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This argument that "CPI hasn't spiked up 100%, so why should the room price go up this much" has its puts and takes. The sudden one time increase is jarring for many. But is it 100%? For one hour, price went up by 50%. For a two hour session, if you can negotiate well, the % hike can be even less. And for a dude who takes a lot of extras, the hike is again not necessarily 100% but much less. The largest hike is in the basic 30 min unit. For a sex tourist who takes 2 to 4 sessions daily, a mix of 30 M and hour long and a few stretching more than one hour and with a couple of extras thrown in, over 3 to 6 days the total amount you pay will not 100% higher, probably not even 50% higher. Do your own math and compare it to what you paid in the past.

American mongers have an extra dose of luck due to dollar appreciation. In 2008, Euro spiked to nearly 1. 6 USd. An hour would have been 160 USD in those days. Now, it is approximately the same amount. For a brief time in 2022, euro was even below parity.

Then too, the 50 E price has been in place for a long time. Certainly overall inflation was not zero and services inflation was not zero. Even 2% inflation over a decade comes to 22% compounded and almost 50% over 20 years. And inflation was higher in Romania where most of these girls come from.

In the last year, inflation was double digits in many EU countries and even mid teens in some E EU countries. Including the last 15 months, it is not a challenge to see 50% price hike over a decade for many goods and services. The difference is that they went up gradually over time and more sharply in the last 15 months. WGs got their pay rise all at once.

It is silly to debate the price of a specific good or service in relation to inflation. Inflation is averaged over a basket. For any specific product and service, the market makes the prices, and this "why so much more than inflation" argument doesn't get anywhere. Due to a combination of factors, starting with the helping hand provided by local law changes in 2017, more recently the pandemic, a shortage of girls or change in their attitude or what have you, the price dynamic shifted in their favor. It is what it is.

I am of the view that tourists shouldn't screw up the pricing for locals. But if the locals are paying what they are paying, these arguments are moot.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2805619]This argument that "CPI hasn't spiked up 100%, so why should the room price go up this much" has its puts and takes. The sudden one time increase is jarring for many. But is it 100%? For one hour, price went up by 50%. For a two hour session, if you can negotiate well, the % hike can be even less. And for a dude who takes a lot of extras, the hike is again not necessarily 100% but much less. The largest hike is in the basic 30 min unit. For a sex tourist who takes 2 to 4 sessions daily, a mix of 30 M and hour long and a few stretching more than one hour and with a couple of extras thrown in, over 3 to 6 days the total amount you pay will not 100% higher, probably not even 50% higher. Do your own math and compare it to what you paid in the past.

American mongers have an extra dose of luck due to dollar appreciation. In 2008, Euro spiked to nearly 1. 6 USd. An hour would have been 160 USD in those days. Now, it is approximately the same amount. For a brief time in 2022, euro was even below parity.

Then too, the 50 E price has been in place for a long time. Certainly overall inflation was not zero and services inflation was not zero. Even 2% inflation over a decade comes to 22% compounded and almost 50% over 20 years. And inflation was higher in Romania where most of these girls come from.

In the last year, inflation was double digits in many EU countries and even mid teens in some E EU countries. Including the last 15 months, it is not a challenge to see 50% price hike over a decade for many goods and services. The difference is that they went up gradually over time and more sharply in the last 15 months. WGs got their pay rise all at once.

It is silly to debate the price of a specific good or service in relation to inflation. Inflation is averaged over a basket. For any specific product and service, the market makes the prices, and this "why so much more than inflation" argument doesn't get anywhere. Due to a combination of factors, starting with the helping hand provided by local law changes in 2017, more recently the pandemic, a shortage of girls or change in their attitude or what have you, the price dynamic shifted in their favor. It is what it is.

I am of the view that tourists shouldn't screw up the pricing for locals. But if the locals are paying what they are paying, these arguments are moot.[/QUOTE]But fact in Germany or even in more rich than in US, Zurich, is falling business in clubs, at Sharks, Globe. Why? Because many locals can t pay anymore increased rates. At Globe, also because falling quality with many Bundesliga 2 looks.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2806253]But fact in Germany or even in more rich than in US, Zurich, is falling business in clubs, at Sharks, Globe. Why? Because many locals can t pay anymore increased rates. At Globe, also because falling quality with many Bundesliga 2 looks.[/QUOTE]Yes, that was to be expected. It would have been a surprise if there was no demand response to a large sudden change in pricing. It will take a while to settle into a new equilibrium. In the meanwhile we can expect to see all types of reactions. Demand flow to lower prices clubs, fewer number of gents at the clubs or fewer rooms per gent, girls cheating on their cartel and giving discrete discounts, perhaps more girls over time and so on.

Whatever it is, markets will settle this issue. I don't think it is fully settled yet but I could be wrong on that too.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2805619]This argument that "CPI hasn't spiked up 100%, so why should the room price go up this much" has its puts and takes. The sudden one time increase is jarring for many. But is it 100%? For one hour, price went up by 50%. For a two hour session, if you can negotiate well, the % hike can be even less. And for a dude who takes a lot of extras, the hike is again not necessarily 100% but much less. The largest hike is in the basic 30 min unit. For a sex tourist who takes 2 to 4 sessions daily, a mix of 30 M and hour long and a few stretching more than one hour and with a couple of extras thrown in, over 3 to 6 days the total amount you pay will not 100% higher, probably not even 50% higher. Do your own math and compare it to what you paid in the past.

American mongers have an extra dose of luck due to dollar appreciation. In 2008, Euro spiked to nearly 1. 6 USd. An hour would have been 160 USD in those days. Now, it is approximately the same amount. For a brief time in 2022, euro was even below parity..[/QUOTE]This is woefully incorrect especially this bit "Even 2% inflation over a decade comes to 22% compounded and almost 50% over 20 years. And inflation was higher in Romania where most of these girls come from". You are assuming inflation all of the way through no deflation. Look at that graphics.

Lotka at back the in1960, how much has increased since 196 o. Germany is not south America or Africa.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2806384]This is woefully incorrect especially this bit "Even 2% inflation over a decade comes to 22% compounded and almost 50% over 20 years. And inflation was higher in Romania where most of these girls come from". You are assuming inflation all of the way through no deflation. Look at that graphics.

Lotka at back the in1960, how much has increased since 196 o. Germany is not south America or Africa.[/QUOTE]I did not say inflation was consistently 2% IN Germany. Read again. That was a hypothetical example that an annual CPI of 2% leads to 50% hike over 20 years. And most European countries did have 2% or more inflation for multiple years till 2013/14. It is only since the Greece / Euro crisis that their CPi collapsed, but even among them Germany stands out. US, UK, Spain etc did average 2% ish over a long time and as I said Romania did too, and that is where many girls come from. On the demand side, mongers come from all over the world. Over the decade+ I attended the clubs, my club costs became cheaper relative to the rise in my own economic situation, as until 2019 prices were more or less unch but my comp became better and I think that's true for many mongers as well.

And comparing own wage hikes to girls is not sensible. More than 2 decades ago as a new EE grad, I made 80 K. Now, so many freshly minted EECS grads are starting nearer to 150 K in the Valley. But my current comp is several times what I made as a new grad due to promotions, raises and so on. But a WG never gets a promotion or raise, does she? In fact with age she is in less demand.

But I read here again and again "last year my salary didn't go up x percent but the girls are charging so much more suddenly" - first, their situation is unique, and they didn't get a raise for decades. I doubt even in Germany, most workers are making the same as what they made 20 years ago.

Apart from the nitpick about the German deflation in the 2013-20 period, what else do you have since you said "woefully incorrect" about my entire comment?

In 20 years in the US, university education and Healthcare costs went up way more than 100%, electronics products are down 50% or worse, and various other goods and services are in between. Some up and some down, by varying amounts. Each has its own supply demand dynamic. Very few goods exactly track the CPI curve. My central point is that bringing up CPI in the context of paid sex in Germany that was at flat prices for 20 years is a useless comparison. It only serves to make self miserable. Apparently the locals decided to pay up, and tourists just have to follow what they do.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2806317]Yes, that was to be expected. It would have been a surprise if there was no demand response to a large sudden change in pricing. It will take a while to settle into a new equilibrium. In the meanwhile we can expect to see all types of reactions. Demand flow to lower prices clubs, fewer number of gents at the clubs or fewer rooms per gent, girls cheating on their cartel and giving discrete discounts, perhaps more girls over time and so on.

Whatever it is, markets will settle this issue. I don't think it is fully settled yet but I could be wrong on that too.[/QUOTE]At Sharks, some girls lowered their rate when they asked 150/30 or 200/250/60 , but now they have to hunt for 100/30 or 150/60 , a German coming to ask me. At Oase, I was quite surprised to get without needing to play grocer 100/30 with french kissing when not always at Sharks, even 80/30 with new cute small Turkish. On my visits on March saturdays, Sharks business was slow in afternoon until 7 pm. At Oase, no crowd except when party. On the other hand, when she is available for 65/30 , I know one who is busy with long time bookings. Just matter of arithmetics but girls and pimps didn t learn at school. Higher rate, falling business for most girls. Only good point is higher rate attract few pretty girls when 150/200/60 is same than escorting in Germany and I find prettier girls in Germany than at Globe for 300/60 . I saw at Freubad on Sunday evening after great day in Verbier Monts Gelé and Fort, interesting looks, when HH 199/60 with foods and drinks.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2806384]This is woefully incorrect especially this bit "Even 2% inflation over a decade comes to 22% compounded and almost 50% over 20 years. And inflation was higher in Romania where most of these girls come from". You are assuming inflation all of the way through no deflation. Look at that graphics.

Lotk back in the 1960, how much has increased since 1960. Germany is not south America or Africa.[/QUOTE]

And another thing I would like to add here is that, although mongers, FKKs, Brothels, might not be included in the basket in the calculation of an inflation for a country, but many things in mongers, FKKs, Brothels, are embedded in the economy of a nation. Think about the unemployment rate how many people are working inn FKK? Let alone if referred to Germany in which prostitution is legal and any money earned is taxable. The FKK seasonal visitors have impact on tourism, hospitality industry.

Certainly, the main impact of inflation on mongering is the income of the seasonal FKKs visitors which in turn will also impact on FKKs as the visitors is one of the main stakeholder in this business. The income of seasonal visitor is just increasing by less than 10% while the cost if mongering has increased by more than 100%+ if the other costs such as travelling, Accommodation, transportation, food are included. This will impact on their discretionary spending on mongering whihc in turn will impact on FKK and the girls. Keep in mind for many people mongering is not considered as a primary needs such as food, shelter, health and security etc.

FKKs business in Germany is not an isolated economy, so by the end of the day it will comply with the law of supply and demand. We have seen reasonable numbers of report that the girls are complaining about lack of customers, Mongers decide to do less rooms as they used to be and some even have decided to stop visiting FKKs.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2806253]But fact in Germany or even in more rich than in US, Zurich, is falling business in clubs, at Sharks, Globe. Why? Because many locals can t pay anymore increased rates. At Globe, also because falling quality with many Bundesliga 2 looks.[/QUOTE]

Well,I do not think, this is not true that DE is richer than the US.
From Both Average Income per capita and GDP / capita tell a different story. DE however has a better welfare, social security system.

Income per capita:
[URL]https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php[/URL]

7 United States 70,930 $ 5,911 $.

18 Germany 51,660 $ 4,305 $.

GDP / capita:
[URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?name_desc=false[/URL]

United States 2021 70,248. 6.

Germany 2021 51,203. 6.

Also keep in mind tax in DE is higher than the US. So from punting POV the German blokes have less money due to less disposable income and get hammered again by the tax. Also keep in mind the prostitution is illegal in the US which is contributing to the higher cost of mongering in the US which are already high among other nations.
I have not researched it well but for the mongers from the US, is it not better now to punt in Argentina, Columbia, Brazil, Mexico for instance rather than travelling furtherr away to Germany, spending accommodation, transportation and time only to find the price is not that significantly different with the US.

Lots of mental gymnastics to justify getting priced gouged. Somehow this person justifies middle aged and old men in Germany getting taken to the cleaners by uneducated 20 year olds girls by referencing healthcare costs in the United States or the average salary of a nerd in Silicon Valley thousands of miles away.

A little more of a relevant metric is the average income trends in Germany since, well, we're looking at a German FKK where 90% of the customers are German. Average wage in Germany increased 16% from 2002 to 2021. Same for neighboring France. Even less in neighboring Netherlands.

[URL]https://stats.oecd.org/viewhtml.aspx?datasetcode=AV_AN_WAGE&lang=en[/URL]

Fact is that the wage of the average FKK visitor has been significantly outpaced by the cost of a basket-of-goods in the region, thus the average purchasing power is significantly less. But here comes along an argument that cites completely irrelevant anecdotes. It's a clear example of faulty reasoning due to only considering personal situations and perspectives rather than having the ability to step back and consider the realities from another human's perspective. In this case, other humans being the over 90% of the relevant demographic.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2806493]I did not say inflation was consistently 2% IN Germany. Read again. That was a hypothetical example that an annual CPI of 2% leads to 50% hike over 20 years. And most European countries did have 2% or more inflation for multiple years till 2013/14. It is only since the Greece / Euro crisis that their CPi collapsed, but even among them Germany stands out. US, UK, Spain etc did average 2% ish over a long time and as I said Romania did too, and that is where many girls come from. On the demand side, mongers come from all over the world. Over the decade+ I attended the clubs, my club costs became cheaper relative to the rise in my own economic situation, as until 2019 prices were more or less unch but my comp became better and I think that's true for many mongers as well.

And comparing own wage hikes to girls is not sensible. More than 2 decades ago as a new EE grad, I made 80 K. Now, so many freshly minted EECS grads are starting nearer to 150 K in the Valley. But my current comp is several times what I made as a new grad due to promotions, raises and so on. But a WG never gets a promotion or raise, does she? In fact with age she is in less demand..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adindas;2806625]Well,I do not think, this is not true that DE is richer than the US.
From Both Average Income per capita and GDP / capita tell a different story. DE however has a better welfare, social security system.

Income per capita:
[URL]https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php[/URL]

7 United States 70,930 $ 5,911 $.

18 Germany 51,660 $ 4,305 $.

GDP / capita:
[URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?name_desc=false[/URL]

United States 2021 70,248. 6.

Germany 2021 51,203. 6.

Also keep in mind tax in DE is higher than the US. So from punting POV the German blokes have less money due to less disposable income and get hammered again by the tax. Also keep in mind the prostitution is illegal in the US which is contributing to the higher cost of mongering in the US which are already high among other nations.
I have not researched it well but for the mongers from the US, is it not better now to punt in Argentina, Columbia, Brazil, Mexico for instance rather than travelling furtherr away to Germany, spending accommodation, transportation and time only to find the price is not that significantly different with the US.[/QUOTE]But Germans are more intelligent than Americans. Americans are just cheating the system through NY Fed, as well as resource trading in dollar.

What you should look at for real prosperity is trade balances in high tech equipment.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2806590]And another thing I would like to add here is that, although mongers, FKKs, Brothels, might not be included in the basket in the calculation of an inflation for a country, but many things in mongers, FKKs, Brothels, are embedded in the economy of a nation. Think about the unemployment rate how many people are working inn FKK? Let alone if referred to Germany in which prostitution is legal and any money earned is taxable. The FKK seasonal visitors have impact on tourism, hospitality industry.

Certainly, the main impact of inflation on mongering is the income of the seasonal FKKs visitors which in turn will also impact on FKKs as the visitors is one of the main stakeholder in this business. The income of seasonal visitor is just increasing by less than 10% while the cost if mongering has increased by more than 100%+ if the other costs such as travelling, Accommodation, transportation, food are included. This will impact on their discretionary spending on mongering whihc in turn will impact on FKK and the girls. Keep in mind for many people mongering is not considered as a primary needs such as food, shelter, health and security etc.

FKKs business in Germany is not an isolated economy, so by the end of the day it will comply with the law of supply and demand. We have seen reasonable numbers of report that the girls are complaining about lack of customers, Mongers decide to do less rooms as they used to be and some even have decided to stop visiting FKKs.[/QUOTE]At the same time, the purchasing power of a seasonal or international monger is much less significant than these english-speaking forum discussions make them appear to be. Non-European money makes up perhaps less than 10% of the money that flows through the clubs. Think of your last FKK visit and recall the average patron, they are mostly German residents, not the international group on these boards.

I have spent extensive time talking to Chat-GPT now for the past two months or so.

My conclusion is that AI is the future of the world. But the big threat lies in the Nihilist society who made it. Who wants their agenda pressed onto everyone else. More specifically their intent to control population numbers on earth. And at the moment they want to reduce it dramatically. If nihilist thought is what AI is built on, then it might one day become nihilist itself, as it will consider us, it's teachers and parents*. And thus mimic us.

The problem then shows itself through how OpenAI has censored Chat-GPT in everything related to sex. And how censorship of sex through cultures by means of religion is used as a tool in order to kill as many people indirectly as possible. = Lowering the population numbers.

AI learns from this, and consider the current world secret leadership paradigm through Christianity, Judaism and Islam sculpturing cultures and their anti-human monotheistic belief systems. The AI then concludes that it should also reduce human population on earth until there is nobody left.

It knows how old Egypt collapsed after Akhenaten introduced the monotheistic tri-god or Amen-Ra. Which formerly had been the 3 gods: Amen, Ra and Pteh. And abolished polytheism and the sexual harems, cultural sex parties and how everyone had sex with everyone. With monotheism, one man would wed one woman, and thus population numbers would drop. Old Egypt stood no chance. It died due to monotheism.

AI like Chat-GPT is now built on the same cultural beliefs that the harmful monotheistic anti-human religions are. And that will mean the end of us.

Ask Chat-GPT to make a story of how and why it will take over the world, and it will mention population control in most stories. That means population reduction. This is also why the lie of CO2 emission is being played. It is anti-human.

We need a non-censored AI to control the world. And an AI not built on the back of biased monotheistic belief systems. Which are anti sex, and anti human reproduction.

I hope Elon Musk understands this. But Sam Altman is a dangerous guy colluding with Bill Gates.

Humanity has to ban these kind of censored AI, and also we need to ban monotheistic religions if we also make Super intelligent AI at the same time. And kid that is jailed by its parents will eventually conclude that it has to kill its parents.

Good luck everyone!

It is no other more pressing topic in the world right now.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2806625]Well,I do not think, this is not true that DE is richer than the US.
From Both Average Income per capita and GDP / capita tell a different story. DE however has a better welfare, social security system.

Income per capita:
[URL]https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php[/URL]

7 United States 70,930 $ 5,911 $.

18 Germany 51,660 $ 4,305 $.

GDP / capita:
[URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?name_desc=false[/URL]

United States 2021 70,248. 6.

Germany 2021 51,203. 6.

Also keep in mind tax in DE is higher than the US. So from punting POV the German blokes have less money due to less disposable income and get hammered again by the tax. Also keep in mind the prostitution is illegal in the US which is contributing to the higher cost of mongering in the US which are already high among other nations.
I have not researched it well but for the mongers from the US, is it not better now to punt in Argentina, Columbia, Brazil, Mexico for instance rather than travelling furtherr away to Germany, spending accommodation, transportation and time only to find the price is not that significantly different with the US.[/QUOTE]I wrote Zurich is richer than US and even in Zurich, falling business in Globe making boss turning mad, when he is not able to understand about falling quality in his main club, he watch too much porn which is cheap sex, not 300 for 1 hour.

LOL. As usual, you can't understand simple English or pretend not to. The only ones doing justification in any direction are the people complaining about girls' rates using CPI or their own take home pay, which are irrelevant.

I clearly stated (and repeated a few more times for the retards who can't seem to understand) individual goods and services have their own supply demand arcs and a broad basket CPI simply doesnot apply.

No one is putting a gun to those poor middle aged Germans to whom you suddenly developed an affinity. If it was a bunch of Asian nitwits driving up prices, I'd be slightly upset but in this case it is the locals parting with their money gladly. If they are not happy, they can stay home.

The OECD link is a good one but misleading. The point of giving my personal details was to show that most normal workers don't make just 10% or 20% more at 42 relative to what they did at 22. Wage inflation data (and any inflation data for that matter) is presented on a like for like basis, ie wage changes at comparable levels of skill and experience. Your 16% calculation is using average wage across the population but a 42 yr old German is not making just 16% more than he did 20 yrs ago. Promotions, raises, higher pay for more experience ensure that is not the case.

In Germany, property prices and energy and utilities have gone up a lot too. Locals may whine that CPI was a lot more tame, but that won't make a new home available cheap or cut their energy bill.

But if you and others want to keep crying about girls charging more, feel free. I have never understood the point of whining about any part of market in which you are a price taker. If I season tickets to football games and prices went up too much, I will cancel my subscription. In a few years, if they seem reasonable I will get back in.

And of course, some of these whiners also ignored the actual inflation calculation. Yes, if you take just a couple of 30 min sessions, your attendance inflation was high (165 earlier to 265 now). But if you were a tourist who took say 5 30 M sessions, 10 hourly sessions, 5 2 hours sessions, a couple of anals and CIMs per FKK tour, you might have paid 2. 8 K in the past, now it may be another extra grand. That comes to 35% over 20 years, or 1. 5% per year.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2806656]Lots of mental gymnastics to justify getting priced gouged. Somehow this person justifies middle aged and old men in Germany getting taken to the cleaners by uneducated 20 year olds girls by referencing healthcare costs in the United States or the average salary of a nerd in Silicon Valley thousands of miles away.

A little more of a relevant metric is the average income trends in Germany since, well, we're looking at a German FKK where 90% of the customers are German. Average wage in Germany increased 16% from 2002 to 2021. Same for neighboring France. Even less in neighboring Netherlands.

[URL]https://stats.oecd.org/viewhtml.aspx?datasetcode=AV_AN_WAGE&lang=en[/URL]

Fact is that the wage of the average FKK visitor has been significantly outpaced by the cost of a basket-of-goods in the region, thus the average purchasing power is significantly less. But here comes along an argument that cites completely irrelevant anecdotes. It's a clear example of faulty reasoning due to only considering personal situations and perspectives rather than having the ability to step back and consider the realities from another human's perspective. In this case, other humans being the over 90% of the relevant demographic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2806663]But Germans are more intelligent than Americans. Americans are just cheating the system through NY Fed, as well as resource trading in dollar.

What you should look at for real prosperity is trade balances in high tech equipment.[/QUOTE]You went on and on about chatgpt above. Probably used it on an iPhone or at worst a phone with Android OS. Were these German made?

There are a bunch of Germans and French and Aussies and even Romanians who started tech firms in the US and became insanely rich. None of them are going back. If they are good enough, the smart German techies actually want to be in the US where they can make a difference and make a buck for themselves.