American Politics

[QUOTE=Spidy;2781249] And w/r to crime ridden states, just back check this forum for the answer to that question. I'll give you a clue, it's [b]red states.[/b][/QUOTE]Are you referring to homicides, specifically the Third Way piece that came out in 2022? If so, the correct answer is that the weighted average homicide rate in blue cities or counties is higher than in red cities or counties, while the average rate in red states is higher than in blue states. But looking at the data by state is very deceiving. You've been misled by the same type of faulty analysis that has enabled antivaxxers to correctly state that the population in Israel and parts of the United Kingdom who are vaccinated die at higher rates from COVID than the unvaccinated.

You have to segment the data to see the truth. In the case of homicide rates, you need to segment by county or city. In the case of the vaccine, it's by age group. When you do that, you'll see that homicide rates overall are higher in counties and cities controlled by Democrats, and that the COVID vaccine is effective in preventing severe disease across all age groups.

If you're interested, this effect is called Simpson's Paradox. This explains it in more detail.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2781240]Good lord. Are you now downplaying to the point of shrugging off your beloved winger domestic terrorism along with a lament that the poor fellers just aren't good enough shots to kill all that many Americans anyway while blaming your enemy Dem politicians for all the gun deaths by better shots because they haven't spent more time trying to ban HANDGUNS in America?

Seriously?

Here is why Dem politicians are hyper focused on rightwing terrorism; because it poses the greatest domestic terrorism threat:

[B]DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat.
The documents are slightly different drafts of the same annual threat assessment, which is not yet published.[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236[/URL]

Here is why Dem politicians are hyper focused on semi-automatic assault weapons; because any numbskull can shoot and kill dozens of people really fast without reloading. Oh, and while a typical armed security or police force must stop to reload at about half those shots:

[B]Emboldened Biden, Dems push ban on so-called assault weapons[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/biden-gun-violence-colorado-shootings-f85b4b9a59e3852868950d797f79a351[/URL]

Now, I suppose putting more semi and especially fully automatic weapons in the hands of winger numbskulls, as is the hyper focused goal and dream of your beloved Repubs, will certainly improve their chances of eventually hitting more human body targets and lessen your concern that they "can't shoot straight. " Is that what bothers you so much about those evil, political opportunist Dems' hyper focus on trying to keep a few assault weapons out of the hands of a few rightwing terrorist numbskulls?[/QUOTE]We've wasted a few trillion dollars and killed a lot of people with the war on foreign-grown terror. Now why don't we do the same thing for domestic terrorists! The Democrats can go after the Republican terrorists and the gun owners when they're in power and vice versa. No more Proud Boys or Antifa! Yeah! Put all the Republicans in jail! Or all the Democrats, depending on your political leaning. Clean up America! Let's have a Civil War, like the one between the Liberals and the Conservatives that lasted for decades in Colombia! That's the ticket!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2781247]"[B]Shoetroll[/B]" who does nothing other than roaming the site spewing the same tired vitriol looking to stir shit up just to get a reaction out of others. Don't know why he hasn't been banned already as he contributes absolutely nothing of value.[/QUOTE]Than engage me or go play with your butthole somewhere else you worthless fecal freak!!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2781163]Correct. Everyone on earth cares about money. But Gaetz doesn't need to spend all his time running around fundraising a few thousand here and there because he's already worth tens of millions. It's called Fuck you money. Pretty easy concept to get one's head round, even for you.[/QUOTE]Fuck you money?

1. he's not worth "tens of millions. " His estimated net worth was $312,006 in 2018. Since he hasn't released a financial disclosure since 2016, this is the best number we have.

[URL]https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/matt-gaetz/net-worth?cid=N00039503[/URL]

2. Gaetz raised $6. 3 million in the last 2 years.

Yeah, fuck you money indeed!

3. But your theory that Gaetz's family pays for his political career is also funny as hell. I would expect a 40-year old lawyer to do a little better.

But, yeah, sure, fuck you money, why not?

And please, for the love of god stop bugging me with your dumb questions about Trump's net worth. I'm not his accountant. Presidents are not supposed to be making any money at all while in office, although no rules have ever applied to this fucknut.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2781306]A
What I don't get is why Democratic politicians fight measures tooth and nail that would help convince Republicans of the integrity of elections. No unattended drop boxes, and better verification for mail in ballots for example.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Why indeed?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2781372]Presidents are not supposed to be making any money at all while in office.[/QUOTE]Nor are senators or vice presidents. And yet Joe Biden has become extremely rich despite never having a job other than those three. How do you think he managed that?

(Clue: Ten percent for the Big Guy!

P.S. To answer the question you are unwilling to address, the recently released Trump financial records, which the Democrats breached his civil rights to put out, show that Trump's net worth has decreased since he ran for president. That's probably why the fake news stopped talking about them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2781310]All evidence and data supports that "It's Morning In America" after a historic recovery from the lastest and, worldwide, biggest Repub-initiated economic downturn due to Trump ignoring all dire expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous as to lay the foundation for and create Trump's Pandemic, which, predictably, destroyed global supply-chains, wiped out millions upon millions of jobs, plunged worldwide economies into a near two year paralysis, etc.

And, considering the depth and breadth of this particular Great Repub Downturn, "Morning" has arrived in relative record time!

Thanks, Joe.

[B]Insana says the case is clear that inflation is over[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/13/insana-says-the-case-is-clear-that-inflation-is-over.html[/URL]

[B]US inflation eases grip on economy, falling for a 6th month[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/december-2022-inflation-report-72bb938a443ab0500bd72d23f62214ad[/URL]

Now, let's see if a tiny handful of House Repubs in the Pink Tinkle dare to break with the longstanding Repub tradition of seizing upon any and every opportunity presented to them to Crash the USA Economy and Wipe Out Millions of Jobs or to simply outright produce their own opportunity to do so and this time not do something exceedingly stupid and dangerous regarding the upcoming Debt Ceiling vote.[/QUOTE]Thank you President Biden and Democratic Congressmen for approving spending that will result in $4. 8 trillion of new borrowing! And thank you for passing the $1. 9 trillion American Rescue Plan, which helped bring inflation to the USA before other countries! Perhaps the workingman is 2% worse off in terms of purchasing power than he was when Biden took office. And perhaps the majority of economists believe we’ll go into a recession this year. But now month-on-month inflation is down! And bad, bad Republicans, for wanting to do anything about a public debt to GDP ratio that's over 100% and still climbing! Bad, bad President Trump for creating the Trump Virus and spreading it all over the world!

Morning has arrived!

Can I just sleep in?

[URL]https://www.crfb.org/blogs/biden-administration-has-approved-48-trillion-new-borrowing[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2781167]Trump took the virus a lot more seriously than the dem doofuses in the early days. You'll recall he banned flights from China in January 2020, while Crazy Nancy Pelosi was out on the streets of San Francisco hugging chinamen while stepping over human poop and junkies (the only human contact she gets, judging by her husband's night-time activities with young men in the family home). Biden's handlers issued a statement condemning the ban as "racist" (of course), and the fake news media echoed it as always.

I wonder if the loopy leftists think the democrat plan to allow Chinese flights to operate as normal would have made the covid situation better? The funny thing is, they probably do.[/QUOTE]Donnie the Dumbass didn't [B]ban[/B] flights from China. He "restricted them". In fact, Donnie the Dumbass didn't ban flights from Hong Kong or Macao. So let me ask you this. Do you think that people from Hong Kong and / or Macao have never visited Wuhan? That they have no relatives in Wuhan who may have visited them? What about Chinese citizens who traveled to Europe and then on the the US? Did Donnie the Dumbass ban them? Nope. Do you think that they could have been carrying COVID?

But supporters of Donnie the Dumbass [B]always[/B] bring up his "ban that wasn't". I wonder why that is? Maybe because Donnie the Dumbass said he "banned" flights from China and you believed him? Or that rightwingnut media said that Donnie the Dumbass "banned" flights from China and you believed them? If Donnie's supporters had the brains they think they have, they'd have already figured this shit out. But they don't. And they haven't. All they ever do is call the media that tries to report the truth "fake news". Except, of course, to classify all "facts" that say otherwise as "lies".

Just watch. Chrissie will call the following source "lies" or "fake news" or some other BS because it is by a reputable news organization, the AP. He'll probably also claim that no rightwingnut media organization has said the same thing so AP must be wrong and rightwingnut media must be right. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-anthony-fauci-pandemics-politics-ap-fact-check-d227b34b168e576bf5068b92a03c003d[/URL].

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2781435]Thank you President Biden and Democratic Congressmen for approving spending that will result in $4. 8 trillion of new borrowing! And thank you for passing the $1. 9 trillion American Rescue Plan, which helped bring inflation to the USA before other countries! Perhaps the workingman is 2% worse off in terms of purchasing power than he was when Biden took office. And perhaps the majority of economists believe well go into a recession this year. But now month-on-month inflation is down! And bad, bad Republicans, for wanting to do anything about a public debt to GDP ratio that's over 100% and still climbing! Bad, bad President Trump for creating the Trump Virus and spreading it all over the world!

Morning has arrived!

Can I just sleep in?

[URL]https://www.crfb.org/blogs/biden-administration-has-approved-48-trillion-new-borrowing[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh, so the workingman is "2% worse off", is he? Not the million upon millions whose jobs Trump wiped out with his typically horrific Repub economic stewardship, which Joe and the Dems recovered and created.

Nor for the millions more around the world when the result of that typically horrific Repub economic stewardship produced Trump's Pandemic and crashed global supply-chains.

Nor, for that matter, for the 1 million FEWER workingman jobs that were created by Trump's Repub Tax Cuts and Jobs Act than were created without it along with not one single percentage point increase in GDP growth even before Trump's typically horrific Repub stewardship produced Trump's Pandemic. And to the tune of $1. 5 Trillion - $2. 5 Trillion flushed down the shitter never to be seen again.

And it was brilliant for Joe and the Dems to jam in as much stimulus in the right places and in the right way as patriotic congressional votes would allow in order to get the first order of business going and recovered ASAP, that would be "The Economy Stupid", so it would be even easier for the world to get those Repub-crashed supply-chains off their butts and back in the game ASAP while the strongest national economy on the planet took the earliest Transitory spike in inflation hit in stride, barely suffering a blip on the enthusiastic American consumer spending screen.

That's where heavy lifting is required for these things; in figuring out where the recovery spending will produce the best Real World results possible under the circumstances, as Dems invariably will figure out. Any Repub numbskull can and will come up with some idiotic way to flush $1. 5 Trillion - $2. 5 Trillion down the shitter with zero if not less positive economic gain to show for it. There is no heavy lifting required to do that.

Thanks, Joe Biden. You had the right idea for how to do it quickly, efficiently and with the least amount of prolonged inflation pain possible. Sorry, Larry Summers. You had the wrong idea for how to do that, if you considered that Real World aspect of it at all.

As for the recession that was supposed to be deep and disastrous ever since Biden took office but has yet to materialize enough for anyone to notice but oh will most certainly happen "someday", as so many guessing economists have boldly predicted, yep, the Pink Tinkle House Republicans are poised to work their typically horrific economic stewardship magic on their now greatest opportunity to again plunge America and the rest of the world into another historic Great Repub Crash. It depends on what those deadbeat QAnon Repub Loons do about paying the bills their previous Great Repub Crash cost us.

Time will tell how much damage they do with it. Another Great Repub Crash is a distinct possibility if not a probability. After all, producing those is pretty much the only thing Repubs do for a living. Well, for their government pay, that is. Drag Queen cabaret acts and conning Repub hillbillies out of large chunks of their entitlement checks are their jobs on the side.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2781160]

It explains why the Washington deep state (media / democrats / alphabet agencies / military industrial complex) were so desperate to get President Trump out of office that they rigged the election. He was the first president in 40 years not to start any new wars, so he was eating into their profits and power.

Also shows you just how moronic some of the pro-Biden useful idiots on this forum are. They probably consider themselves some kind of heroic rebel figure, whereas in reality they are shilling against the majority of the American people and businesses, and for war and death.[/QUOTE]Truth is I was a little tired of Trump's personality and having to dominate every headline but I lived it with because of his policies. And of course, the big thing I could always point to with Trump is that he did not start any wars. For all the venom people spewed at him, I would ask, "What he has done that is so fucking terrible?" The absolute worst was when these dumb Dems would go on about how Trump made GW Bush look good. That is when I had known they had lost their minds.

A buddy of mine in shipping told me from the day Biden was sworn into office shipments of things needed to fight a war went up by a gigantic amount under the title of humanitarian aid. So I knew with Biden that wars were going to happen. The fucker was planning on it. When you voted for Biden, you were voting for war. When you voted for Trump, you were voting for peace. And maybe that is why the bureaucrats wanted Trump gone so bad.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2781398]Hmm. Why indeed?[/QUOTE]Good one!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2781158]I'm pretty sure Eihtooms is a satirist. His apparently unintentional hilarity is so brilliantly layered that I can hardly believe it could be real.[/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO! That would explain a lot. Tooms is no dummy, but damn, the flowery picture he paints of the Democratic Party and its infallibility is way over the top.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2781306]
While I may disagree with you from time to time, I've got to admit you're gifted with street smarts and the ability to think out of the box, much more so than I am. This is an example. I've used that argument, about the 96.2%, to try to tell people that the issue of whether the virus is manmade is unsettled. I hadn't thought about whether the genome of the bat virus might have been faked. Still I don't think this is settled. Fauci believes the virus was probably entirely a product of nature, while Robert Redfield believes it was manmade. I don't know nearly as much about this as those two gentlemen and others who are on both sides of this debate, so remain an agnonstic.
[/QUOTE]Oh, I do not know how anyone can be agnostic when you know the facts. Lab leak theory is simple. China was messing around with making a newly found Coronavirus more lethal and had previously bragged about its creation of bioweapons. They mix in Pangolin DNA, as pangolin lung receptors are pretty much identical to ours, into the newly found Corona virus. They create this super potent virus, and it is so potent that normal precautions fail and the first people who got sick were lab workers, and the virus spread. Lab leaks happen all the time, and someone who studies the numbers on lab leaks said that we had a high percentage of a pandemic from a lab leak.

Now you have the naturally occurring theory. This corona virus does not infect bats so the whole sick and rabid vampire bite thing does not apply. On top of that, pangolin roll themselves up in a ball and are hard to bite as their shell is so tough. And this original coronavirus was spread through respiratory droplets. So we have some animal presumably a bat who hangs over the head of a pangolin long enough to infect it or maybe the pangolin crawled deep into that bat cave and inhaled the virus that way. I am not sure a pangolin could even get into that cave, but the virus mutates in Pangolin X to the point the new and deadlier form of Coronavirus is made. And amazingly you could not have designed a more infectious and deadly form. And now Pangolin X for some reason walks 900 miles from the bat cave in China close to the Wuhan lab and wet market. It makes it this 900 miles even though it is sick and somehow does not infect any other species including humans along the way. Now near the Wuhan wet market and lab there and only there it infects dozens of people and starts the pandemic. Oh and by the way, no one has seen or caught this pangolin or any pangolin like it. And there is no evidence that this happened but if you do not believe this theory, which is really a fucking fairy tale, then Fauci et al think you are a conspiracy theory whack job nut.

So in my world, the only rational people who believe the naturally occurring theory are those who create deadly viruses in labs and the saps they were able to fool. I get that a person may not know but they should know if they have all the facts.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2781420]Nor are senators or vice presidents. And yet Joe Biden has become extremely rich despite never having a job other than those three. How do you think he managed that?

(Clue: Ten percent for the Big Guy!

P.S. To answer the question you are unwilling to address, the recently released Trump financial records, which the Democrats breached his civil rights to put out, show that Trump's net worth has decreased since he ran for president. That's probably why the fake news stopped talking about them.[/QUOTE]Are you done with your self-contradictory BS about that Trumpist POS named Gaetz? Thank you.

Let's move to Biden, then.

Biden's fortune came between his political appointments, from 2017 to 2021, but you already know that, don't you? He got rich from books and lectures. I have no idea what "10%" you're blabbering about.

Trump, on the other hand, went to WH with an INTENTION to further enrich himself. That it didn't work out the way he wanted to, thank his Dumb and Dumber split personality disorder, but it wasn't from the lack of trying.

Even then, there is a matter of his other frauds: $250 million he scammed from his moronic supporters to "fight the steal", $100 million for the "Save America" PAC and who knows what else. Sure, sure, it's not his money technically, wink-wink.

[URL]https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-26/republican-party-donald-trump-fundraising[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-23/jan-6-report-says-donald-trump-s-stop-the-steal-funds-diverted-in-rip-off[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2781315]We've wasted a few trillion dollars and killed a lot of people with the war on foreign-grown terror. Now why don't we do the same thing for domestic terrorists! The Democrats can go after the Republican terrorists and the gun owners when they're in power and vice versa. No more Proud Boys or Antifa! Yeah! Put all the Republicans in jail! Or all the Democrats, depending on your political leaning. Clean up America! Let's have a Civil War, like the one between the Liberals and the Conservatives that lasted for decades in Colombia! That's the ticket![/QUOTE]Let's have a Civil War.

I want to be the 1st to sign up!!

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2781575]Good one!

ROTFLMAO! That would explain a lot. Tooms is no dummy, but damn, the flowery picture he paints of the Democratic Party and its infallibility is way over the top.[/QUOTE]Bangkok Bob (ala Baghdad Bob).