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A butthead might say that porn addiction is less harmful as it is medically most safe and obviously the least expensive.

However, even the butthead would probably agree that sex with a young pretty girl beats sex with one's own hands -- hands down, no pun.

Of course addiction of any kind is an unfortunate thing.

I don't know if I would classify attendance of a certain number (30 or whatever) as addiction. Addiction Board in the US calls addiction a primary chronic disease of the brain. Websters defines addiction as a persistent, compulsive need of something known by the user to be harmful *AND* well defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawl.

I don't think most mongers think FKKing is harmful (other than depletion of financial resources), and I think many of us stay away from clubs for long stretches due to a variety of reasons.

McAdonis. Agreed. My scenario was just a rule of thumb for when a girl knows a customer is fond of her, and assumed a certain politeness and diplomacy on the part of the girl, exactly as you suggest. A girl asking rudely or unwisely of course can lose out as you say.

As for terminating a "friendship" with a working girl, all I can say is that for me it is extremely simple. I can fire her as you put it just as she can "fire" me. All it takes is one word "no"

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2213454]You're right but that's not exactly the same cost.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes FKK is more expensive, but as long as one spends within one's means then there is no problem.

KK and Bfsie. Thanks for the kind words: it is nice to know that I don't write complete rubbish.

KK. WhatsApp couch time is essential to keep me on the hook, as you well know. The photos, videos and " mi e dor de tine iubitul meu" are an offer made by the girls to secure continued control of my wallet.

As McA. says, such time is "free". I will however give"gifts" once it becomes a very substantial commitment by the girl. Like in a club: half hour couch time is ok, but once it gets to an hour I feel I owe the girl something.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2213814]I for one won't be "reverting". Real, confirmed mongers stand up![/QUOTE]Standing up and fully erect, The Cane.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2213792]Porn addiction affected my erection quality. It also made it difficult for me to orgasm with real vaginas and mouths, and as such I could not enjoy paid sex activity or civilian sex activity as much. In other words, I felt it was a matter of sexual health.

FKK clubs, one could argue, could also have some long-term effects on ability to perform sexually with normal civilian women. It spoils us. It allows us to fuck prettier girls than we could usually get in real life. Also more variety than we could get in real life. Perhaps more deviant sexual acts than we would feel comfortable asking for with normal women. Too much FKK might make it difficult to get "excited" if we ever had to revert to a non-mongering sex life. Admittedly, this issue would not be relevant for mongers that have given up hope on civilian women.

I would like to cut back on my paid sex activity, but in all honesty, it is what helps curb my porn addiction. So I guess paid sex would be the lesser of two evils. Everything in moderation.[/QUOTE]FKK lovely Romanians are so much more interesting and enjoyable than fake porn. I read the name Elena Koshka who is a porn star, I thought she is Russian, and as I love Russian girls, I looked who she is, she has Russian origins, but American. I watched a bit about her, in FKK I would go with her for her look, but even impressive squirting, she is just ridiculous when she is fucked on porn. I really would like to fuck her to know where is the truth, about her I m cumming, I m cumming. I met few pornstars doing escorting, 1 was a really shy woman in bed, I know better Romanians in FKK.

About contacts with girls, Kate never asked me money, my LR ex never asked me money, Megan never asked me money, Madi World never asked me money, Isabella never asked me money, others never asked me money, except one on end of 2014 who had a BF, maybe he sent messages asking money? Usually they sent: how are you? When do you come? Maybe they prefer my often business rather than losing it when asking money? When girls respect you and like you, they won't ask you money, same than in real life, women in my life who made less money than me, but they never asked me money and they were so proud to make me a present.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2213886]A girl asking rudely or unwisely of course can lose out as you say.[/QUOTE]Siri once shared that a WG from World asked for 30 K for an apartment. I think that ruined the mood, illusion, fantasy. I don't believe he ever saw her again.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2213886]As for terminating a "friendship" with a working girl, all I can say is that for me it is extremely simple. I can fire her as you put it just as she can "fire" me. All it takes is one word "no"[/QUOTE]Well was it because they got fat or old? Or because they did something to upset you? If they upset you, then that is a very convenient excuse to have a falling out and terminate the relationship. The reason I ask you is because you characterize yourself as someone that can be somewhat flexible on looks. I imagine you as someone who would overlook minor optical flaws during the first fuck and early courtship phase. And once two years pass from that stage, you would not drop her as soon as she exhibited major optic flaws (10 extra kg and wrinkles). That assumes, of course, that the genuine connection remained strong for that entire two year period, and she didn't get greedy (I. E. Betty Sharks).

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2213870]I don't know if I would classify attendance of a certain number (30 or whatever) as addiction. Addiction Board in the US calls addiction a primary chronic disease of the brain. Websters defines addiction as a persistent, compulsive need of something known by the user to be harmful *AND* well defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawl.

I don't think most mongers think FKKing is harmful (other than depletion of financial resources)[/QUOTE]To be perfectly clear, I believe paid sex is a wonderful thing. Even recreational drug use is a wonderful thing. They both relieve stress. They both allow for a temporary escape from the real world. They both might even help one function better and lead a more productive life. The problem is when they can't control it, and it consumes them.

To your point about "depletion of financial resources", I characterize FKK activities as leisure or therapeutic. FKK is like our version of a relaxing beach holiday. Most people don't consider a beach holiday a waste of their financial resources. It allows them to return to their normal life feeling recharged. So beach holidays aren't a bad thing, provided people aren't spending disproportionate amounts of their disposable income on them. Financial planners advise you spend 10 percent of your after tax income on leisure (restaurants, pubs, normal holiday, FKKing): [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/27/how-much-to-spend-on-fun-each-month-according-to-a-financial-planner.html[/URL].

She was Oana at World, but she didn't send me message, she didn't have my number, she asked me in room. I wanted to leave the room, so she said: If You don t want, no problem. The reason was not for a apartment but about family. Of course, it was our last room. Even after all World girls knew I went to World for only 1 girl, when she saw me, she said "Mon. Chéri" for months. The funniest is one member who liked to write about me and my girls, wrote she asked me 30 000 € because I asked her for AO sex. Had anybody paid 30.000 to have AO sex? For 30 000, I would have a real top model look, Oana was not but only cute, for at least 1 month and no problem for AO sex if I wanted. I never paid and was never asked any extra for this.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2214029]She was Oana at World, but she didn't send me message, she didn't have my number, she asked me in room. I wanted to leave the room, so she said: If You don t want, no problem. The reason was not for a apartment but about family. Of course, it was our last room. Even after all World girls knew I went to World for only 1 girl, when she saw me, she said "Mon. Chri" for months. The funniest is one member who liked to write about me and my girls, wrote she asked me 30 000 because I asked her for AO sex. Had anybody paid 30.000 to have AO sex? For 30 000, I would have a real top model look, Oana was not but only cute, for at least 1 month and no problem for AO sex if I wanted. I never paid and was never asked any extra for this.[/QUOTE]A girl asked for 30000 euro in FKK? Even for AO sex, that is absurd figure LOL.

AO BJ AKA BBBJ is even 50 euro extra nowadays in some clubs, but wow 30.000 Euro, it would be better off for you to get wrx sti or lancer evolution for your weekend 1000 km drive to German FKK and mountain Siri.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2213814]I for one won't be "reverting". Real, confirmed mongers stand up![/QUOTE]I for two won't be reverting, I do not see any rationality doing so.

I understand emotional reasoning, but my rationality will bring me back to monger world where sexual encounters are endless.

FKK is like walking into any bar, but difference is that at FKK, it is secure thing with more varieties on display for you to taste and change as we monger want it. And during lucky summer months, we monger even get to taste walk in girls who are in FKK game sometimes, which most of them end up doing it for permanently after tasting fast cash.

For mongers, fate, destiny and karama are the young beauties we bump in to at main bar, but main bar of FKK LOL. It is quite romantic setting that you do most dirty thing with her for few hours and never see each other again, it is melancholic side of FKK life as many mongers do remember some beautiful dirty moments with some beautiful young girls we nailed that we never see again as girls tend to leave for life at one point.

I see news on TV of some country like Prague, Bucharest etc and I do think about these beautiful dirty moments I had with those young beautiful girls who were once at German FKK. I hope they are happy in their own way in their home town.

There is no reverting at least fully, I had too much of beautiful moments in monger world.

Greetings!

I'm a monger from way back, but haven't been active in over ten years so started a new profile for my upcoming travels to Germany. Hoping you guys can help me out. My plan is to visit an FKK, as well as use an escort to my hotel. Not really interested in RLD action.

Questions:

1. If I could only visit one FKK and my preference is for thin and young, what's my best bet on a Monday / Tuesday evening in the Frankfurt area?

2. I know escorts can be hit or miss, but are there any recommendations for independent ladies or reputable agencies?

3. I'll post in the travel section, but I'd prefer to visit the FKK with another monger for safety reasons, as well as to swap stories and party. I'm new to the region.

Thanks in advance. If you prefer PM, let me know and I'll spring for the membership. I've read through the forums but as my trip draws near I wanted to get as much updated info and advice as possible.

Thanks in advance!

McA. You are right. I have occasionally dropped regular girls after a couple of years, not because of the (inevitable) weight increase or other physical change but because of change in their behaviour (or maybe my changing views). Once I find a girl I will stick with her regardless of physical change (within reason). BTW I see you remember my Betty posts better than I do LOL.

As for the 30,000 story. The girl has a different version, but I will not share it as it is only her version and I feel, as Sirioja suggests, it is not appropriate to gossip about another ISG member. The key point is, yes, Sirioja says he was asked for 30,000 and unsurprisingly it changed his mood. The same girl asked me for over a year for money, and finally for 5000, as a gift. However, I still continued to go to a room with her occasionally for an half hour, and she used regularly to invite me to sit and chat (couch time) with her for maybe half hour or an hour (always it was me who cut it short so she could earn money from customers). Her money request did not change the mood as we were not playing the "illusion" game, and my refusal seemed to lead to respect from her.

With at least four girls (over a 16 year period) I was playing the "illusion" game and unskillfull requests for money led to me terminating the business relationships. With another two girls I offered money without being asked, and they subsequently asked for further money. With a couple of other girls they refunded me significant parts of my room expenditure. So, even with one charmless ageing monger, there is no set pattern.

When I talk about money I am not referring to marginal tips or very cheap gifts. I am uncomfortable writing about myself but thought it might give a hint of the rich variety of things which happen. I know some members have much more amazing stories than I.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2214191]McA. You are right. I have occasionally dropped regular girls after a couple of years, not because of the (inevitable) weight increase or other physical change but because of change in their behaviour (or maybe my changing views). Once I find a girl I will stick with her regardless of physical change (within reason). BTW I see you remember my Betty posts better than I do LOL.

As for the 30,000 story. The girl has a different version, but I will not share it as it is only her version and I feel, as Sirioja suggests, it is not appropriate to gossip about another ISG member. The key point is, yes, Sirioja says he was asked for 30,000 and unsurprisingly it changed his mood. The same girl asked me for over a year for money, and finally for 5000, as a gift. However, I still continued to go to a room with her occasionally for an half hour, and she used regularly to invite me to sit and chat (couch time) with her for maybe half hour or an hour (always it was me who cut it short so she could earn money from customers). Her money request did not change the mood as we were not playing the "illusion" game, and my refusal seemed to lead to respect from her.

With at least four girls (over a 16 year period) I was playing the "illusion" game and unskillfull requests for money led to me terminating the business relationships. With another two girls I offered money without being asked, and they subsequently asked for further money. With a couple of other girls they refunded me significant parts of my room expenditure. So, even with one charmless ageing monger, there is no set pattern.

When I talk about money I am not referring to marginal tips or very cheap gifts. I am uncomfortable writing about myself but thought it might give a hint of the rich variety of things which happen. I know some members have much more amazing stories than I.[/QUOTE]So, I'm not the only one Oana asked money, not by whatsapp for me, eyes in eyes in the room. I think I had about 5/6 rooms with her on March and April 2014, so she knew my behavior with her, not a girl for illusion, but she was playful and funny, but she really didn't deserve 30.000 or even 5000 if I wanted AO sex, same like for kissing I will never pay extra for AO, it can happen during fluent sex, or not. For sure I stopped after this room with her, I can't go with girls I don't trust, even she tried to attract me for months, but when Isabella arrived at World and Madi I discovered on May, Oana was not on same level for me.

I never need to gossip about other guys when I'm with a girl, I have better to enjoy with her, but a guy with my behavior with girls has all the prettiest for regulars, at Globe where I m nothing for money, girls who know me come to me, even the Globe full busy superstar who is much more top class than was Oana.

[QUOTE=IncognitoInt;2214128]Greetings! 3. I'll post in the travel section, but I'd prefer to visit the FKK with another monger for safety reasons, as well as to swap stories and party. I'm new to the region.[/QUOTE]My first trip to Germany also. I'll be in Frankfurt during your stay. I also have a friend who lives near Frankfurt. (We're from Amerika, hope you won't hold that against us. LOL) You'll have to subscribe in order to PM, so we can coordinate.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2214353]. I also have a friend who lives near Frankfurt. (We're from Amerika, hope you won't hold that against us. LOL) [/QUOTE]You do realise that there is a risk your family will be separated at the border, don't you?