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[QUOTE=DukesFord;1964358]Hey everyone,
First off if anyone was at Sharks Friday night I think the guys were outnumbered 2 to 1. At least until about 2300. When I get home from my trip I will write about my 4 experiences that night and the ones after. Dies any one know if that spicy dark hair blue eyes with the Albania flag on her back is working Anja?[/QUOTE]Yes, that description fits with Anja.
I think the situation is that Sharks blew up bigger due to it's hype. Sucking the life away from the other clubs. If one club is able to hold on to so much popularity even with competition around, matter of time before the club draws much attention to amplify such a state.
Personally, I always found Sharks hyped up more than the club really deserved. I never had a visit which I thought the LU was amazing or saw much stunners. That's my taste anyways (although there has been some stand out girls over the years like any other clubs).
There were only those rare visits I come out having great or wedding night sessions over yrs, but really majority of the club visits weren't all that exciting. I'm not all that into the big fuck-factor feel of the club or into clubs with popular girls that constantly doing rooms, and not be able to grab them, and therefore quickly gets jaded.
IMO Pre-2013 Oase had well deserved attention the club was getting.
I think what is really at issue is that new generation of girls come in and there are more newbie tourists due to all the attention the place is getting. New generation of girls and newbie tourists is not a good mix for good service outcomes. It's going to creates lower service levels and likely higher price expectation of girls.
There has always been tourists, just that more are present now a days that ever before. What happens as there are many clubs is that, it can cater to different needs. If there are cheap punters looking for quick room, low rate, it exists. If there are reliable serviced club, but with lower optiks, they exists. Various entry and rate pricing, and potential for services. Addition of so many clubs creates an option for punters and spread them across many clubs. You got the French, Dutch folks attending NRW mainly. The Scandinavians flying down to Artemis or whatnot.
Why didn't this happen to this degree earlier on? Perhaps it took time for the word to spread, and with so much tourists, the big mainstream clubs that tourists mainly target are in a good business, so really not much to change. This is true for Artemis. Hessen and NRW has clubs in competition, so discounts are offered, lower entry, different types of clubs that caters to different clientels.
If you look around, there are bordell establishments strategically placed close to boarders of nearby countries. But, that is not enough, they will still hunger for the core meal in the center. LOL.
Also, I'm sure many of the German locals that has punted in the better days, probably are so used to how much they can get for the pricing, that once the service level drops in the club and girls mainly get targeted for tourist as they become the majority, they start looking elsewhere. Smaller clubs, etc. This further creates a different club clientel, and therefore changes in service levels in clubs.
Anyway, if people have been around in the scene long enough, should be able to see a trend of things to occur.
[QUOTE=MrHo;1964376]These two races are hot till they hit age 35 LOL.[/QUOTE]Do you have a post age 35 favorite race also?
Ok, so what can be done? There are basically a too high ratio of tourists in all the top Hessen clubs. Especially palace, mainhatten, oase and sharks. Like 50%+ But in other regions there are still large clubs able to take in the same amount of customers. And since this seems to be more about lowering the rate of newbie tourists compared to hardcore mongers (thanks McA) or locals, then why are some hessen people on this forum so contempt on only advertising the hessen clubs as opposed to nrw or even bw? Never been to hamburg myself, but I hear Babylon is another huge club in area too...
Clubs like Oceans and Paradise leinfelden are huge and has great potentials too. And there should be a possibility to divert tourists in these directions. Other clubs like Sakura, Samya and Acapulco might deserve more reports too. There are huge amounts of silent readers on forums like this. Don't underestimate them. They might just read here the last week before they go. And then decide based on the busiest threads.
Or is the idea to hype the clubs that you don't like, just in order to keep the tourists away from the 'gem clubs'? lol, like that bavarian guy I met at Oceans told me he did. And is this why I am the only one advertising Oceans here? Because the naysayers wants to keep a secret? lol
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1964175]Well I am staying with my theory that there's too many clubs in Germany, too many tourists in the clubs ruining service and pricing.
HB.[/QUOTE]Even I'm only a less than 3 years old baby in Hessen, less clubs with no more F35 or Royal, less girls at World or Oase, no more 100 girls in both, I think also less girls at Palace, only Sharks increased when were less than 50 girls on beginning of 2014 when I discovered. I don't know how many girls at Sharks now, I didn't see 150 girls on my Saturday 5 November visit, but who care? Who can go with more than 50 girls? But who look for beauties? Me, and I also know less than 40 rooms, without wood chalets. Not sure a girl want to go in chalet at the moment.
As a more than 100 days per year in FKK, I agree some kind of tourists choose to overpay girls to be sure they will go with them, or stay free for them. A girl who was said not to like me anymore, told me she was paid 600 to stay free for 6 hours, but only about 1 hour in room, mostly chatting and hugging. As she was usually not so busy, even could be high level, it was her lucky, easy business day, good for her. Some girls know the hugging strategy with some clients. Seda at LR was an expert.
Raïssa at World was booked all week end 18/19 July 2015 by an old Asian, staying in couch or at the bar, you can read posts about at this time, describing how she looked bored.
Justina was booked all night by a German guy, staying at the bar, drinking champagne, on World Christmas party 2015 . At least, she didn't have problems with Hells on that night.
Many Eastern guys or old Germans pay girls to chat, hug, drink, smoke, in room, and even tip to thank girls to go with them. Girls are happy to be paid to speak about me.
Sharks is now suffering from same touristic disease than Oase, before. Oase try now to improve, after having been down.
But Sharks is not the FKK world center, and I know many high level girls at the moment, too many at GT, I can t go with all of them, even with 3 rooms yesterday. Also at LR, Globe, if I lived in Zurich I would not need to come to Sharks, compare to Globe, Aphrodisia, Bumsalp, real paradise land, but everybody can believe bullshits.
My only regret is Nicole at Harmony, because so difficult to drive to Hamburg with A1 and A2 many works, but Dusseldorf or Zurich are as easy as FRA for me.
Just have to work to find what we look for, no problem for me, only paying clubs rates, never tiping, my only tip is to ask at the end of the room to the girl like Kity yesterday, if she wants we repeat in future? My said victims usually want, I repeated with angel face beauty Kity a few hours later, even she was tired. Now she knows, after a first sporty room and a second soft room, and I keep on being a many times repeating specialist.
Just have to enjoy what we are able to do.
Some are saving that Sunday is a crap day for Sharks. Early on they are right. Arrived 11 am. Could not find a hot girl to do till 3 pm. No problem to take a good girl on Sat at Oase at 11 am.
Most of the early girls are ugly. I am hard but fair. Lots of silicone or very saggy tits. Lots of ugly faces. Okay There are a very small number of appealing girls who go straight to their regular customers. I had no chance. E. g. Sandra available for all of 5 secs or maybe she appointments.
I approached pretty Delia, slim will almost no tits. Unfortunately she needed to detail all the serious limitations of a 50 Euro session. I am likely to take 1 hour however all chance of her being a sweet girl seemed to have been killed off. I lost my attraction to her very rapidly. She needs to learn to be sweet or just shut up. No session.
Yvonna had a nice face and great tits. She dashed off to the ladies change for maybe 2 hours. When emerged she said needed to go eat. Then straight to her regular. Much later she was available but I lost interest by then.
Finally decided I would have to take sweet pretty Melanie with glasses. A bit too slim but Still looked better than the vast majority. I should add that girls like Dina did not interest me. I need smaller ass. Also Bella who was in Oase Saturday was now in Sharks. Maybe works both clubs.
Anyway Melanie turned out to be a good choice, however only lip kissing, and everything else good. 1 hour used. A little timid but we both had a good time. She is quite a funny girl.
Later took Lana (Dom Rep). We knew each other from a distant past meeting. She was once called Luna in another club. She does a great soft smooth BBBJ to CIM. Very good GFE session. She like DATY too, if the guy starts with good soft technique.
By the time selection was improving a lot, I had to leave. However I cannot recommend Sharks for early on a Sunday. Friday or Saturday are vastly better.
There are pretty girls, but so few of them. Lots of new ugly girls. A large line up is no benefit when 90% or more have either plain face or poor body. Some great bodies like Diana but no great figures early on.
I don't see a great difference in the line ups between Oase and Sharks in the evening if take only the best looking 10 girls. Daytime I prefer Oase. Maybe that is unfair as judging Sharks by Sunday only.
Sharks breakfast lacked Croissants and Liver Wuerst and Oranges and bananas. Oase BF is slightly better than Sharks now. Dinner the beef was very nice as usual.
DFK can be had at both Oase abd Sharks if you know the right girls. Plenty of girls are not giving it too, even in an hour. I don't see any difference in the two clubs in possibility to get GFE and DFK.
If you know the girls long time, it helps a lot. You can get the DFK automatically with no upsell or mood killing discussions.
I guess service will improve if (1- Decreases men Or 2- Increase girls).
And if lots of men are easy targets and they give easy money. Then they are ruining service.
I think its simple. Girls who can earn big money, are not motivated so much by having to work real hard for a 50. I have seen girls able to improve their service greatly for a promise of a regular customer who pay better.
I can accept that getting big money too easily from Tourists can stuff that up.
What guys are asking for is uniformity where every customer pays good money only when the good service is arriving. Like I may only go more than a fifty if she gives me a reasonable GFE. Perhaps I am not tough enough. Girls probably understand I will rarely repeat if GFE is not good. Some do not care. Others do want the repeat business. Not all girls are really smart in terms of maximising their repeat customers or even in hooking the customer in first place.
The locals can move to non Touristy clubs and some of them are already. Back to World? LOL
In the end, girls certainly have the ability to give better to their preferred customers. I have received good service from girls that some of the locals rated as crap. Other times the reverse.
I must be spoiling the market. Fancy paying all my girls at least 100 for the hour and occasionally more time or extras. Also stupidly I allow them to relax with long Daty. Easy money for just lying there part of the time.
Was service any better in 2004 when I first started at FKK? The best girls. ow are just as good. It simply we have a lot more bad girls now. There have always been plenty of mediocre girls.
That is why we concentrate on repeating the really good performing girls to our own style, right?
Endlessly changing girls is not beneficial and certainly does not motivate girls to perform.
I am pleased to meet girls who really want to be the very best and one of the top girls in the club, not just to be shit and rip off guys.
I meet girls who want to have a lot of fun with customer and no stress
Lack of a pay rise probably equals bad service. In the future, CIM bonus to be yanked off them too.
With most girls, a fiddy is just not going to cut it for good service any more.
[QUOTE=Tuber19;1964691]I guess service will improve if (1- Decreases men Or 2- Increase girls).
[/QUOTE]That's the situation for the last 24+ months. Increasing no of girls and no increase in men or money spent. Didn't help service levels at all.
HB.
I used to be a heavy-smoker until two years ago I quit smoking. Since then I noticed second-hand smoking bothering me more and more. It sometime significantly reduces my sexual desire. So recently I spent less than before in Sharks. Second-smoking also became a major reason I terminate session early if a girl requests smoking in the room. I stopped seeing my several regulars in Sharks this year because of this.
Second-hand smoking also do harm to girls health and beauty. Girls would age quickly in the indoor environment full of smoking. They knew that. Quite a few of my regulars at Sharks told me that they don't smoke cigarettes outside club, but inside club they smoke like chimney because peer pressures. Megan is one of few girls never smoke cigarettes. Because of this, I always offer her long-hour-session even if she is not my regular yet.
I know a lot of guys hate smoking too. I was in Sharks last weekend and met two guys from America. One of Their major complaints is the second-hand smoking. We all agreed if Sharks was a smoking-free club, we would mostly like to spend more money on girls. These two Americans are Sharks regulars, they told me they visited Sharks more than ten times a year.
Manhattan and Palace are the only smoke free clubs around Frankfurt area. I like that. If their LU could be improved a little bit, I will visit there far more frequently.
This weekend the management organized a long meeting with all the girls in which the boss announced that Sharks was elected as the best FKK in Germany by the famous internet site. Who elected? ISG?
[QUOTE=JohnEllee;1964811]I used to be a heavy-smoker until two years ago I quit smoking. Since then I noticed second-hand smoking bothering me more and more. It sometime significantly reduces my sexual desire. So recently I spent less than before in Sharks. Second-smoking also became a major reason I terminate session early if a girl requests smoking in the room. I stopped seeing my several regulars in Sharks this year because of this.
Second-hand smoking also do harm to girls health and beauty. Girls would age quickly in the indoor environment full of smoking. They knew that. Quite a few of my regulars at Sharks told me that they don't smoke cigarettes outside club, but inside club they smoke like chimney because peer pressures. Megan is one of few girls never smoke cigarettes. Because of this, I always offer her long-hour-session even if she is not my regular yet.
I know a lot of guys hate smoking too. I was in Sharks last weekend and met two guys from America. One of Their major complaints is the second-hand smoking. We all agreed if Sharks was a smoking-free club, we would mostly like to spend more money on girls. These two Americans are Sharks regulars, they told me they visited Sharks more than ten times a year.
Manhattan and Palace are the only smoke free clubs around Frankfurt area. I like that. If their LU could be improved a little bit, I will visit there far more frequently.[/QUOTE]Its especially unbearable during hot days. Shouldve a smoking area like Mainhatten.
[QUOTE=JohnEllee;1964811]... I noticed second-hand smoking bothering me more and more. It sometime significantly reduces my sexual desire. So recently I spent less than before in Sharks. Second-smoking also became a major reason I terminate session early if a girl requests smoking in the room. I stopped seeing my several regulars in Sharks this year because of this.[/QUOTE]It is not only the high degree of smoking everywhere, it is the constant high level of noise (music and television) everywhere in the club that adds to the tiring effects. BTW, some people call that "wellness".