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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2063104]Does the new law effective 1 July mean that German porno sites like MyDirtyHobby mean that the actors need to wear condoms as well in their films, or are they excluded since they are not performing prostitution but acting in a film and as such exempt?

Following that theme, if I say to my girl in the FKK that I am hiring her to make a movie for my next major motion feature film and that we are going to be the actors in one scene, does that in any way change the activity involved to another state?
[/QUOTE]This has been asked and answered here before. No, the new law doesn't require condoms in porn. And no, you can't get around it by claiming you are making a porn movie.

[QUOTE=DarkNumber;2063450]What is an RTC?[/QUOTE]A red carpet club. I've never been to one, but I can imagine what it looks like inside.

[QUOTE=DarkNumber;2063450]What is an RTC?[/QUOTE]If you were to spend less than one minute scrolling down this very thread you would find the answer.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2063374]Yep, millions of hours of monger experience on this board and still nobody knows how the girls are really managed.

This is where I totally disagree. I have observed the phenomenon in practically all FKKs.[/QUOTE]What makes you think nobody here knows? Just because not everyone talks about everything? Most likely only assumptions. But these can be strong assumptions too. What we know is that many girls are getting picked up by loverboys / pimps etc after work. And we assume they need initial help to get from poor village country and into the FKK scene in the first place. What I know from the Chinese scene in Macau is that in order for the girls there to get out of the pimp contracts (initial money paid to there parents, and also for travel, room and contacts) were 100 000 Chinese yuan. Some girls who didn't like it said they only would stay there until they had paid it of. Now it seems every country in the whole world has its own ways of how this works. But like investment bankers and microlenders, there are logical reasons for 'agents' to operate in this industry also. Sadly these 'agents' do overcharge in most countries, make terrible contracts that screws over young inexperienced girls, and because everything is illegal, they go to great lengths of hiding every step of the way.

And then the feminists who claim they know everything best for the girls come in shoving it deeper below ground. Making contracts even worse for the poor girls because the risk factor goes up, and nothing is controlled.

[QUOTE=DarkNumber;2063450]What is an RTC?[/QUOTE]The answer to your question is literally one and two pages down.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2063264]If you are in Frankfurt why you not try Dietzenbach first? Is an RTC![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Optimist;2063281]If you have only a short time then definitely Christian is right: go to Dietzenbach and save a five hour round trip to Venus etc.[/QUOTE]I definitely plan to go to Dietzenbach. But I plan to visit Cologne & Bonn anyway so wanted to have options.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2063281]Don't bother with Annabella, which has a tiny tiny lineup[/QUOTE]THAT'S helpful, thanks! I'll probably try Luderland, and I want to check out Pascha just to see it. The other three days will include Dietzenbach, Oase, Mainhatten, and Sharks.

Don't want to interfere but Luderland has been getting really bad reports for some time on German forums.

If you are going to Koln Bonn from Frankfurt you might do much better to drop by Finca in DierdorfIt has a variable lineup but can be great. Usually up to 25 to 30 girls, with a handful of really nice looking ones. Look at the thread for more info.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2063509]
And then the feminists who claim they know everything best for the girls come in shoving it deeper below ground. Making contracts even worse for the poor girls because the risk factor goes up, and nothing is controlled.[/QUOTE]

Salaam Pistons. I absolutely agree. The government says the FKKs can't exert any control over the girls because then the girls wouldn't be independent. But most girls can't work in a vacuum. If the FKKs don't set the rules, then somebody much worse will, for example Romanian pimp gangs. What if a girl has no accommodation? What if she can't understand all the new registration forms?

FKKs should be allowed a reasonable degree of autonomy and the ability to make their own House Rules: e. G. No pimp tattoos, no cheating the customers, etc. And they should not be prevented from helping out the girls with the basics. If an FKK has bad rules, girls won't go there and customers won't go there. If an FKK has good rules, it will prosper.

Investment bankers, microlenders and pimps all have similar raisin the'etre.....

Nice touch. I don't know which of them is more insulted at being compared to the others. LOL.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2063687]Investment bankers, microlenders and pimps all have similar raisin the'etre.....

Nice touch. I don't know which of them is more insulted at being compared to the others. LOL.[/QUOTE]Funny. I have always thought this is the perfect industry for microlending. It would help sex workers in poor countries have the resources to travel to a wealthier country to work and earn far more in a safer environment.

And it would allow ladies at many large incall brothels and agencies with an entrepreneurial streak to get an incall place of her own (or the ability to share a trick pad), good advertising and a web site, and better technology to make appointments and screen her customers to the extent possible.

Those miscroloans usually have little or no interest and are made by people genuinely wanting to help others get a leg up (two legs up in the case of sex workers).

Most of the world would have a shit hemorrhage if that happened, which is why it won't. So exploitation will continue to occur.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2063695]Funny. I have always thought this is the perfect industry for microlending. It would help sex workers in poor countries have the resources to travel to a wealthier country to work and earn far more in a safer environment.
[/QUOTE]The correct technical term for a loan to a working girl is "donation," micro, macro, or otherwise. The term "loan" is usually reserved for the situation where one has a realistic expectation of being paid back the lended funds.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2061790]Why would you wear that? It looks much much worse than a condom, and you could only wear it once. I would suspect girls would like to see for themselves if the guy is not carrying STD's also though.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the response, Pistons. I hate to get Crab louse or syphilis or antibiotics-resistant gonorrhea which you can not prevent with regular condom. We can wear the rubber underwear as many times as we like.

My plan is to put on a condom under and over this Penis Bermuda with sheath. With that way, we can keep the Penis Bermuda clean and re-usable.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2063374]Agreed. And if they happen to be the prettiest girls in the club, that makes things very frustrating for punters and really spoils the atmosphere.

And this is why I had to laugh when the guys on the Sharks thread wanted to raise the half-hourly rate from 50 to 60 euros. If the girls are so money-oriented, why aren't they trying to earn money?

Now this is the really scary possibility to me: that an external force is messing with the incentives of the girls and the game is quite different from what we are led to believe.

I mean, if a girl comes in with the name of her pimp emblazoned on her, what are the odds she is on a fixed wage? This is the kind of thing FKKs should crack down on before the government uses it as an excuse for further interference.

Yep, millions of hours of monger experience on this board and still nobody knows how the girls are really managed.

This is where I totally disagree. I have observed the phenomenon in practically all FKKs.[/QUOTE]Curious observation? Noticed a tattoo on the inner forearm of Mandy the other day, its states Emmanuel, so I had to ask who the fuck is that?

She said a "family member"? Seriously? Please opine? Any thoughts?

I would say she is easily the hardest working / highest earner there (any correlations)!

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2063720]The correct technical term for a loan to a working girl is "donation," micro, macro, or otherwise. The term "loan" is usually reserved for the situation where one has a realistic expectation of being paid back the lended funds.[/QUOTE]I didn't mean funds from a customer. I meant a real loan out of altruism.

This charitable concept, I think the term is Kiva loans but it has been a long time since I read about it, was started when it was found that there are a lot of poor farmers that don't want a handout, they want enough funds to buy or rent some land and seed to farm. They want a loan that they can pay back and earn a profit and feed the community. But there is no honest banking system around, just warlords, for them to get a loan.

So they get the loan from wealthier folks who participate in this program, the nominal interest goes for administrative expenses, and the wealthy lenders just get back principal. If the loan is not fully repaid, the wealthy donor gets a charitable donation if his country's tax system allows that.

The sex worker in a poor country faces many of the same issues as the poor African farmer. Does anyone really believe the nonsense that Korean women who did sex work in Korea thought they were going to another country to sew? They know that sewing jobs exist in Asia because there aren't any sewing factories in wealthier countries. But a person does feel bad when he reads about the often exploitive system that causes them to pay a fortune to get to wealthier countries to do the same sex work that they did at home.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2063746]I didn't mean funds from a customer. I meant a real loan out of altruism.
[/QUOTE]Yes, yes, I understand. I have seen these documentaries about microloans. Some places employ social collateral as a means of collecting as well and have enjoyed much impact and success.

My post was merely a comment that it's difficult to get repayment of loans from working girls, whether the loan is extended from a customer or a non-customer. That's all. Cultural thing.

On another note, do working girls really need micro-loans given their income? Their income potential is not the same as some of these destitute farmers making $1-2/day. When working girls need a loan, the amount is usually not so "micro."

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2063813]Yes, yes, I understand. I have seen these documentaries about microloans. Some places employ social collateral as a means of collecting as well and have enjoyed much impact and success.

My post was merely a comment that it's difficult to get repayment of loans from working girls, whether the loan is extended from a customer or a non-customer. That's all. Cultural thing.

On another note, do working girls really need micro-loans given their income? Their income potential is not the same as some of these destitute farmers making $1-2/day. When working girls need a loan, the amount is usually not so "micro."[/QUOTE]Only when starting in the business. And the loan would probably be repaid after 1-3 months. Then again, the borrower could measure her by looks too. In order to set the risk at the right level.