[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033] Holiday in Hell[/QUOTE]Crazy report, I even got late to a meeting cause I could not stop reading.
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[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033] Holiday in Hell[/QUOTE]Crazy report, I even got late to a meeting cause I could not stop reading.
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.
I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.
So I finally arrive in Colombia and on my first night, I meet one of the very few natives, Angela who can speak English. I have a plan which usually works very well in TH. Try to find one girl to "wife up for the duration" I am offering 1800 USD ($65 per night = 250000 Colombian pesos) plus daily shopping trips for about another (100 k per day) $850 in total as well as random acts of generosity. Angela is interested.
She just about passes the probationary period. Then she starts to claim that I had promised her $250 USD per night. If I did, then you might wonder why she never raised the issue when I gave 250 k the previous two nights? I tell her she doesn't have to stay, she then decides she might have made a mistake..[/QUOTE]A very long report of many things that could have been avoided if you only took the time to acknowledge and understand what posters like Mr. E and myself were trying to tell you over a month ago before you even got on the plane in DUB. Posters like us who have been there multiple times made the mistakes, or have seen the mistakes being made, therefore we pass on the preventive information so fresh gringos who arrive do not repeat them but you threw it all out the window. The fact that were were there solo those girls took full advantage.
We repeatedly told you Colombia is not Thailand. I myself, said I can black out in Thailand in a club and a girl will make sure I get back to my hotel room and when I wake up, she's there, and nothing is missing but I would never, ever do that in Colombia. We repeatedly told you the culture down there is different with the working girls where most of them do not care about tomorrow or next week, they only care about what they can get from you at that moment in time on that night. They live day to day as evident of your first girl who spent all the money in 1 day. We told you a month long arrangement is not a good idea and I specifically said if this is done to make sure to send her ass home every day because you do not want her constantly around you. I've posted many times if the gringo get cops involved they will end up paying more than to just pay what the girl wanted. The cops and the girls work together to scam the gringos and trust me on this, they saw you coming even before you got on the plane in DUB. I mentioned no working girl is going to want 250 mil – 300 mil a day to be with you when she can get 800 mil by taking her change at the Clock Tower, the mindset is "you, the gringo is only here for a week or two at most, while the Clock Tower will forever be there with fresh gringos every night".
Angela did have the overpriced numbers right at $250 a day which is why I constantly said in my posts and reports always talk to them in pesos and make sure they know its pesos. We cannot say a number without the currency format as they automatically assume dollars. Then you paid her for the following day in advance to which she does not have to show up SMH.
The old hag and pretty niece was a red flag, never take on a team when solo especially when you have no interest in the other party.
Elena was not worried about you future intentions as she already got what she wanted from you and the next gringo is primes and ready for her.
You placed yourself in a very bad scenario, why the hell would you let two working girls sleep in the spare room while you take on a third? They out number you three to one and you cannot watch all three of them at all times. You left your money out in the open. Yes, we can do that in Thailand because most if not all are on their best behavior but not in Colombia. Those girls straight lied to you, they did have a place to sleep for the night but didn't want to pay. Over in Getsemeni are allot of Hostels where the girls who know each other will take a room, usually its four to a room (bunk beds) so they could had stayed at a hostel. I'm still laughing over here because they even cleaned out your fridge and took the groceries with them. They saw you coming from a mile away jajajaja.
There are only about 5 girls I know and trust who I always see when I return and this is because if they ask me for money to buy something I usually give them 50 mil or 100 mil because I need to break the big bills. They will always come back and put the change on the table where I can see it, even the coins, yes the freaking annoying coins I never want in my pockets.
The only thing that saved you from being cleaned out was that steel gate with the double cylinder lock that requires a key to open from the inside, at least you wasn't like someone I know who left the key inside the lock because they didn't want to loose it jajaja.
I cannot stop laughing! You did just about everything we said not to do jajajaja.
[QUOTE=PuraVida42;2601933]Seems so hard to get good answer, I think I watched every video on youtube and called 15 locations, like talking to the wall. Trying to find a nice hotel or Apartment near Dolce Vita that is visitor friendly. The Cova House Cartagena looks very nice but cannot get a response from property manager. I need at least 2 bedrooms. Looked at Hotel El Viajero and it seems guest friendly, but not as nice as I would like. I do not want to travel to BocaGrande. If anybody has any good recommendations for a $75 to $150 per night rooms within a few minute walk of Dolce Vita for this coming weekend. I want clean bed, hot water, water pressure, AC, safe in room, clean bathroom, locking doors. I stayed a 2 months ago at an Airbnb which was not my favorite. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You are asking for too much in such a small time frame.
Where do you think you will find girl friendly 2 bedrooms for $150 max close to the mongering hole with hot water and good pressure?
Hot water is not necessary, at this time of year the cold water is lukewarm and it will be madness to take a hot shower then step out in that humidity. Trust me on this, I had an apartment with boiling hot water and refused to use it because it was so damn hot once I stepped outside.
Your best bet at this short time frame will be a hotel.
We've been back and forth about all this before you left and now of course the predictable outcome-- You've offered someone basically $100 for a day. When the going rate is approximately $66 or $200 K whatever that is. What do you think is going to happen? What I suggest is is it is your cheap and a sucker which is a very bad combination. Disastrous trip is not much of a surprise to me in fact it's actually quite funny
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602046]Yes I was aware, but I needed it to be able to board my flight from DUB to AMS with both Ireland and Holland requiring negative tests.[/QUOTE]
Likewise we advised this fool and instead of listening to anybody he just went ahead and acted it out surprise. LOL. He's lucky it wasn't even worse. I'm not sure how it could have been he got drugged and screwed multiple times in the wrong way.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2602081]Hmm. Seems like I VAGUELY remember telling you that was not a good idea. Also seems I said something about discarding advice to your own detriment because you do not like how it was said.
Spoon feed them hoes. Don't push their chair up to a buffet counter.
LOL. But since you ignored my advice...! Why even ask advice if you are just looking for confirmation of the idea you already have in your head. Of course folks always have to learn the hard way. Can ask and have answered 1 million questions all for naught, because after millions of years of human existence, experience remains the best teacher. Great report![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to write this up. It's been a while since I've been to Cartagena, but if I were traveling for the purpose of banging women, I'd take it head and shoulders over Bangkok. Hell, when in Bangkok I go to Spasso's looking for Colombians.
There are a lot of lessons in this, ones I forget from time to time. Like divide your ATM cards up in a couple of places so if you loose one you're not screwed. Don't leave money laying around. Watch your drinks. Don't wife up until you know you really click with someone and even then pay as you go. Try to avoid situations involving the police. And if you and the hookers can't communicate in a common language, you're probably not going to have a good time if mongering is your main focus.
I got a huge laugh out of this, "About 3. 30, I am woken by a couple of loud bangs. I work out it is someone thowing stones at the apartment to get my attention. I go to the balcony, and there in all her beauty is the coke-snorting "Diahann Carroll". I really cannot believe that both these Scorpions think I will again carry them across the stormy river. I tell her "Vamos". She says something imploringly in Spanish, but I go back inside and watch her through a chink in the curtain. "
You said "let's go. " She probably thought you wanted to have another go with her.
In large part from reading stories like this I've avoided nightmares. I put a link to your post in "Reports of Distinction. " Thanks for sharing this.
You can also send money to yourself using WA or WorldRemit. That way even if you do not have cards you can get it from Exito or supermarket giving the reference number and showing ID.
I do not think you are an experienced monger. Even in Thailand you need to be careful if you were doing the same things you did. I did some wifing up in Costa Rica many times with Colombians. Did tour everywhere. They were really beautiful. Two of them them had all my spending money in their purse (ofcourse bulk of the cash is in safe deposit along with passport, credit cards, I phone, anything valuable) I did pay at the end generously but not before.
Planning to go to Cartagena in November. Prefer staying in a hotel. I heard hotel OZ is girl visitor friendly. Reviews say do not get the cheapest room there. That one does not have a window.
Generally I never drink other than bottled beer in unknown places. Even then never out of my sight.
Enjoyed reading your report. A very good warning to people planning to party wildly without a wingman.
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.
I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.[/QUOTE]I remember I asked where the best lobster place was in Cartagena and someone (I won't say who) was very unkind and dismissive to me in their response. I believe they told me to Google. I just returned from CTG and I had a blast to the point where I was depressed the last 2 days because I did not want to leave. The sole "bad" part of my trip was the lobster that I had at Playa Hollywood, very rubbery and forgettable. I will be back in Cartagena in October, I will take the suggestion of the person who I shall not name and google the best grilled lobster place in the city.
Hi,
Me and a friend are planning a trip to Cartagena in January for about 8 days. We are debating whether to Airbnb it or take advantage of the services provided here.
[URL]https://colombiaeroticvacations.com/[/URL]
Has anyone ever used these services? It seems a bit pricy but if it's good we don't care. I've scoured most of the forums couldn't find anything. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
I will be in Cartagena at end of this month if anyone wants to meet up.
[QUOTE=Kafka;2602128]Likewise we advised this fool and instead of listening to anybody he just went ahead and acted it out surprise. [/QUOTE]As far as mongering is concerned. Mr E is always right and I will listen to him even he said something I don't want to hear. This has already been said to him before he came visit but he choose to listen to what he wants to hear and think something like robbery is not a concern. But it is a great report that can be made into a movie.
My post is not to criticize Dublin, but I think people should listen to what Mr E says. I think he can have a youtube channel and charge for his advices that we get here for free.
The cultural difference between Asia and the Americas is something a friend of mine talked about before. He said he could leave his sunglasses on a train in Japan and come back a week later and find them there. No one would steal his glasses he told me. The irony is that in Japan around the same time there was a company pushing bonds that were fraudulently valued in order to save the honor of the company. The notion then that there was no stealing in Japan was BS. It was just going on at the highest level. China has no debt on its national balance sheet. They just push it down to the state and city level. I am not sure then that I find the notion of the citizens not stealing while the government and huge corporations do that refreshing.
On an individual basis, I have been impressed with the intelligence, kindness, and work ethic of the Colombians I have met. Given how rich Colombia is in resources, I have asked why it is so poor, and everyone has told me the same thing: corruption.
When I was engaged to a Venezuelan woman who broke it off, I blamed the nature of her country as part of the reason. She was too focused on the short term, and she admitted that she was. How can you plan for the future when there was no future in Venezuela? Long term relationships were for suckers. Thing is that Venezuela historically looked at Colombia as the black sheep in the family. Venezuela historically had its shit together while Colombia was hooked on drugs. It is only recently the roles have reversed.
The rule of thumb I would say for any guy looking for anything long term with any woman in Colombia is if she has not been in college or going to college is just forget it. For more experienced mongers who are more able to distinguish between hos and normal gals, that is not the case but you have to be honest with how experienced you are.
Most Colombian women are going to be very, very short term oriented, and it is not just the girls but their families. I broke it off with a Medellin woman a few months ago, and her sister hit me up to pay for a trip of hers. I had to tell the sister no and that we had broken up. Then the ex asked for a money a month later, and I told her no. LOL.
Thing is that if Asia has the higher classes willing to steal and the lower classes do not, you could make a case that the opposite is somewhat true in Colombia. Thing is that the truly higher class women in Colombia want to distinguish themselves from the working girl types and they do that by not asking for money or going for it in the short term. They are there, but they are rare.
Thing is that not one of these women I met would go for this paying by the day stuff. To me, that is like saying the woman is a more trustworthy ho and that ranks up their with other paradoxical phrases like jumbo shrimp and army intelligence. You cannot turn a ho into a GF and most times you cannot even turn them into a sugar baby. With hos, you have to pay as you go / fuck. That is all they understand.
No Mr E is not right all the time. Hillbilly and World Traveller or know a lot more about Colombia than this guy ever will. Mojo knows a bit, these are all timers. If you're a fool you're going to get played for your money And even worse if you're cheap fool you're going to get taken for everything. Equivalence of $100 for one day is absurd as a matter of fact I'm not even sure if these posts are not even made up I don't see anything in any of that report to make me believe that this trip by Dublin actually even happened.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2602390]As far as mongering is concerned. Mr E is always right and I will listen to him even he said something I don't want to hear. This has already been said to him before he came visit but he choose to listen to what he wants to hear and think something like robbery is not a concern. But it is a great report that can be made into a movie.
My post is not to criticize Dublin, but I think people should listen to what Mr E says. I think he can have a youtube channel and charge for his advices that we get here for free.[/QUOTE]
I usually won't criticize people.
But with the message "avoid Colombia like a plague".
Only two things is more than enough to survive in any place, listen to people who has already learned by their mistakes and bad experiences! 2nd not to break the golden rules of mongering!
I don't speak a word of Spanish, still I survived in Colombia! If I can, anyone can!
I roamed around alone in Santa Fe around mid-night Bogota)!! Following the rules. How to be safe!! I am not going there to show I am brave. I am going there to enjoy my hobby!
Again. 1800 $ a month for a girl? I am not sure if you are aware of the below facts.
1) an average rent for a month in Colombia is 250000 - 300000 Pesos.
2) a poor family. Won't earn more than 500000 pesos a month.
3) Cartagena is the most expensive place as far as I know, for girls in strip clubs, 300000 pesos.
4) Medellin. Most of the strip clubs at the time of closing, some girls will be happy to come to your room for 150-200 K whole night!
4) if I want to wife -up a girl for a month, the max I offer may be 500 $.
If we behave like an idiot!! We will be a failure anywhere we go! Even in the middle of the most civilized world!
[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.
I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.
So I finally arrive in Colombia and on my first night, I meet one of the very few natives, Angela who can speak English. I have a plan which usually works very well in TH. Try to find one girl to "wife up for the duration" I am offering 1800 USD ($65 per night = 250000 Colombian pesos) plus daily shopping trips for about another (100 k per day) $850 in total as well as random acts of generosity. Angela is interested.
She just about passes the probationary period. Then she starts to claim that I had promised her $250 USD per night. If I did, then you might wonder why she never raised the issue when I gave 250 k the previous two nights? I tell her she doesn't have to stay, she then decides she might have made a mistake..[/QUOTE]