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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2064562]One thing I know. Guys complaining that 70% of the girls are not fuckable, or it is really 90% or whatever--remove that 50 E exchange and 99% of the guys are not fuckable, from the girls'perspective.

There is a reason it is the guys paying the girls, and not the other way.

It would help to take a look in the mirror every once in a while.[/QUOTE]Go into any nightclub in the world and you will find attractive guys buying less attractive females overpriced drinks, whilst hoping they will fuCk them!

Brothels are no different, if anything men's standards seem to be so much lower in brothels, many seem to suspend their standards as a trade off for "a sure thing" and the fact they aren't.

Going to have to see them again, and they can go on the sex forums and tell "fish stories" about how gorgeous the WG was they did last night.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2064525]MarquisdeSade1,

Bad luck if you didn't enjoy your so long time FKK tour, but only stuck at GT for weeks, at Oase for tourists, or at Sharks. Only a very small part of FKK land, only experiencing quite touristic clubs and you visited Sharks 1 year too late. So many other clubs to discover and enjoy. In Hamburg, at Atmos more German girls. In most of other clubs, even at expensive Globe and very expensive Aphrodisia in Zurich city, for 280/30 mn, or 500/ h, mostly Romanian girls, my best sweet GF in FKK and I enjoy so much such kittens women. FKK are for guys who like Romanian girls. For those who don't like Romanian girls, don't go to FKK.

Anyway, FKK are less expensive than US clubs, and you rate FKK higher for services. I found some real beauties in FKK when I didn't see many Californian look girls for my US visits. Nea. Ro at World was my Californian look girl in FKK, even only once with her, but I liked her smile. Each one own tastes of course.

For bareback sex, you should have visited Dietz close to Sharks, or many clubs around Dusseldorf, to cum in girls for only 30, such trash paid sex. I dream more on beauties or GFE behavior. Good times for me in FKK, to make me drive more than 1000 kms every week ends.[/QUOTE]So feminist politicians get to decide how much pleasure they think you should be allowed to enjoy.

In the american clubs I go in, it is not!

Guess what? That's a good thing.

A very good thing.

Do you know what the rules are?

Well, there are none.

Do you know what the prices are?

Well, there are none.

A truly free market.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2064548]You are one of the most objective and rational mongers I met on the tour, au revoir![/QUOTE]Zurich, Wien, Villach. At, are same Romania than Germany, for more expensive than Germany, but minimum full time salary in Switzerland is over 4000 CHF per month. Villach = Wellcum and Andiamo, is for easy Italians, staff speak Italian, not German, there. Switzerland is just high GFE level for Romanian beauties lovers like me, or for great ski.

For what you seem to like at home, AO clubs are for this kind of sex, but have to succeed to find fuckable girls.

Wherever, whenever, enjoy your time because life can be shorter than what we think.

From my experience, so many lovely girls willing to please us in FKK, saying: What do you like I do for you? It s important for me you finish because I want you feel good. I find more and more real GF behavior, maybe because I learned to love Romanian beauties and for sure because girls feel in few seconds and caresses how I behave, so they play my game. Romanians can be skillful to play GF, not so sure to play trash pornstar. Germans or Polish may be more trash. Maybe to try Poland close to German border, where can also find cheap rates in deep Poland, or Hamburg?

For my tastes, I found few weeks ago a real GF who is able to kiss me all day, all what I enjoy, she is Hungarian from Debrecen, so close to Oradia. Ro, and she really smells Romania for her sweetness and tenderness, but like my maybe ex or very new LR girls, she can become very hot for sex, kitten becoming fire after foreplay. Great game to caress kittens.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2064562]One thing I know. Guys complaining that 70% of the girls are not fuckable, or it is really 90% or whatever--remove that 50 E exchange and 99% of the guys are not fuckable, from the girls'perspective.

There is a reason it is the guys paying the girls, and not the other way.

It would help to take a look in the mirror every once in a while.[/QUOTE]Of course that is how it is to a certain extent. The willingness to pay must always be weighed in. And that's what sets the market balance. If every girl at an ffk were fuckable there would either be a major price hike, or a lot more guys at the clubs. Now of course transportation to the clubs and cultural norms of paying prostitutes weighs down too, but not too much.

When it comes to guys being fuckable for the girls, this probably changes greatly from club to club. Some clubs are rumored among the girls to have more fat and / or ugly and / or old guys, while other clubs get more a younger more well hing male clientelle. And some girls actually do take take this into account to some degree when choosing where to work. Even if money normally trumps everything after a few weeks (LOL). But considering the amount of rooms some of these girls make and all the thrusting and fucking these girls are taking, sensation is getting harder and harder to sustain during sex. They should definitely eat more aphrodisiacs however. That would probably help. Some of these girls actually go on sex vacations too. Believe it or not! Just in order to hit up more good looking guys instead of most of the lot they find in FKK's.

Marquis. You know why I will try Oase :D. Thanks for the info.

I enjoyed your corrective to the rose tinted reviews of Germany. A welcome change.

I agree: I am perhaps too nice to the working girls by and large. It used to work a treat but there are so many unscrupulous workers now, so I am thinking I need to get myself a shark cage before I explore the waters again. Mind you, being nice still does pay off quite often.

I'm thinking that isg members should invite you back to FKKS to give master classes in negotiation;)

Cheers

Marquis. Problem with FKK is not that it is legal. It was legal years ago and service and looks were great. It is a combination of monoculture by a nationality that has a very obsessive view of money, plus an over hyping that means there are too many customers with low standards when it comes to services.

Jnpr. I totally agree with the point you make, and when I am with a 20 year old and paying 50 euros or less for all sorts of services, my mind melts down at how amazing it is, especially as I now am so advanced in years.

I do welcome Marquis making the point that service and looks are not so great in FKK. Too much greed and prudery by the girls who each year get fatter and less interesting. The scene in Germany is no longer the paradise it was.

But having said that there is still more than enough for me to keep coming back for the time being at least.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2064097]
And Germany is in big trouble! Walking down the street in ffurt seulberg Cologne ddorf monchengladbach Bruggen Darmstadt.

You see 3rd world trouble every 10 meters, they worry about climate change and recycling what about culture destruction?
[/QUOTE]Spot on!

I recently had to travel by train and I was shocked at what I saw at the train stations of Koeln and Duesseldorf. It's more like a 3rd world country than anything else.

You see, all this hysteria about "climate change" is all about money, taxes and power. The taxes (CO2 tax, Eco tax, KfZ tax, fuel tax, toll for trucks etc.) help pay for the Socialist Dreams, like the multicultural disaster that is unfolding, or the bank bailouts, or wars in the Middle East to "spread freedom and democracy." It's just like the medieval ages and feudal societies back then, when the Catholic church would permanently run fear into the people's lives with scaremongering about "the devil," nowadays they also scare people with things you can not see like CO2 and "global warming. ".

With 90% of the US mainstream media owned by about 6 big corporations and in Europe where you have state owned propaganda TV / radio, it's easy to brainwash the general public with 'statistics' and 'experts.'

In the mean time, the Greens are just as much part of "The Establishment" as Merkel's CDU or the SPD, so forget about them changing anything regarding these stupid prostitution laws. Perhaps in the 1970's and 1980's they were all about 'freedom, sex and love,' but nowadays they are the servants of the extremely conservative immigrants. That's where the populist and politically correct votes are, that's how the Greens can continue their neo-communist agenda: by directly importing poverty and increasingly change Europe into a police state.

You want to see the future for Germany, then look at Sweden and their immigration problems and prostitution laws!

I'm definitely not surprised about this new prostitution law coming from Angela Merkel and I would doubt that the Greens or the SPD will reverse this if they come to power in 2018. This law has the 'Greens signature' all over it: deeply intruding into people's personal lives supposedly for 'humanitarian' or 'social' reasons.

There is still a lot of mystery about Angela Merkel's DDR past and how she was intertwined with the DDR communist system. According to the author interviewed in the YouTube video I posted below, many friends were quite surprised when she advanced her political career with the CDU, as they would have guessed she would be better at home with the Greens. (from 3:00 onwards)

Furthermore, there are lingering questions about the integrity of the "Christiche Friedenskonferenz" (rumoured to be a StaSi front) in which her father was involved, her role during her student years in the FDJ (communist youth organisation in the DDR), and her role in the left wing ("Oekologisch und Sozial") party "Demokratischer Aufbruch."

Here's a short video (in German) about the book "Merkels Maske" (Merkel's Mask): [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFY1BIi0lfw[/URL].

The fact that there Greens voted against this law means nothing: it's all a game of politics because they knew that they didn't have a majority to block it anyway, and that the law would pass regardless.
So it's easy to be 'against' it because if anything goes wrong in the future (and it will, because this law only makes life more complicated for the WG's), then they can easily claim that "well, we were always against it" and use that as political ammunition for more votes.

Horny Harry. You and I seem to be living on different planets and some of what you say is a collection of phrases with no real meaning for me. But, even so, when you talk about the current law itself, you make for valid points. So my post ends up largely agreeing with you on the new laws whilst disagreeing fundamentally on some of your gut reactions about living in Germany

For example.I agree

1. There is no reason to expect any German government to repeal the law.

2. Yes, the Government, like most, tends to amass information and control to itself, intruding in people's lives with ill thought out "good for you" proposals. This is fine (as there is a need for a functioning regulatory state) provided there are sufficient countervailing forces. I think you are saying in your polemical way that there are now insufficient such forces, and I would agree. The generation scarred by Nazi Germany is passing, and with it, the scepticism about the all powerful interfering state with an ideology. It is very striking that the registration requirements for sex workers echo so strongly the way that many German states used to deal with undesirable people: by forcing gypsies to register in order to be allowed to practice their work. As of course once they were registered they could be subject to further action. In some areas they had to wear yellow fabric to mark them out.

If I were to respond to your politics I would be here for a week and bore everybody silly. I just pick a random one phrase "multicultural disaster". This is so broad as to have no meaning except to seem to be a sign of your personal discomfort at foreign faces and poverty. Evidence is that influences of different cultures leads to a thriving social, cultural and economic situation. Societies set in aspic ossify. There may be issues with the arrival of immigrants, such as culture and poverty but these can be dealt with so that the energy and creativity of migrants is released whilst still retaining the host country's own social values. Parts of Germany with high influx of people, such as Berlin are more lively and tolerant than places with no influx. I would suggest that part of the support for the new law comes from an anti multicultural viewpoint. The Germans don't mind a few German prostitutes but don't like Romanians: just looking at the argument which led to the banning of streetworkers and almost all sex establishments in Dortmund

Anyway. Each to our own.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2064821]Horny Harry. You and I seem to be living on different planets and some of what you say is a collection of phrases with no real meaning for me. But, even so, when you talk about the current law itself, you make for valid points. So my post ends up largely agreeing with you on the new laws whilst disagreeing fundamentally on some of your gut reactions about living in Germany

For example.I agree

1. There is no reason to expect any German government to repeal the law.

2. Yes, the Government, like most, tends to amass information and control to itself, intruding in people's lives with ill thought out "good for you" proposals. This is fine (as there is a need for a functioning regulatory state) provided there are sufficient countervailing forces. I think you are saying in your polemical way that there are now insufficient such forces, and I would agree. The generation scarred by Nazi Germany is passing, and with it, the scepticism about the all powerful interfering state with an ideology. It is very striking that the registration requirements for sex workers echo so strongly the way that many German states used to deal with undesirable people: by forcing gypsies to register in order to be allowed to practice their work. As of course once they were registered they could be subject to further action. In some areas they had to wear yellow fabric to mark them out..[/QUOTE]Evidence is that influences of different cultures leads to a thriving social, cultural and economic situation. Societies set in aspic ossify. There may be issues with the arrival of immigrants, such as culture and poverty but these can be dealt with so that the energy and creativity of migrants is released whilst still retaining the host country's own social values.

Where do all of these terrorist attacks fit in here? I cannot believe you actually believe one single word of this!

[QUOTE=Optimist;2064755]Marquis. Problem with FKK is not that it is legal. It was legal years ago and service and looks were great. It is a combination of monoculture by a nationality that has a very obsessive view of money, plus an over hyping that means there are too many customers with low standards when it comes to services.[/QUOTE]Too many Romanian WGs and Asian mongers have destroyed the FKK model.

But multiculturalism is such a wonderful thing!

[QUOTE=Optimist;2064821]
Anyway. Each to our own.[/QUOTE]P.S. Be careful with that expression, it's quite a 'loaded statement' in Germany.

[url]https://www.google.com/search?q=jedem+das+seine&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiasobozaTVAhWkrVQKHWNhBe8Q_AUIBigB&biw=1920&bih=895[/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedem_das_Seine[/url]

p.p.s. I recently left Germany (leaving the sinking ship), but I'm still there quite often for business and my employer thankfully always provides me with a rental car (unless I'm stupid enough to forget to take my driver's license, then I'm stuck with taking the train 😤 ) so plenty of opportunity for an FKK visit. 😉

[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2064838]P.S. Be careful with that expression, it's quite a 'loaded statement' in Germany.

[url]https://www.google.com/search?q=jedem+das+seine&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiasobozaTVAhWkrVQKHWNhBe8Q_AUIBigB&biw=1920&bih=895[/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedem_das_Seine[/url]

p.p.s. I recently left Germany (leaving the sinking ship), but I'm still there quite often for business and my employer thankfully always provides me with a rental car (unless I forget to take my driver's license then I'm stuck with taking the train 😤 ) so plenty of opportunity for an FKK visit. 😉[/QUOTE]Thanks. It is so depressing. I didn't know that. Great example of how a state can appropriate anything to dress its delusions.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2064755]Marquis. Problem with FKK is not that it is legal. It was legal years ago and service and looks were great. It is a combination of monoculture by a nationality that has a very obsessive view of money, plus an over hyping that means there are too many customers with low standards when it comes to services.[/QUOTE]Luckycookie was telling me about the rule of 3.

Concerning Asian customers and BTW he was born in China.

He says it goes like this.

The girls love the Asian customers.

Because.

3 mm.

3 minutes.

3 hundred euro.

I asked a few Asian guys what a girl was like after they pay at the boxes, and what was included.

And they all say I don't know I never ask for any of "that".