[QUOTE=Jymondor;2064207]What USA clubs you are talking about? What cities? Prostitution is prohibited in most of states.[/QUOTE]Except Nevada. There's brothels all over that state.
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[QUOTE=Jymondor;2064207]What USA clubs you are talking about? What cities? Prostitution is prohibited in most of states.[/QUOTE]Except Nevada. There's brothels all over that state.
Wow, you were "stuck" for six weeks doing something that you apparently hated, such as fucking FKK girls. When I am stuck in a rut for six weeks, it is working on whatever senseless random project that is conceived by my idiot boss. Wouldn't mind swapping places the next time.
You wouldn't happen to be Kaveman's twin, would you? For a min I thought perhaps you were him, except that Kaveman is so high end, he wouldn't be caught dead in a German FKK unless he grew a fake beard and pink contacts.
How much did the hotel costs add up to for six weeks that would have been astronomical. Or maybe just live in a tent somewhere. I never noted a lot of flies in the NRW maybe that is a problem further south though. Usually the girls in FKK are more in shape than USA girls. I would recommend checking out some girls posting their own ads to mix it up a little if you are there for six entire weeks. My favorite girl in Germany was actually found on an ad, not connected to a club.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2064261]Wow, you were "stuck" for six weeks doing something that you apparently hated, such as fucking FKK girls. When I am stuck in a rut for six weeks, it is working on whatever senseless random project that is conceived by my idiot boss. Wouldn't mind swapping places the next time.
You wouldn't happen to be Kaveman's twin, would you? For a min I thought perhaps you were him, except that Kaveman is so high end, he wouldn't be caught dead in a German FKK unless he grew a fake beard and pink contacts.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2064117]And like the corporations that exploit the american student, they get them to incur a large debt, and they become less selective about employment options, they just need to earn earn earn!!
I don't agree with it, but its a very effective model.[/QUOTE]In quantity yes, in quality no. It results in crap mindless work. Institutions filled with drones who are holding the real achievers back.
I have sometimes made the point that a certain minority of women are naturally promiscuous. For them FKKs are a positive way of life because they are getting paid for what they would be doing anyway.
But it is easy to forget about this minority if you are used to screwing women who are motivated by fear -- the predictable model of income that is encouraged by the pimp networks and which is highlighted by those who want to shut the whole thing down.
There is nothing necessary about it but you think it's necessary if you see nothing else.
Marquis. It was great fun to meet you at both ends of your tour.
Maybe you over egg the pudding you are making, but it is refreshing to hear from someone who is not bound by the myth of FKK. As we discussed, I don't think your standards are too high: aiming to find character, integrity, and nice looks in a working girl is a reasonable target which many visitors don't even aim for.
A couple of points.
While in my opinion the looks of girls in FKK are less good than they used to be, it may partly be that you were working on the American concept of facial beauty. I remember when I first saw romanians: I thought they were all hideous. Then I looked more closely, and now I find the Romanian face really really attractive, and really don't like the American idea of beauty. As you say FKK is only suitable if one likes East European girls.
I was surprised at your comments about the Germans. I don't understand the comments about being gay so I won't respond. Personally I find the Germans to be generally very helpful and pleasant: they tend not to be very extrovert in meeting new people, and you must remember you are a guest in their country with no words of their language. Staff in Sharks are however appallingly rude and justify your wrath.I remember you very politely asking a girl (the Romanian one) at the outside bar, for a drink, and she was absolutely foul to you in response. I was shocked and very angry: nothing, and I mean nothing, excuses such appalling behaviour.
And referring to Germany as having third world problems seems unreal. Yes there are people in the street who have problems, but they are, unlike the USA, not all corralled into areas defined by race and/or poverty The inequality in Germany is minimal compared to that in the US. No way is German culture being destroyed: adapting to newcomers and changing, yes. A society that doesn't change gets boring and sclerotic.
Shame you aren't coming back. But given what you told me about the US I think FKK has little to offer.
Have fun
MarquisdeSade1,
I find your report very offensive in a few points and I sense you are a poorly educated person.
The comparison of gypsies to Indian "untouchables" reflects a high level of ignorance, regardless of you posting a random URL that you probably haven't even read. Sinti and Rom are ethnic groups that originate in the northern part of India several centuries ago. The Hindu concept of "untouchability" was abolished in 1950 and the current two PM candidates for the next Indian elections are both direct descendants of "untouchable" people. In addition I'm sure you have grown up listening to 'untouchables' rockstars, such as Farrokh Bulsara (or Freddy Mercury for the rest of the World).
The use of condom for FS is everything but retarded.
As Optimist say, you comparing Germany to a third world country. My goodness, do Americans have no shame or a slight sense of reality nowadays? And, yes, Western Europe is more civilised than USA!
OK I stop here because I could go on and on!
Rock.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2062681]As you say, very little of what we write is useful given the sheer volume of hot air (to which I am now adding).[/QUOTE]Yes, not much useful. But sheer volume generates interest and makes people curious. It's natural to want to be in on the secret or know what others are talking about.
I remember meeting one Asian monger who explained that he started FKKing in 2004 (or 2003). They said they were the only Asian face at Oase back then! That definitely is not the case now. Surely, the Internet and maybe even ISG had something to do with that growth. How else would they be finding out about FKK? Friends? Family? Colleagues? German taxi driver? Other mongers in their home country? Adds from another sex forum?
I wasn't around back then. When did FKK stop being a cult secret? And when exactly did the German FKK threads start to grow exponentially?
MarquisdeSade1,
Bad luck if you didn't enjoy your so long time FKK tour, but only stuck at GT for weeks, at Oase for tourists, or at Sharks. Only a very small part of FKK land, only experiencing quite touristic clubs and you visited Sharks 1 year too late. So many other clubs to discover and enjoy. In Hamburg, at Atmos more German girls. In most of other clubs, even at expensive Globe and very expensive Aphrodisia in Zurich city, for 280/30 mn, or 500/ h, mostly Romanian girls, my best sweet GF in FKK and I enjoy so much such kittens women. FKK are for guys who like Romanian girls. For those who don't like Romanian girls, don't go to FKK.
Anyway, FKK are less expensive than US clubs, and you rate FKK higher for services. I found some real beauties in FKK when I didn't see many Californian look girls for my US visits. Nea. Ro at World was my Californian look girl in FKK, even only once with her, but I liked her smile. Each one own tastes of course.
For bareback sex, you should have visited Dietz close to Sharks, or many clubs around Dusseldorf, to cum in girls for only 30, such trash paid sex. I dream more on beauties or GFE behavior. Good times for me in FKK, to make me drive more than 1000 kms every week ends.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2064524]I wasn't around back then. When did FKK stop being a cult secret? And when exactly did the German FKK threads start to grow exponentially?[/QUOTE]It seems from what I can tell from the post counts here at ISG that the interest skyrocketed around new year 2012. (Dec. 2011 was when I was made aware of these clubs too incidentally).
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2064524]I remember meeting one Asian monger who explained that he started FKKing in 2004 (or 2003). They said they were the only Asian face at Oase back then![/QUOTE]Pfff ... not true. Trade / business takes a lot of Asian businessmen to Germany. Frankfurt is a major financial centre. The trade fairs of Frankfurt have been there longer than the FKK Clubs. There has always been a strong attendance of international gents (including Asians) at the Hessen Clubs as long as I can recall / having made observations (2004).
IMO the difference lies in their connection to Germany. Back in early / mid 2000's most foreign visitors were well educated with a connection to Germany through business, and thus had more respect for German culture (including FKK culture and speaking the language). They were sex tourists, but more than that they were businessmen / expats. Today there are more fly in/fly out sex tourists (including Asians) without any clue about Germany or understanding of German (p4p) culture.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2064525]MarquisdeSade1,
Bad luck if you didn't enjoy your so long time FKK tour, but only stuck at GT for weeks, at Oase for tourists, or at Sharks. Only a very small part of FKK land, only experiencing quite touristic clubs and you visited Sharks 1 year too late. So many other clubs to discover and enjoy. In Hamburg, at Atmos more German girls. In most of other clubs, even at expensive Globe and very expensive Aphrodisia in Zurich city, for 280/30 mn, or 500/ h, mostly Romanian girls, my best sweet GF in FKK and I enjoy so much such kittens women. FKK are for guys who like Romanian girls. For those who don't like Romanian girls, don't go to FKK.
Anyway, FKK are less expensive than US clubs, and you rate FKK higher for services. I found some real beauties in FKK when I didn't see many Californian look girls for my US visits. Nea. Ro at World was my Californian look girl in FKK, even only once with her, but I liked her smile. Each one own tastes of course.
For bareback sex, you should have visited Dietz close to Sharks, or many clubs around Dusseldorf, to cum in girls for only 30, such trash paid sex. I dream more on beauties or GFE behavior. Good times for me in FKK, to make me drive more than 1000 kms every week ends.[/QUOTE]You are one of the most objective and rational mongers I met on the tour, au revoir!
[QUOTE=Optimist;2064408]Marquis. It was great fun to meet you at both ends of your tour.
Maybe you over egg the pudding you are making, but it is refreshing to hear from someone who is not bound by the myth of FKK. As we discussed, I don't think your standards are too high: aiming to find character, integrity, and nice looks in a working girl is a reasonable target which many visitors don't even aim for.
A couple of points.
While in my opinion the looks of girls in FKK are less good than they used to be, it may partly be that you were working on the American concept of facial beauty. I remember when I first saw romanians: I thought they were all hideous. Then I looked more closely, and now I find the Romanian face really really attractive, and really don't like the American idea of beauty. As you say FKK is only suitable if one likes East European girls.
I was surprised at your comments about the Germans. I don't understand the comments about being gay so I won't respond. Personally I find the Germans to be generally very helpful and pleasant: they tend not to be very extrovert in meeting new people, and you must remember you are a guest in their country with no words of their language. Staff in Sharks are however appallingly rude and justify your wrath.I remember you very politely asking a girl (the Romanian one) at the outside bar, for a drink, and she was absolutely foul to you in response.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm trying to correct all the hyperbole on the forum with a little hyperbole of my own? Did I have any great times? Of course I did, but in the aggregate I would have to say the trip was a bust, especially when I think of how many 18 yo angels I could have had in my fav American club BBFS with the funds I spent in the Romanian FKKs, its funny to sit in a FKK and say I know this song isn't German and ask a WG what language is this? I appreciate our intelligent conversations and you are a really nice guy Mr o (and I think way to nice to the WGs), I hope we can meet up again? Zurich? Wien? London?
I saw your trip plans, Oase? Seriously haha lmao.
Be well!
One thing I know. Guys complaining that 70% of the girls are not fuckable, or it is really 90% or whatever--remove that 50 E exchange and 99% of the guys are not fuckable, from the girls'perspective.
There is a reason it is the guys paying the girls, and not the other way.
It would help to take a look in the mirror every once in a while.
People know now, because we are a lot more connected world -- tons more than even just 15 years ago. In early 2000's, even in the US most people were still on dial up, not to mention PC penetration was not 100%. There were no smartphones. It was worse in many other countries. In Asia outside Japan and the little tigers, back then economies were not as rich as they are today, and most people had no internet connection, and definitely no broadband. Sure some did, but it was a small fraction. And you had to know about FKKs or the forums to search for them. Online porn was still small. Now it is everywhere. Someone interested in paid sex and porn and things of similar nature is bound to come across these clubs and forums, because they show up in Google searches now. Back then, it was less obvious.
If folks are concerned that too many unwashed masses are invading their private enclaves, too bad, because in ten years it will be much worse. This is a one directional tide and no one can stop it or slow it down. May be visa restrictions can slow it down, but the mix of tourists from Asia, and other places is bound to go up.
Travel is much easier. With international sim cards and google voice you can call for free and receive calls from home for free wherever there is WiFi. The offline GPS maps are free so there is no worry about getting lost driving. The sign up bonuses for airline miles is pretty good to get cheap transportation across the Atlantic also.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2064566]People know now, because we are a lot more connected world -- tons more than even just 15 years ago. In early 2000's, even in the US most people were still on dial up, not to mention PC penetration was not 100%. There were no smartphones. It was worse in many other countries. In Asia outside Japan and the little tigers, back then economies were not as rich as they are today, and most people had no internet connection, and definitely no broadband. Sure some did, but it was a small fraction. And you had to know about FKKs or the forums to search for them. Online porn was still small. Now it is everywhere. Someone interested in paid sex and porn and things of similar nature is bound to come across these clubs and forums, because they show up in Google searches now. Back then, it was less obvious.
If folks are concerned that too many unwashed masses are invading their private enclaves, too bad, because in ten years it will be much worse. This is a one directional tide and no one can stop it or slow it down. May be visa restrictions can slow it down, but the mix of tourists from Asia, and other places is bound to go up.[/QUOTE]