Bangkok Reports

Hi
I was in Bangkok recently and saw that they were selling dildos in many places around nana
I thought it was banned in Thailand, or the law has changed ?

BL

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, unless you're looking for a girlfriend then there should not be any problems...
Fuck her, Pay her and Flee.... that's it. No English needed and my thai should be sufficient for this short type of encounters.[/QUOTE]
Love it!

When can we expect a full report on your success?

[QUOTE=Pita123]A red herring or a white elephant?[/QUOTE]

Same same but different!

Hey fellows,

So I'm pretty new to P4P (but been in Asia nearly a decade; I know, what a waste). A few months back in Thailand was my first time. I want to tell that story for newbies' edification and then ask questions to prepare my next trip.

So, a few months back I'm in BKK, being shown around by a friend who lives there. Now this friend pretends he never does P4P, and he never did in front of me, but somehow he knows the go-go bars, supposedly because he "takes friends there". Anyways.

So he explains to me (then a complete newbie) that girls in go-go bars can say yes or no to you. There is a selection process. You have to be nice to them, buy them drinks, talk, and then they decide if they like you and want to go with you or not. He tells me they have the upper hand since many clients want them, they have the choice

This strikes me as odd to say the least, but remember this is my friend, I trust him, and he lives in BKK. So I figure, he must know. So I try this way of "seducing the hooker and getting her approval". But I suck at it. I'm pretty good at getting freebies but I feel totally uninspired at pretending to have a normal conversation with a hooker who can't speak English, in a loud bar, with other costumers and girls watching, etc etc. I just don't see the point. And I hate to buy multiple drinks for the girls – I NEVER buy drinks to normal girls in bars, so why am I doing this for a SW?

So this leads to a lot of awkward, frustrating moments and aborted attempts, with the girl or me losing interest after a while. Whatever chemistry exists through body language and eye contact is killed each time by lame attempt at "where are you from" conversations. Obviously I'm also not in my comfort zone since this is all new to me.

Believe it or not, this lasts for 2 NIGHTS, with me (a late twenties, fit, not bad looking dude who is not bad with women in real life) NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE IN BKK GO-GO BARS. In hindsight, hilarious.

In the middle of the third night, I get really annoyed. I think, "OK this is ridiculous. This isn't supposed to be that hard". I finally ditch my friend and go back, alone, to a bar (one of the Rainbows at Nana upstairs) where I had friended a waitress.

I sit down, waive her, and tell her, picking the cutest girl in the line up without even bothering to make eye contact, "I want number 29. No drinks, no talk, no bullshit. I don't have time right now. Just tell her to get ready and we go. "

In retrospect I was probably too aggressive/edgy (a no-no in Thailand) but I was annoyed at that point. Anyway, no problem. The waitress nods that she understands. The girl comes down the line up, gets ready backstage, comes to pick me up at my table 5 mins later, and off we go.

I don't even think I bought a drink while I was waiting.

So the lesson here for complete newbies, is that doing it short and quick is possible. I adopted the same technique the following few nights. Sit, get ONE drink for myself, pick a girl, and bar fine her immediately. Almost no conversation in the venue.

I'm not saying this is the best way, but it worked for me last time.

I don't care for anal or any particularly perverse activity, so of course that's a caveat. I don't need to agree on anything special beforehand.

All my lays were ST as I was sleeping at a friend's place. I used the Nana ST hotel at 300 baths a session (I had no clue where it was, the girls take you there though, just pretend you've been there 1, 000 times before, it worked for me).

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OK. Now I spent a long time RTFFing, as I'm back to BKK in a week and preparing Questions for experienced members:

1. Is actually talking to the girls and buying them a few drinks in the venue advisable? I saw a few members I respect [Barko among them – dude, I've read all your posts, I'm a fan ] saying that was a good idea; but they didn't explain why. Is this about good will? Agreeing on anal? Getting them drunk? Having a good time? Doing a chemistry check?

2. I've also seen some say that you can book a girl ST and if you are fun and your hotel is nice etc then she'll end up staying LT. Is that advisable/doable? How much do you pay the girl then, end of night? ST+tip? Or LT rate?

3. What if you want the girl to stay with you during the day time (instead of leaving in the morning)? Is this advisable? Any suggestions on rates? (I'm talking Nana go-go girls).

4. I've seen suggested to tip the mamasan/papasan and/or waitress to buy goodwill. I believe this is mostly for MPs. Does it apply to go-gos as well? And how do you tip? Openly or discreetly (palm of the hand thing)?

Any feedback welcome.

[QUOTE=Redfield10]You are probably joking, but they weren't girls!

It's 100% ladyboy bar![/QUOTE]


Sorry, I was wrong, place was Carousel and not Cascade.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wanna Meet Thai Students? read this board where a lot of girls are offering fun times... Of course, they have to be 18+

it's in thai, but Google Chrome Translates the whole page for you ;)

Have fun

[url]http://sidelinehot.com/index.php/board,7.0.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link. I am going to try it out. I have always wondered how to meet Thai girls online other than Thai Love Links which I never had success with. Anyone else have links to meet Thai girls online in Bangkok?

spider and i met up at dollhouse in search of the illusive #8. spider had mentioned her to me a couple of nights ago, and we looked for her then, but she had already been snapped up. i think stickman's mention of her number made her girl #1 in all of soi cowboy, so good luck finding this mythical beauty. personally, i don't believe in following such recommendations, as beauty is most definitely in the eye of the beholder. and i find that my sense of beauty is decidedly more voluptuous than many of the mongers that frequent bkk. nonetheless, we decided to crash the soi earlier than we usually do, arriving at 8pm. to my surprise, they had a happy hour at dollhouse: 69b draft beers, 69b singha and tiger (but not heineken). and some other drinks too were priced at 69b, and the happy hour lasts until 9:30, i believe.

i sat downstairs for two shifts, looking for the fabled #8 or someone else decent. finding neither, i ascended the legally-dubious staircase to the balcony lounge. i sat at a table with a thick-legged girl jiggling her meager offerings above me. i inspected her legs for a moment, finding no real attraction. her calves were enmeated (i just made that word up) enough for me, but they were shaped all wrong. the ankle was almost as thick as the calf, giving a kind of cylindrical shape to her legs – not appealing at all. her thighs were heavier than a thai girl can justify, belying her preference for kfc and mcnitrates than khaw pad or anything else traditional. but her ass was commensurate to her thighs, so at least she was proportionately thick. i then looked down at her feet, and all i could see were toes poking out of cheap strap-shoes like a star of david in all directions. ah yes, the stereotypical farm girl dancing tables in a seedy bangkok bar.

spider arrived, saving me from my solitary misery, and instead we engaged in dual misery. we sat there like grumpy old me bitching about the lack of talent in this joint. my toothy, gluteally-magnified girl from the period debacle a couple of nights earlier (read about it here: [post]1070861[/post) comes out and squeamishly giggles at me. she really is a delight to look at and to talk to, i wish i had been able to tap her, but you take the punches life sends your way.

she is giggling and squirming uncomfortably in front of me, very aware of the awkwardness this situation presents. she is butt nekkid, and she climbs onto our table and starts to display her wears. my eyes were fixated squarely on her pussy...where's the blood girlfriend? i got screwed (and not in the nice way) the other night because of your event...could i see some lingering evidence of that please? and she was terribly aware of where my eyes were and why they were there. so i think for show, she jumps off the table and runs into the bathroom, feigning period problems. she returned 60 seconds later all better. there, see? evidence of a period. ok, faces saved all around, move along people, there is nothing to see here.

spider and i complained the whole time. we saw a girl who was pretty cute: nice face, nice ass, nice legs, nice small waist, all good, until she turned around. ooooh, she had a terrible, obvious boob job. why do girls do this to themselves? if you are going to insert globs of chemicals into your body, you'd better be sure the outcome is top notch. although perhaps some guys like this obviously-enhanced look? that was the closest to bar-finable that we found in dollhouse that night, sadly.

next, we went to shark, which was predictably full. we squeezed into a small spot in the front row and began our inexorable scrutiny of the mass of yellow-clad neon-drenched lovelies. we sat through two shifts, and the two girls we both agreed were super hot were #90 and #2. the former had long, dark, straight hair with a face suggestive of american indian nobility. i mean, her features were not quite typical thai – she must have been a mongrel of some sort. i say that as a proud mongrel myself, so no one take offense please. she was tall, statuesque, and seemed very elegant. she looked our way a couple of times, and i was getting a vibe, but spider was convinced that was delusions of grandeur on my part.

#2 was similarly tall and elegant, with slightly more slender legs, and brown frilly hair cascading down her face. she had large, large eyes which reminded me of bambi (the deer). but sadly for us, she was not interested in humanity at this point. she was standing in the corner of the stage alone, with a 3-foot buffer zone space all around her. all the other girls were crammed together into a mass of femininity, jostling for elbow room, being nudged all the way to the edge of the stage, and here was this girl, who had somehow eked out some space for herself which the other girls were unwilling to violate. so given her total disinterest, neither of us were willing to spring for a ld.

one other note of interest: we spied the most interesting ass in the history of the thai people. i do believe this ass is unique in all thai genetics. if thailand had one, this ass would be enshrined in the equivalent of the smithsonian institute. i mean, it was remarkable.

her number is 8, if i recall correctly (not the #8 from dollhouse). she was perhaps 5'2” tall, with a slender upper body, slightly stout (although not terribly so) legs, a nondescript face, and this monster on her backside that just defied the boundaries of human assdom. now fella's, i like a nice, round ass, you all know that, right? i've waxed poetic many a times about the pleasure of some ass flesh, so there is no doubt as to my lifetime platinum membership in the quadruple a: ass adoration association of america. and so when a large ass comes along, i am the *first* to stand up and applaud. bravo! encore!

but this ass was just too much – it offended the sensibilities, really. spider, how do i describe it? well, imagine her upper body– straight and narrow, tapering for the waist, and then opening up into a wide set of hips. so imagine the width of the hips, as if you are looking at the hips face-on, at their widest angle. imagine pulling out a measuring tape and measuring the width of the hips at their widest point. remember that width, ok? now imagine a 3d rotation through space, where you turn the girl 90 degrees to get her profile. now you take the tape measure and measure the width of her profile around the ass at its widest point, and you find that this width (of her profile around the ass) easily exceeded the width of her hips in the frontal angle. that's not natural, right?

furthermore, the cheeks themselves were monumentally round and meaty. i really mean monumentally because they were like a monument built for ass worshippers. the glutes extended outwards from the small of her back at an angle that denied all principles of physics. i imagined dropping a marble down her back, falling down the length of her spine, and as it takes the curve of the ass, it would shoot off exactly parallel to the ground. so flat and expansive was the top of the ass that you could set up a whole tea set on the ass, like a table-top, sit down and have 4pm tea with cucumber sandwiches off the top of that ass. oh jolly good, these crumpets, wot? this kind of angle is not supposed to occur in nature! so the ass then takes its parabolic curve back to the upper leg, and upon meeting the upper leg, there was a perfect ass-cheek crease. the result was that the ass was like two packets of hard gelatin compressed and compacted onto her back, just sticking out there and mocking the rest of the world, defying everyone to provide a physical explanation for its existence. meaty is the word that comes to mind.

spider and i sat there chuckling for a few minutes and shaking our heads at the hilarity of the ass. we were convinced that this was an ass-implant job gone terribly wrong. or right, depending on your perspective. so, for the perverted ass lover out there, make a beeline for shark.

next we peeked into midnite, recoiling instantly and backtracking asap, and were then accosted by a double-facial-stud girl trying to convince us to enter cowboy 2. we passed, and went into sheeba. never been in there before. there were 5-6 girls on stage, fully nude. the lighting was not terribly good – far too much red, and so you could not see a damned thing on the girls. stretch marks were invisible, scars were nothing, and all the curves were made to look good. there was one girl who had a cute face, large titties and nice legs dancing near me giving me the come-hither smile. sadly, i never went thither. spider was working his attention on a skinny, glasses-clad girl who was looking the other way the whole time, thereby showing us what would turn out to be her good side. so we patiently sipped our beers, watching for the shift-change.

before that happened, i saw this guy sitting at the stage. he had close cropped hair, perhaps in his mid-40s, and looked like he was hopped up on some kind of stimulant – he had sunken, dark eyes, and that twitchy way about him, reminding me of harry rednapp. he calls over the girl who had been smiling at me and says “hello”, she reciprocates. he says “i'll buy you a drink if you let me lick your pussy.” she says “aaaah?” so he stands up so he can be heard better, he raises his voice so the whole bar can hear better, and repeats himself, this time with hand gestures, so the deaf-mutes can follow along. after all, this important message must not be missed by anyone.

...*i* (points to self)...will buy *you* (points to her tits)... a *drink* (points to his beer)...if *you* (points to her tits) let *me* (points to self's mouth)...*lick* (flits his tongue out and all over his mouth, leaving a visible droplet of drool in the middle of his lower lip)....your *puuuussssssyyyyyyyy* (pointing you know where).

her expression does not change one bit. she looks at him as if to say “really? that's the best you got?” and then she turns to her friend and says something, and never looks at him again. this is the kind of bone-headed, dumb-ass, ethnically degrading behavior that white guys in their 40s should be appalled at. that girl who was treated like a piece of meaningless shit by this guy will now look at the next white guy in his 40s as a crude, drunken, offensive butt sponge. you may not like the fact that she generalizes this behavior to the entire group, but that's human nature. that's what we do – fear of the american black man; all arabs are terrorists; all indians stink; all korean men beat their women; all chinese have stale bo; all germans like leather and children. etc. this twitchy twat-alot guy just created the stereotype of 'all falang men are crude, cheap, smelly and high on yaabaa.' how many japanese guys do you see behaving like that? it's just basic respect, that's all.

at this point, spider's skinny girl turns around to reveal a rather leathery, hideous face. spider physically recoils, and i hear a sad “oh” come from his mouth.

shift change!!!

but oh my god the girls that came on stage were downright grotesque. i don't mean to be mean, but they really had no business being naked. ever. spider said something to the effect of 'the nerve of these people, putting these girls on stage in front of us.” it was downright shameful.

so we bailed and called it a night. i went back to my lovely in the hotel room, only to be put through the ringer with thai gf dramatics - next report.

[QUOTE=Chill Out]1. Is actually talking to the girls and buying them a few drinks in the venue advisable? I saw a few members I respect [Barko among them – dude, I've read all your posts, I'm a fan ] saying that was a good idea; but they didn't explain why. Is this about good will? Agreeing on anal? Getting them drunk? Having a good time? Doing a chemistry check?

2. I've also seen some say that you can book a girl ST and if you are fun and your hotel is nice etc then she'll end up staying LT. Is that advisable/doable? How much do you pay the girl then, end of night? ST+tip? Or LT rate?

3. What if you want the girl to stay with you during the day time (instead of leaving in the morning)? Is this advisable? Any suggestions on rates? (I'm talking Nana go-go girls).

4. I've seen suggested to tip the mamasan/papasan and/or waitress to buy goodwill. I believe this is mostly for MPs. Does it apply to go-gos as well? And how do you tip? Openly or discreetly (palm of the hand thing)?

Any feedback welcome.[/QUOTE]Chill Out, I couldn't help smile as I read your post as it somehow reminds me of myself when I first started out. I'm by no means as experienced a monger as others on the forum, and I certainly don't post much. But for whatever reason I thought I would give you my 5 cents on your questions:

1. As you've noticed, the language barrier doesn't exactly allow for great conversation. In the western sense at least. But have her sit with you for awhile anyway, not for you to "seduce" her, but the other way around. Mostly, but not always, it's an indicator of things to come. I'm not necessarily talking about hardcore touching/making out here, but it gives you an idea anyway. Also, if personality matters to you (it does to me. I prefer girls who are not too hardened by the scene), it gives you a chance to get a feel for who she is. And yes, to see if there's chemistry.

2. I usually pay 1500 for short time and 2000-2500 for long time in BKK. If she wants to stay the night without you requesting it. Hmm, well if you like her, give her a little extra in the morning. But there are no fixed rules.

3. The few times I've had a girl stay with me in the daytime, all I paid was food, massage or whatever we did outside the hotel. Again, there are no fixed rules. One tip though. Get as many phone no's as possible (but do it discreetly if you're in a gogo, otherwise the girl can get in serious trouble with the management!) It can save you many a barfine and provide you with excellent entertainment in the afternoons.

4. Money is king, but I don't think I ever tipped the mama-san. Perhaps I bought her a drink once or twice but that's it. It depends what your objective is I guess. I noticed that ISG's own excellent writer and humanist (I mean that in the very best way!) Kumbu mentioned tipping the papa-san for better seats when there supposedly were none to be had. And got them because of the tip. So if she/he is doing you a favor then tip or buy her a drink. But calling girl #85 to come sit with you isn't really a favor in my book. It's her job.

Lastly, a few things that have made my own Thailand experiences so much more enjoyable: be nice, be fun, smile, give compliments, don't be a sucker (it's perfectly ok to refuse someone a drink, just as well as it's perfectly ok for them to ask you), dress nicely, be clean, shave, learn a few frases in Thai and use them, then learn more and use those too. I've encountered a lot of opinions on whether or not it is advisable to speak Thai in mongering situations, and some seem to think that it will make the girls avoid you since you "know too much", I. E. You're not a sucker. Well, maybe those girls were best avoided anyway. All I can say is that my own feeble attempts to speak the language have many times put me in a better position, either because people thought I lived in Thailand (and my Thai is VERY basic) and sort of knew my way around things, or simply because they thought that it was a nice thing on my part to try and learn a little bit of their language.

Enjoy your trip! I myself will be back in LOS this Friday. I can't wait!

[QUOTE=Chill Out]Hey fellows,

[/QUOTE]


OK. Now I spent a long time RTFFing, as I'm back to BKK in a week and preparing Questions for experienced members:

1. Is actually talking to the girls and buying them a few drinks in the venue advisable? I saw a few members I respect [Barko among them – dude, I've read all your posts, I'm a fan ] saying that was a good idea; but they didn't explain why. Is this about good will? Agreeing on anal? Getting them drunk? Having a good time? Doing a chemistry check?


I think you need to find the middle ground between your friends advice and your point and shoot method. I think it is a good idea to buy the girl a LD. It gives you time to see if there is any chemistry, and to see what sort of attitude she has, it also makes the girl feel a little more kindly towards you, and hopefully ensuring a better performance back at the hotel. You could also offer to buy her some food from a street vendor, or stop at 7-11 to get something to drink, on the way back to the hotel. Treat the girls with respect and a little kindness and generally you will reap the rewards, don't go overboard but 50 baht for some food or a beer can go a long way. Look at this way, if you are too nice (a la your friends advice), the girls will think you are a pushover and try to get over on you, perhaps by asking an outrageous price, etc. If you just point and shoot w/o saying a word, the girl will probably not be kindly predisposed to you, not that she won't go with you, but don't expect anything special from her. Put yourself in her situation, no one likes being treated like a piece of meat, even if they are WG's.


2. I've also seen some say that you can book a girl ST and if you are fun and your hotel is nice etc then she'll end up staying LT. Is that advisable/doable? How much do you pay the girl then, end of night? ST+tip? Or LT rate?


If you think you might want to convert a ST to a LT with a girl, then try to do this before you leave the bar. Find out what her rates for both are and let her know that if you like her you may want her to stay LT instead of ST. You may need to get the Mamasan involved if her Engrish is not all that good, and then tipping the Mama, a little, is not a bad thing. If you are not sure what you are going to do then at least find out what she charges for both ST and LT, because if she ends up staying LT, then she will expect her LT rate. In the event you do go LT you may also want to talk about what time she will want to leave in the morning.

3. What if you want the girl to stay with you during the day time (instead of leaving in the morning)? Is this advisable? Any suggestions on rates? (I'm talking Nana go-go girls).


This is a tough question, it varies from girl to girl. I have had some ladies ready to leave quite early (they had to get back to their Thai BF's, I guess) , after a morning session, and some ladies stay quite late into the afternoon until they had to get ready to go to work and want nothing more than what we had agreed upon. Some girls may want extra to stay with you in the afternoon and some may not. As long as I have had my morning session, I really don't care when they leave. I will say though that I kind of like the girls who stay late as I generally get an early morning session, and/or a late morning, early afternoon session. If you want a girl to stay with you and not go to work that night, then you are going to have to pay her barfine and depending on how long you want her to stay then either ST or LT.

4. I've seen suggested to tip the mamasan/papasan and/or waitress to buy goodwill. I believe this is mostly for MPs. Does it apply to go-gos as well? And how do you tip? Openly or discreetly (palm of the hand thing)?


If you are a regular in the bar or if the Mamasan helps you out then I think tipping them a little bit is ok. Otherwise, I don't generally tip them.

Any feedback welcome.
Disclaimer: These answers are only my humble opinions and what works for me might not work for others. Treat the ladies with respect and kindness and it will pay dividends, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Booey]Disclaimer: These answers are only my humble opinions and what works for me might not work for others. Treat the ladies with respect and kindness and it will pay dividends, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Damn Booey, you were quicker than me. Funny how similar our answers/opinions are. Like-minded individuals I guess.

dear dhardesh,
your very informative post below is exactly what i have been looking for in here. for a first timer to thailand/bkk, this is the most informative post about the bkk scene i have read in here. thank you so much. looks like we would be in bkk at the same time as i arrive at the end of october. would love to meet with you or any other regular/expert in the bkk/thai scene to go have some fun together.

thanks again for the very informative post and keep'em coming brother.

cheers.


[quote=dhardesh]hi corne,

i am not a writer. actually far from it. just a simple guy that like to pay back to this forum by contributing some information about my adventures in the land of smiles. the best tip i could give you is: rtff.

but a more general set of tips would be:

determine for yourself what kind a needs you have. do you want to experience scantily clad girls gyrating on your lap and begging you for a ladydrink with the possible option for banging your brains out in either a short time or long time adventure? then visit nep or soi cowboy.

nep can be found on soi 4. take the skytrain (bts) to nana and get off on the even side. you should see the landmark hotel on your left hand side. pass this and walk into the first side street on your left. side streets of large roads are called soi. large roads are called thanon. so thanon sukhumvit, soi 4 would mean the fourth side street of the main road sukhumvit. after about 100 meters you will see a lot of different lights and open bars on your left hand side. this is nana entertainment plaza. enter it and you will see that it consist of three levels of pure erotic pleasure. on the ground level are open bars and some go go's. take the escalator (or the stairs in the back) to the first floor and you will see a lot of bars.

be careful not to step inside the wrong bar, since there are some ladyboy bars as well (casanova, cascade, obsession and temptations). ladyboys are also called katoey. check out the forum for how to spot a ladyboy (taller, nicer breasts, smaller hips, bigger hands, bigger shoulders, adams apple, stronger jawlines, deeper voice, more aggressive). unless you want to do something with lb's, of course.

there are quite a number of regular go go bars in nep that have nice looking girls and some fascinating shows. rainbow iv and angelwitch were/are good locations to visit. but be sure not to come across as a first timer. because first timers are shark bait! you will be hassled into buying a lot of ladydrinks and the girls will be all over you(r money). in the go go bars, girls will be dancing on the stages and at certain points during the evening special shows will be performed. this can be anything from lesbian shows, p*ssy acrobatics (anything that can be imagined will be stuffed into and pulled out of the tunnel most of us came out of) to body painting. go go bars work in dance shifts. girls that are not dancing are either walking around and try to entertain/hassle customers. or are just staying together and chitchat or eat food. if you do not want to talk to a girl or give her a ladydrink, just say no (or mai auw in thai). if they insist, then just repeat it again more firmly, but always keep on smiling. never appear to be upset or rude, because thai people do not like to lose face. and getting upset means to lose face. if you cannot help it and cannot control yourself anymore. then just pay up your bill and leave. but always check that you did not pay more than needed and check your change.

if you do find someone you like. then look at her directly and see if she smiles at you too. if no smile comes from the recipient side, then don't bother. the possibility of a starfish adventure are high then. you can ask the girl directly to sit with you or you can ask a waitress or the mamasan to call her over. just remember her number and refer to that when calling her over. once you have the girl next to you (or all over you.), you can buy her a ladydrink and chit chat a little bit. during the chit chat you will discover if her communication skills are good enough for you or not. most thai bargirls have limited english skills. a typical conversation would go like:

bg: sawasdee ka, me like you.

you: i like you, too. where are you from?

bg: isaan (a province in the north east of thailand)

you: what is your name?

bg: lek, poo, kung or apple (fill in your own short name)

you: how old are you?

bg: me 21 year. you?

you:. (fill in anything you want, as they do not care about your age anyway).

after this most girls are out of english skills and the extra words they know are short time 2000 baht, and long time 3000 baht (or higher depending on how money eager they are). always negotiate and start with a lesser amount than what they ask. bargaining is part of the whole p4p. ask her for the services she offers for this amount and how many times you are allowed to come. sometimes they refer to smoking as giving a bj. so if being asked if you like smoking, then point at your member and say yes! when the negotiation has ended, pay the bill + the bar fine and leave with the girl to the place you want to go. you can either go back to your hotel (if it is girl friendly) or go to a short time hotel. the bg should know where these are.

if you happen to get caught by a gold digger, then don't be surprised if she wants to eat first, go hang out with some of her friends in expensive places and get some clothing or other body ornaments. of course you are the one that has to pay for all of this. be a man and smile and tell her that you will have none of that and that you already have many girlfriends (giks) that you need to support like that. if she wants anything she has to earn it first with exceptional services. short time hotels are normally around 300 baht per hour.

you can also check out soi cowboy (side street of soi 23 on thanon sukhumvit. take the bts to asoke and walk towards the grand millenium hotel. the entry should be on your right side. you can use the mrt station to cross the road.) in soi cowboy you can visit a lot of bars that have different kinds of activities. if interested in dancers without any underwear than visit baccara. if interested in a bj on the spot, than go to afterskool. if interested in good shows then go to suzi wong.

if you are into bj's then visit either [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s (soi 8, thanon sukhumvit near bts nana) and get your rocks of for 700 baht, or visit star or light in patpong. or go to the kangaroo bar in patpong. some go go bars in soi cowboy also offer bj's but that can be a touch and go.

if the whole go go scene is not your thing, then you can check out the freelancers in a couple of places. beergarden on sukhumvit soi 7, gulliver's on sukhumvit soi 5. just check out the site from wickedtraveler for a quick overview of the different things to do.

another pleasure to indulge into are massages/soapies/oilies. check out the forum for which places to go to. again, which place to go to depends upon your desires. if you want a real masssage, then go to shops that have a sign that says traditional massage. anything with the term body massage in it, is likely to offer more than just a massage. i personally like to go to annie's as i like to order two girls to give me a full service checkup with multiple pops and lots of daty. but i also enjoy going to aviva. there are so many massage places that it is simply too hard to give a short overview of these. just rtff.

if you are into trio's or more with girls that provide three hole services, then you can also check out eden. eden is located on sukhumvit soi 7/1 close to bts nana. you can pick two or more girls and get your pornstar fantasy fulfilled there. just remember that there is a line that separates the a+ girls from the none a+ girls. if you are only interested in three hole adventures with one girl. then check out tulip massage or mango massage. these massage shops are the best nowadays into providing this kind of service.

another tip i can give you is to hook up with fellow mongers and have a good time together. i will be in bkk beginning of november. so maybe i will see you there.

happy mongering,

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[QUOTE=Kumbu]How many Japanese guys do you see behaving like that? It's just basic respect, that's all.

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Japanese men are well liked because they outspend all others by a mile. They are very polite in public (there are times they can't hold their alcohol and are embarrasing), but in the bedroom they are different. They cum fast, barely penetrate the the girls and tip big. It's no wonder why working girls love them.

If you think that some obscene white guy in a bar will ruin your reputation, think again. Your reputation as a "cheap" white guy has been well established long ago, and that's pretty much the only thing that matters. If you want to change that than start paying top dollar for all short times, never negotiate, and start tipping big. This is what Japanese do and they are everywhere in Nana and Cowboy these days!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Japanese men are well liked because they outspend all others by a mile. They are very polite in public (there are times they can't hold their alcohol and are embarrasing), but in the bedroom they are different. They cum fast, barely penetrate the the girls and tip big. It's no wonder why working girls love them... If you want to change that than start paying top dollar for all short times, never negotiate, and start tipping big. This is what Japanese do and they are everywhere in Nana and Cowboy these days![/QUOTE]I very much agree with the assessment about why Japanese guys are preferred. In fact, you scooped me on this point - I am preparing a post in which I make a slightly different argument, but much in the same vein. Nonetheless, I think this idea that it is 100% about money is wrong - nothing is absolute in this way (except maybe this last statement? :) ). I said so a week or so ago in which I made the point about 100% of the girls are in it for the money, but each girl is not in it 100% for the money. Here is a link to that post:
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Well, if it is true that Japanese men tend to come faster (I have no idea if it is true or not), then it's not just the money. The girls will work way less than they would with a white guy. Japanese/Asian dicks also tend to be smaller, therefore less wear and tear for the girls even if the guy lasts long. And then they get paid more, so what's not to like?

I also imagine that due to their culture, Japanese guys are probably easier for the girls to control in the bedroom ie they will be less pushy etc. Which also makes it safer/easier for the girl.

A thai man or an expat, who knows well the sex scene of Bangkok, wants to spend 100 euros on a short time quality ( especially in terms of beauty) fucking. The question is where will he go for mongering.

In other words what are the choices of the locals? Will they go to massage parlours (e.g. La Defence, La Belle), to go-go bars (e.g. Rainbow 1), to freelancer spots (e.g. Gullivers, Thermae), to afterhours nightclubs (e.g. Q-bar, Spicey), to one of the numerous karaoke clubs that can be seen in almost every block of the capital, to small member clubs?

Is there any hidden secret about finding the beauties?