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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2222416]I should clarify that what I meant "locally" means a monger spends no night outside his home during his mongering time. I. E. He always sleeps at home. For example, I would say a monger from Netherlands or Belgium, who gets home after FKK clubing, is a local of German FKK club scene.[/QUOTE]What about sleeping in clubs until 4/5 am, or outside like a tramp? No, I don t want to be a addicted local regular, FKK land is just a enjoyable game, like climbing mountains or free riding downhill. Pleasures make life and have no rate. No addiction because no pain nor frustration not being able to control, when intense sports make You increase oxygen in your blood, then this feeling become a real drug, because you feel so powerful to perform.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2222460]Kosher Kowboy,

Sorry, I was in hurry when I wrote my post, so it lost its purpose. My intended purpose of my previous post was to say that vast majority (if not most) of mongers mainly monger locally instead of internationally, so I concluded my previous post. I still stand by that.

Your situation may be quite unique and you have abundant financial resource to do what you have been doing from what I read your posts, Not average John can do what you do. You should realize that. My post is in general term, of course, there are exceptions like you.[/QUOTE]I would agree with you that most do play in their home markets; most of us on here are in a better boat than most in our own locales and can afford to up our game and enjoy the real stuff. If I lived in a good market I might be less inclined to hit Germany or with less frequency. Spain being an example, I have noticed and I think MacAdonis once pointed out how few Spaniards he has met over time, same here. They have a good market.

I do not know if I have abundant resources but I have enough to do what I want now as I have this country called Mexico to the south to lean on as well as some emerging markets (financially and for retirement) in Central and South America and in the event I spend all my money I can just move there with a fistful of pesos and retire happily on some beach and use their classified ads to get cheap pussy and there is plenty.

However I really do think there exists a bunch of idiots in the USA who do not realize how you do not have to pay $250-$1000 an hour for a girl here and if you just time your flights in advance and use WOW or Iceland Air or get yourself to a coastal HUB or O'Hare / DFW you really can fly abroad and enjoy the best of the best.

Thanks for clarifying and happy next journey wherever you may end up :D

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2222466]

However I really do think there exists a bunch of idiots in the USA who do not realize how you do not have to pay $250-$1000 an hour for a girl here and if you just time your flights in advance and use WOW or Iceland Air or get yourself to a coastal HUB or O'Hare / DFW you really can fly abroad and enjoy the best of the best. [/QUOTE]How about time, they usually don't have the time to do those. Your situation is really unique and you have the money and time. Lucky guy LOL.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2222482]How about time, they usually don't have the time to do those. Your situation is really unique and you have the money and time. Lucky guy LOL.[/QUOTE]True but many of these same guys I refer to as idiots (maybe was harsh) go off to Vegas for long weekends or other short hops than complain about the girls and prices. Given the departing flights from North America usually leave in the evenings between 5-9 PM local times and the flights land in Germany 8-11 AM we can easily do 3 day trips, especially on holiday weekends where Fri or Mon is a holiday. We essentially fly thru the night and sleep and upon arrival there is no issue our body clocks are ready for Germany's morning, than we head back early in the AM from DE on departure day and arrive in the evening here yet the same day we took off. Three to Four day jumps are very manageable if you can line up a cheap flight and hotel.

I think the ones with good reasons as to no time are ones who might be tied down in marriages or perhaps single fathers maybe small business owners with few or no employees to hold down the fort; other than that if one times it right with weekends, follows the discount fares and finds hotel deals it is quite easy. It does help to have a list of the Messe dates to avoid them. Logging on to Delta, United and American after midnight on weeknights is also a good tactic to look for flights as that is often when they have fire sales and often by the time the coffee pots start brewing at 6-7 AM the deals have been snagged.

But you are right, I am lucky I guess and maybe my point is some guys don't know just how easy it is to plan and do an affordable getaway.

Some of our message boards (I have been on them since 1992) have survived and some underground (names left off) and I suspect more will return and I read the posts on there for close to 26 years now and I can't tell you how stupid some of the questions are such as ' Are there still girls in Thailand or Costa Rica?' so I find the ' monger intelligence' of Americans as a whole to be subpar to that of the Europeans by light years. Maybe I have just grown accustomed to the guys on this board and the FKK section in general, as a whole I find the posts, reviews and comments here to be highly intelligent relative to boards back home. I also learn so much from observing locals over there or simply talking to them and getting pointers on red couches for 5 minutes than I would learn reading posts here in the USA over 5 years.

The above are simply my observations, but I stick to them. I also tend to agree with you on your posts and comments and yes, perhaps I should consider I have no time constraints either, vasectomies help too both for time and money. $700 ' clip clip and a bag of ice on your balls' probably saves $700,000 over time :D

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2222379]Well said and agreed.

I would add that most of real mongers (sex addicts) mainly monger locally and a small percentage of them (like some of the ISG posters and readers) sometimes also monger abroad as a side show. The non-local ISG posters and readers are nowhere near in the mainstream of mongering world if they don't monger locally and THEY ARE HOBBYISTS, NOT REAL SEX ADDICTS. The real sex addicts like me mainly monger locally.[/QUOTE]Wooooosh! That settles it. I am not a sex addict after all. Thank you Dr. Phil. I feel a lot better now. Very entertaining and humorous read.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2222229]A degree is not a barometer of smartness. No one said so. All it means is that someone persevered and paid tuition and obtained a degree with the hope of a better future.[/QUOTE]A lot of the commentary on American higher education says students aren't persevering at all. "More than a quarter of college presidents think their students are graded too leniently. Since the early 1990's, colleges have been reinventing themselves using a business model, transforming themselves into Diplomas Inc. , run by a new breed of college administrator more interested in retaining customers than educating students". [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/campus-overload/post/study-after-study-has-college-gotten-too-easy/2011/05/16/AFBTtB5G_blog.html?utm_term=.b76c0725c062[/URL].

Standards have eroded, so I don't think your marathon analogy applies, unless one is given credit for completing a marathon even if they take a shuttle bus from mile mile two to twenty-five. Passing students means continued enrollment. Continued enrollments means the continued collection of tuition fees. Parents put pressure on administrators. Administrators put pressure on professors. Students get passing grades, even if they don't complete the assignments or learn the course material.

[URL]http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/top_performers/2015/04/why_have_american_education_standards_collapsed.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/08/29/the-dumbing-down-of-college-curriculums/[/URL]

[URL]https://mtprof.msun.edu/Spr1997/TROUT-ST.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2222462]What about sleeping in clubs until 4/5 am, or outside like a tramp? No, I don t want to be a addicted local regular, FKK land is just a enjoyable game, like climbing mountains or free riding downhill. Pleasures make life and have no rate. No addiction because no pain nor frustration not being able to control, when intense sports make You increase oxygen in your blood, then this feeling become a real drug, because you feel so powerful to perform.[/QUOTE]I feel so powerful to perform when FKK sharky girls try to upsell me and I decide to just go for 30 min 50 euro session only and just do her doggy style hardcore LOL!

[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2222466]I would agree with you that most do play in their home markets; most of us on here are in a better boat than most in our own locales and can afford to up our game and enjoy the real stuff. If I lived in a good market I might be less inclined to hit Germany or with less frequency. Spain being an example, I have noticed and I think MacAdonis once pointed out how few Spaniards he has met over time, same here. They have a good market.

I do not know if I have abundant resources but I have enough to do what I want now as I have this country called Mexico to the south to lean on as well as some emerging markets (financially and for retirement) in Central and South America and in the event I spend all my money I can just move there with a fistful of pesos and retire happily on some beach and use their classified ads to get cheap pussy and there is plenty.[/QUOTE]Most men not only just invest such amount for prostitutes who are not worthy optically and service, but invest millions of USD to girlfriends or wife or wives and end up messing up their life in every way possible and still do not get there are alternative life choices that are better at least in lust sexual sector of life.

It is too bad we have to fly, but it is reasonable. I fly from Japan and it cost me about 1100 USD to 1300 USD about for 5 days hotels and flight included. For me it is reasonable cost of transportation fee plus I spend about 500 euro per day in club depending on line up, some day it is less some day can be more if stunners are found, which are rare nowadays for my taste.

It is too bad we do not have FKK format all over the world, but only in limited places, but at least it is there and we managed to find out about it.

I think in 21st century, in lust and sexual sector of life, mongering is far better than going after normal girls. And it is far better to do that in German speaking part of Europe where FKK format is.

There are few places in world where we can monger, but as far as I experienced, German FKK is the best format there is.

KK,

The math works like below for me. You may have a different math and others may have other different ways of doing this. No right or wrong way.

The fixed costs for me are airfare (1000), hotels (600), car rental + insurance (150-200), food (150), misc (50), transportation to my local airport (60). Numbers can change over time obviously.

That is fixed cost 1, which totals 2000-2100.

I deliberately left out the dollar or Euro sign, that can make some difference also.

Then, fixed cost 2 which is the club entry fee. Say I stay 5 days, which is my max per trip (I have done even just 3 days as well). That totals another 300 (a bit less if judiciously using discount days or multi packs).

Then the sessions. In 5 days, I can do 20 sessions, perhaps over 16-18 hours, and with 15 girls. Some sessions last 30 min, some more than hour.

Cost 1600. If extras included, then another hundred or two (I don't take many of those).

Net net, we are looking at 4 grand. Works to 200 per session, 250 per hour of sex. Roughly the same per girl.

The goal is to cut the fixed cost relative to actual sessioning cost. For a local like HB or BFsie, the only fixed cost is the 60 entry fee. If they do 4 sessions per day as in the above calculation, their average per hour cost comes to 115. With cheap tickets, multi packs, they can bring it down even more.

How can I extend the fixed cost leverage? More sessions obviously. If instead of 16 hours of sex if I can partake 32 hours of sex, my cost per session would go down to 125, not far from the local's cost.

But how can I do 32 hours of sex? More sessions per day -- instead of 4 per day, do 8. If I am a super man or the famous sikh that Syzy keeps talking about, its a cinch. The reality Me? Only in my dreams.

Another way -- stay more days. This is what the truly big boys like you and Badin do. Instead of 5 days, stay 10 days. However, there will be an offsetting increase in hotel and food expenses. Only the airfare is levered. Still, that is something.

If I can do a session at 250 per hour in the US, then it is somewhat of a break-even scenario from my pov. However, the calculus is totally different: I do the 20 sessions in DE only because I am there, and HAVE to do that many to get some value for my fixed cost (BFSie's point). Secondly, the quality of girls and the ambiance. This last one, I think is priceless. I am not a wham bam thank you maam dude, and I get almost as much pleasure and enjoyment out of watching all the pussy galore on display, in a very relaxing environment (sometimes after I come back home, in my moments of nostalgia, I even miss the smoky atmosphere, and I am a non smoker! Banging 16 girls separately in sterile hotel rooms or other places is NOT even close to banging hot ROm chicks on my beloved red couches of sharks with with other perverts watching. I still need to figure how to bring that variable into the math here.

PS: The math would totally suck if I computed dollar per pop. That price has been steadily going up, as my own output has gotten more and more pathetic. Then again, the German old dudes just come in and fuck a girl only every 5th or 6th visit per RN, so my productivity may still be reasonably OK.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2222229]
A degree is not a barometer of smartness. No one said so. All it means is that someone persevered and paid tuition and obtained a degree with the hope of a better future.
[/QUOTE]I disagree with this somewhat. First, which institution, and sometimes which program, is an important factor. On the high end just getting accepted at all is meaningful. Second, perseverance isn't the same as intelligence, but it is a virtue that employers will appreciate. Getting the degree won't raise the kind of suspicions that dropping out will.

And there are people who, quite frankly, are not intelligent enough to complete college, again making adjustments for the ranking of the institution. Put another way, do you really think that if you gave an IQ test to 100 random Harvard grads and 100 random people without college degrees, that you would get the same mean scores?

Edit: this is interesting...

[URL]http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=MJojo;2222440]Guys,

I am visiting Bochum for short stay and would be staying near to Bermuda Triangle.

Any good places where I can visit? Like Pasha from Cologne?

What is the procedure there? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The Bochum RLD is pretty good, and downright charming at night with colorful lighting.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2222572]Passing students means continued enrollment. Continued enrollments means the continued collection of tuition fees. Parents put pressure on administrators. Administrators put pressure on professors. Students get passing grades, even if they don't complete the assignments or learn the course material.[/QUOTE]This is not the primary driver of grade inflation. Instructors don't think to themselves "Oh I better give Johnny an A because that will keep enrollment up and I can keep my job. ".

The main driver is that students fill out evaluation forms at the end of the semester, and it's simply a fact that instructors who are hard graders get lower evaluations. And those evaluation numbers have an influence, often a very strong influence, on the faculty member's yearly evaluation and pay increase. I. e. Instructors have a quick and direct monetary incentive to give high grades. This has both a conscious and subconscious impact.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2222703]KK,
The math works like below for me. You may have a different math and others may have other different ways of doing this. No right or wrong way.

Another way -- stay more days. This is what the truly big boys like you and Badin do. Instead of 5 days, stay 10 days. However, there will be an offsetting increase in hotel and food expenses. Only the airfare is levered. Still, that is something.
[/QUOTE]My fixed costs are probably roughly the same. In US Dollars my flights range from as low as $750 to $1500 and $1150 probably a good average number. I would save $200 on that if I sat in coach but I simply can't for long hauls so pay the premium.

My hotel is 100 E a night, includes a great breakfast which comes in handy if not going to a club that serves food.

6 nights is probably my usual stay, as few as four and sometimes 7. 10 is too long for me and diminishing returns hit and unless I can find cheaper days or off days I find the best bang for the buck is to take 4-5-6 day trips and live to fight another day. A normal 6 day week for me would be:

3 Gypsies days: Daily costs: 10 e on the Creampie Express, 30 e entry, 3-5 Gypsies usual 3 120 e-200 e, total cost of a Day at Day Care generously allowing for 2 doubles and 1 singles session including transportation is 240 e on a high end, 160 e on a low end if poke only 3 Gypsies per day. Average it out at 200 E and add in the 100 e for hotel and food usually 20 E a day tops, 320 Euros a day.

2 Mainhatten: Daily costs. 5 e Tram, 45 e early entry, 100 X3 on girls, 350 E for the day plus the hotel is 450 E but not food costs, eat all at the club.

1 Sharks / Oase: Daily costs. 50 E trains / taxis; 50 e early entry at Oase or on Discount Sharks Days, (1) 50 girl and probably (2) 100 girls. 350 e plus the 100 e hotel. 450 E, same as Mainhatten roughly.

Day Care allows me to bring the expenditures down as I try to keep total spent as low as possible to apply to the next trip and keep going more often so I am cheap. 3 Gypsy days are 320 X3 = 960 Euros includes hotel and food too.

Non Day Care Days: 450 in the case of 3 days in mainstream clubs, that is 1350 Euros added to the 960 Euros for the 3 Gypsy Days is 2,310 Euros call it 2,300 or roughly $2,700 or so. Those numbers divided by the 6 days comes out to 383.33 Euros a day all included or in dollars about 450 bucks.

So it costs me roughly 450 bucks a day to stay in Germany on average and with the airfare comes out to roughly $4,000-$4,200 for a 6 night stay.

I think that is roughly what you had for 5 days but variables in our airfares exist and you also do more sessions and me doing Gypsies skews the numbers too, all easily able to account for one extra day in my budget since the air and hotel is pretty much the same and your cars etc costs I equalize it out on trains and cabs.

The other equation I try to use is at what point do I say ' I am kaput' and anything spent is a waste. For me seems to be day 4 or 5 but I can make 6. I calculated my daily cost to be 450 bucks w hotel included. $450 X 3 days is greater than the average cost of my round trip airfares. So IMO 2-3 days after I reach burnout I am burning up another airline ticket. After all my trips I have come to the conclusion that for me and my style I am best off making as many 4-5 night trips as my goal is maximum numbers of days there with as fewest gaps in between trips as possible. Some trips I got my airfare for 800 and the hotel was only 60 and I ended up doing only Gypsies and 4-7 days came out to be $2500-$3000 or so. Juggling the Gypsies and the Mainstream girls allows me to spend less overall to roll in to the next trip and the more times I see the Gypsies the more time I can ultimately spend there and if I end up tossing the RLD and a few indies in the mix I could probably extend trips with a day off or a cheap RLD or 100 e indy day. It is the 300-500 E clubs days that dent the budgets.

All of your math makes total sense, seems in line with my math either way we seem to be operating within our budgets. And you are right about a session here in the USA vs a session there, they suck here. Cutting those girls off or down 75 percent over what was has greatly opened up some spare cash for trips. They are just a waste of money, would rather apply it to Romanians as well, red couches or no couches. Any Romanian will do!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2222294]So FKK and clinicas in Brazil you mean therma in Brazil? Are better right?[/QUOTE]Clinicas and Thermas are two different venues in Brazil. The termas are only found in Rio de Janeiro. They're FKK like, except the ladies are NOT nekkid. They're in bikini's and the termas are not as luxurious as the FKK's. In the termas, you can buy her a drink, and get to know her before you decide to partake. Clinicas are equivalent to massage parlors. On arrival you'll be shown the LU. Sao Paulo has clinicas and high end bars, with the ladies dressed to the 9's. It can get very expensive there.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2222007]How is Vegas brothel? I went to Las Vegas, but I did not go to brothels there or in the region. Are line up as young and beautiful as German FKK at Nevada brothels or?[/QUOTE]To get an idea of what they look like Google "Cathouse: The Series" It was an HBO TV series that documents the professional lives of the workers at the Moonlite BunnyRanch, a legal brothel in Nevada. I went in 1985, it was so good, I NEVER went back. I concur with what Kosher Kowboy has stated about these places.