Angeles City

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1358380]A pair of Fields mamas tell me about the korean's exploits and stupid generosity: paying the 1800 barine, then not taking the girls at the end of her shift when he returns for her. Or, taking the girl to the room only to sleep with her, no sex, and giving her a 5k tip in the morning. If the korean economy is not so hot, they are certainly driving up prices in AC.[/QUOTE]Perhaps the antics of the Koreans in AC explains why the Korean economy isn't so hot. One of my regular 600 piso ST girls, a 3000 spotlight dancer in Dragons Den, told me she was BF'd by a Korean once who, straight from the bar, put her in a taxi and drove her to the airport so she could wave 'bye bye' to him. The guy didn't even want a quick grope in the cab. And of course he tipped her handsomely. Weird.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1358253]Price elasticity. Would you feel the same way if you went somewhere that pussy costs twice as much as it does at home? Would you then be happy to give away money like it grew on trees? What you pay now has more than you know to do with what you will pay tomorrow. Rio is an excellent example. When I first srated going in 2001 I could get a girl all night for $25. Thanks to 2 week millionaires you can't get a short time for less than $100 in 2012. All nigjt? Shit you are coming off at least $200. So don't tell me it doesn't matter because I have witnessed it myself.[/QUOTE]I personally don't overpay that much / often but when I do, I do it when / where I think it is worth it, where and when I think I can get some extra value / quality. The Philippines is such a place. When it comes to macro economics: The market (buyers and sellers) will slowly adjust itself to a price that is reasonable, that reflects value and quality, it takes some years but it will happen and for a huge city like Rio it must have taken perhaps 100, 000 or even a million of "2 week millionaires" for the price to increase that much, the activity of the Rio board will not stop this, you or me negotiating hard with one girl will not change this. And the extra money has been better off in Brazil's economy. To have a lively price-discussion, is healthy but it makes no sense of blaming a few boardmembers for tipping or being generous and RUINING EVERYTHING for everyone else.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1358253]Rio is an excellent example. When I first srated going in 2001 I could get a girl all night for $25. Thanks to 2 week millionaires you can't get a short time for less than $100 in 2012. All nigjt? Shit you are coming off at least $200. So don't tell me it doesn't matter because I have witnessed it myself.[/QUOTE]I will not argue with you about the 2 week millionaires because that was true in the near past. But the real problem now is that thousands of Brasilians can afford to pay those inflated rates plus the fact that back in 2001 the euro was almost at 4 Reais.

Termas 65 at about 450 Reais now. Back then I was hardly paying 170-200.

Thanks

Being that I lived in Korea for 5 yrs married a Korean women and Known a few Korean store owners and restaurant owners for 25 yrs here in the USA and consider them my friends. Its been my experience That Koreans At least IMO do NOT go cheap charlie with there Money IF they decide to spend it on a good time. Most of the Koreans I know work long hard hrs for months and months day after day with little time to do anything else but get a little sleep now and then. But when they decide to go to a casino or on a vacation they blow thru Money like its water. They don't give a rats ass about how much they spend cause its all about the good time. Drinks will flow. I believe the Koreans in AC are a lot like any of these the others. They work all the time save every last penny they can and they blow the money in a short amount of time but eventful vacation and the cycle continues over and over and over

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1358378]BTW the average Korean is worse off now then they were ten years ago. Something like half of new hires out of university are on temporary contract and making an average of 6 US dollars an hour. Rent has gone through the roof. The currency isn't so strong either. The Korean won has lost 21. 35% against the Philippines pesos in the last decade. 1000 won gets you less local currency now than it did 10 years ago. A third of college graduates have no job, aren't in further schooling and have no prospects. Average national pay is WAY lower than it is in the US or Japan.

It's way too easy to blame Koreans, especially when you have western guys on this board bragging about all the money they waste.[/QUOTE]Just becouse there maybe SOME koreans who are struggling doesn't mean those who do have money don't come.

A KOREAN company is building a $300 million USD golf course / Resort on Clark RIGHT NOW. Do you think they are building that for Filippino's

Koreans with money come for the weekend. Golf is HUGE in Korea, Super Expensive and Hard to get Tee time. Plenty come to mix Golf and Girls. They come with Money to blow cause for them its cheap and they come to have fun.

AC will soon be close to like "Vegas" for Asians. They can Gamble, play Golf and women. With Clark daily flights its easy to get to and cheap compared to other SEA locations. New Condo's being built. They are NOT for the budget minded types.

The area is attracting a more "upscale" type Tourist / monger Period. There is nothing anyone can do to stop the rise in Prices. Its more about the development of the area than any ones spending style.

Enjoy it while you can. It is going to get more expensive. That's REALITY.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1358566]Most of the Koreans I know work long hard hrs for months and months day after day with little time to do anything else but get a little sleep now and then.[/QUOTE]That is probably most of us on this board. But the girls don't see how many times you had to sacrifice and eat hot dogs and noodles for dinner in order to have money for your trip. They don't see that you had to save 5 years not being able to get a much needed new car in order to take the trip. They don't see what is going on backstage. All they see is that Mr. Walking ATM is in town. But as they say where I'm from: YOLO (You Only Live Once)!

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1358149]I don't blame the girls trying to extort every lose buck you have to throw. I hope prices double or triple as soon as possible, just because you guys can afford it. There are still hidden gems left. I just hope they are not revealed to the big swinging dicks.[/QUOTE]Wow, such bitterness, and such a poor understanding of global economic forces.

Be careful what you wish for as it may come true. And if the top end price doubles you can be certain that your bit on the side will be looking for an increase too.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1358566]Being that I lived in Korea for 5 yrs married a Korean women and Known a few Korean store owners and restaurant owners for 25 yrs here in the USA and consider them my friends. Its been my experience That Koreans At least IMO do NOT go cheap charlie with there Money IF they decide to spend it on a good time. Most of the Koreans I know work long hard hrs for months and months day after day with little time to do anything else but get a little sleep now and then. But when they decide to go to a casino or on a vacation they blow thru Money like its water. They don't give a rats ass about how much they spend cause its all about the good time. Drinks will flow. I believe the Koreans in AC are a lot like any of these the others. They work all the time save every last penny they can and they blow the money in a short amount of time but eventful vacation and the cycle continues over and over and over[/QUOTE]They do vacations the right way! You should work hard and save up enough to have a great time and have a great time! Other mongers, not saying all will try and go up to Angeles or Thailand with as little as possible and try to get by as cheap as possible! It's sort of like going to Vegas and budgeting $20 for gambling, catching a couple of shows that aren't very good but cheap and staying at a cheap motel rather then one of the bigger hotels on the strip. Why not wait a little longer, save a little bit more and actually have the time of your life? I know why! Cause you're thinking with the wrong head! I've heard every excuse in the book on why mongers go as cheap as possible and it still doesn't justify it. If you're just going for the cheap sex? Wouldn't you think it's cheaper to just do it at where ever you're at?

When I go down to Angeles, I actually have a blast and never give it a 2nd thought. When I feel like it, I'll buy a couple of buckets of ping pong balls and let loose! When I want to do more then one girl, I go and get two or three or four. If I run into other mongers and we have fun together, I have no problem buying them a drink or two. And I don't buy them a drink or two to be my friend. I actually buy them a drink or two because it makes me feel good. I enjoy being a nice person when I get a chance to at my own will. I'm not saying I'm an ATM, but I'll pick my battles.

YG

[QUOTE=LeknomForMe;1358158]going to asia since 1976 when I was working in the oil fields of alaska[/QUOTE]Did you take a wrong turn?

[QUOTE=El Greco; 1358523]I will not argue with you about the 2 week millionaires because that was true in the near past. But the real problem now is that thousands of Brasilians can afford to pay those inflated rates plus the fact that back in 2001 the euro was almost at 4 Reais.

Termas 65 at about 450 Reais now. Back then I was hardly paying 170-200.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Always thought Rio was top of the list for mongering. High proportion of lookers, real GFE and a choice of 3 holes. I was last there in 2008 and a 40 minute session in Lumo was about 240 reais.

Would love to go again, but it just isn't value for money.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;1358618]Did you take a wrong turn?[/QUOTE]Do you mean a geographic or a metaphoric wrong turn? Neither turn is far-fetched. Most flights from Detroit or Eastcoast cities to East Asia pass over Alaska on the Westward leg-because it's relatively direct and avoids the headwinds from the Pacific westerlies. Problem is, no airlines that I know of fly nonstop from Alaska to Asia. You have to fly Alaska to the lower 48 states, and then take a hard right turn to Asia. Expensive. That may change as GDP in Asian countries continues to rise, making American tourism relatively cheap and Alaska a prime destination-to climb mountains, see the breathtaking landscapes, and fish for red (I. E, deteriorated, spawned out) salmon (stereotypic swipe at Asian knowledge of NorthAmerican fish).

As for the metaphor, construction and other oilfield jobs in Alaska in the 1970s paid extremely well. High pay and not enough time off on a weekly basis to get anywhere to spend it (other than brothels in Fairbanks and Anchorage or expensive white powder for the nose) put a lot of money in workers pockets for when they did get a month off. So for these workers taking a sharp right turn toward Asia during time off probably didn't seem like a wrong turn whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1358691]Do you mean a geographic or a metaphoric wrong turn?[/QUOTE]Did you ever watch bugs bunny?

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1358760]Did you ever watch bugs bunny?[/QUOTE]Hmm, I knew I should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque. <insert big grin smiley

If anyone wants to gaze into a crystal ball and know what the future of AC will look like due to 'upward pricing pressures' just look at Thailand.[/QUOTE]30 years ago the Phils, Vietnam and Thailand were similar in economies. Vietnam and Thailand understood that if they allowed large birth numbers they would not be able to grow economically because of the cost of education, medical care, and also high unemployment rates. Vietnam and Thailand promoted birth control and sex ed. You see what happened to them. They flourished. The Phils under the influence of the Catholic Church has gone downhill, sadly. But it is the huge number of unemployed young that also makes for fertile grounds (so to speak) for ISG visitors. As long as there is this big pool of unemployed there will be the employment that we enjoy, though the price may increase due to increased tourism and demand. If the Phils ever gets its act together (fat farking chance, unfortunately for the people) it would go the way of the other Southeast countries, and the hobby price would climb proportionately.

[quote=doppel one; 1358336]if anyone wants to gaze into a crystal ball and know what the future of ac will look like due to 'upward pricing pressures' just look at thailand. there is no comparison between thailand now and 10 years ago. there are now very few 18-22 year olds in the premium go-go bars in pattaya and bkk and the price they demand for st and lt is very high. the average girl / hag in a regular bar beer is probably in her late 20s and of dubious quality. obviously general affluence and the state of the economy is the main factor at play here and of course many girls have more career choices than they did 10 years ago. nowadays if a poor family can survive off the earnings of a girl who is considered the 'runt' of the family they will allow her better looking sister (the stronger gene) to get a college education, a good career and possibly find a decent husband. so the girls left to work in the bars will eventually be the runts of the family litter. be warned, it doesn't always follow that the quality of the girls remains high as prices rise.

luckily the deterioration in overall standards will not affect the more erudite and savvy members of the board who will adapt and work out how to get quality girls at still affordable prices elsewhere. but the lazy mongers, the cursed 'one week millionaires', who want it all on a plate because they have the 'cash to splash' will find themselves in an increasingly small pond competing for fewer and fewer pieces of top notch pussy. well, guys, you only have yourselves to blame.

i actually hold the view that the future for ac as a mongering destination is fairly bleak anyway due mainly to the expansion of clark airport which is destined to become the 2nd airport of manila. young vacationers and backpacker types, and by that i include western women, are starting to arrive at clark in order to explore the philippines and many of them overnight in ac staying at the hotels on fields av and along perimeter. this initial trickle of non-mongering tourists will soon become a flood and when it does the whole nature of ac will rapidly change. in ten years time the average price of an ewr may be 4000. but will the ac we currently know and love still exist? i think not.[/quote]i am sorry, but i have to disagree with you that this expansion of the clark airport as a second one will doomed ac. the building of good infrastructure and the philippines do not go together. for the clark airport to be fully functional and practical, the philippines government will need to build a good skyway highway [like the one we see in bangkok going from the airport to the down town] and high speed rail link to the ortegas / makati / fort areas of manila, and i do not see this happening in the philippines within the next 10-20 years. there is just too much corruption, traffic, and dis functional government. it could happen in vietnam, but the philippines is no vietnam that is for sure!

in terms of the prices going up, i do not see that happening either unless ac gets the same volume of russian, korean, and other foreign tourist as thailand. pattaya and bangkok are definately more expensive because of this, but thailand offers a much better and safe vacation environment that ac. ac is a dump and is dirty during the day time. hardly tourist friendly compare to pattaya or bangkok. its value is only at night to the mongers!