FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2419258]A line up was very strong recently, lots of new, hotties of all shapes and colors. Management also seems to have cracked the whip on up-selling. Several girls said that all are told BBBJ Kissing, DATY 80430, across the board. That makes it compatible with normal Berlin private apt bordellos.[/QUOTE]Yes, this 80430 is really true. Finally a very good turn for Artemis. I met Loira a few days ago. She is a 30 yo, blond, German. We had a good time for that money. She is okay but not all that special. Just to have a good start of the day.

Some hours later I saw Ginger. Ro again. She is my favorite and will do her again and again. Beautiful, nice, never cheating, always friendly. She is about 27, brown hair just on her shoulders, fully naked. Always around the end of the bar. She is there for a few minutes only. Then the next guys comes along. CBJ is good with her. Saves money. I came perfectly in her juicy pussy. I wanted to repeat her but some hours later Alice (28 yo, looking much younger, German, blond hair, legs a bit Rubenesque at the end of the bar) saw me. We had been talking before. She insisted on a session and so we went. I do not regret. Some people do not like German girls, but how do I love them. Her service is something like a professional GFE. Most importantly is that she keeps an eye on my dick. Whenever the sucking was too hard, she changed her technique directly. I have only experienced that with German girls, like Mania some 5 years ago. Artemis has a good line-up now, especially for January. But anybody who now races to Artemis and looks for things like they were some 5 years ago, will be disappointed. Not that many girls. Not that many stunners. But I do liked Artemis this day well enough and will come again. Ginger on my mind for a few weeks is not that bad as after party.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2419963]When you consider that session prices were 60430 at the beginning, 15 years ago, 80430 not such a bad thing.[/QUOTE]I said a year ago that I'd be willing to pay €75 or €80 for a 30 minute session if it were up to standard. Hopefully if Artemis has started this policy, it will make other FKK's consider setting a decent price for a decent service. I'm less than happy about the poor service I received at Sharks on my last trip and probably won't be returning to Hesse but staying in NRW.

Spoiler alert.

Quite bad overall, not excited / planning to visit again anytime soon, would prefer to go to any of the clubs in Dusseldorf / Frankfurt.

Strict management kills the fun (-10/10).

My biggest disappointment, this is going to start stupid to start but please bear with me, is generally how restricting / imposing / regulating the management is towards the girls, which of course trickles down to the costumers of course.

Girls are not allowed to interact / touch / seduce in any way other than talking, even the talking time is limited to a short time and then the girl has to move on. Many of the girls told me this and that they would be told off for violating. 1) this completely kills the sexuality vibe 2) this doesn't get me as excited to go to a room, half of the pleasure for me is the seduction in public before going to the room.

This extends further by the prices being super fixed. Yes I know most clubs have minimums so the girls don't undersell each other for dirt cheap, but in this club its next level control. Everything is priced strictly and all the girls have to stick to it. This also means that the free market can't do its thing with supply and demand. Although I was there on a Friday it was quite slow with the number of clients, and there were many girls as obviously they were expecting people, but the girls were not getting clients and this of course visibly frustrated but. Nothing they can do. They still have to charge expensive and then the extras.

Pricing (2/10: minimums are 50%+ more expensive than what I am used to in Frankfurt / Dusseldorf).

Speaking of pricing, its quite a bit more expensive than Dusseldorf / Frankfurt;.

- Entry 80.

- Basic room session 60 euros (some kiss some not, condom BJ, condom fuck).

- BBJ +20.

- Cum on face +50.

- Cum on body some asked for up to 50 extra some said it was included, I guess the management was not clear on this one.

- Did not ask about other things.

Line up (2/10).

It is very difficult to describe here, especially without making generalizations, but I shall give it a shot of course;.

- Did not count but there were a lot of girls / ratio to guys was healthy in terms of numbers only.

- Generally most of them were doing their rounds like robots and you can see that they are frustrated / not excited. One of them mentioned how she really wanted to go home but her shift wouldn't end for a couple more hours.

- Generally it was actually quite difficult to find someone to go to the room with, in fact I spent a couple of hours before I developed the horniness / excitement to take someone to a room, which usually happens much quicker. I had to go to the sauna and monger around for a long time.

- Mostly Eastern Europeans, this was a bummer for me because I never go for Eastern EU as my experiences with them have not been too positive in the past, especially the Romanians.

- 5 or so German girls, one was completely natural and petite but the rest were heavy on the makeup and surgery, mostly huge boobs.

- 5 or so Latin / African girls, they had the nicest vibe and attitude and chill, without them this would've been even worse.

Logistics.

- Food (1/10): there was not even a decent salad, just some cut cucumbers and tomatoes and such. Or sweets for that matter. Main course, for a while there was a really nice rice and seafood but when that was done there was nothing to eat, some meat that was dry. Something else that I can not remember but was not edible. First time I leave an FKK hungry.

- Getting there: walking distance from Westkreuz, and getting to Westkreuz from anywhere in Berlin is really easy. I think trains run 24/7 as I left like 4 or something and still found a train back, check google maps.

BTW, long time lurker first time poster on internationalsexguide, excited to contribute and read more! Feedback / questions are very welcome of course!

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Girls are not allowed to interact / touch / seduce in any way other than talking, even the talking time is limited to a short time and then the girl has to move on.[/QUOTE]Really? Not touching is told by some girls for years and years. Some told me there are cameras but cannot point at them? LOL Others seem to simply disobey the rules. I had several girls crawling over me. And this has always happened to me. Twice I had to propose a room as she wouldn't stop talking.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]This extends further by the prices being super fixed. [/QUOTE]For years we have been complaining about upsell to the extreme. Finally solved!

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Although I was there on a Friday it was quite slow with the number of clients, and there were many girls.[/QUOTE]So happy about it. Again we all complain about the bad ratio: too many men and too few girls. Finally solved!

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]but the girls were not getting clients and this of course visibly frustrated but. Nothing they can do. They still have to charge expensive and then the extras.[/QUOTE]You are on a mission from. I wonder whether we stayed the same night. That could be and to me it was a very good night. Quite the opposite. Second session only a few rooms left. Third session we had the last room.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Speaking of pricing, its quite a bit more expensive than Dusseldorf / Frankfurt;[/QUOTE]So what the heck do you want? Free prices, upsell, more money for the girls. And now suddenly you start rattling about the high prices. Which is not true by the way. Many girls anywhere do upsell a lot. In Artemis this has been curbed. To your dismay?

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Generally most of them were doing their rounds like robots and you can see that they are frustrated / not excited.[/QUOTE]I talked to a lot of girls. Many girls were having fun. Among each other. Or with guys. There were even two girls proposing a threesome to a lot of guys. They really tried to seduce and have fun. After they tried me they needed two more customers to finally find their victim. Girls like that make the atmosphere a lot better with animated talking.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Generally it was actually quite difficult to find someone to go to the room with[/QUOTE]Still wondering whether we were there at the same night (31/1). Many beautiful girls. I really am an optick ficker and I easily got a hard-on. Did you see Ginger, Avril, the Bulgarian in red bikini that continuously proposed everybody to a room? And four or five more were really to my liking.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Mostly Eastern Europeans[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Danny227;2419415]Maybe they should bring more Romanians, Russians and Bulgarians and thin out the heavy German presence.[/QUOTE]Did Danny just get his wishes fulfilled? No, I can tell you there were relatively few Eastern Europeans and much more Germans than I have gotten used to the last 10 years or so.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]- 5 or so German girls, one was completely natural and petite but the rest were heavy on the makeup and surgery, mostly huge boobs.[/QUOTE]I had two German girls and talked to a few more. Whom are you talking about?

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]- 5 or so Latin / African girls, they had the nicest vibe and attitude and chill, without them this would've been even worse.[/QUOTE]You got to be kidding. There was one hot African girl that was in the bar only shortly around 2 pm and almost depressed at that time. Just didn't want to talk to her. She was booked all the time, for her gorgeous figure probably. The other African girls were mostly alone, mostly disappointed. The Cuban girl (40 yo) especially walked around with no success at all and not very happy about it.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]- Getting there: walking distance from Westkreuz, and getting to Westkreuz from anywhere in Berlin is really easy. I think trains run 24/7 as I left like 4 or something and still found a train back, check google maps.[/QUOTE]That is for the weekend. And not everywhere in Berlin. Mostly the circular (41,42) and the line towards Haupthbahnhof (3, 5, 7, 9, 75). Other lines that you might want to change to in order to get home are shut down earlier.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]I left like 4 or something[/QUOTE]That might explain something. After around 2 am Artemis loses a lot of it's vibe that is so dominant at 8 pm.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]long time lurker first time poster[/QUOTE]Happy to see your contribution but we seem to live in separate worlds.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]we seem to live in separate worlds.[/QUOTE]Agree on all points. While it is just not everyone's cup of tea, (and people themselves can have a bad day), things really seem to have gotten better. Not like the glory days of the first 8-10 years, but much, noticeably better than the last 2.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]Did Danny just get his wishes fulfilled? No, I can tell you there were relatively few Eastern Europeans and much more Germans than I have gotten used to the last 10 years or so.[/QUOTE]About 35-45 girls that are German born or leave in Germany many years to be fully accustomed.

Eastern Europe not that many. Would actually be nice to have some more of them. I don't have anything against German girls. I don't really care where they are from mostly. But German girls are more expensive and service is more distant. Romanians, Bulgarians are less price aggressive and higher service level. Also, there are no new Romanians in Artemis. Some fresh girls will be nice, preferably no silicone and younger instead of all the grandmothers there. Worst casting in Artemis in many years.

Inflated dolls with lipstick and a mask.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2419963]That is the point. It is in line with private apartment bordellos and independents. I was told A management put out the word in one of their all hands on deck meetings recently. So while some girls may try to stretch this, you can refer to this "policy" and see what happens. Chemistry always an individual thing and a girl can refuse or decide "OK I will kiss this ugly slob but only if he pays", so YMMV. But this price is now the baseline and it should be referred to in any negotiations.

When you consider that session prices were 60430 at the beginning, 15 years ago, 80430 not such a bad thing. But I was told management is trying to reign in some of the crazy prices girls were offering, and that is an important step in the right direction. Overall I think things are improving there.[/QUOTE]This is good news. I haven't been to Artemis for years. Maybe I should reconsider.

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Maybe its reasonable to think that different people could have different experiences? Or expectations? Or thinks might have been different on a different day?

But thanks for your response, this might help clarify to the rest of the guys what I meant and what the expectations are.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]Really? Not touching is told by some girls for years and years. Some told me there are cameras but cannot point at them? LOL Others seem to simply disobey the rules. I had several girls crawling over me. And this has always happened to me. Twice I had to propose a room as she wouldn't stop talking.[/QUOTE]No one touched me before the room, not even on the way there, maybe I'm just not handsome enough, but that was my experience nonetheless. I prefer when we get all touchy in the bar but that did not happen for me, well done to you!

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]So what the heck do you want? Free prices, upsell, more money for the girls. And now suddenly you start rattling about the high prices. Which is not true by the way. Many girls anywhere do upsell a lot. In Artemis this has been curbed. To your dismay?[/QUOTE]I'm only there for the BBBJ and COB, I usually get this for the basic 50 euros in Dusseldorf and Frankfurt. 80-100 here, double (some girls wanted extra for the COB, some did not, so its double / cum for me.).

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]I talked to a lot of girls. Many girls were having fun. Among each other. Or with guys. There were even two girls proposing a threesome to a lot of guys. They really tried to seduce and have fun. After they tried me they needed two more customers to finally find their victim. Girls like that make the atmosphere a lot better with animated talking.[/QUOTE]Didn't see anything like this.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]Did Danny just get his wishes fulfilled? No, I can tell you there were relatively few Eastern Europeans and much more Germans than I have gotten used to the last 10 years or so.[/QUOTE]As I said, there are more Germans than I'm used to in such a location but none were too my liking, way way too much silicone and makeups for me.

It is generally different to describe a line-up, but I do care about the natural beauty quite a bit.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]You got to be kidding. There was one hot African girl that was in the bar only shortly around 2 pm and almost depressed at that time. Just didn't want to talk to her. She was booked all the time, for her gorgeous figure probably. The other African girls were mostly alone, mostly disappointed. The Cuban girl (40 yo) especially walked around with no success at all and not very happy about it.
[/QUOTE]When I was there, there were at least 5 or 6.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]That is for the weekend. And not everywhere in Berlin. Mostly the circular (41,42) and the line towards Haupthbahnhof (3, 5, 7, 9, 75). Other lines that you might want to change to in order to get home are shut down earlier.[/QUOTE]Sure, please check google maps guys!

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[QUOTE=Danny227;2420721]About 35-45 girls that are German born or leave in Germany many years to be fully accustomed.[/QUOTE]No idea what any of this means.

[QUOTE]Some fresh girls will be nice, preferably no silicone and younger instead of all the grandmothers there. Worst casting in Artemis in many years. Inflated dolls with lipstick and a mask.[/QUOTE]When exactly was the last time you were there?

BoneRanger and Dio captured most of my thoughts except I still have to reinforce, I found the assortment at Artemis to be a winner. I have been to 6 or 7 FKKs and never have I seen such a selection.

From A cups to EEEEE balloons that hang like giant melons off a tree. I mean, German, Bulgarian, Turkish, Rom African. This was like the big box of chocolates with every flavor. I could have gone upstairs with 4 or 5 girls, but my balls let me down after only 2! Oh well, I still loved the views. And I had great conversations. Girls came and sat with me, and I went around and sat down in groups of 3 and got to "feel" what they were like.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Spoiler alert.

Quite bad overall, not excited / planning to visit again anytime soon, would prefer to go to any of the clubs in Dusseldorf / Frankfurt.

Line up (2/10).

It is very difficult to describe here, especially without making generalizations, but I shall give it a shot of course;.

- Did not count but there were a lot of girls / ratio to guys was healthy in terms of numbers only.

- Generally most of them were doing their rounds like robots and you can see that they are frustrated / not excited. One of them mentioned how she really wanted to go home but her shift wouldn't end for a couple more hours.

- Generally it was actually quite difficult to find someone to go to the room with, in fact I spent a couple of hours before I developed the horniness / excitement to take someone to a room, which usually happens much quicker. I had to go to the sauna and monger around for a long time.

- Mostly Eastern Europeans, this was a bummer for me because I never go for Eastern EU as my experiences with them have not been too positive in the past, especially the Romanians.

- 5 or so German girls, one was completely natural and petite but the rest were heavy on the makeup and surgery, mostly huge boobs.

- 5 or so Latin / African girls, they had the nicest vibe and attitude and chill, without them this would've been even worse.

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At RandomDude963.

I take offence at your accusation that I work for them. On another forum, some time ago, I have advised people not to go to Artemis anymore. And I have repeated that. A few other things: name the clubs in Frankfurt and Dusseldorf area where you get BBBJ and COB for free. I only know GT for free BBBJ. And that is actually more complicated. Staff does not allow girls to have a paid BBBJ in their business model. So, if you cannot provide us with the names of these clubs I have serious problems with your posting. Because I have not found them, never heard of them. On the contrary I have paid for it considerably so. Yes, there were a few African ladies but you said they were the ones that did good to the atmosphere. That is not true as far as I could see. On the contrary. If you have not seen other girls talking animatedly to other girls and men, you have not looked very well. If you have not been touched then please present yourself in a more welcoming, friendly way. Google maps is not your friend in this? Much better to use bahn. De and put in "Berlin Westkreuz". It is in English too. This is much easier to check before hand to see if you can still make it to your hotel.

Then talking about the line up etc. That others have talked about. The first time I went to Artemis, 10 years ago, the line up was not very good. Already then it went up and down. But with Messes it usually was good. Sometimes it was so incredibly good I just could not believe it. But already then people said it had been better. There is always some people that keep complaining. Nothing you can do about it. My intent here is to provide information that people can use to make a decision to come or not. So here it goes. The line up at Artemis has been much better in the past, but at the moment you can quite easily find a girl that is beautiful and gives you decent service. The atmosphere is good but it is nothing like for example Jun 6 2013. Then I thought I had entered a movie model party gone naked. It is not like that at the moment. But compared to other clubs Artemis is doing well in this period. Many ladies that earn a lot during the year are still having a holiday at this time of the year, but Artemis at least has three stunners now. Incredible. The line up about three years ago was better then it is now. At least when I visited the spot. But you had to pay a lot of extra money for kissing and BBBJ. That is the thing that has changed for the better now. To recap the situation that I found last week a decent line up with curbed sell up. To me that is the best I have had in several years. Now, we still need a few good African ladies and things are definitely on track.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2420743]No idea what any of this means.

When exactly was the last time you were there?[/QUOTE]Oh man, it is quite simple. It means that German born is German, if it is of Turkish decent or something is irrelevant. If it is a Czech girl that moved to Germany at two years old, it is German. Two weeks ago last time. Made the decision to stay away for a while. Fresh girls means not 30+ with 8 years in the business. Less silicone and blown lips. It means less plastic and more natural. It isn't very hard to understand amigo. It has been written by many people before me, just read.

Visited Berlin this past month and decided to make a trip to Artemis. It was a Wednesday night, and I was there approximately 9 pm-12 am. I had unclear expectations having visited other clubs in Germany, but first time in Berlin.

Passed the first couple of hours uneventfully; frankly found the room to be mainly 5-7's, and with the clothing on (was it lingerie night?) it made things less interesting. Saw too many implants for my taste.

Eventually a pair of girls came and tried to talk me into a threesome. One was a German, appeared to have a spray-on tan. I believe her name may have been Penelope. She was hustling for the threesome. Her friend was not as pushy, and was in my eyes the most beautiful girl I had seen that night. She told me she was German / Turk. I think her name started with an L, Leana? Leah? Probably mid to late 20's, all natural body, great rack, pierced nipples. I held firm on not being interested in a threesome but I signalled my interest in this German / Turk beauty. Eventually we partnered upstairs and she was incredible. Great attitude and service. Great English too with a cute accent.

I was planning to see her again the following night but had to leave on an earlier flight.

Any regulars there who know who I'm speaking of? Would appreciate a DM as well. Can't wait to get back to Berlin just to see her.

[QUOTE=Shaq34;2420969]Visited Berlin this past month and decided to make a trip to Artemis. It was a Wednesday night, and I was there approximately 9 pm-12 am. I had unclear expectations having visited other clubs in Germany, but first time in Berlin.

Passed the first couple of hours uneventfully; frankly found the room to be mainly 5-7's, and with the clothing on (was it lingerie night?) it made things less interesting. Saw too many implants for my taste.

Eventually a pair of girls came and tried to talk me into a threesome. One was a German, appeared to have a spray-on tan. I believe her name may have been Penelope. She was hustling for the threesome. Her friend was not as pushy, and was in my eyes the most beautiful girl I had seen that night. She told me she was German / Turk. I think her name started with an L, Leana? Leah? Probably mid to late 20's, all natural body, great rack, pierced nipples. I held firm on not being interested in a threesome but I signalled my interest in this German / Turk beauty. Eventually we partnered upstairs and she was incredible. Great attitude and service. Great English too with a cute accent.

I was planning to see her again the following night but had to leave on an earlier flight.

Any regulars there who know who I'm speaking of? Would appreciate a DM as well. Can't wait to get back to Berlin just to see her.[/QUOTE]You need to describe her better. Penelope is Romanian. Also very likely that her friend was not German. Give some more color like height, hair, silicone or natural, sprayed lips or not, big or slim, eye color and service and pricing helps as well. How old.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2420991]You need to describe her better. Penelope is Romanian. Also very likely that her friend was not German. Give some more color like height, hair, silicone or natural, sprayed lips or not, big or slim, eye color and service and pricing helps as well. How old.[/QUOTE]She presented herself as German / Turk and I have no reason to disbelieve it because she had the beautiful features of a mixed girl.

Height was approx 5'4" to 5'6".

Hair went down to her mid, slightly curled, dark with blonde highlights.

Natural see / the, pierced nipples.

Tight curves in her body.

Large eyes.

Offered standard menu and extras at the usual prices, and I was very happy to partake of the extras. I have to assume regulars there can figure her out, especially since she and her friend often ask for threesomes. Thanks for reading.