Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1727740]It's hard to believe that professional P4P ladies might be too ignorant to lubricate themselves well. But I know this from my own experience with Thai ladies. This really is true. A lot of P4P ladies never get any kind of sexual training. They are doing it as amateurs, even when they work as professionals. They can be so ignorant about it that they never lubricate themselves and instead blame guys for being "too big" and having "too much sex".[/QUOTE]I have encountered several Thai women, both professional and civilian, who are embarrassed or feel shameful about having a wet pussy. The moment they start to self lubricate due to arousal, they try to wipe it away so you are not "bothered" by it. I suspect this plays into the Thai woman's obsession with being clean and freshly showered. Consequently, many of those same ladies prefer "dry" sexual intercourse, feel more comfortable about you entering their vaginas when they are relatively dry and not dripping wet. On many, many occasions I have had to talk fast to prevent a Thai woman from reaching for her nearby towel to wipe away her natural lubrication and convince her that her pussy being wet, very wet, is a "good" thing, not a "bad" thing, and much better for my pleasure as well as hers.

A cultural preference for "dry" sex, especially upon initial entry, sometimes being the preference for the man as well, is not as rare a cultural phenomenon around the world as one might think. And sometimes the obsession is very much to the detriment of the society in terms of health. This would be so in some areas of Sub-Saharan Africa, where it is speculated the intense cultural obsession with "dry" sex is a contributing factor to the dramatically higher level of heterosexual HIV transmission one does not find in almost any other parts of the world, more abrasive "dry" sex being much more likely to tear and damage the inner lining of a vagina as well as the outer layer of skin on a penis and, thereby, provide more occasions for the exchange of blood.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1727901]It seems that our favorite spots on Soi 24,24/1, 26 and even Bamboo on Soi 8 are falling on hard times. Reports of slowing business this year has some of the owners and customers worried of the continued future of these establishments. Bottom line, get out there as soon as possible, otherwise we may no longer have them around to enjoy!

Walking around Soi 8 and 11, it seems there are a lot fewer visitors in general around than a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]I would put this down to a couple of things. First, there are simply fewer tourist (with the exception of Chinese and the are not engaging in P4 P) due to the current political situation in Thailand and the rising prices, especially in the beach areas. Second, for the most part service and looks at these establishments have been on the decline. Although in the last couple of months we have seen a bit of an improvement, the downward trend seems to be continuing.

Mongers came to Thailand in droves for an wild ride that was both fun and affordable. It is not near as fun nor as affordable. Dudes from North America have options that are closer and cheaper. Even Europeans can pay less and not have to fly 12 hrs.

To address the former, the Thais really don't care. They are making plenty of money off the ill-mannered horde from China.

Bangkok itself becomes more and more of a beating almost every day. Increasing traffic, more and more crowds, and fewer points of interest (unless you love new shopping malls and condos). Hey, I still think the best looking women in the world are here and the food is amazing, but the edge is certainly gone.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1727735]My experience was a little the reverse. Last time with Dao, I just had the feeling that silicones don't work well on an older girl, she is way older than Yok who is still only late twenties. Just did not click like in times long gone by. Lacklustre for me.

Yok was still quite good for me, last time. Fortunately I don't need big tits, can ignore the stretch marks, and BJ in the shower is not important anymore. Chemistry was still good.[/QUOTE]Yok is still my all time favorite. I like her to blow me again after taking off rubber.

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There you go.[/QUOTE]Appreciated Kuratla!!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1727971]. First, there are simply fewer tourist (with the exception of Chinese and the are not engaging in P4 P) due to the current political situation in Thailand and the rising prices, especially in the beach areas. Second, for the most part service and looks at these establishments have been on the decline.
.[/QUOTE]Twas ever thus from one who remembers the heydays of post Vietnam. But more recently 'mongers' have in my view become more aware that post April Thailand is too hot and humid until November.

Growing western incomes, increased self-employment, less factory fixed holidays..... A wealth of reasons why tourism by mongers is more selective in its travel times.

As to service. In part service was always better in the past, no really it was. In fact the Thais are less dependent of giving good service as rising incomes and job opportunities often mean the the bar girl no longer has to support an extended family.

Nonethe lessthe gems are still there and well worth seeking.

[QUOTE=HoleScout69;1727748]Perhaps those single pop ladys just think there is no point giving multipops for the same money.


Does anyone know if nadia is also still servicing customers at cherry shop?

[/QUOTE]She is, or anyway, she was in April.

[QUOTE=JasonBen84;1727013]Apple: age:30 + Face: 6. 5/10 Body: 7.5/10, anal / BBBJ / CIM / DFK /69/ GFE / PSE / WIR: Yes. More reports to follow.[/QUOTE]Does Apple rim your ass?

I had a question in my PM inbox, I thought my response would be helpful to other gents here. Question was, how do I get to the varies MP locations? The person asking found it hard to visit different MP with dealing with the Thai taxi drivers, e. G. , most do not speak good English or they take you to the wrong MP, not the one you asked for). My simple approach is as follows:

1. On the website, ilikemassage most of the MPs in Bangkok are provide with address and name written in Thai. I simply use my cell phone, with internet connection, and go to the website. I screen print the Thai MP address and name written in Thai and save it to my phone picture gallery. When I get in the taxi, I simply show the taxi driver my cell phone, while my cell phone is on and the screen is showing the Thai name and address written in Thai (which is the screen print I saved to my picture gallery). Also, Bangkok 2 night (one word) sight has maps for most of the MP. You have to click on the MP info, and in the upper right hand conner is a map written in Thai. Again, just screen print and show to taxi driver.

Or,

2.

If you have the name and address of the MP written in English, just ask the hotel front desk guy to translate it for you and write it in Thai. Some Thai women working the front desk may feel uncomfortable in translating information to help you bang Thai women. Nevertheless, if that does not bother you, you can ask the front desk girl to do it. I find it funny that the regular Thai girls are always shocked and look down on men coming to their country to fu_k Thai girls. But these same women do not think twice about Thai men, including their dad and brothers or other Thai men they know, doing it. Somehow, that is overlooked or accepted. Nor do regular Thai girls or public officials put down Thai women (at least not in public or in the media) for selling sex.

All Thai women know that MPs were created for Thai men, not foreigners. But Thai women never put down Thai men for going to the MPs and it is never talked about in the media or in the newspaper in relation to Thai men paying for sex with Thai women. If sex for sell is ever talked about in the media, it is always in relation to some foreigner. Thailand is a country of double standards, but I still love the women.Many do not realize that the selling of sex in Thailand goes back at least several hundred years in Thailand and it is apart of Thai society and culture.

As many of you may have noticed on your visits to both big MPs and Thai Oily (or based on the reports here as it relates to Thai Oily vs. Big MPs), it seems like the girls at the Thai oily are generally more happy and much more willing to please you. Why is that? Have you also noticed that on your visits to the Big Thai MPs, it seems like less girls are in the fishbowl. Why is that? Well, based on my conversations with Thai MP girls both at big MPs and Thai Oily, (using my poor Thai conversation skills, but passable), here is what I have found out:

1.

When I went to Darling MP a few years ago (advice, do not waste your time there), the MP girl I picked asked me an odd question when we got to the room, she wanted to know how much I paid the MP. When I told her 2,500, she was a little pissed. She said, at that time, she only got 900 B of the 2,500 B. At places like Cherry, the girl gets 1,500 B. Thai sex workers are starting to realize working at a big MP is a rip off for them. They do most of the work, and get very little of the money. That is one reason, you will find less girls working at in the fishbowl. Why do all that work, e. G. , bath, sex, massage, BJ, sex, and only get paid 900 B when they can go somewhere else and get paid more. With less overhead, the Thai Oily can give the girl more of the fee. Thus, Thai oily girls tend to be more happy. Also, the oily management works hard to get repeat business and they will get rid of girls with bad attitudes. The oily place is also more laid back then the big mp and the girls are more free to enjoy their job.

2.

Have you noticed at Natree there are a ton of sideliners and very few fishbowl girls. Thai sex workers realize that it is better to do less work and get paid more as a sideliner. In my opinion, the sideliners are nothing more then young street freelancers hookers that decide to come to Natree to get paid more, as much as 2,600 B up to 7,000 B. However, if these same street hookers saw you on the street and asked you for 2,600 or more for short time, you would laugh at them. But they know they can get away with it in Nataree. I refuse to pay those high prices in Natree for such poor service from women who do very little and have generally a poor attitude (I am referring to the sideliners there).

3.

Some MP get their women directly form the poor areas of Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. These women are young and dumb as to the going price for sex. Thus, you will find lots of cute 18 and 19 (some as young as 17 with fake IDs) girls at places like Catherine and Victoria Secret selling sex for 2,500 and up in the fishbowl, but they only get a very small portion of it. Often, these girls are on contract, that is they are paying off debt of family or a loan to their dad as a farmer. This is very common in Asia. Have you ever wondered how all these young cute girls willing sell their body, in fact 1,000's across Thailand. Many do it because, simply, the are obligated to do so for economic reasons. However, as the MP girl gets older, and realize she is being take advantage of, and she is no loonger obligated, she leaves the MP and off to being a freelancer or sideliner where she can make more for doing less work.

I expect this trend of MP finding it more difficult to fill their fishbowls with attractive young women. Most fishbowls today are serviced by older Thai women who are no longer able to obtain the higher prices of being a sideliner. Thus, they work the low level fishbowl tank.

In Western countries, if there were 17, 18, 19 yo girls selling sex, the media and government would be all over it. There would be protest, investigations, scandals, etc. But in Thailand, you never hear of such things. No protest at MPs by Thai women, no government investigations, no government shut down of the MPs, no interviews of the young women to build a case against the MP owners. Why is that? I love Thailand, but the fact is, government officials and business owners would happy sell young women to make lots of money from it. In Asia, money is King and Thais do whatever it takes to get it. It is just a fact of life. Anyone who things different, does not understand how Thai society works. True, that in Western countries, folks do whatever it takes to make money. But Western governments draw the line at selling young girls. In Thailand, the government makes ton of tax money from the selling of sex and they have no problem with girls that are18 working in Bkk MPs. Why, because. every MP must pay tax on money collected, including the MP sex fee.

I am not faulting Thailand for the way things are done, in fact I benefit from the vast availability of sex for sell. I am just amazed that Thai culture pretends it does not exist.

Undercoverh;1728295].

(I am referring to the sideliners there).

What is a sideliner?

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1728314]Undercoverh;1728295].

(I am referring to the sideliners there).

What is a sideliner?[/QUOTE]Massage parlour girls can be grouped into 3 main categories.

Fishbowl. These are full time workers, typically older, less attractive but generally better skilled.

Sideline. Part time girls, often younger and better looking but more expensive.

Model. Some of them are professional magazine models, often have to be booked in advance and charge a lot more than other girls and will often only give minimal service.

Who decides who will be a sideliner and who will be a fishbowl girl? The girl? The MP? Is it purely based on looks?

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1728295]As many of you may have noticed on your visits to both big MPs and Thai Oily (or based on the reports here as it relates to Thai Oily vs. Big MPs), it seems like the girls at the Thai oily are generally more happy and much more willing to please you. Why is that? Have you also noticed that on your visits to the Big Thai MPs, it seems like less girls are in the fishbowl. Why is that? Well, based on my conversations with Thai MP girls both at big MPs and Thai Oily, (using my poor Thai conversation skills, but passable), here is what I have found out:

1.

When I went to Darling MP a few years ago (advice, do not waste your time there), the MP girl I picked asked me an odd question when we got to the room, she wanted to know how much I paid the MP. When I told her 2,500, she was a little pissed. She said, at that time, she only got 900 B of the 2,500 B. At places like Cherry, the girl gets 1,500 B. Thai sex workers are starting to realize working at a big MP is a rip off for them. They do most of the work, and get very little of the money. That is one reason, you will find less girls working at in the fishbowl. Why do all that work, e. G. , bath, sex, massage, BJ, sex, and only get paid 900 B when they can go somewhere else and get paid more. With less overhead, the Thai Oily can give the girl more of the fee. Thus, Thai oily girls tend to be more happy. Also, the oily management works hard to get repeat business and they will get rid of girls with bad attitudes. The oily place is also more laid back then the big mp and the girls are more free to enjoy their job.

2.

Have you noticed at Natree there are a ton of sideliners and very few fishbowl girls. Thai sex workers realize that it is better to do less work and get paid more as a sideliner. In my opinion, the sideliners are nothing more then young street freelancers hookers that decide to come to Natree to get paid more, as much as 2,600 B up to 7,000 B. However, if these same street hookers saw you on the street and asked you for 2,600 or more for short time, you would laugh at them. But they know they can get away with it in Nataree. I refuse to pay those high prices in Natree for such poor service from women who do very little and have generally a poor attitude (I am referring to the sideliners there).

3.

Some MP get their women directly form the poor areas of Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. These women are young and dumb as to the going price for sex. Thus, you will find lots of cute 18 and 19 (some as young as 17 with fake IDs) girls at places like Catherine and Victoria Secret selling sex for 2,500 and up in the fishbowl, but they only get a very small portion of it. Often, these girls are on contract, that is they are paying off debt of family or a loan to their dad as a farmer. This is very common in Asia. Have you ever wondered how all these young cute girls willing sell their body, in fact 1,000's across Thailand. Many do it because, simply, the are obligated to do so for economic reasons. However, as the MP girl gets older, and realize she is being take advantage of, and she is no loonger obligated, she leaves the MP and off to being a freelancer or sideliner where she can make more for doing less work.

I expect this trend of MP finding it more difficult to fill their fishbowls with attractive young women. Most fishbowls today are serviced by older Thai women who are no longer able to obtain the higher prices of being a sideliner. Thus, they work the low level fishbowl tank.

In Western countries, if there were 17, 18, 19 yo girls selling sex, the media and government would be all over it. There would be protest, investigations, scandals, etc. But in Thailand, you never hear of such things. No protest at MPs by Thai women, no government investigations, no government shut down of the MPs, no interviews of the young women to build a case against the MP owners. Why is that? I love Thailand, but the fact is, government officials and business owners would happy sell young women to make lots of money from it. In Asia, money is King and Thais do whatever it takes to get it. It is just a fact of life. Anyone who things different, does not understand how Thai society works. True, that in Western countries, folks do whatever it takes to make money. But Western governments draw the line at selling young girls. In Thailand, the government makes ton of tax money from the selling of sex and they have no problem with girls that are18 working in Bkk MPs. Why, because. every MP must pay tax on money collected, including the MP sex fee.

I am not faulting Thailand for the way things are done, in fact I benefit from the vast availability of sex for sell. I am just amazed that Thai culture pretends it does not exist.[/QUOTE]Are you suggesting siderliners get a significantly higher percentage of the massage fee than do those in the fishbowl? Because if they get the same percentage, those who go for around 2,600 baht would at a place like Nataree only net maybe 200 baht more than the fishbowl girls, which is not much.

I also tend to disagree about the marketability of the Nataree sideline girls if they chose to become freelancers working on the street or in a beer garden. I don't know about 2,600 baht, but I would think most would have no trouble getting 2,000 baht for short-time, which I am sure at least for the 2,600 baht girls would be more than they net working at Nataree.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1727971] ... fewer points of interest (unless you love new shopping malls and condos).[/QUOTE]How can you say that? Who doesn't love a new mall? The shopping... The fantabulous dining in the food courts... The parking hassles.

What? Time for my meds? OK. Gotta go!

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1728346]Are you suggesting siderliners get a significantly higher percentage of the massage fee than do those in the fishbowl? Because if they get the same percentage, those who go for around 2,600 baht would at a place like Nataree only net maybe 200 baht more than the fishbowl girls, which is not much.

I also tend to disagree about the marketability of the Nataree sideline girls if they chose to become freelancers working on the street or in a beer garden. I don't know about 2,600 baht, but I would think most would have no trouble getting 2,000 baht for short-time, which I am sure at least for the 2,600 baht girls would be more than they net working at Nataree.[/QUOTE]In the MP industry in Bkk, there is no set percentage that all MP will pay. Some pay less, some pay more. In the case of Natree, management has decided to give more of the sideline fee to the girl, compared to what she could get at another MP as a sideliner.

Have you ever wondered why there are 50 to 75 sideliners at Natere on the weekend and the MP right next door only has 4.I have witnessed this first-hand. It has been docmented on a post by another member on this site that he had seen at least 100 sideliners one night at Natree and they were lined up on all walls. Why is that? Simply stated, Natree gives more of the of the money to the girl from a transaction compared to other MPs. Thus, they attract more young girls to work the sideline business compared to other MP in the same area, even right next door. The sideline business is a nich market for Natree and they have done very well. So well, that they have opened a brand mew big MP on the same street. So it is not about comparing percentages, it is simply Natree pays sideliners better then other MP. Natree takes a smaller share, but they make huges profits on volume.

Regarding what a girl could make on the street, the facts speak for theirself. That is, if a sideliner at Natree felt she could get, as you say 2,000 working the street, then there would not be 50 to 100 sideliners at Natree, they would all be working the streets, but that is not the case. Eeven if we assume some of the girls could get 2,000 b by working the street, it is highly unlikely she would be able to repeat that several times a night. However, at Natree, most sideliners will bang 2 to 3 guys a night and make more money in one night then most Thais make in a month. Also note that the sideline girls in the back go as high as 7,000b and more for some. I can assure you that if that same girl asked for 7,000b as street hooker, no one, in their right mind, would pay it. Or even half that. I am not suggesting guys should not pay the prices for sideline girls at Natree, I am just stating I will not do it.