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[QUOTE=Wan King]I then asked her when the price last went up and she told me that it has been 50 euro since the euro came in 2002. Is this correct guys ??
She also says it didnt go up much with the change over from DM to Euro.
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The price actually went down with the change from the DM as 50 Euros is 97.79DM. The standard price in DM was 100.
FKK's must be like electronics because they tend to be deflationary. Clubs like Schieferhof used to be70€ per session, now they are at 50 as well. The idea of a 50€ not being the given price will stay that way for a long time to come. And when girls say the cost of living is going up in Germany she is sort of fuill of shit. The inflation rate here since 2002 has been under 1.5% a year and in a tonne of areas deflationary. At least if you want to live frugally. The only things that have really exploded in price are Gas & energy (like everywhere), restaurants and cafe's (But most have been punished due ot less business with the higher prices) and designer clothes. Almost everything else has been deflationary in this country, hence the sad state of the national economy for all things other than export industry.
Most forms of prostiution in Germany with prices over this 50€ number are not doing well at all.
what has gone up is the entrance fee in the Frankfurt area. Atlantis used to be 100dm, then 110dm when it switched to € they went up to 60€ and now it has creeped into the 65€ area. I think there is price resistance at that level and it will be a while before they hit 70 or 75.
Clubs like the Red Carpet ones always try out new pricing schemes, moving prices and service levels up and down all the time. Now they are at the 50€ level too. I doubt people will accept it from that club.
[QUOTE=Peter]what has gone up is the entrance fee in the Frankfurt area. Atlantis used to be 100dm, then 110dm when it switched to € they went up to 60€ and now it has creeped into the 65€ area. I think there is price resistance at that level and it will be a while before they hit 70 or 75.
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Malibu is 50 euro entrace, and has a happy hour rate of 35. Which is one reason why I am going to try it out on Saturday morning.
"what has gone up is the entrance fee in the Frankfurt area. Atlantis used to be 100dm, then 110dm when it switched to € they went up to 60€ and now it has creeped into the 65€ area. I think there is price resistance at that level and it will be a while before they hit 70 or 75."
When you factor in the food that is now provided at most places, there really is not a big increase in prices. In my observation, the economy has affected the business. The sessions seem to be shorter and fewer than in the past. I also see fewer expensive autos at the clubs. I remember at Atlantis I used to see some incredible cars at the club and lots of playboy type men. These days I see more old locals and a larger percentage of the customers are foreigners. I remember some girls talking about multiple hour sessions where the customers would spend hundreds of Euros. These days I see mainly 30 minute sessions. It is the foreigners who are the bigger spenders these days. Plus, the opening of more clubs has spread the customers around. The fact that Oase is offering discounts and World has a loyalty program strongly suggests that the competition is strong.
If the girls do not make enough money, eventually the quality will decrease. The customers will not return and the clubs will close. I think part of the problem is the girls expectation of making alot of money quickly. When the sauna club concept first started, it was a way for a girl to work a few days a month to supplement their income. Most had other jobs. They expected to do 3-4 sessions a day. Now many expect to make a killing.
Also the increased standard of living in eastern europe is making it less attractive for girls to come over. The german P4P scene was horrible for the customer in the 80's from what i have heard. There were mainly RLD's, the girls would rip the guys off and the prices were astronomically high. Then the flood of girls from the east came. At home they could earn 50€ a month in a crappy factory job, there it was a god send.
Now there are enough people in the Czech Republic and such who either earn 500€ a month in a semi decent job, or can get a boyfriend at home who has some serious cash.
that makes the treck to the west less attractive. The countries that are still dirt poor are ones where you don't always want the girls from.
which one of these clubs :Samya, Planet Happy garden, goldentime or wildenrath is nearest to Dusseldorf airport?
And how far from the airport would it be??
thanks
Fred
[QUOTE=Wan King]which one of these clubs :Samya, Planet Happy garden, goldentime or wildenrath is nearest to Dusseldorf airport?
And how far from the airport would it be??
thanks
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There are others on the board who know the NRW area better than I do, but I am going to guess and say that Samya is where you want to go if proximity to Düsseldorf is important. Take a cab from Samya to the Köln Hauptbahnhof and from there take the train to the Düsseldorf Flughafen. Major traffic jams in that part of Germany are a way of life and the best way to avoid that is by using the Deutsche Bahn. Köln-D'dorf Flug. is 30 to 40 minutes depending on which connection you get.
If you want to do PHG, then you can take a Taxi to Krefeld Hauptbahnhof and get a connection to the airport over Duisburg or Dü-Hauptbahnhof. The connections take between 40-50 minutes.
Good luck,
Dedalus
Deda,
Don't want to fall in your back (been in Germany too long using a phrase like that in english) but Samya is the club furthest away from the Düsseldorf Airport.
The A44 goes right by the airport across the rhine and then the exit to PHG is something like the 3rd exit. It might be an expensive cab ride, but with a rental car PHG is about 20 minutes from the airport. And the A44 doesn't have many traffic jams.
I am currently having sex with a "not very attractive" girlfriend at home. Because of my FKK trips, I am having great sex with this girl, because I now block her out of my mind and pretend that I am back fucking some of the hotties in Palace or Oase.
Also I am having the most amazing wanks of my life at the moment. I love to close my eyes and relive my FKK sessions, and also fantasize about all the girls I did not get around to fucking. Infact since I seriously got into the FKK way of life, I have also lost nearly all interest in Porn. I much prefer my memories to on screen images now.
So while the FKK trips maybe a bit expensive, they really are worth for it because of the improvements to masturbation and serious improvements to an otherwise dull sex life.
[QUOTE=Peter]Deda,
Don't want to fall in your back (been in Germany too long using a phrase like that in english) but Samya is the club furthest away from the Düsseldorf Airport.
The A44 goes right by the airport across the rhine and then the exit to PHG is something like the 3rd exit. It might be an expensive cab ride, but with a rental car PHG is about 20 minutes from the airport. And the A44 doesn't have many traffic jams.[/QUOTE]
No problem. Bin nicht beleidigt. Like I said, it was more a guess on my part (aside from the train connections).
Danke fürs Aufklären,
Dedalus
Are there any FKK's in or around the Heidelberg area? On my way there and would like to try something other than World or Palace.
Thanks
It needs quiet some efforts and technical skills, and it takes time to prepare everything for a successful FKK tour or any other international mongering trip. Here a few advices based on personal experience.
Information
Since I discovered ISG, this is not an issue anymore. Still, it takes always some time to collect the necessary information and contacting other members for a meeting. And there are a few basic computer security rules not to forget:
-always use a separate Email account for mongering purpose only
-never give any information on the public board that can lead to identification
-never forget before leaving the Internet Browser to delete history, cookies and other temporary files.
-I discovered another one not so long ago: never forget to delete the data that is in the cut/paste function of your text editor.
Money
1000€ cash expenses within a few days are not easy to hide to the partner of life, especially if it happens several times a year, everytime when travelling abroad. It needs therefore a private bank account for mongering purposes only. The key rule is to work all year round to put money on it. And believe me, there are plenty of opportunities for it, as long as you keep always in mind to work for it.
Credit Card and other records
Not only P4P are to be paid by cash. During the Touring, keep always in mind never to use your Credit Card as long as you are not supposed to be somewhere or are at a specific time or day. Same rules for any ticket or other piece of paper: destroy it before you will forget it in a pocket.
Travel
It takes always some time create a business travel opportunity to Europe. Keep in mind always to leave some time in the professional schedule for the mongering activities.
Passport
Passport stamps are an issue for most mongering trips like Brazil or Thailand. Only few countries like Cuba will not put the damn stamp on your passport. Luckily, Germany is in Shengen zone, and you will have no stamp if coming from another Shengen country. So no problem if you are supposed to be for business in another Shengen country.
GPS
Experience shows that most FKK are not easy to find. My advice is to use a GPS. Enter all the locations to visit as waypoints before to leave. But don’t forget to delete them at the end of your travel, as well as the automatic track recording of your GPS!
GSM
Better not to be used for mongering purpose. Keep in mind to delete any suspicious call from the history logger. Oh, and by the way, don't forget to call everyday at home, especially during the suspicious periods of time!
Language
I'm currently learning German. Unbelievable how mongering improved my language skills!
Everything is now ready for my next FKK tour. I’m looking forward, as I really need my periodical anti-stress therapy. Yes, I’m leaving today and I will not have any more Internet communication before I come back. See you on 1st of December for our ISG FKK World meeting!
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Everything is now ready for my next FKK tour. I’m looking forward, as I really need my periodical anti-stress therapy. Yes, I’m leaving today and I will not have any more Internet communication before I come back. See you on 1st of December for our ISG FKK World meeting![/QUOTE]
Not really necessary to break completely away from the world-wide-web while in Deutschland. Book a room at the Excelsior near the Frankfurt main station. They have some of the best and cheapest (read: free) internet facilities in the area. It is a good way to keep contact and keep abreast (pun intended) of the current World/Palace/Oase status.
Have a blast,
Dedalus
Hi ,
I never have been in a FKK and I'm not so expert in the pros scene.
I've an airplane ticket from the 7 to the 9 of december to Frankfourt
I'd like to try a FKK but I don't know how to start.
Lot of people suggested me the Oase , expecially becouse in that days (wednsday and thursday) there are the "2 X 1" day and the "lingerie day" (I love women with lingerie more than naked..).
What do you suggest me ?
I'd like 2 very relaxed days with music , dinner , erotic massages and sex.
Thanks
Dan
Thanks for the info Dedalus,
But I just can't imagine spending time in a hotelroom on Internet while I'm that close to the FKK paradise. It's like looking a documentary at the hotel's TV about elephants and lions while in Kenia. I prefer reality to virtuality and I could consider it only if Internet was available inside FKK. I want to enjoy every single minute of my well desearved FKK Tour!
Sorry we could not meet us this time. We keep in touch through the...virtual Internet.
Routard