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A friend with benefits?[/QUOTE]Those of us that don't have PL can not see that.
Hey guys,
Before you jump on me, NO, I am not sending money to someone because of a weird skin lesion, a dying grandmother, or some other BS story that we've all heard a bunch of times. I do however have a regular that I usually have my GFE with when I'm in town. She's never once asked me for money however this time around, I want her to buy some thing and therefore want to send her some money in advance.
PayPal obviously is a no-go since it shows my full name and I don't want a trail. Is there any other method that is common in the Phils for sending money electronically but anonymously as well from my end?
Thanks in advance.
Tom.
[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2844253]Before you jump on me, NO, I am not sending money to someone because of a weird skin lesion, a dying grandmother, or some other BS story that we've all heard a bunch of times. I do however have a regular that I usually have my GFE with when I'm in town. She's never once asked me for money however this time around, I want her to buy some thing and therefore want to send her some money in advance.
PayPal obviously is a no-go since it shows my full name and I don't want a trail. Is there any other method that is common in the Phils for sending money electronically but anonymously as well from my end?[/QUOTE]Its difficult to do. If she is picking up cash, say at BDO, Cebuana, LBC, M Lhuillier, or other remit location, she will need your full sending name and phone number for the forms she must fill out. You can remit directly to her GCash with some remit services (ie, Remitly) thru your bank account (might take a week) or debit card (instant), but remit services requires your full info when you make an account with them, and GC requires that info from your remit service so they can transmit the info to the recipient via txt msg ("You have received a cash-in of P2,500 on 08/06/2023 04:52 PM from Thomas Casey. Your GCash remittance from the USA has reference number blah blah blah", or such for the receiver).
An alternate idea. Remit the money to another person in Phils that you trust (if that exists). They can then remit the money directly to your girl, without giving your name.
In addition, if you do send, you will need to enter her name exactly as it appears on her valid government ID (even if her name is not spelled correctly on said ID).
Anonymous sending is the dream of the terrorist. Other gents buzz in please.
[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2844253]Hey guys,
Before you jump on me, NO, I am not sending money to someone because of a weird skin lesion, a dying grandmother, or some other BS story that we've all heard a bunch of times. I do however have a regular that I usually have my GFE with when I'm in town. She's never once asked me for money however this time around, I want her to buy some thing and therefore want to send her some money in advance.
PayPal obviously is a no-go since it shows my full name and I don't want a trail. Is there any other method that is common in the Phils for sending money electronically but anonymously as well from my end?
Thanks in advance.
Tom.[/QUOTE]Almost impossible through any legit channel due to anti money laundering laws.
[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2844438]Almost impossible through any legit channel due to anti money laundering laws.[/QUOTE]If there was such a person in the Philippines that can act as the third party in the middle person, would be the ideal, but I don't think it exist.
[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2844253]
PayPal obviously is a no-go since it shows my full name and I don't want a trail. Is there any other method that is common in the Phils for sending money electronically but anonymously as well from my end?
Tom.[/QUOTE]Actually you will not risk any personal information transferring money to a digital wallet in the Philippines.
These are options I use regularly, I actually use them to send money to my self in the Philippines as well. But they can be used to send anyone money in the Philippines anonymously.
Remitly to Gcash / payMaya.
Wise to Gcash / payMaya.
Coins. Ph to Gcash / payMaya.
Bitcoin to Coins. Ph.
Business paypal to paypal.
The person who receives this money will only get the last few digits of the bank account number of the company you sent the money with and a confirmation number none of your information would be passed along this way. To be extra sure after verifying/creating your Remitly, Wise or Coin.ph account change any identifying account information i.e. the name and phone number(Google Voice) that do not identify you personally. I have included a pic of the information they will receive when they get the transfer to the gcash wallet.
This would mean that she would have to set up a Gcash wallet or Paymaya wallet.
Alternatively she could set up a coins. Ph wallet and you can send Bitcoin to her coins. Ph account and she would transfer this out of coins to a digital wallet or cash out however she sees fit. That would also not have any personal information in it other than your BTC wallet information. Do not do a coins.ph to coins.ph transfer as this sometimes will reveal your real name.
Lastly you can also create a paypal business account to send the money which some people use to make anonymous donations, and in the business information make sure to not use any identifying information, I don't recommend this as the other methods are easier but it is possible to do as well.
Also I would like to point out that its not totally anonymous as you will need her real information to send the money, the only person that would be incognito would be yourself.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2844475]If there was such a person in the Philippines that can act as the third party in the middle person, would be the ideal, but I don't think it exist.[/QUOTE]This can done with load-to-cash in last ditch situations. Sometimes bar girls will ask for "just load" for globe or smart. What they do with this is try and sell the load for PHP, on facebook you will find a myriad of LoadToCash groups where you can seek out a third party to convert your load to cash. Of course the conversion rate is not going to be great using this method.
You used to be able to convert load to cash within the globe eco-system but this has long been disabled. You could in the past also cash out load at 7-11s which still may or may not work.
Valid Anon options:
Remitly to payMaya.
Wise to payMaya.
Coins. Ph to Gcash / payMaya.
Bitcoin to Coins. Ph.
Business paypal to paypal.
I need to post a retraction for Remitly and Wise to Gcash it may or may not send your name along with the money, I have confirmed that it both does not and does send the name of the sender.
I don't know why it is not consistent however, Paymaya does not show the senders name for now. I have updated this list to reflect the valid anon payment methods.
I learned that in some rare cases GCash will actually show the person name that sent the money but it is intermittent. I just did a few transfers and paymaya still does not show the senders name and coin. Ph to Gcash does not. Why I am sending the money is "secret" however it is NOT to bar girls LOL!
One way to send money to someone in phils is to find a girl you trust to receive the money and then distribute it and break her off a tip. I sometimes do this if I want to make sure I am not identifiable. Bar girls will sometimes use their friends paypal / bank account to receive money in order to accomplish this as well. They will use the excuse that they don't have ID.
Since you guys are discussing transfers maybe someone can give me a solution. Over 15 years have I sent various girls money. Did I get suckered a few times, I'm sure I did. I learned my lesson for the most part but I still have two or three I know I like to help with food, power or rent. It seems on the money services there must be some kind of data base. Western Union has limited me to 3 transfers per month in their stores, online no and Remity, RIA, Moneygram, Wise and a couple others have blocked me completely. I'm guessing there must be a data base as if I sign up for a new one, which there are several more it blocks me immediately. I've even changed emails a few times but somehow they got wise to that. A couple girls do have bank accounts so I can do a bank to bank wire but at $25 per wire that gets pricy. I'm sending from US so I know we are probably getting sticky on sending money out of country unless its to Latin America countries then you can send all you want.
Anyone have a tip how I can get around being blocked or another way to do this would be appreciated, I'm out of ideas.
Amazing resource. I started Remitly but if I use it will use it for PayMaya. Thanks for the insight. Much appreciated!
[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2844707]Valid Anon options:
Remitly to payMaya.
Wise to payMaya.
Coins. Ph to Gcash / payMaya.
Bitcoin to Coins. Ph.
Business paypal to paypal.
I need to post a retraction for Remitly and Wise to Gcash it may or may not send your name along with the money, I have confirmed that it both does not and does send the name of the sender.
I don't know why it is not consistent however, Paymaya does not show the senders name for now. I have updated this list to reflect the valid anon payment methods.
I learned that in some rare cases GCash will actually show the person name that sent the money but it is intermittent. I just did a few transfers and paymaya still does not show the senders name and coin. Ph to Gcash does not. Why I am sending the money is "secret" however it is NOT to bar girls LOL!
One way to send money to someone in phils is to find a girl you trust to receive the money and then distribute it and break her off a tip. I sometimes do this if I want to make sure I am not identifiable. Bar girls will sometimes use their friends paypal / bank account to receive money in order to accomplish this as well. They will use the excuse that they don't have ID.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Locamotive;2844826]Since you guys are discussing transfers maybe someone can give me a solution. Over 15 years have I sent various girls money. Did I get suckered a few times, I'm sure I did. I learned my lesson for the most part but I still have two or three I know I like to help with food, power or rent. It seems on the money services there must be some kind of data base. Western Union has limited me to 3 transfers per month in their stores, online no and Remity, RIA, Moneygram, Wise and a couple others have blocked me completely. I'm guessing there must be a data base as if I sign up for a new one, which there are several more it blocks me immediately. I've even changed emails a few times but somehow they got wise to that. A couple girls do have bank accounts so I can do a bank to bank wire but at $25 per wire that gets pricy. I'm sending from US so I know we are probably getting sticky on sending money out of country unless its to Latin America countries then you can send all you want.
Anyone have a tip how I can get around being blocked or another way to do this would be appreciated, I'm out of ideas.[/QUOTE]Two items here:
1) Blocking. I got blocked by all of them eventually (for not complying with their requests for me to send pics of my ID, then later pics of myself with the intended recipient). As a last straw, I decided to send such documents to one of those remit companies mentioned. They re-instated my account. About every 18 months they suddenly stop this or that simple p1000 send for no apparent reason. They call me on the phone to ask some security questions, then allow the transfer. No problems for another 18 or so months.
2) Paying a girl's bills. Good news. As you never know if a girl is telling the truth about why she's requesting money. Many of the utilities (water and electric) now accept electronic payment (especially GCash). Anyone with GC can make a payment to these companies. If a girl tells me that she needs p1500 for electric cut off, I have her send me a pic of the recent electric bill. All the data needed to pay the bill by GC are on the bill: Account number, Account owner's name, amount due. You can open GC (or possibly Paymaya or other), click on PAY BILLS, choose from a long list of Phils utilities (the girl's electric company), enter the account number, owner's name, and amount due, and pay the bill (or any portion you want) immediately via GC. You will get a GC confirmation with reference number, which you can screen capture and send to your girl.
If you are outside of Phils, this obviously doesn't work. You could send the money to a more trusted person's GC in Phils, and ask them to pay the girl's utility thru GC. That would get you a screen capture of the actual payment via the trusted person.
[QUOTE=Locamotive;2844826]
Anyone have a tip how I can get around being blocked or another way to do this would be appreciated, I'm out of ideas.[/QUOTE]If you are being blocked your best option is Bitcoin to Coins. Ph:
BTC-Bitcoin, use any bitcoin broker to buy bitcoin and then transfer this bitcoin to coins. Ph to convert it into pesos. Their is no way anyone can stop you from doing this.
So you buy your main store of currency in BTC and then you can dole it out to your girls coins. Ph accounts. One caveat is that depending on your BTC broker your conversion cost could be as much as 10-20%.
You can leave it up to them to sort out how to transfer the BTC to PHP as you are doing your part by sending them the money.
If you are unfamiliar with BTC this is how this works:
You buy BTC with a debt card (instant) or bank transfer (3-5 days) and this goes into "YOUR" BTC wallet (their are other coins but for your purposes you only want to deal with BTC).
BTCWALLET1: 23 efsdfsdfskidfj3423 edsfsdsdfsdfsfd.
Your girls sign up for Coins. Ph and get a Coins. Ph BTC wallet.
COINSBTCWALLET1: 3453534523 ewdfsrfwefsda34 rdsfsdf.
You then send money from your wallet to the girls wallet at which time your girl will receive the money in about 30 min to an hour? She will then convert the BTC to PHP within the coins. Ph app and then proceed to cash out, cash out options are plentiful they include Cebuana Lhuillier, for physical pick ups and all of the digital wallets for convince as well as just about everything else.
By far the easiest would be a service like remitly / wise and you do lose some money in the conversation to BTC but NO one can stop you using this method even if they wanted to as many girls as you see fit.
FYI: BTC can be volatile and storing BTC can lead to massive losses or a rapid appreciation in your funds just depending on when you purchase the bitcoin. Just keep this in mind. I would recommend sending the BTC as soon as you get it to avoid any implied volatility.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2844926]
...I got blocked by all of them eventually...
...If you are outside of Phils, this obviously doesn't work. You could send the money to a more trusted person's GC in Phils, and ask them to pay the girl's utility thru GC. That would get you a screen capture of the actual payment via the trusted person....[/QUOTE]Getting blocked usually means that there is more than 1 person sending money to this same persons account or you are sending money to more than 1 girl. To keep getting blocked to a minimum I would limit sending money to one remittance platform per girl.(this does not apply when sending BTC)
Coins. Ph allows you to pay bills outside the Philippines. Including NBI clearance and government offices, cable bills, electric ect. Just about everything.
[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2844988]Getting blocked usually means that there is more than 1 person sending money to this same persons account or you are sending money to more than 1 girl. To keep getting blocked to a minimum I would limit sending money to one remittance platform per girl.(this does not apply when sending BTC)
Coins. Ph allows you to pay bills outside the Philippines. Including NBI clearance and government offices, cable bills, electric ect. Just about everything.[/QUOTE]Excellent intel. Go team MM.