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Hi,
I am going to be in Angeles City on January 7-14. It is going to be my first trip and want to see if there will be anybody around to show a newbie the ropes.
Let me know if you will be there during that time and if so let's meet up for a beer.
Cheers!
Run
is i'd check is commen in ac? hope all the girls in bars are 18+? is **** scams are happening in ac too?
i prefer to ply safe.
thanks a lot in advance for help.
tmt
Right. I was taking girls out of the "Pasha Group" bars some group of Germans own. It's like 2000 PHP barfine across the board. WTF? And the girls live exactly in the back, like 4 to a room, and they have to walk past the mama's room to go in and out. There's not much wiggle room.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354610]IDK. I've tried a lot but I rarely get girls to come outside of work, even if I've taken them several times before, even if they'll get more money that way (like 1000 PHP instead of 50% of a 1800 PHP barfine). They always say they can't because they'll get fired from the bar. That's been my biggest problem in AC. Any advice here?[/QUOTE]The reasons are,
1. If they live in the dorm setting provided by the bar they are expected to be home all the time. It works out lot cheaper for the girls to live like this although many a girl said it is basic at best and toilet and bath facilities are mediocre. Other side of the coin is it is safe compared to if they rent their own place. And they have some friends to do things like shopping with.
2. All girls are jealous of each other and will gladly squeal on other girl's activities.
3. They can get kicked out and need to find a job in a hurry. Generally they will not kicked out of the job for first offense according to the girls but a warning will be given. But they can always find another job.
These girls live hand to mouth with most of the money going to family, boyfriend.
Some bars pay per diem very well and it will be hard to find the same job. Big bars pay 200 pesos per day and that makes 6000 min per month not counting ladydrinks and barfine and tips.
4. These girls are from the villages with scruples. Do not want to sneak around which they know is bad.
Having said all these there are some girls who will come to make extra money. More and more it is for their steady customers.
If only we could hand out our business cards with phone numbers to all the girls we like?
[QUOTE=Surfer11; 1354669]Hi,
I am going to be in Angeles City on January 7-14. It is going to be my first trip and want to see if there will be anybody around to show a newbie the ropes.
Let me know if you will be there during that time and if so let's meet up for a beer.
Cheers!
Run[/QUOTE]I will be there Jan 6 until the 12 this will be my first time as well. Pay for the membership here and we can PM each other and make arrangments to meet once in AC.
Chris Long
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1354631]Gentlemen, there is one big factor which is being ignored in this barrage of whingeing about prices in bars.
And that is, local economics.
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Stop complaining, and stop trying to undercut the bars. The girls will come out for customers after hours because they are desperate for the money. For you to undercut the bar with the barfine is equivalent to theft. The girls have a contract with the bar, and you are encouraging them to breach their conditions of contract.[/QUOTE]Well said Gangles. As someone who owned a bar (long ago) I can say that you are absolutely on the money.
Gives me the shits when I see guys bitching and moaning about paying $1. 50 for a beer, while sitting in air-conditioned comfort watching dancers, and then big-noting about how they saved the bar fine by picking up the girl later that night.
Guys, if you are that low on money (or just tight) , go drink in the outdoor bars, pay $1 a beer and put up with the exhaust fumes etc and grab the roughies that work in them. You want the benefits of the big bars, such as aircon, better looking pussy etc, you need to realise it comes at a price. Fair enough if you don't want to pay it, but don't stoop to effectively robbing the people who are providing those facilities.
You guys should realise that if everyone adopted your attitudes, there would be no big bars in AC, no nice cool places to sit while you have an "overpriced" beer, and it would be just like sitting around at a sari-sari store.
Not that this will change any attitudes, but needed to be said.
[QUOTE=Gangles; 1354622]It is natural for all females, of all species, to try to bear offspring as often, and as soon as possible.
Western female humans have been brainwashed, mostly by the feminist movement, to believe that it is unusual to behave this way, and women should wait to have one or two children until after they have had their fun, and career. But this is not natural.
In every species, the female tries to mate with a male with the best genetics that she can find. To a lower class pinay, it is obvious that western men have superior genetics, and the best that she is likely to be able to get. So she goes for it.[/QUOTE]These ideas are at least partially consistent with a book that came out a few years ago, entitled *Sex at Dawn. A fascinating book by a married couple, he a California-trained evolutionary psychologist, she a psychiatrist of Indian descent. Their core argument is that monogamy is a human creation, not an innate response in humans. They point to the many hunting and gathering societies, and even a few persistent cultures still in existence, where women quite naturally mate with various different men. In those settings paternal responsibility falls to the community, not to an individual male. They argue that monogamy arose when hunting and gathering or communal property systems gave way to agricultural systems built on individual land ownership. Because men (and probably women) wanted to be sure to hand down ownership to their own children, they needed proof of paternity / maternity, and so they created institutions to enforce (insofar as possible) fidelity.
They concur that a woman wants to mate with males whose offspring will be as viable as possible, but she might also want to scope out other men who will be more likely to stick around and feather the nest after the mating is done. Following their argument, the Pinay's reason for mating with the foreigner might be either of these two inclinations.
The authors lay out a long and variegated argument, propped up with lots of bits of evidence. Decide for yourself whether the arguments hold up.
Some guys in here say bar fines are for newbs. Can I add one more to that? How about guys like me on a cheap holiday? Last trip I got a prepaid sim card. All I need now is a phone to use it with. Cheap way is best especially when you are between jobs as it were. LOL.
On a bit of a side note, the airfares from Clark to BKK. I just got one for New Years Eve. Couldn't believe this but 1700 peso one way all in. How do they make money on that? (Tigerair.) Unbelievable!
Less not forget that besides the overall maintenance fees associated with running a bar (I hear electricity is pretty damn expensive per month just in itself) If the bar owner or manager is a foreigner, especially US, Aussie or British they will have to be paying extortion fees to the Philippine government and local police to avoid any problems. Also The bars that have no girls are the bars that the guys will not go to so they have to have the girls behaving to attract the customers. I have talked to a few managers in my time and all have said that the profit margin is very slim if any. A few guys told me that sometimes they lose money in a month and that they have to pony up the difference from there personal accounts. Every ones heard those horror stories of how guys have gone flat broke BUYING into a bar right?
If this works for you more power to you and I am happy for you. However I would like to avoid the inevitable scenario of having a girl or girls showing up at my hotel asking reception to ring my room and me having another girl in the room already. This will 1 [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the girl I have to blow off in the lobby and 2 make me explain to the girl in my room why I have another girlfriend which will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off also and she will get moody
[QUOTE=Hatguy;1354829]Some guys in here say bar fines are for newbs. Can I add one more to that? How about guys like me on a cheap holiday? Last trip I got a prepaid sim card. All I need now is a phone to use it with.[/QUOTE]LOL. Damn Hat you put the cart before the horse.
[QUOTE=Hatguy;1354829]On a bit of a side note, the airfares from Clark to BKK. I just got one for New Years Eve. Couldn't believe this but 1700 peso one way all in. How do they make money on that? (Tigerair.) Unbelievable![/QUOTE]Slow down Tito. I'm about to tell you how they make money on it. You need to go back on and try to prepay for your luggage or else the bar girls will not be the only ones getting fucked. I travel with my scuba gear so I always try to prepay for oversize. When checking in for that flight in March everyone was pissed when they were finding out one by one the price they would have to pay for their luggage, in most cases more than the ticket cost. I threw my gear bag onto the scale. The guy made some calculations and said you have to pay X pesos. As proud as a peacock I said bullshit, I prepaid for mine. He didn't see any record of it. I brought out my folder and showed him my proof of purchase. He had shit on his face. I took my boarding pass and walked to the immigration line with a big grin on my face.
P.S. The option that I chose for the baggage was "sports equipment". It was an additional 1300 pesos, which brought my total to 4600 pesos from CRK to BKK. I am about to book one for next February and I see that there are other prepaid baggage options. 15kg 530p, 20kg 600p, 25kg 1300p, 30kg 2500p. I always carry a luggage scale with me so I will already know the weight of my check in and can put the rest of my junk in my backpack. They also have this disclaimer in the same section: Please note that all check-in bags are now charged per passenger sector. One hand carry bag per passenger is allowed free* of charge, subject to a maximum weight of 7kg.
Old wisdom says a good trick is to wear as much as possible.
Be a bit tricky boarding with flippers on though. LOL.
Guess you could disguise the weightbelt as Batman's Utility Belt, keeping your jeans up. ; )
But yeah, baggage is a trap. My luggage scales were about $A5 on ebay. Bargain.
[quote]These ideas are at least partially consistent with a book that came out a few years ago, entitled *Sex at Dawn. A fascinating book by a married couple, he a California-trained evolutionary psychologist, she a psychiatrist of Indian descent. Their core argument is that monogamy is a human creation, not an innate response in humans. They point to the many hunting and gathering societies, and even a few persistent cultures still in existence, where women quite naturally mate with various different men. In those settings paternal responsibility falls to the community, not to an individual male. They argue that monogamy arose when hunting and gathering or communal property systems gave way to agricultural systems built on individual land ownership. Because men (and probably women) wanted to be sure to hand down ownership to their own children, they needed proof of paternity / maternity, and so they created institutions to enforce (insofar as possible) fidelity.[/quote]Read it. Obviously true. But the book is just a rehash of the argument Frederich Engels made in 1884 (read: "The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State" you can find it free online).
How much shit are you guys bring for a week or two stay? If you have anything more than a carry on for that, you have serious problems.
[quote]Big bars pay 200 pesos per day[/quote]$4. 75 a day? Oh boy. Where do I sign up?
Seriously, it's fucked.