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[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1354838]Less not forget that besides the overall maintenance fees associated with running a bar (I hear electricity is pretty damn expensive per month just in itself) If the bar owner or manager is a foreigner, especially US, Aussie or British they will have to be paying extortion fees to the Philippine government and local police to avoid any problems. Also The bars that have no girls are the bars that the guys will not go to so they have to have the girls behaving to attract the customers. I have talked to a few managers in my time and all have said that the profit margin is very slim if any. A few guys told me that sometimes they lose money in a month and that they have to pony up the difference from there personal accounts. Every ones heard those horror stories of how guys have gone flat broke BUYING into a bar right?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I've got no love for pimps anywhere in the world. I don't give a shit what kind of crybaby stories they have.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1354838]I have talked to a few managers in my time and all have said that the profit margin is very slim if any. A few guys told me that sometimes they lose money in a month and that they have to pony up the difference from there personal accounts. Every ones heard those horror stories of how guys have gone flat broke BUYING into a bar right?[/QUOTE]I only ever get 'sneak outs' from bars that make a big fat profit so my conscience is clear. Haha. Are you seriously telling me that many of these bars are on the brink of going under? If that is the case perhaps they should look at their business model and pricing structure. They could start with lowering the barfines. That should help move some sluggish stock.

[quote=topmanten; 1354678]is i'd check is commen in ac? hope all the girls in bars are 18+? is **** scams are happening in ac too?

i prefer to ply safe.

thanks a lot in advance for help.

tmt[/quote]never had a hotel check an i'd. stayed in top notch places like abc and lewis grand and dumps like kokomos. they don't even look at you when you enter. stick with girls in bars and you should be good. street girls are anyone's guess.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354695]Right. I was taking girls out of the "Pasha Group" bars some group of Germans own. It's like 2000 PHP barfine across the board. WTF? And the girls live exactly in the back, like 4 to a room, and they have to walk past the mama's room to go in and out. There's not much wiggle room.[/QUOTE]Back in the mid-1980s, I was working my way through the girls in a small bar having BFed about 6 of the dancers. All were young looking, cute and trim. I invited a bunch of them to the Clarkton then known as The Kangaroo for lunch and swimming. They had to get permission from the mommy. She came over and asked my intentions and said no boom-boom.

Was a fun afternoon. Girls were surprised when I told them they could order anything on the menu they wanted. Most took cheeseburgers, fries and cokes. They wore their swim suits so no changing required. They lived behind the bar thus the mommy's permission.

Slim

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354936]How much shit are you guys bring for a week or two stay? If you have anything more than a carry on for that, you have serious problems.[/QUOTE]I personally take carry on only. You can get away with 10kgs. If someone says something go put the clothes on. Haha.

Anyway, I'm done with bar fines. If I go drinking I'm not any good at screwing and I know it. Last time in Pattaya I found that out the hard way.

She left in the morning and didn't get a session in. Oops. Newbie!

[QUOTE=Hatguy;1355039]I personally take carry on only. You can get away with 10kgs. If someone says something go put the clothes on. Haha.[/QUOTE]Size matters too. Don't forget IATA rules specify, not only weight 7kgs, but max size too, which is. 56 x 45 x 25cm total of 115cm must not be exceeded. How do you get 10kg of clothes into that size?

On a number of occasions I have seen an airline official stopping people at entrance to plane itself with weight / size scales, taking carry on off passenger, booking them in as check in, and seemingly collecting the excess baggage fee on the spot. Can happen.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354935]But the book is just a rehash of the argument Frederich Engels made in 1884 (read: "The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State" you can find it free online).[/QUOTE]Can't say I am a fan of the material determinism in Engels and Marx, so now you're making me rethink the extent of determinism in the Sex at Dawn book. Also, Engels did not have much of the evidence these authors present. If you've read it, you know the evidence and arguments are far-reaching.

Like I said, it's honestly just an update of the same argument with all the new information that is now available. Engels was working with the most advance science at the time. In fact, the full title of the piece was The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State in the light of the researches of Lewis H. Morgan.

Morgan was about as good as it got at the time. Even Darwin referred back to him.

Are you sure this isn't one of those things where you realize something is correct but then find out it was pioneered by someone you have ideological qualms with then reject?

Not accusing you, just a fair question. We can all be guilty of it.

BTW, Marx and Engels weren't actually determinists at all. That's something that came later with people like Stalin, who if you compare notes and actions, was about as far from Marx as George Bush was from Abe Lincoln.

'Hanging together with this too is the fatuous notion of the ideologists that because we deny an independent historical development to the various ideological spheres which play a part in history we also deny the many effect upon history. The basis of this is the common undialectical conception of cause and effect as rigidly opposite poles, the total disregarding of interaction; these gentlemen often almost deliberately forget that once an historic element has been brought into the world by other elements, ultimately by economic facts, it also reacts in its turn and may react on its environment and even on its own causes. '

Probably we're way off track now though here in the AC thread. Sorry for the digression.

Are you kidding? It's not off track. One of the great things about this forum is that fact that you can find discussions of arcane subjects like historical dialectics (thought that was as much Hegel as Marx) , interspersed among the discussions of man's endless search for an ocean of snatch. It's what distinguishes this forum from all the others.

GE

Good to hear.

On another note, can someone suggest an inexpensive hotel near the action in AC that can booked online (I don't like to just "wait until I get there")?

I usually stay at Lewis Grande or ABC because I like peace and quiet and a bit of comfort, but for my next visit budget is going to be an issue. I stayed at Kokomos for a few days before at around $30 USD a night but cut it short early. The place sucks. Dirty, filled with bugs, horrible stinky water, and right above a god damned go go bar. You get to hear the girls stomping and screaming all night, along with all the music. It's like you're in the damn bar.

Sorry. RTFF and even asked around but didn't get any good recommendations.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354941]Sorry, I've got no love for pimps anywhere in the world. I don't give a shit what kind of crybaby stories they have.[/QUOTE]With out the pimps you would have less working girls, what I like about Philippines is most of the time the girls are manged by other working girls or ex working girls, but then they get taught how to play the GFE to extract cash by some of the best.

I stay at Orchid Inn Resort. Very, nice, convenient and affordable if you book through agoda dot com.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1355130]Good to hear.

On another note, can someone suggest an inexpensive hotel near the action in AC that can booked online (I don't like to just "wait until I get there")?

I usually stay at Lewis Grande or ABC because I like peace and quiet and a bit of comfort, but for my next visit budget is going to be an issue. I stayed at Kokomos for a few days before at around $30 USD a night but cut it short early. The place sucks. Dirty, filled with bugs, horrible stinky water, and right above a god damned go go bar. You get to hear the girls stomping and screaming all night, along with all the music. It's like you're in the damn bar.

Sorry. RTFF and even asked around but didn't get any good recommendations.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1355134]With out the pimps you would have less working girls, what I like about Philippines is most of the time the girls are manged by other working girls or ex working girls, but then they get taught how to play the GFE to extract cash by some of the best.[/QUOTE]In other words, what is a football team without a coach?

Never agree to pay excess after security, you are are allowed to buy as much taxfree as you regulations stipulate, they can't charge you for that. If they want to take your luggage due to overall weight they can do that but they can't charge you for it, if they claim it's too heavy say you bought 3kgs of candy, local goods or liquor.

[QUOTE=Wiild;1355179]Never agree to pay excess after security, you are are allowed to buy as much taxfree as you regulations stipulate, they can't charge you for that. If they want to take your luggage due to overall weight they can do that but they can't charge you for it, if they claim it's too heavy say you bought 3kgs of candy, local goods or liquor.[/QUOTE]Was talking about carry on bag, nothing to do with duty free, which seems to be regarded as a separate and untouchable item / s. They sometimes check the carry on bag, not the plastic duty free bag which seems to be immune from checks. If you claim your carry on is full of duty free, all they need to do is ask you to open your carry on, and see if it is so. I am talking about straight forward carry on luggage, not duty free bag / s.

Most of time, overweight and oversized carry on bags, some as big as my check in bag, are allowed through as passengers are scarce to come by, competition allows, so they allow. But then sometimes an airline decides to control the carry on baggage, not duty free stuff, carry on. Thats when you can get caught with overweight baggage. Enternational has a light portable scale, so do I, which means you can avoid being caught with excess baggage, if you want to, or take the risk. Have you noticed in recent years, lots of folks panic to get on plane first, cause people are now taking on board bags as big as check-ins, especially backpacker passengers and the like. Hard to come by passengers and competition has forced some airlines to ignore the IATA rules. Budget airlines however are strict in respect of baggage. Consequently with non budget airlines, space in those overhead lockers has become premium, a real bun fight.

You can get caught, and when it does happen, you do get charged at excess baggage rates, and have the bag taken off you, and collected at other end as check-in bagge. I've seen it happen more than once.