German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2214537]I never paid any extra for AO fucking, BBBJ, or kissing, and I will never pay. Oana was cute and smiling, but not at all a top class model type. Because I discovered World on end of January 2014, pretty Samanta was my first girl for a great first room, but she blocked in mind on next Saturday, too GFE sex for her, so I discovered Oana and EMA now Andrea with weight at Oase, for weekly rooms. After about 1 month of weekly rooms, Oana just tried to fuck me as a newbie, when EMA / Andrea always stayed lovely, even when I stopped for Isabella and Madi, and still at Oase when I see her, always saying: long time, I didn't see you. But some members needed to write about before being able to think a bit about the ridiculous, some need so much to gossip about other guys, they even pay time in room for this. As say some of my girls who are bullshit about me: You must be the guy with most jealousy about You..[/QUOTE]I know you are veteran, but for me, I have not paid extra for BBBJ yet, but I have paid up to 150 euro per hour session in club like Palace, for other clubs mostly one hour session get me all, but I am feeling this is just matter of time. However, once, I did pay 200 euro per hour session in palace for Jennifer two cum back in the days when she once used to be beautiful, now declined. FKK business do either make girl look tired fast, or put tattoos, big lip surgery, or tit job or all I mentioned in matter of time LOL.

I kinda thought wrx sti or lancer evolution or some kind of rally car would be good travel compadre for your every weekend 1000 km trip plus the mountain hobby so And 30000 euro can get those car in Europe too I think.

NRW region is still OK for me with some negotiation in oceans, but I am feeling it is matter of time and I do think we had golden era till last July where 50 euro or 60 euro in Artemis can get you minimum DATY, BBBJ and fuck and even DFK if you are lucky, I even got rim twice included in those price, but that is rare. It was good golden days.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2214795]Yes, some give very big money to WGs, sometimes taking bank credit, unfortunately some also kill WGs like one ex Sharks. Unfortunately, FKK land is not land of cleverness, to be able to understand it's just a game, to be able to enjoy, or not.[/QUOTE]I heard the story took place in Dolce Vita parking plot few years ago and I got to know it through palace girl as apparently the victim girl once worked at palace.

Apparently victim girl was doing the same mind game on attacker who was a client of hers and I imagine managed to pull some large cash out of the attacker guy who once was client who thought he is more than client. She ended up paying with her life and so as him. Scary crazy story.

It is hard to believe how much FKK has different purpose for each guy, for me I do not like any string attached with girls so I like being monger, but for some guys. They go to brothel to find love of their life?.

I do think some FKK girls are actually good spirited and I respect how much they managed to stay strong and still good heart in such hard situation of working in FKK, but that is where I stop. But I guess some guys do not have good brake, I guess they need Porsche ceramic brake install to their mind, evo or wrx sti braked are not good enough for them.

I even got problem for paying more than 50 euro extra for GFE service LOL.

As a newbie about to take my first trip to Frankfurt for the FKK experience, I was curious how smokey I should expect the clubs to be. I'm assuming most of the girls are smokers (goes hand in hand with the business in my experience), and I know there is smoking in the clubs, but are there non smoking areas? I can handle it, just curious what to expect.

I'll be sticking tot he clubs around Frankfurt, Sharks, Main, Oase, etc.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2214850]I heard the story took place in Dolce Vita parking plot few years ago and I got to know it through palace girl as apparently the victim girl once worked at palace.

Apparently victim girl was doing the same mind game on attacker who was a client of hers and I imagine managed to pull some large cash out of the attacker guy who once was client who thought he is more than client. She ended up paying with her life and so as him. Scary crazy story.

It is hard to believe how much FKK has different purpose for each guy, for me I do not like any string attached with girls so I like being monger, but for some guys. They go to brothel to find love of their life?.

I do think some FKK girls are actually good spirited and I respect how much they managed to stay strong and still good heart in such hard situation of working in FKK, but that is where I stop. But I guess some guys do not have good brake, I guess they need Porsche ceramic brake install to their mind, evo or wrx sti braked are not good enough for them.

I even got problem for paying more than 50 euro extra for GFE service LOL.[/QUOTE]Ex Sharks girl was killed I think in a hotel between Darmstadt and Frankfurt.

I see you know a bit about car technique, WRX or Lancer engines would not resist for long from 90000 kms per year full speed on autobahn, so on more than 6500 rounds / mn. Rallyes are 400 kms.

Yes some guys become really crazy about girls. They should look better at them going to be fucked by other guys.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2214848]I know you are veteran, but for me, I have not paid extra for BBBJ yet, but I have paid up to 150 euro per hour session in club like Palace, for other clubs mostly one hour session get me all, but I am feeling this is just matter of time. However, once, I did pay 200 euro per hour session in palace for Jennifer two cum back in the days when she once used to be beautiful, now declined. FKK business do either make girl look tired fast, or put tattoos, big lip surgery, or tit job or all I mentioned in matter of time LOL.

I kinda thought wrx sti or lancer evolution or some kind of rally car would be good travel compadre for your every weekend 1000 km trip plus the mountain hobby so And 30000 euro can get those car in Europe too I think.

NRW region is still OK for me with some negotiation in oceans, but I am feeling it is matter of time and I do think we had golden era till last July where 50 euro or 60 euro in Artemis can get you minimum DATY, BBBJ and fuck and even DFK if you are lucky, I even got rim twice included in those price, but that is rare. It was good golden days.[/QUOTE]No veteran, no specialist, I just hate to speak about money with girls because it kill my desire which need a bit of illusion. I paid 40/30 mn for Kate at Aca, now I pay 50 at GT. I paid 50/30 mn in Hessen for Isabella, Megan, Katalina, now I pay 130 at Globe. No problem for me, I just want to pay club rate without speaking about money with the girl. I don t want to pay for extras, I let my manners with women make the job. Usually it doesn't work so bad, and they return to me, even most are among the busiest. Behavior pay like money, with girls.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2214901]As a newbie about to take my first trip to Frankfurt for the FKK experience, I was curious how smokey I should expect the clubs to be. I'm assuming most of the girls are smokers (goes hand in hand with the business in my experience), and I know there is smoking in the clubs, but are there non smoking areas? I can handle it, just curious what to expect.

I'll be sticking tot he clubs around Frankfurt, Sharks, Main, Oase, etc.[/QUOTE]In sharks, you can smoke everywhere and people do so. In Oase, the smoking area is slightly away from no smoking area. Palace and Mainhattan have got separate enclosures for smokers.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2214951]Ex Sharks girl was killed I think in a hotel between Darmstadt and Frankfurt.

I see you know a bit about car technique, WRX or Lancer engines would not resist for long from 90000 kms per year full speed on autobahn, so on more than 6500 rounds / mn. Rallyes are 400 kms.

Yes some guys become really crazy about girls. They should look better at them going to be fucked by other guys.[/QUOTE]90000 km per year? That is amount of km you drive per year? I mean to FKK it make sense from France.

Yeah rally car or any sport car won't last without maintenance for 90000 km. Per year, but then go for Toyota best reliability LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2214955]No veteran, no specialist, I just hate to speak about money with girls because it kill my desire which need a bit of illusion. I paid 40/30 mn for Kate at Aca, now I pay 50 at GT. I paid 50/30 mn in Hessen for Isabella, Megan, Katalina, now I pay 130 at Globe. No problem for me, I just want to pay club rate without speaking about money with the girl. I don t want to pay for extras, I let my manners with women make the job. Usually it doesn't work so bad, and they return to me, even most are among the busiest. Behavior pay like money, with girls.[/QUOTE]Well try palace German table, there is 50 euro session, but that ain't much at least for German table and co. Other girls can be good for standard session, but in palace that is even rare too if they are stunners.

Nrw for that is best beside oceans.

Artemis used to be good club as I did get sometimes to find stunner who provide all for 60 euro, but now it is almost as upsell as palace, I stopped going there. Used to be such a good diverse line up club.

I do not mind paying up but not more than 150 euro per hour max. I do think 50 euro rate is bit low for girls as they often say, if it is just 50 euro sessions all day, they cannot make living and their body cannot resist it as end up in too much session where guy is fresh as beast, girls are tired each bang, which kind of I understand. I just do not like hard upselling. Some members reported some girls asking 300 euro etc. I never had that hardcore ones, usually it is 150 euro, but soon I may be facing 100 euro 30 min session offer in some places like at palace German table or hamburg I never been yet. I may just stick to NRW and fly into Zurich routine.

Java: Looks like I can't subscribe, as I'm from the US as well and they won't allow transactions. Perhaps we could coordinate here? Monday or Tuesday the 27th and 28th are best for me. It would be good to have a partner in crime to share adventures. Get in touch of you think we can work it out. If not, good luck and have fun!

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2214353]My first trip to Germany also. I'll be in Frankfurt during your stay. I also have a friend who lives near Frankfurt. (We're from Amerika, hope you won't hold that against us. LOL) You'll have to subscribe in order to PM, so we can coordinate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2215211]Well try palace German table, there is 50 euro session, but that ain't much at least for German table and co. Other girls can be good for standard session, but in palace that is even rare too if they are stunners.

Nrw for that is best beside oceans.

Artemis used to be good club as I did get sometimes to find stunner who provide all for 60 euro, but now it is almost as upsell as palace, I stopped going there. Used to be such a good diverse line up club.

I do not mind paying up but not more than 150 euro per hour max. I do think 50 euro rate is bit low for girls as they often say, if it is just 50 euro sessions all day, they cannot make living and their body cannot resist it as end up in too much session where guy is fresh as beast, girls are tired each bang, which kind of I understand. I just do not like hard upselling. Some members reported some girls asking 300 euro etc. I never had that hardcore ones, usually it is 150 euro, but soon I may be facing 100 euro 30 min session offer in some places like at palace German table or hamburg I never been yet. I may just stick to NRW and fly into Zurich routine.[/QUOTE]In general the prices are not going up except for tourist or guys who are obviously not german, the trend is getting more service for less money just because the clubs are full of girls and the number of customers willing to spend cash is reducing year by year, so many guys with migration background just willing or able to spend 50 euros because most of them are married and they are low demanding, no kissing, licking but yes fucking sometimes hard but if the girls can t accept it so many jobs available in Germany everywhere and far better for the girls that to open their legs and mouths day after day.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2215211]I do not mind paying up but not more than 150 euro per hour max. I do think 50 euro rate is bit low for girls as they often say, if it is just 50 euro sessions all day, they cannot make living[/QUOTE]Let's say a woman gets 10 x €50 sessions per day, which will average about 1.5 hours of active sex per day. If she works 22 days per month, allowing for 4 x 2 day breaks plus one extra day per month. This works out to about €11,000 per month. Using a high average of 50% taxation, if she declared 100% of her earnings as taxable income, I highly doubt there is any WG doing this, then she would have about €5500 left after income tax plus social tax less operating expenses. So completely taxed, after expenses, €5500 for 33 hours of sex acts is about €166 per hour of sex. Of course there is her other time, sitting, waiting, sucking up drinks and sucking on cigarettes but I'm focusing just on the sex acts.

Even if you count the long hours, including all the time she spends in the club, then €5500 per month after tax and expenses is still quite survivable, especially considering that it's over double the average net salary in Germany, France, Spain, Belgium, The NL, Italy and almost every other leading European country. Even if the girls sent a double monthly net salary back home to Romania, they would still be way above the average for the countries they are living in.

The big difference, sex workers are like professional athletes, most don't stay in their prime for ten years, unless they work at GT Bruggen. Most spend crazy money on vacations, cars, clothes, etc. One of the best things the legislation could have done would have been to provide investment counseling and possibly incentive programs for the ladies to be financially responsible. I have discussed assets vs things with several ladies in the clubs. A couple have listened, the rest have bought that new car, new Rolex, spent €10 k on a one week vacation to Ibiza.

If a lady in the club says she can't survive at €50 per half hour, take her to McDonald's and stand her behind the counter and let her give that a try. There she will find other people with similar backgrounds, working hard to actually be able to just survive. Who knows, maybe she will recruit some nice girls to come and join her at the clubs when she realizes how good she actually had it. I've seen quite a few girls behind the McDonald's counter who's education fund I would be happy to make a donation to.

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;2215010]In sharks, you can smoke everywhere and people do so. In Oase, the smoking area is slightly away from no smoking area. Palace and Mainhattan have got separate enclosures for smokers.[/QUOTE]Sharks is big warehouse kinda place, so ceiling is very high, which help to clear the smoke away, therefore it did not bother me much.

Beside Frankfurt. If anyone do not like smoke, stay away from Artemis that is for sure. As for gt I hear it became non smoking in main bar area recently.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2215315]If a lady in the club says she can't survive at 50 per half hour, take her to McDonald's and stand her behind the counter and let her give that a try. There she will find other people with similar backgrounds, working hard to actually be able to just survive. Who knows, maybe she will recruit some nice girls to come and join her at the clubs when she realizes how good she actually had it. I've seen quite a few girls behind the McDonald's counter who's education fund I would be happy to make a donation to.[/QUOTE]Or you can send her in an Amazon warehouse to prepare the packages, I'm sure it will be a lot easier physically speaking and she'll make a lot more money.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2215315]Let's say a woman gets 10 x 50 sessions per day, which will average about 1.5 hours of active sex per day. If she works 22 days per month, allowing for 4 x 2 day breaks plus one extra day per month. This works out to about 11,000 per month. Using a high average of 50% taxation, if she declared 100% of her earnings as taxable income, I highly doubt there is any WG doing this, then she would have about 5500 left after income tax plus social tax less operating expenses. So completely taxed, after expenses, 5500 for 33 hours of sex acts is about 166 per hour of sex. Of course there is her other time, sitting, waiting, sucking up drinks and sucking on cigarettes but I'm focusing just on the sex acts..[/QUOTE]You missed my point and also what some of the girls were saying in club.

Look if all clients just mostly go for 50 euro, what those girls meant and I meant was that their body cannot take it.

I mean 50 euro and usually girls shoot for 500 euro minimum and some often say they are shooting for 1000 euro per day, so just imagine how much rooms she got to do if most or all clients are just 50 euro per 30 min.

I also think comparing their work to average salary is not fair as FKK is special kind of work.

What I meant and girls meant is that just 50 euro sessions all day is too much for their physical human body.

I understand there are girls who support their living via behind MacDonald counters or waitress etc doing their best, but I also give some understanding to girls who says she cannot do 50 euro per 30 min sessions only then her body cannot take it as well.

However that does not mean I will fall for the crazy up sell LOL. I do however do not mind going for longer session for one hour as long as I can cum two times. Max I pay up is 150 euro per hour, as long as session is good and this is only in certain club like palace German table. Other places are still ok to my experience so far. Ah also Artemis became hardcore upsell club.

After lurking for the past year or two, I finally checked out a couple FKKs in person. I went to Oase and Sharks, and both lived up to the hype. Several of the girls mentioned connecting with me on WhatsApp and FaceBook. I avoided subject, because I don't know the risks. Are there any risks to connecting with these girls on social media? I use my real name in all of my social media accounts. Is there risk of blackmail? Identity theft? Robbery? Or are they just trying to maintain the interest of a client to guarantee I go with them next time I visit?