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[QUOTE=Camry2005;2061757]Hi guys,
Could somebody answer my question, please?
I am planning to go to FKK clubs in Germany in the near future.
I am afraid of STD, so I am planning to use a rubber underwear called "Penis Bermuda With Sheath."
Would girls and / or club refuse me to use that or welcome me?[/QUOTE]If you are so afraid, don't go, save your money, find a real GF and use this toy with her, she will enjoy.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2061753]I'm not so sure about the first part. Why take the risk? Why is it so hard to self moderate and not mention BBBJ?
HB.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Is that a self confession on your part? Pretty arrogant, to say the least.
As for the other question. I haven't yet posted a report after July 1. If/when I do, I will report accurately. To me, it is a lot more important to follow the law -- whatever that is (unless it is such a junky law that is very widely flouted) than to break it and then write a mealy mouthed report about it. In any case, I have some time to think about it and whether I should bother to write a report at all. All I can say is, I have never knowingly written any report to get someone else in trouble. But any report, I expect to follow the forum rules.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2061564]Agreed.
Until there is a causal link as opposed to idle arm chair speculation then no need to be impolite and call other members names (you know who you are) and censor reporting that is within the bounds of the forum rules.
.[/QUOTE]The impoliteness (and worse) has just been unbelievable. From members who hitherto used to to be polite and nice.
-- continual references to their own intelligence and combined with casual putdowns: "stupid, don't get it, missing it, what is so hard to understand, thinking with dick, etc etc".
And their ideal world works as follows -- pretty much every monger anywhere on any forum or live in the club becomes completely self moderating. Then authorities, and their partners in enforcement, aka club managements, will look the other way and we all can have our BBBJ (or perhaps those in the know, with connections and knowing which girls do, can get it and the rest should be happy with their memories). Pretty uneasy truce of course. Per his own report, one single monger bragging in a club was able to bring it down, so how is this self moderation to be expected from the tens of thousands of mongers visiting hundreds of clubs, both experienced and novice, both introverted and loud mouthed, on this forum and every other forum out there, for now and forever?
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2061751]There was a guy on July 1st coming back from the room in an FKK club in Hessen. The situation there was that there were sign with the new law, reminding girls and guests that bb services are illegal from that day. But BBBJ was available in the room, no upsell, all fine. The guy, when back at the bar, didn't have anything better to do than brag openly and loud in front of guys, girls and bar staff that he just got a BBBJ from girl xxx (he mentioned the name). Result: he and the girl had to leave the club. And BBBJ after that day until now is not available anymore, not even with very regular guests (that meaning several days per week in that specific club).
That's proof enough for me not to push our luck by posting about BBBJ. On a public board. But a lot of guys here seem to think they are more clever than others or than authorities or club management. And that they will go and enjoy BBBJ no matter how clearly they report here about it. They will be very surprised. And I couldn't care less if it only affected them. But unfortunately it affects all of us.
HB.[/QUOTE]Posturing this as evidence that a board post resulted in BB services going away is a bit disingenuous don't you think?
(1) No posting was involved at all. No board was involved at all. In person is different than posting. To wit.
(2) The guy was there in person shoving this in the face of the operator. There is no way they could claim to not know. There is no way they could claim it was hearsay.
(3) And if, as I predict, the operator is just trying to go through the motions to establish plausible deniability, that guy robbed them of the opportunity to do that.
Of course they had to do something in that situation. They have to keep the public area free of evidence of BB services. But they don't have to account for board posts because (from a court point of view) board posts are not reliable as evidence, and being hearsay are not even acceptable.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2061773]A causal link can never be proven except in laboratories or in heavily controlled experiments: life is not that simplistic. Many many things contribute to a given outcome. .[/QUOTE]Then how can you be so certain that posting will endanger BB services? By your own description it should be too complex to predict.
[QUOTE] On several occasions in the past I have known of girls being thrown out of clubs because there were reports or rumours of them doing AO. Again a causal link (so far as one can ever prove).[/QUOTE]But AO wasn't even banned then. How could it result in being thrown out? This was, no doubt, the typical girl-to-girl backstabbing brothel politics. It wasn't about AO. It was about a cat fight.
I completely understand the difficulty here that no amount of foot-stamping and cajoling on the part of certain senior members will ever completely reign in explicit reporting of certain activities. There are just too many opinionated guys out there who come out on both sides of this debate.
In fairness to those who are requesting self-moderation though, I would merely observe that it is quite easy to share detailed reports here without being so EXPLICIT about certain activities. Plenty of recent examples of this creative reporting abound in the FKK threads in case anyone was searching for inspiration along these lines.
On the one hand, I can appreciate the objections of those who cry censorship -- On the other hand, is it really censorship to say, "Go ahead and share all the information you want, but kindly exercise some restraint in the explicitness of your reporting?" Rather than explicitly using certain well-understood abbreviations for example, it is easy to paint exactly the same picture but in way that the individual posts cannot be used against particular clubs or particular workers.
Take for example some of Optimist's recent posts. Everyone reading his posts understands quite well his meaning, but there is nothing in his posts that are so explicit so as to provoke the ire of those calling for judicious self-moderation. KUDOS to Optimist for his judicious reporting style. It is too bad that more do not follow his lead. I appreciate those who say, "Yeah but, we don't know for sure if such reporting will have a negative effect, so let's just plow forward until our ship wrecks in the rocks. " On the other hand, why wait until our ship is wrecked on the rocks to know whether it was smart to plow ahead? If we can all get to the same destination, but in a safer way, why not take the safer route?
I fully realize that this post is a complete waste of my time to write because it won't make a damn bit of difference in how many posters choose to share information going forward. I merely wished to temper some of ongoing discussion with some balance. That's all.
Hello everyone,
I have visited and loved my experience at FKK's (Oase, Sharks, LivingRoom, Golden Time and Acapulco). I was wondering for those who have been to FKK Land and Brazil / Colombia would you mind giving your feedback on how you'd compare the three? Setting aside cost / time to get to those locations all else equal how would you rate the following:
1) Clubs (ease of access, variety, atmosphere and amenities).
2) Optics of the Ladies.
3) Service of the Ladies.
4) Cost of the Ladies.
5) Overall expenses at the club / location (excluding airfare).
I've read some reports in both forums and I'd have to say that Brazil might be the next best if not better than FKK land due to service. Please feel free to add to my list if you feel we should compare other topics.
[QUOTE=DrPoon;2061848]So then why didn't people just not go to that particular club anymore?
Seems the club is hurting itself if it responds that way.[/QUOTE]German are rule following people. They do not look the other way when they are aware of scofflaws. They also understand, don't ask, don't tell. The world does not operate based on how you think. Why not follow the local culture?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2061882]If you are so afraid, don't go, save your money, find a real GF and use this toy with her, she will enjoy.[/QUOTE]It was a joke don't you get it?
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2061890]The impoliteness (and worse) has just been unbelievable. From members who hitherto used to to be polite and nice.
-- continual references to their own intelligence and combined with casual putdowns: "stupid, don't get it, missing it, what is so hard to understand, thinking with dick, etc etc".
And their ideal world works as follows -- pretty much every monger anywhere on any forum or live in the club becomes completely self moderating. Then authorities, and their partners in enforcement, aka club managements, will look the other way and we all can have our BBBJ (or perhaps those in the know, with connections and knowing which girls do, can get it and the rest should be happy with their memories). Pretty uneasy truce of course. Per his own report, one single monger bragging in a club was able to bring it down, so how is this self moderation to be expected from the tens of thousands of mongers visiting hundreds of clubs, both experienced and novice, both introverted and loud mouthed, on this forum and every other forum out there, for now and forever?[/QUOTE]I totally agree with your reasoning. Telling a few guys on a forum to moderate is a drop in the ocean when you have thousands of guys going to the clubs everyday and writing on forums all over the world.
I have also been visiting the Hessen clubs post 1 July and not a single girl has moderated their service level that I experienced.
Many of the German regulars make jokes about the new rules. They tease each other and give advice on what girls do what in the room. These Germans still remain in the club and are not kicked out.
There is even public sex and BJs going on. I hope that helps you with the genre of entertainment available.
[QUOTE=DrPoon;2061848]So then why didn't people just not go to that particular club anymore?
Seems the club is hurting itself if it responds that way.[/QUOTE]Actually amongst the German regulars that I discussed this with their opinion was that the locals and the foreigners will just stop going to the club. Actually many said that they have already stratched the club off their weekly visit schedule.
They say all this talk on ISG is hilarious when they read it.
Don't worry.
Totally agree with these lines.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2061899]Posturing this as evidence that a board post resulted in BB services going away is a bit disingenuous don't you think?
(1) No posting was involved at all. No board was involved at all. In person is different than posting. To wit.
(2) The guy was there in person shoving this in the face of the operator. There is no way they could claim to not know. There is no way they could claim it was hearsay.
(3) And if, as I predict, the operator is just trying to go through the motions to establish plausible deniability, that guy robbed them of the opportunity to do that.
Of course they had to do something in that situation. They have to keep the public area free of evidence of BB services. But they don't have to account for board posts because (from a court point of view) board posts are not reliable as evidence, and being hearsay are not even acceptable.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Optimist;2061735]Day Two of my field research. Two incalls in apartments and a visit to an FKK so far. It seems that for the moment I can enjoy all the services which I like.
I have not checked out any major FKKS.[/QUOTE]Agreed on service levels too from my part. Major FKKs also no change in service levels so go on right ahead.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2061902]
But AO wasn't even banned then. How could it result in being thrown out? This was, no doubt, the typical girl-to-girl backstabbing brothel politics. It wasn't about AO. It was about a cat fight.[/QUOTE]AO was banned (by club management) in all clubs except the RTCs pre July 1st 2017. And if it became known, the girl and the guy were thrown out.
HB.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2061902]Then how can you be so certain that posting will endanger BB services? By your own description it should be too complex to predict.
But AO wasn't even banned then. How could it result in being thrown out? This was, no doubt, the typical girl-to-girl backstabbing brothel politics. It wasn't about AO. It was about a cat fight.[/QUOTE]Again you misrepresent what I said. I said it was a link so far as could be seen. I come to my conclusion on the basis of probabilities.
Your second paragraph is totally uninformed. When I see an event with my own eyes, and know the whole history, then I report it. You then tell me it was something different as that suits your purposes better: yet you have 0% of the information.
You seem totally committed to knocking anyone who has a different view to you. Other members have the same views as you but don't seem to feel the need to trash the views of those with different views.
Again, your campaign for me to "out" girls who break club rules after 1 July, and to broadcast names and details, has made me 100% resistant and more careful than ever not to report things which I believe will cause harm.
Did you predict that your campaign would in fact deter me from posting. If this is an example of your predictive abilities then maybe you are wrong about the whole subject?