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Day Two of my field research. Two incalls in apartments and a visit to an FKK so far. It seems that for the moment I can enjoy all the services which I like.

I have not checked out any major FKKS.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2061460]I am just baffled why people insist on focusing on "laws", when "club rules" are the more immediate concern. In other words, no individual monger is being cock-blocked by the German authorities. Individual mongers are getting cock-blocked by FKK club management. If in the future, a monger does 15 sessions during a 5-day trip, and all 15 WGs tell the customer that they can only offer CBJ because it violates club rules, then the law becomes a moot point.[/QUOTE]I quote this simply because it seems blindingly obvious to me but not understood by everybody.

If a club is enforcing covered blow jobs, then we need not to "out" girls at those clubs who are breaking the club requirements.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2061387]July is not even over and you've already seen open discussion make BB services disappear? And you are certain of a causal linkage? Please explain.[/QUOTE]There was a guy on July 1st coming back from the room in an FKK club in Hessen. The situation there was that there were sign with the new law, reminding girls and guests that bb services are illegal from that day. But BBBJ was available in the room, no upsell, all fine. The guy, when back at the bar, didn't have anything better to do than brag openly and loud in front of guys, girls and bar staff that he just got a BBBJ from girl xxx (he mentioned the name). Result: he and the girl had to leave the club. And BBBJ after that day until now is not available anymore, not even with very regular guests (that meaning several days per week in that specific club).

That's proof enough for me not to push our luck by posting about BBBJ. On a public board. But a lot of guys here seem to think they are more clever than others or than authorities or club management. And that they will go and enjoy BBBJ no matter how clearly they report here about it. They will be very surprised. And I couldn't care less if it only affected them. But unfortunately it affects all of us.

HB.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2061478] No one is stupid around here, and if and when people see a direct, causal link between something typed here and a bad outcome in the club, many of us would self moderate.[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure about the first part. Why take the risk? Why is it so hard to self moderate and not mention BBBJ?

HB.

Hi guys,

Could somebody answer my question, please?

I am planning to go to FKK clubs in Germany in the near future.

I am afraid of STD, so I am planning to use a rubber underwear called "Penis Bermuda With Sheath."

Would girls and / or club refuse me to use that or welcome me?

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2061751]There was a guy on July 1st coming back from the room in an FKK club in Hessen. The situation there was that there were sign with the new law, reminding girls and guests that bb services are illegal from that day. But BBBJ was available in the room, no upsell, all fine. The guy, when back at the bar, didn't have anything better to do than brag openly and loud in front of guys, girls and bar staff that he just got a BBBJ from girl xxx (he mentioned the name). Result: he and the girl had to leave the club. And BBBJ after that day until now is not available anymore, not even with very regular guests (that meaning several days per week in that specific club).

That's proof enough for me not to push our luck by posting about BBBJ. On a public board. But a lot of guys here seem to think they are more clever than others or than authorities or club management. And that they will go and enjoy BBBJ no matter how clearly they report here about it. They will be very surprised. And I couldn't care less if it only affected them. But unfortunately it affects all of us.

HB.[/QUOTE]Good if you could mention the name of the club.

So people are more careful.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2061753]I'm not so sure about the first part. Why take the risk? Why is it so hard to self moderate and not mention BBBJ?

HB.[/QUOTE]I think alot of us non Germans really don't see how a law like this is taken seriously.

Well, now we know.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2061478]when people see a direct, causal link between something typed here and a bad outcome in the club, many of us would self moderate.[/QUOTE]A causal link can never be proven except in laboratories or in heavily controlled experiments: life is not that simplistic. Many many things contribute to a given outcome.

And even if a causal link were established then the damage will have been done. If there is widespread and publicly vaunted disregard of the law which then leads to tighter enforcement then the damage will have been done.

Personally I had expected for several years that the high profile of (then legal) AO gangbangs would lead to some sort of crackdown. For me that was a (probable) causal link.That is why when I found, soon after its opening, the first low-key AO club I reported on it, but didn't give its name: anyone interested at the time contacted me by PM

On several occasions in the past I have known of girls being thrown out of clubs because there were reports or rumours of them doing AO. Again a causal link (so far as one can ever prove).

One point often made is that there is prostitution in countries where it is illegal, with it being common knowledge, and that therefore it is right to give details (who, when, where) about illegal elements of prostitution in Germany.

This appears logical but misses one crucial thing. It is precisely because prostitution is legal and run as a relatively normal business that the clubs are concerned to preserve their hard won veneer of respectability. So reporting on illegal activities within a legal business will make the illegal activities less easy to find.

[QUOTE=Camry2005;2061757]Hi guys,

Could somebody answer my question, please?

I am planning to go to FKK clubs in Germany in the near future.

I am afraid of STD, so I am planning to use a rubber underwear called "Penis Bermuda With Sheath."

Would girls and / or club refuse me to use that or welcome me?[/QUOTE]Why would you wear that? It looks much much worse than a condom, and you could only wear it once. I would suspect girls would like to see for themselves if the guy is not carrying STD's also though.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2061765]Good if you could mention the name of the club.

So people are more careful.[/QUOTE]I think it was FKK World.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2061776]One point often made is that there is prostitution in countries where it is illegal, with it being common knowledge, and that therefore it is right to give details (who, when, where) about illegal elements of prostitution in Germany.

This appears logical but misses one crucial thing. It is precisely because prostitution is legal and run as a relatively normal business that the clubs are concerned to preserve their hard won veneer of respectability. So reporting on illegal activities within a legal business will make the illegal activities less easy to find.[/QUOTE]Precisely. The reason prostitution is legalised in any country is to control and tax it.

So then why didn't people just not go to that particular club anymore?

Seems the club is hurting itself if it responds that way.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2061751]There was a guy on July 1st coming back from the room in an FKK club in Hessen. The situation there was that there were sign with the new law, reminding girls and guests that bb services are illegal from that day. But BBBJ was available in the room, no upsell, all fine. The guy, when back at the bar, didn't have anything better to do than brag openly and loud in front of guys, girls and bar staff that he just got a BBBJ from girl xxx (he mentioned the name). Result: he and the girl had to leave the club. And BBBJ after that day until now is not available anymore, not even with very regular guests (that meaning several days per week in that specific club).

That's proof enough for me not to push our luck by posting about BBBJ. On a public board. But a lot of guys here seem to think they are more clever than others or than authorities or club management. And that they will go and enjoy BBBJ no matter how clearly they report here about it. They will be very surprised. And I couldn't care less if it only affected them. But unfortunately it affects all of us.

HB.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2061765]Good if you could mention the name of the club.

So people are more careful.[/QUOTE]People can be careful without the name of the club.

HB.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2061765]Good if you could mention the name of the club.

So people are more careful.[/QUOTE]Seem World and Rom staff try to be strict about law to respect, maybe they don't wish polizei come too often to control their club.

On the other hand, some clubs put information about new law, sell condoms to girls, but say girls are independent for their business.