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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2222213]After having been addicted to this stuff, we are talking about, for some time. It seems, compared to Germany.

A) either the places are way too expensive: USA, UK, France, Australia, Italy, Japan, Singapore, etc etc.

B) it is way too dangerous for foreigners, esp. If you don't speak the language: Mexico, Caribbean, Brazil, India, Russia, South-Africa, Egypt.

C) the places are simply dead-dead: Finland, Denmark, China.

D) total shitholes: rumania, turkey etc.

So there is only Germany, Netherlands, Czech. And maybe a few rare other places.

What do others think? Anything I left out? I guess Thailand maybe still interesting.[/QUOTE]I thought Brazil, mongering in inside thermas are safe and as good alternative to German FKK both for service, price, safety in thermas and also optic of line up.

Czech? They got good mongering spots as good as German FKK?

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2222213]

D) total shitholes: rumania, turkey etc.

[/QUOTE]Why? Because those are my next stops.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2222213]After having been addicted to this stuff, we are talking about, for some time. It seems, compared to Germany.

A) either the places are way too expensive: USA, UK, France, Australia, Italy, Japan, Singapore, etc etc.

B) it is way too dangerous for foreigners, esp. If you don't speak the language: Mexico, Caribbean, Brazil, India, Russia, South-Africa, Egypt.

C) the places are simply dead-dead: Finland, Denmark, China.

D) total shitholes: rumania, turkey etc.

So there is only Germany, Netherlands, Czech. And maybe a few rare other places.

What do others think? Anything I left out? I guess Thailand maybe still interesting.[/QUOTE]I certainly do not know everything. In fact all I know is that I know nothing. Having said this, Brazil is my favorite hobby destination on the planet. Yes, you have to be a little more careful there than Germany but I love it there. Also, you left out Montreal which is another favorite of mine. I have a few friends that go to Colombia and I know of two guys that have stopped going to Montreal because they love Colombia so much. Yes, Thailand is a wonderland. I've only made one trip but I want to go back. I also had the weekend of my life in BA Argentina. Last year I tried Barcelona and I have two friends that love it as a hobby destination and it is not expensive. So, as great as Germany is, I think there is more out there.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2222265]I certainly do not know everything. In fact all I know is that I know nothing. Having said this, Brazil is my favorite hobby destination on the planet. Yes, you have to be a little more careful there than Germany but I love it there. Also, you left out Montreal which is another favorite of mine. I have a few friends that go to Colombia and I know of two guys that have stopped going to Montreal because they love Colombia so much. Yes, Thailand is a wonderland. I've only made one trip but I want to go back. I also had the weekend of my life in BA Argentina. Last year I tried Barcelona and I have two friends that love it as a hobby destination and it is not expensive. So, as great as Germany is, I think there is more out there.[/QUOTE]Nobody knows everything, but one thing for sure is that you seems to know quite a bit there buddy LOL!

Montreal is as good as Germany for mongering? Many white stunner beauty at Montreal mongering scene? What is the format there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2222278]Nobody knows everything, but one thing for sure is that you seems to know quite a bit there buddy LOL!

Montreal is as good as Germany for mongering? Many white stunner beauty at Montreal mongering scene? What is the format there.[/QUOTE]Incall and outcall escorts. Good agency girls go for about 200-220 $ CDN so with 1 USD worth about 1. 32 CDN we are talking about 150-165 $ USD. Top Indies are 300-400 CDN.

Since I live in North America, discovering Montreal changed my life. I discovered the green forum in 2007 and I called Devilish the first day and they sent a 20 year old beauty that rocked my world. The next day I called Xxxtase and they sent me over the girl that used to be the model for their banner. The first thing that both petite Quebecois girls said to me when they entered the room was "let's order some wine. " I thought this is odd. Every time I did this in the US it was like a Mexican Standoff. Prove your not a cop don't touch my drink it could be a Mickey.

It was during this trip I became a Hobbyist. Soon I was looking for excuses to get back there for business or pleasure. I became an Eleganza fan and I saw several of John's girls. I couldn't believe that me. Several years past my prime. Was sleeping with hard bodies 18-26 years and the girls all seemed to be trying to outdo the last.

Not long after Eleganza disappeared, GoodGirls came on the scene and they started to throw parties. Parties where I was able to meet girls and I was even able to session with the during the party. I went to several parties during this phase and I would plan 3-4 day trips on party weekends. I am still working off the TDL.

Now James at Euphoria has probably the best girls. There are several other good agencies Mike's Mansion etc. XO is very popular. They are run by former hobbyists.

Unicorn Healers provides an awesome service and they do not do GFE. They only do kinky fantasies. Hanna gave me the most incredible fantasy session ever and her agency, Unicorns has taken over the parties. There was a girl named Jennifer who was amazing but she retired. I have met several indies and I try to get one in every trip. I made a lot of friends and I have a massive TDL which is still relevant.

I think the passion is on par with Brazil and it is nice to fuck petite Quebecois women. But you can get whatever you want there.

It is a different scene than the FKK scene for sure. You have to rely on the word of the booker / agency owner if you know him or her and You are limited to reviews and a few headless photos on a web site to make your decisions which is nowhere near as good. I prefer the FKK clubs and the Clinicas in Brazil where they walk out the line-up. However, the parties were a great period. The downside of Montreal is the waiting in your room for the knock on your door. You can feel like a prisoner. However, once she gets there you can typically count on a good 45 minutes, no-rush session followed by a shower with the girl you just had sex with.

It has been over a year since I have been back there. I had to cancel two trips. I will get back and enjoy this scene. The restaurants are great. The streets are safe. The girls are young and hot and my experience is that they perform. Beats the hell out of the USA.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2222289]Incall and outcall escorts. Good agency girls go for about 200-220 $ CDN so with 1 USD worth about 1. 32 CDN we are talking about 150-165 $ USD. Top Indies are 300-400 CDN.

Since I live in North America, discovering Montreal changed my life. I discovered the green forum in 2007 and I called Devilish the first day and they sent a 20 year old beauty that rocked my world. The next day I called Xxxtase and they sent me over the girl that used to be the model for their banner. The first thing that both petite Quebecois girls said to me when they entered the room was "let's order some wine. " I thought this is odd. Every time I did this in the US it was like a Mexican Standoff. Prove your not a cop don't touch my drink it could be a Mickey.

It was during this trip I became a Hobbyist. Soon I was looking for excuses to get back there for business or pleasure. I became an Eleganza fan and I saw several of John's girls. I couldn't believe that me. Several years past my prime. Was sleeping with hard bodies 18-26 years and the girls all seemed to be trying to outdo the last.

Not long after Eleganza disappeared, GoodGirls came on the scene and they started to throw parties. Parties where I was able to meet girls and I was even able to session with the during the party. I went to several parties during this phase and I would plan 3-4 day trips on party weekends. I am still working off the TDL.

Now James at Euphoria has probably the best girls. There are several other good agencies Mike's Mansion etc. XO is very popular. They are run by former hobbyists..[/QUOTE]I kind of enjoy the waiting in hotel room for the knock on the door, it excite me, but I do feel you on this one because part of me is excited, but other part is bit worry how the girl is going to look like and how late she may or may not be etc.

So FKK and clinicas in Brazil you mean therma in Brazil? Are better right?

I personally like to be able to see what I am going to fuck optically so I am at least optically satisfied. We can always send back girls we do not want on escort scene, but when you penis is about to explode in your pant, it is hard decision to make not to fuck, so I also prefer the set up like German FKK where we can see what we going to fuck and even able to talk to her a bit.

Brazilian clinicas or thermas or whatever it is called, I have not been yet, but I will go there one day, as for now, my focus is on Germany while it last and I hope it will last for all my life time without too much radical change in format and regulations.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2222126]

The answer to that question is different for each person, and as Bfsie pointed out, each of us would have a different value to the marginal enjoyment if each succeeding orgasm. For some guys, one expensive two-cum session with an independent escort close to home in the US might capture most of the desired enjoyment, whereas for another guy a week in Germany fucking three girls a day might be worthwhile to him in spite of the fact that his total cost would be higher, including airfare.

[/QUOTE]Well said and agreed.

I would add that most of real mongers (sex addicts) mainly monger locally and a small percentage of them (like some of the ISG posters and readers) sometimes also monger abroad as a side show. The non-local ISG posters and readers are nowhere near in the mainstream of mongering world if they don't monger locally and THEY ARE HOBBYISTS, NOT REAL SEX ADDICTS. The real sex addicts like me mainly monger locally.

If you pay enough. And get an expensive escort, you will be fine.

[QUOTE=TeaInTheSun;2222256]Why? Because those are my next stops.[/QUOTE]

Czech has some good brotherls (called market. Which is similar to Pascha in Cologne. Just the ladies are more upscale. Some stunners imo) -

[QUOTE=MrHo;2222242]I thought Brazil, mongering in inside thermas are safe and as good alternative to German FKK both for service, price, safety in thermas and also optic of line up.

Czech? They got good mongering spots as good as German FKK?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2222379]Well said and agreed.

I would add that most of real mongers (sex addicts) mainly monger locally and a small percentage of them (like some of the ISG posters and readers) sometimes also monger abroad as a side show. The non-local ISG posters and readers are nowhere near in the mainstream of mongering world if they don't monger locally and THEY ARE HOBBYISTS, NOT REAL SEX ADDICTS. The real sex addicts like me mainly monger locally.[/QUOTE]I should clarify that what I meant "locally" means a monger spends no night outside his home during his mongering time. I. E. He always sleeps at home. For example, I would say a monger from Netherlands or Belgium, who gets home after FKK clubing, is a local of German FKK club scene.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2222391]Czech has some good brotherls (called market. Which is similar to Pascha in Cologne. Just the ladies are more upscale. Some stunners imo).[/QUOTE]Really? Wow I did not know that, I miss Czech girl in German FKK, the last stunner level Czech girl I fucked was Marketa from Artemis back in 2014 ish I saw fucked her last, I guess she is long gone retired now.

Where is the best market format brothel in Prague or Czech because I tried googling it and only thing came up was market that sells foods LOL I need the ones that sells beautiful young girls sex, I guess google AI is not as smart to figure that one out LOL.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2222391]Czech has some good brotherls (called market. Which is similar to Pascha in Cologne. Just the ladies are more upscale. Some stunners imo).[/QUOTE]Praha. Cz is a interesting city to visit, but not anymore for sex in clubs or privates, more expensive and lower services than in Germany. I don t think Budapest is anymore interesting for pornstars, some tour in Paris but they are not the best to make love in bed, when porn is just so fake, harder not entering deep inside.

I m not attracted by Asian girls, I just would like to try a Japanese Geisha, I m not attracted by black or latina girls, but I love Italian or Romanian brunette beauties, so my ranking is:

Number 1 is Switzerland when You enjoy to make love in bed. In Switzerland, can find great GF. Highest standards in FKK land.

Number 2 is Germany, YY NL but not low level for girls 6 ens, Wellcum. At, Andiamo. At and Marina in Slovenia. There can sometimes find great girls, just have to be able to make them will to be good with You.

On this week end, once more, I discovered a new girl, really not attractive behavior for me in the club, but no public exhibition, and she was the only attractive look, so I went to chat to her, when I took her hand and talked about her look, she changed of behavior, later she asked what I like in room, I just asked about what I need to enjoy, she looked at me and answered she was OK to try, all was fluent in room, no question about time, extras. 300 for 3 1 hour rooms on this week end for this really enjoyable discovery, but I waited for long time and worked hard to find this new one in Germany, 25 yo Romanian for standard German rate, without upselling. Some Romanians are really good for love in bed and very honest about money.

Guys,

I am visiting Bochum for short stay and would be staying near to Bermuda Triangle.

Any good places where I can visit? Like Pasha from Cologne?

What is the procedure there? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2222126]
The answer to that question is different for each person, and as Bfsie pointed out, each of us would have a different value to the marginal enjoyment if each succeeding orgasm. For some guys, one expensive two-cum session with an independent escort close to home in the US might capture most of the desired enjoyment, whereas for another guy a week in Germany fucking three girls a day might be worthwhile to him in spite of the fact that his total cost would be higher, including airfare.
.[/QUOTE]M88, nice to see you over here, you have always provided great insight and info on the ISG and other places. A guy once told me when I started going to Germany ' If an American is not in Germany fucking he is either stupid or broke' and the guy who said that is a very well respected member and contributor to the German forums and dumps quite a bit of money (much more than I) in to these girls pockets. I would edit his statement to read ' Germany and / or Spain' as Spain affords me the chance to fuck any nationality in the world w / o having to venture to that country. That piso Farrell X I think it was in BCN had super hot Brazilians, numerous places in Spanish cities have very hot Asian girls and tons of South Americans as well; anything in variety is in Spain so I personally have no desire to hit some regions of the world for mongering as I can get it in Spain and the more I research Germany, talk to guys that live there and so on I am seeing many nationalities also represented well in Germany and tons of fun to be had outside the FKK clubs in other venues and places. The problem is as you mentioned overhead and one has to balance at what point of their trip do they reach sexually diminishing returns popping 3 girls a day and for me come day 4-5 I start to wear down and many say the airline ticket is the big cost and I disagree. The airline ticket is only $1 K give or take a few hundred maybe. The real cost is your club costs, entries, girls, transport and hotels. Go to Germany 12 X in a year and pay $12 K in airfare is not a big deal. However the 84 days assuming you go for a week each trip will add up and dwarf the cost of the airline. In fact, RT Air from ATX here on Condor can be had for $279 each way if purchased in advance. JFK-FRA in Delta Comfort+ is $880-$970 year round! In two days alone at an FKK club I could eat 300 ($360) Euros a day thus dwarfing the airline costs. Add in accumulated miles and medallions on airlines the costs go down and upgrades in seats follows within 6-12 months when they start to add up. I have 4 trips for 5-7 days each booked the rest of this 2018 year, airline tickets were maybe $4 K-$4. 5 K total but the 25 days or so in the clubs is the real cost incurred by the monger. IMO. I also think between smaller FKK Clubs, the indies I am now finding, brothels and walk-in places and now incredible reports out of the RLDs that a sex addict can actually do long extended trips to Germany by balancing out the many options as not everyday needs to be a 200-400 Euro ' Big 5 ' club day. Two weeks is very doable with every fourth day off and the 3 days of action mixed up between the above options. No matter how I slice the pie the worst slices are reserved for the Americans who stay behind and get hosed.

M88, you are correct that many of us think the German way is the best way yet other countries offer great opportunity. I like to cum and be done but if I actually wanted a girl to hang around than Thailand or Colombia, MX etc would be great for the TLN option but not my style and in Spain I can run to the many pisos or brothels or go see an indy but than what? I am bored all day and art museums and tours bores the living shit out of me. On the flip side, lining up empty water bottles in the back part of Day care and using apples and oranges as bowling balls to create a bowling alley (Amira killed me, she is such a fun sweet girl in and out of the room) or stacking cigarette packs up in Pyramid form to see who can flick hairbands / rubber bands and knock down more packs is much more fun than a tour of the Prado Museum!

To each their own :D

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2222379]Well said and agreed.

I would add that most of real mongers (sex addicts) mainly monger locally and a small percentage of them (like some of the ISG posters and readers) sometimes also monger abroad as a side show. The non-local ISG posters and readers are nowhere near in the mainstream of mongering world if they don't monger locally and THEY ARE HOBBYISTS, NOT REAL SEX ADDICTS. The real sex addicts like me mainly monger locally.[/QUOTE]Good points and agree to some extent but I am going to guess you are not local to the United States probably somewhere in Europe where you can hop a flight to Germany for a bag of peanuts and a can of soda pop if not drive or train in. I would call the majority of guys in the USA who do this and do not travel HOBBYISTS as well, idiots might be a better word and / or clueless as to what exists outside the USA. At least in TX the real mongers get out, the hobbyists stay behind and eat garbage and overpay for trash and worse think they are doing it right LOL.

For 30 years I have mongered between the USA and abroad and sometimes the USA markets are better than other years so there have been times I fucked 2-4 times a week in TX and on weekends when the border towns were great did MX and I also hit Amsterdam, Central America, Canada (Windsor, Toronto and Montreal) , the Islands etc. Today in the modern era the selection in the USA is at an all time low and prices off the wall which IMHO justify an all out assault on the airports to get the fuck out of this shithole sex prison and if one doesn't shame on them. Idiots!

Per your definition I am nothing more than a hobbyist and not a sex addict as I have abandoned the white trash tutes of the USA for pretty much all travel now and do not want to play in my home market. Your statement I think is partly true as the real player plays at home and abroad but if your'e home is in the USA easier said than done which is why I am guessing you are from abroad (and if so much luckier than myself!) I am back in full travel mode but if I were fortunate to live in Europe than I would perhaps be labeled a monger / sex addict in your book as I could forever abandon the USA girls and fuck in Germany, Spain, Holland, Russia or wherever I wanted. I simply have to pay the price now for being born in this shithole country called the 'Conservative, Divided and Over regulated States of America' but when I turn 59 and a half in ten years my version of the Shawshank Redemption will be played out and I will come up clean on the other side of the Ocean.

However, we all come from all over the world many born in Germany perhaps or nearby but also from far away points such as the Americas and the Far East. I do not think we should label each other mongers or hobbyists, hardcore or not harcore etc. As at the end of the day we are all in the same boat. We all head to Germany for the most part as we have all discovered it beats our homelands and none of us are idiots in fact we are all intelligent for making the choice to bail our own countries, although I sometimes out of physical needs will eat $100 here and just dump a load to take some stress away and simply book many trips spaced out in 3-5 week intervals purchased in advance for minimizing overhead.

The only idiots (hobbyists) are the guys who sit back in the USA and do not travel or get out, shame on them, sit in prison and get flogged daily by loser girls yet they think they are mongers and hardcore.

Kosher Kowboy,

Sorry, I was in hurry when I wrote my previous post, so it lost its purpose. My intended purpose of my previous post was to say that vast majority (if not most) of mongers mainly monger locally instead of internationally, so I concluded with my previous post. I still stand by that.

Your situation may be quite unique and you have abundant financial resource to do what you have been doing from what I read your posts, Not average John can do what you do. You should realize that. My post is in general term, of course, there are exceptions like you.