Safe Sex

[QUOTE=MrClen;1738719]Now this is really interesting and important. Lets hope the drug companies don't squish it!

[URL]http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/teens-invent-condom-that-changes-color-upon-std-detection/ar-AAc2gQb?ocid=ansMSNHealth11[/URL][/QUOTE]There are a couple of problems with a condom that changes color when it comes into contact with STDS:

1. If you're using a condom why does it matter if she has STDs? That's what condoms are for, preventing you from catching STDs.

2. If she does have STDs, that won't become apparent until after you've started having sex with her. If you could catch the STD even with a condom on, then you're already at risk of catching it.

Also what STDs does it test for and how accurate are its results?

[QUOTE=ItsMyPiv;1746670]There are a couple of problems with a condom that changes color when it comes into contact with STDS:

1. If you're using a condom why does it matter if she has STDs? That's what condoms are for, preventing you from catching STDs.

2. If she does have STDs, that won't become apparent until after you've started having sex with her. If you could catch the STD even with a condom on, then you're already at risk of catching it.

Also what STDs does it test for and how accurate are its results?[/QUOTE]The web page cited in the previous report says "The condom, called the S. T. EYE, has a built-in indictor that turns different colors when it detects a strain of bacteria, including chlamydia and syphilis. " The most significant risk is not from bacteria but from viruses such as herpes simplex, condyloma (genital warts) caused by human papilloma virus, and HIV. The first two of these are acquired through skin-to-skin contact. With the usual rolled-on male condom you are likely to have skin-to-skin contact around the base of your penis despite wearing a condom (which mostly ruins the experience, anyway). I estimate the usual rolled-on condom provides about 65% protection from herpes and condyloma. With the female condom (best in my opinion with the inner loop removed and placed on the penis) that level of skin-to-skin protection rises to about 99% (and with the added benefit of much more normal sensation or feeling, especially if you have a lubricant [U]inside[/U] the condom). See [URL] http://www.avert.org/female-condom.htm [/URL]. A possibly even safer condom is the Unique condom, [URL]http://en.condomcard.com/product/unique-free/[/URL], which covers much of the area around the base of the penis, from the looks of it on the YouTube video a link to which you'll find in one of the previous reports (below, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8kUYHaCgG8[/URL]), possibly even better than the Female Condom. I doubt the accuracy and reliability of the STD-detecting condom, and the observation about the indication of STD coming too late is of course true.

Last I heard it was only an idea, if I'm not wrong pitched by some indian teenagers. Is it available to use now?

[QUOTE=ItsMyPiv;1746670]There are a couple of problems with a condom that changes color when it comes into contact with STDS:

1. If you're using a condom why does it matter if she has STDs? That's what condoms are for, preventing you from catching STDs.

2. If she does have STDs, that won't become apparent until after you've started having sex with her. If you could catch the STD even with a condom on, then you're already at risk of catching it.

Also what STDs does it test for and how accurate are its results?[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I have had an incident recently where condom broke during vaginal sex with a sex worker. Although the girl said she has been working for only 2-3 weeks and before that didn't work in her native country, I went for the conservative approach and saw the doc within 24 hrs. I am on PEP now and taking pills regularly.

Just needed advise on following:

A) Anything I should avoid eating or drinking while on PEP?

B) When should I get tested and how often after PEP?

C) Is there a risk PEP does not work? What is the probability?

D) Does PEP only prevent HIV or other STD's?

Thanks.

Vik.

PEP is for HIV depending on the drugs that is if they are retroviral only. Though there are some drugs to prevent bacterial and fungal stds.

No food limitations.

Get HIV checked now, after 1,3,6 months.

If negative after 6 months you are free.

Don't worry the risk of getting HIV after condom breakage in one intercourse is low.

[QUOTE=VikPunter;1798847]Hi,

I have had an incident recently where condom broke during vaginal sex with a sex worker. Although the girl said she has been working for only 2-3 weeks and before that didn't work in her native country, I went for the conservative approach and saw the doc within 24 hrs. I am on PEP now and taking pills regularly.

Just needed advise on following:

A) Anything I should avoid eating or drinking while on PEP?

B) When should I get tested and how often after PEP?

C) Is there a risk PEP does not work? What is the probability?

D) Does PEP only prevent HIV or other STD's?

Thanks.

Vik.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1513671]Brushing your teeth before DFK or DATY is actually not a good idea since brushing is most likely to cause small wounds in your gums. Mouthwash will not help against virus particles and will be of little help against bacteria. I don't think the anti-bacterial effect of mouthwash will kill all bacteria, but it will be better than nothing.[/QUOTE]Interesting question re mouthwash a few years back. I've had several girls who have washed my penis with iodine before and after the deed, and also asked me to rinse my mouth if I wanted to do DATY. Not sure if better than mouthwash, any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1798931]Interesting question re mouthwash a few years back. I've had several girls who have washed my penis with iodine before and after the deed, and also asked me to rinse my mouth if I wanted to do DATY. Not sure if better than mouthwash, any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Iodine is a broad spectrum antiseptic. That is why it is used in hospitals. It should work better than mouthwash. A poster on another board claimed to have success with mixing about 10% bleach in water. He even uses an eye dropper to put some in his urethra (ouch). He claims to have been doing bareback intercourse for 30 years with working girls without catching anything. For mouthwash he uses hydrogen peroxide though, not bleach.

Thanks MuscleHetero for your comments.

Which tests should I get done in 1,3 and 6 months? Should it be PCR or antigen?

Sound funny but true, I lost the condom while fucking my last provider while I was in Hawaii.

This girl got so damn wet that I couldn't feel it come off, and what is most interesting is that we couldn't find it. Not on the bed, in the sheets, or on the floor. The only thing I could think of is that it came off in her pussy and got lodged towards the back, because she deep fingered herself and couldn't find it.

Anyway I post this post here because I always practice safe sex when I'm mongering but it's not 100% all the time.

Stay safe brothers!

Billy.

[QUOTE=VikPunter;1798847]Hi,

I have had an incident recently where condom broke during vaginal sex with a sex worker. Although the girl said she has been working for only 2-3 weeks and before that didn't work in her native country, I went for the conservative approach and saw the doc within 24 hrs. I am on PEP now and taking pills regularly.

Just needed advise on following:

A) Anything I should avoid eating or drinking while on PEP?

B) When should I get tested and how often after PEP?

C) Is there a risk PEP does not work? What is the probability?

D) Does PEP only prevent HIV or other STD's?

Thanks.

Vik.[/QUOTE]It takes about 4 to sex weeks to get accurate result regarding STD's. 24 hours gap is too less.

[QUOTE=JohnDough;1692708]I have been researching the Unique condoms and found they are manufactured in Colombia. I found their web site and I see that in Colombia they have a couple of different versions. The one that interests me the most is the Unique Free.

[URL]http://en.condomcard.com/product/unique-free/[/URL]

"This condom has a ring on the base for fast and easy posture. The pubic areas are covered, providing greater protection and preventing the spread of many infections transmitted through bodily fluids. ".

Here is a video showing the Unique Free, with the wide flange at the base that covers the pubic area.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8kUYHaCgG8[/URL]

Here is another video showing testing of the Unique condoms:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6bG4Y-IgE4[/URL]

I haven't yet been able to find a source for these. I tried to buy one online from Colombia, but the site wasn't set up for international shipping. The Pasante Unique is available for international delivery from Europe, but the flange at the bottom is smaller.[/QUOTE]The problem with the traditional condom design is the need for the user to grab the condom to remove it after copulation. This requires the user to touch the sexual fluids released during copulation. This less than sanitary means for removing the condom after use increases the chances for contracting sexually transmitted diseases such as syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia infections, genital herpes simplex virus (HVS) infections, genital human papillomavirus (HPV) infections, hepatitis A infection, hepatitis be infection, cytomegalovirus infections, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS).

(this slightly edited info is copied from a patent text cited below).

Recently, the scroguard and one new product scrotector has been launched. (please search in google to know more).

The condom is not a part of the scroguard and that is precisely the problem with scroguard. The condom has to be removed separately. No matter how careful you are. The removal of the condom does require touching the shaft of the penis and the outer surface of the condom (coated with female fluids) and while removal / unrolling. Some fluid does get on the fingers and on the penis shaft and even glans penis. Moreover, there is a constricted space just in between the glans penis and the shaft and at times the ring the of condom may fall in this constricted space (get tightened and stuck) and has to be pulled out. In short. The removal / unrolling of condom is a contaminating process and is not fool proof and 100% safe. However, if the condom was attached to the scroguard or if there was such a thing which covered the scrotum / waist or at least was covering area beyond the base of the penis (the pubes and the scrotum) or was just a kind of big flap at the base of the condom and the flap could be held to slowly remove / unroll the condom without needing to touch the shaft of the penis or to directly hold the condom to unroll it. It would have prevented this contamination danger. Such a device along with scroguard would have been total foolproof for penetration. I was wondering whether scrotector is such a device or if there is any other device. That can be used with scroguard for penetration.

And for CBJ. Such a device would have been enough and scroguard would not be needed only for CBJ. I was wondering whether scrotector is such a device or if there is any other device.

So, a flange / flap at the bottom of condom is what can help. The flange / flap can be used to gently roll off the condom without needing to touch the condom or the penis shaft. Such a condom with a flap or flange may be used with or without scroguard or if both scroguard type stuff and the flap / flange condom could be part of one unit. That may be better.

I found details of a condom with flap in a US patent: US5419341. Please google to know more.

In short, I have found the following as "safe" condoms or add-ONS:

StarTech condoms (search ISG).

Condom card (see above).

Scroguard (search ISG for weblinks).

Scrotector (Search internet for website).

US5419341 (search internet to see the patent details. Please read the 'third problem' in the text and see both the images. Particularly the second image where the condom is being removed).

I request you guys to let me know if there is any such safe condom with the flange or flap at the bottom. And how can I get in India? My PM is active.

I am in India and the the ISG rules at the India forum prohibit posting websites and weblinks. So avoiding to do so.

My PM is active. Let me know please.

Hello everyone,

I would like to add that safe sex is still an option that is chosen. It is true that education is the key to knowing how to choose the right option, but it is still a decision that each of us take. We are adults, we know the risks that exist. If we have had a satisfying sex education, we certainly do not hesitate. But the lack of resources and the few educational methodologies in sexuality in the institutes and schools provokes this lack of knowledge.

Can anyone tell us where to get an STD test in Kiev, and how long we have to wait for the results. There was a clinic in Shota Rustaveli, but it was expensive and now it closed altogether. TIA.

[QUOTE=NakedDesires2;1973376]I request you guys to let me know if there is any such safe condom with the flange or flap at the bottom. And how can I get in India?[/QUOTE]The only condom on the market that I am aware of with a large flange at the bottom is the Unique Free. It is made in Colombia. Their new website is [URL]http://uniquecondoms.co/[/URL]. The last time I checked they didn't ship overseas, but that was years ago.

There is also the Pasante Unique in Europe that has a smaller flange. I haven't yet found any companies that will ship it outside Europe. Here is some more info on it: [URL]http://www.eros-shop.co.uk/how_to_use_pasante_unique_guide.html[/URL]. You could try a mail forwarding service like [URL]http://afewbucksfwd.weebly.com/afbf-amp-condoms.html[/URL].

It has been suggested that using a female condom can increase safety versus a male condom.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;980082]The answer I got when I inquired is that the condom with attached skirt at the base isn't yet available in the USA.

Perhaps for now the female condom with the inner loop removed and used as if it were a male condom is the best available, since standard male condoms leave users at risk of STIs that are transmitted by skin-to-skin contact (syphilis, herpes, warts).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;990348]The manufacturer's instructions say to remove the female condom's inner ring only for anal intercourse, but that's nonsense. Who says "Female condoms can't be used as a 'regular' condom outside a woman's vagina"? My many experiences of using them that way for vaginal intercourse proves you [u]can[/u]. And it works just fine.

Another problem with all standard male condoms is that while pressure can still be felt, friction is gone, which is why men compare the satisfaction of intercourse or oral contact when wearing a standard male condom with that of taking a shower while wearing a rain coat (keeping you dry in the shower). With the female condom used as directed or even with the inner loop removed and worn as a male condom, the female condom sticks to her more than to you, so you still feel friction, making vaginal intercourse feel almost completely natural while providing you with much better protection from STDs than would be possible with a standard male condom. The female condom worn as a male condom with the inner loop removed, for vaginal intercourse, provides far more coverage and far better protection than you are giving it credit for.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;992100]I recall reading a similar comment in an Internet blog by a female who used the female condom but still advocated using them because of the increased protection they provide. So I suggest trying the female condom again. I like the female condom when I take the inner loop out (with a [u]clean, uncontaminated[/u] finger) and use it like I would a male condom but not when the woman puts it inside her as directed by the manufacturer's instructions. If you use lubricant, put it inside the female condom, not on the outside of the condom or inside of her, although that way [u]she[/u] might miss the friction! Ironically, many women insist on the standard male condoms they're accustomed to because they feel safer with them, when in fact they'd be [u]much[/u] better protected with a female condom. I've often refused to have intercourse when the woman wouldn't use one of my female condoms, and all she had were the standard ones that leave me at risk for skin-to-skin transmission where the male condom doesn't cover. With the female condom's outer ring on the outside of her body, not even the base of the penis will come into contact with her vaginal lips where a tiny herpes or HPV lesion (wart) may be hidden you'd otherwise come into direct contact with.[/QUOTE]