FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1964211]Then the tourists came. Service dropped. And now it's starting at Sharks. World is too far away, majority of clients are locals. Service level is much better.[/QUOTE]Now at Sharks? It has started at carp pond already around two years ago. And service level at World isn't so much better if you compare apples with appels. And without the tourists from the Frankfurt big5 clubs would survive maybe only two. And without the better paying and / or low service accepting tourists many top girls wouldn't work anymore in Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1964013] I told them will give 100 euros but give me great service and the results were very good, GFE experiences of top level,.[/QUOTE]I don't think Girl will refuse this offer, BUT what will you do if she give you normal or bad service! Will you give 100 euro?

What if she said her service was great, and you disagree? Will you give 50 Euro.

Its complicated. So I will stick to the obvious rules 50/30 and 100/60.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1964211]It's the tourists, willing to overpay or to accept bad service. Palace had great service levels when it opened. Then the tourists came. Service dropped. Oase followed. Mainhattan the same thing. And now it's starting at Sharks. World is too far away, majority of clients are locals. Service level is much better. Same for Artemis. Monopoly plus too many tourists. Or GoldenTime. Too many Dutch satisfied with mediocre service.

HB.[/QUOTE]I agree with all that.

Very few members here have the right ethics unfortunately, that does not help the quality drop.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1964211]It's the tourists, willing to overpay or to accept bad service. Palace had great service levels when it opened. Then the tourists came. Service dropped. Oase followed. Mainhattan the same thing. And now it's starting at Sharks. World is too far away, majority of clients are locals. Service level is much better. Same for Artemis. Monopoly plus too many tourists. Or GoldenTime. Too many Dutch satisfied with mediocre service.

HB.[/QUOTE]Ignorant tourists destroying the market place. If only all tourist act like me I. E. Never overpay for standard service and demand good service before commiting to a session, LOL.

This downward spiral plus the new law next yr its certainly doesn't look good.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1964175]Well I am staying with my theory that there's too many clubs in Germany, too many tourists in the clubs ruining service and pricing.

HB.[/QUOTE]There is some merit to the argument that too many tourists may be bringing down service levels in general but how does it make sense that too many clubs ruin service levels?

When there is too much supply, that does not lead to price inflation or quality reduction.

Berlin has just Artemis. Prices are higher, and other than PFI and a few hardcore Artemis fans, not many think Artemis service levels are better than in Frankfurt.

If tomorrow Oase, Palace and Mainhattan shut down, would Sharks' girls provide better service? All those men going to those clubs would now go to Sharks, and that hardly improves the situation.

[QUOTE=Hessenbub;1964215]It's the tourists, willing to overpay or to accept bad service. Palace had great service levels when it opened. Then the tourists came. Service dropped. Oase followed. Mainhattan the same thing. And now it's starting at Sharks. World is too far away, majority of clients are locals. Service level is much better. Same for Artemis. Monopoly plus too many tourists. Or GoldenTime. Too many Dutch satisfied with mediocre service.HB.[/QUOTE]"What actually ruins a destination are the tourists. And I don't mean that simply because of the increase in visitors. I mean that because tourists end up supporting unsustainable tourism practices, and that's what really destroys a place. We simply love places to death. ".

[URL]http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/why-tourists-ruin-the-places-they-love/[/URL]

FKK-Cubs in Germany are high-speed resorts for sex-access. Unlimited instant sex! Sex tourists in the form of locals and international tourists are willing to consume sex without regarding consequences. Consume as much of this drug (called sex) as they can. They both will love it to death. They don't even care about ruining their inner environment. Why? Because they cannot stand being confronted with the certainty of death themselves, they cling to their illusions and delusions.

This fucking lifestyle is like a whirl, ultimately a futile attempt to escape the certainty of death.

Hey everyone,

First off if anyone was at Sharks Friday night I think the guys were outnumbered 2 to 1. At least until about 2300. When I get home from my trip I will write about my 4 experiences that night and the ones after. Dies any one know if that spicy dark hair blue eyes with the Albania flag on her back is working Anja?

[QUOTE=Tuber19;1964296]I don't think Girl will refuse this offer, BUT what will you do if she give you normal or bad service! Will you give 100 euro?
What if she said her service was great, and you disagree? Will you give 50 Euro.[/QUOTE]I think as he is a believer of this activity being bad, he is not a too demanding tourist. He probably never had a bad session. LLLOL.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;1964296]I don't think Girl will refuse this offer, BUT what will you do if she give you normal or bad service! Will you give 100 euro?

What if she said her service was great, and you disagree? Will you give 50 Euro.

Its complicated. So I will stick to the obvious rules 50/30 and 100/60.[/QUOTE]Fortunately never got bad service but I am more a optical fucker. As already reported, last week at Oase with a new girl I do the same and I had a great session with one of the most beautiful girl over the last 10 years. I never ask a girl before a session if she do this or this (like a technical data sheet), I adapt myself during the session sometimes if my mud is good and the feeling with the girl is good I will do anal but I never ask it before entering the room, it depends.

It is more than 10 years that we give 50 euros, no I will not give 50 euros I will just consider that I was not good enough to make her feel comfortable with me and as a consequence to provide nice sex. I only go to World, Oase seldom to Shark or Manhattan and with few sessions each time so I will not be able to damage the full price structure in German FKK.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1964212]The number of clubs has nothing to do with the disappearance of the Russian, Polish and other nationalitys that no longer work in Germany.[/QUOTE]These two races are hot till they hit age 35 LOL.

I find some German Russian or German Polish still though Second generation immigrants I guess.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1964344]There is some merit to the argument that too many tourists may be bringing down service levels in general but how does it make sense that too many clubs ruin service levels?

[/QUOTE]Many clubs = wider mainstream mongering scene = more offers = more tourists visiting Germany for P6 bringing service levels down.

In 2003 at Atlantis and Oase there were a few tourists from other countries. But they didn't behave like tourists. It was a more closed scene, mongers knowing the prices, asking for good service for standard pricing, less shy and more open for public action. It was practically impossible to get to a room at Atlantis without a public blowjob on the sofa. There was public sex everywhere. Girls were leaning on the sofa / benches leaning over and presenting their ass and Pussy. That whole scene changed when it got mainstream. Part of the mainstream is a new kind of prudity. Guys wearing underwear underneath their robes or towels, bathing and showering in boxershorts afraid somebody could see them naked. That group is mainly consisting of tourists (Italian, French, English, US, Asian, Indian) and local Muslim Germans. Mainstream also changed focus for a subgroup away from sex to visiting clubs as a SPA with food, drinks, sauna, pool. Different scene from "the good old days". But it is what it is.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1964381] Mainstream also changed focus for a subgroup away from sex to visiting clubs as a SPA with food, drinks, sauna, pool. Different scene from "the good old days". .[/QUOTE]I know what you mean. I have been there.

Amongst my club friends there is a sub group that chooses a club based on the relax factor rathrr than on what gitls are there in the club as the primary criteria. For them it is the stimulas or atmosphere of the club which can relate to what the girls provide but in the end its the spa and club feel and not they can get a blowjob. This group comprises Germans from Hessen, BW and Bayern who go touring around the clubs needing hotels and considering logistics like distance and cost of a hotel plus non Germans who aspire to the FKK ethic.

Then there is the club friends who just want the best looking girls to fuck and are driven by service no matter what. Sometimes the minimum bar of good looking is not even a requirement.

[QUOTE=NickTheG;1964348]

FKK-Cubs in Germany are high-speed resorts for sex-access. Unlimited instant sex! Sex tourists in the form of locals and international tourists are willing to consume sex without regarding consequences. Consume as much of this drug (called sex) as they can. They both will love it to death. They don't even care about ruining their inner environment. Why? Because they cannot stand being confronted with the certainty of death themselves, they cling to their illusions and delusions.

This fucking lifestyle is like a whirl, ultimately a futile attempt to escape the certainty of death.[/QUOTE]Nick the G aka The Philosopher, LOL.

Unlimited only if you got unlimted funds. I got lost at "why?" deep stuff, hehe.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1964381]Many clubs = wider mainstream mongering scene = more offers = more tourists visiting Germany for P6 bringing service levels down.

In 2003 at Atlantis and Oase there were a few tourists from other countries. But they didn't behave like tourists. It was a more closed scene, mongers knowing the prices, asking for good service for standard pricing, less shy and more open for public action. It was practically impossible to get to a room at Atlantis without a public blowjob on the sofa. There was public sex everywhere. Girls were leaning on the sofa / benches leaning over and presenting their ass and Pussy. That whole scene changed when it got mainstream. Part of the mainstream is a new kind of prudity. Guys wearing underwear underneath their robes or towels, bathing and showering in boxershorts afraid somebody could see them naked. That group is mainly consisting of tourists (Italian, French, English, US, Asian, Indian) and local Muslim Germans. Mainstream also changed focus for a subgroup away from sex to visiting clubs as a SPA with food, drinks, sauna, pool. Different scene from "the good old days". But it is what it is.

HB.[/QUOTE]OK, what you say makes sense, but the genie now is out of the bottle.

In 2003, Germany was not known as the sex capital of world. And it was not in the 90's either. For a long time, I used to think Amsterdam and Thailand is where mongers went, and I have to admit, even I used to have a slight negative view of them and that scene. You could say I was one of those judgmental people.

I only learned about FKK 4,5 years ago, and when I first visited Oase, I was blown away. It was awe inspiring. Never seen anything like it, and pretty clean and safe too. Not in some dingy dark place, fat old ladies, shady mafioso characters watching over you.

So, the issue is that Germany is now known as the sex tourism destination. (Perhaps you will get your wish. Just kidding, LOL. With the new law next year, tourists will be turned off and it will go back to good old days minus the BBBJ). But the problem is that Germany the country being now known as the place to go, and not that one single city has too many clubs. Even cities and locations with fewer number of clubs don't seem to have better service levels. Berlin / Artemis is one example. I have never visited all those clubs in other German cities, but reports about clubs in Hamburg, Munich, Stuttgart, etc etc suggest service is not any consistently and materially superior to that in Frankfurt. What I read is that only a small random club like Bernds may have good service and that is due to some very specific reasons and ladies and not because there are fewer clubs in that region.

I spent 4 days at Sharks this week, and to be honest I did not see anyone taking shower in their underwear, but of course I am not in the club as often as you are. I do see gents walking with a robe and a towel underneath, and can't understand if it is because they feel cold or because they are afraid their private parts will show accidentally. Still, I don't know we can necessarily deduce a cause and effect relation between such visitors and girls not being as open and nice as they used to be. I suspect you did not have as many girls in the days of yore as you have now, and perhaps it was possible for a smaller mostly German ladies' group to be open and presenting as you said back in the day, but the thousands of Romanian and other eastern eu girls now predominant in the clubs will not do all those things for 50. Even at Sharks many girls are expecting to finish a 50 euro 30 min session well inside 20 min. Unless she is a long time regular for you, and in which case you might not do a basic 30 min session with her anyway. As McA described, for 30 min, in their view you are entitled to a few min BJ, a quick fuck in one or two positions, no kissing and cuddling of any kind. One long time regular told me that if any customer strictly enforces 30 min for 50 Europe, she will never ever go back to that customer again.

Wherever there is a greater number of mongers compared to the number of working girls in a country the service level will be down because the girls know that they will always get customers especially if they are tourists. Where the number of working girls exceed that of punters the girls have to work harder to attract customers as supply exceeds demand.

There is also another factor. Where generally the number of mongers exceed that of available working girls it means that the average wg does more sessions per day which makes them get jaded faster. Jaded wgs usually give poorer service.