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Optimist,

You are not alone. I have fallen into seeing a favorite girl for longer rooms at different clubs four times. Usually good, sometimes not.

No 1. (NRW) Was great for about a year, then wanted me to see only her at that club, then 'rolled me'. Sucker me, my bad; put down to (in) experience.

No 2. (A) Was also great for about a year, then wanted exclusivity from me at that club, then I found she was giving services I wanted to others but not me. (WTF?) I talked to her about it, she just didn't seem to understand it was a problem so stopped seeing her.

No 3. (Thailand) See this girl (early 30's) for about 6 weeks each year for my 'holidays'. She is tour guide, culture guide, f**k buddy and holiday companion. (Daily cost same as about 1 hour at Globe.) Absolutely no problem, great girl. I am trying to encourage her to 'adopt' a couple of other guys like me to fill out her income but she wants to maintain her hair salon business.

No 4. (NRW) Current Euro favorite. She just recently asked for exclusivity at club. May do it. There are lots of other clubs nearby. And will not get rolled.

Also have solved (A) vacancy by having 3 favorites at club. On a day visit see whoever of 3's there. Usually 2 - and a newbie. The girls know that, all being well, they will get good repeat business but that there is no point in asking for exclusivity. One has now asked to be 'first' each visit. I think there may be an unconscious desire to be 'special' for a regular.

I think, in Europe, this is the way to go if you enjoy familiarity with the woman for your pleasure but also some variation.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2223107]Sorry McA, I have no idea how much recent experience you have with US universities let alone US high schools to be making such sweeping, derogatory comments. Do you always make such generalizations?[/QUOTE]I screen, interview, and hire millenials (some from American universites, some not). Derogatory? I am not the only one saying it. [URL]https://www.businessinsider.de/grade-inflation-us-high-schools-2017-7?r=US&IR=T[/URL].

Secondly, 90% is just my rough, inexact estimate. I am not a statistician. And obviously, I haven't interviewed students from all 4000 universities and who knows how many high schools.

Third, just because a high school gives everyone A's does not mean the students do not learn. Some students, albeit a small minority, actually are passionate about learning. If they are interested in a subject, they will motivated to learn on their own. At some of the better service FKKs, you can expect a baseline level of service. However, at a tourist club, management does not impose any standards. But some WGs take it upon themselves to work at the higher service standard.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2223107]
Perhaps Europe can figure out if they can attract some immigrant engineers? I guess that is the only reason that US has been forging ahead? We must be doing something right if most of the brightest people in the world want to come work here.[/QUOTE]Germany attract its fair share. Universities are free. But America is more friendly to entrepreneurs. In 1970, a young Taiwanese engineer graduated from Technishce Hochschule Darmstadt (not far from Sharks). He immigrated to the Silicon Valley and is now a billionaire. [URL]https://moneyinc.com/david-sun-and-john-tu/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2223107]So, 90% of our schools and colleges are worthless and we have the top GDP and per capita among the larger industrialized nations because we have some immigrants. Yup, we will go with that. Please tell us if the percent of worthless grads and grade inflation is much less in Europe. Despite such exacting standards, why is EU falling behind? Hmm.[/QUOTE]Grade inflation is a worldwide trend, but it seems to be worse in the US due to profit-driven nature of American universities. How far has the EU fallen behind? Over what years has the US gained the most ground?

[QUOTE=Optimist;2223828]I know others have similar experiences to mine. I tend, when I find a girl I like, to do multi hour rooms and repeat over a long period of time. The consequence of getting on so well with a working girl is that she stops "working" and then there is less sex and more "her". And the point then comes when the girl doesn't want me to go with other girls, professing a strange sort of jealousy. I become a bit like a imprisoned husband who then sneaks off to another club to fuck a different girl: irony.
.[/QUOTE]I know how you feel. This happens every so often. Last year I was so excited about a girl at GTs from a year earlier. I felt like I had climbed Mt Everest when I jumped in a car and drove 3-hours to GT to find my damsel. We spent multiple hours in the room with a non-DT BJ and LFK and one release by intercourse and a second release by HJ. Of course she went out to get me a beer for 5 minutes. We did cuddle a bit but. I can cuddle with my spaniel at home. There was probably more contact out of the room as she came to sit on my lap a few times to get me to room with her again. I loved all her attention but it is counter productive.

In Brasil is is much worse. I felt like I had to do a 3-sum if I wanted to see a new girl so the girl that wanted to be my girl friend would not become jealous. This is stupid.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2223930]I screen, interview, and hire millenials (some from American universites, some not). Derogatory? I am not the only one saying it. [URL]https://www.businessinsider.de/grade-inflation-us-high-schools-2017-7?r=US&IR=T[/URL].

Secondly, 90% is just my rough, inexact estimate. I am not a statistician. And obviously, I haven't interviewed students from all 4000 universities and who knows how many high schools.

Third, just because a high school gives everyone A's does not mean the students do not learn. Some students, albeit a small minority, actually are passionate about learning. If they are interested in a subject, they will motivated to learn on their own. At some of the better service FKKs, you can expect a baseline level of service. However, at a tourist club, management does not impose any standards. But some WGs take it upon themselves to work at the higher service standard.

Germany attract its fair share. Universities are free. But America is more friendly to entrepreneurs. In 1970, a young Taiwanese engineer graduated from Technishce Hochschule Darmstadt (not far from Sharks). He immigrated to the Silicon Valley and is now a billionaire. [URL]https://moneyinc.com/david-sun-and-john-tu/[/URL].

Grade inflation is a worldwide trend, but it seems to be worse in the US due to profit-driven nature of American universities. How far has the EU fallen behind? Over what years has the US gained the most ground?[/QUOTE]Grade inflation is a private school dilemma usually. Rich parents have a tendency to get annoyed if their kids receive a bad grade. It also lowers the score for the students of the private school if none have the grades required to enter the good universities. And no country have so many private schools as usa. But correct me if I am wrong.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2223828]I know others have similar experiences to mine. I tend, when I find a girl I like, to do multi hour rooms and repeat over a long period of time. The consequence of getting on so well with a working girl is that she stops "working" and then there is less sex and more "her". And the point then comes when the girl doesn't want me to go with other girls, professing a strange sort of jealousy. I become a bit like a imprisoned husband who then sneaks off to another club to fuck a different girl: irony.

It has happened again. My club companion asked me, as I was leaving, not to go with any other girl. Despite the fact that her situation currently makes sex a bit difficult for her. I shall have to have an interesting discussion when I see her. I didn't have time today as I was off to an incall followed by a gangbang

Of course, it can be interpreted differently, for example, unscrupulous girls taking advantage of a gullible nice guy.

I only write this in the spirit of sharing experiences and to entertain. I can handle it quite happily. These girls are crazy.[/QUOTE]Optimist,

Thanks for sharing your experience. I have nearly identical stages of craziness with a single girl. The night I met her first time was more than a year ago. It was around midnight and I already had 2 or 3 rooms before her. Wasn't planning any action and just set there relaxing on the couch. She approached and started the usual "how are you" and "what's your name" dialog but I felt something special about her. Initially I had to decline the room, so she went to fuck other bears. I kept sitting and watching her for some time before our first session couple of hours later. Since then I have done countless rooms with her. I am heading back to see her again in October and in November. I have no explanation for my attraction to her. It's an addiction. I want to see her again and again and fuck her as much as I possibly can and watch her fuck other men. In my defense I must say she fits my specs 100%. Like one of these favorite kid's toys. Long hair, petite body, lusty eyes, playful tongue, beautiful boobies, cute and firm ass, pussy muscle that drives you insane, gorgeous legs and feet. We eat and drink together. She strips and dances for me in the room. She wears things that I like, such as tiny panties and high heel sandals with no ugly platforms. She already knows what I like and does it on her own, often to surprise me or to demo a new club outfit. The experience varies from day to day as everything else in life, I saw her laugh and cry, and be mad at me and be happy with me, but most of it is simple, uncomplicated fun. These girls are crazy, indeed. If anybody wants to join in October or November for an MMF session, PM me for details.

Well, from this thread it seems Vegas is a bust. Does anyone have any experience with the Australian scene?

I already provided links before, but here it is:

[URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2017&locations=US&start=2007[/URL]

You can plot the trajectory of each country's per capital GDP.

Here they are, for a few select countries in US $.

DE: 41814 (2007), 44065 (2012), 44469 (2017).

France: 41508 (2007), 40874 (2012), 38476 (2017).

Italy: 37698 (2007), 34814 (2012), 31952 (2017).

NED: 51241 (2007), 49474 (2012), 48223 (2012).

UK: 50134 (2007), 41790 (2012), 39720 (2017).

USA: 48061 (2007), 51450 (2012), 59530 (2017).

In 2007, Germany's per capita was 87% that of US number. Now it is at 75%.

That is for the most successful economy among the large EU nations.

The PPP numbers show EU a bit better but not too much.

I will let you decide if that is EU falling backward (or forward on its face).

As for the rest of your slanders -- it is tough to argue when you have an agenda of US bashing for some personal reasons, and keep throwing one baseless charge after another. It is not even clear that you are in US now from what you write, and somehow you think you have a clear perspective to make a ridiculous statement such as "90% of US schools and universities are substandard".

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2223976]Well, from this thread it seems Vegas is a bust. Does anyone have any experience with the Australian scene?[/QUOTE]Here are a couple of links you might want to explore in researching Australia. The first is a review board, the second is an upscale escort service.

[URL]https://escorts.punterplanet.com/sydney-escorts[/URL]

[URL]https://scarletblue.com.au[/URL]

When you say that Vegas is a bust, I presume you mean its nearby legal brothels are a bust, which is correct.

I can list plenty of independent Vegas escorts that are knockouts and provide very GFE services, including bbbjtcim. They are simply very expensive.

Australia appears to have the same issues. The ISG Australia threads have plenty of reports on the legal brothels there, and it seems that all, or virtually all, of those reports describe fairly lackluster sessions that are CBJ. There are plenty of ISG reports of the low-dollar scene in Australia (usually massage parlors), and I have never been too impressed with what I have read.

The believable reviews on other review sites of knockout Australian ladies giving GFE services are often of independent escorts and ladies affiliated with the Scarlett Blue agency, which is very expensive.

There seem to be many places, including the USA, London, and Australia, where it appears a person has to spend a tremendous amount of money to obtain GFE from a young lady in the classic 8-10 range for looks and body. The decision for guys living there or traveling there, is whether to spend that much, or choose to travel to another destination where that same value can be obtained for less money. Thailand, for instance, seems to be a popular vacation spot for Australian mongers. I think it is always a mistake to simply say that a tremendous experience with a beautiful young lady is not available in Australia. It clearly is, if a guy spends a lot of money booking a Scarlet Blue provider.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2223993]I already provided links before, but here it is:

[URL]https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2017&locations=US&start=2007[/URL]

You can plot the trajectory of each country's per capital GDP.

Here they are, for a few select countries in US $.

DE: 41814 (2007), 44065 (2012), 44469 (2017)..[/QUOTE]Your stats are only partially true. These are average numbers. In the US almost all the wage growth is in the high earners. The lower 80% have not seen a real wage increase. Also, your numbers do not adjust for exchange rates, inflation or purchasing power parity. Thus, it is not so clear who is better off. Obviously, the drop in salaries is a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2223976]Well, from this thread it seems Vegas is a bust. Does anyone have any experience with the Australian scene?[/QUOTE]I've never been, but the Aussies I've met in Thailand say it sucks. That's why they go to Pattaya and / or Angeles, Philippines.

Interesting responses on the dangers of longterm favourites. Often it seems it is just a girl taking it easy with a tolerant relaxed customer: like HungryStud101 says it ends up no different to cuddling the spaniel at home. With my current girl I even let her sleep! (briefly) and offered my whatsapp so she could call home (she has no phone at the moment). It is ok.But as she wants exclusivity I will disengage

But occasionally the danger has been more severe. I identify with Smoke Light when I think of one now retired girl. She always knew what was in my head before I did, had astonishing empathy (not just with me), she was the sexiest girl ever, and I willingly spent time with her when she was crippled with period pains or other problems. She was emotionally mixed up and all the more rewarding for it.

In both cases they really did not want me to go with other girls, claiming jealousy. I think it is more that they over time told me so much about themselves they were scared I would blab to other girls. This is understandable: my current favourite (to whom I have no attachment) would be thrown out of her club if I told the management certain things.

Dubner. Yes it is partly about the customer wanting to feel special. At first that seems to translate into better service, but then seems to tail off into a spaniel cuddling realm. Of course what is special is the fact we have euros, as Mr Ho. Says. Unlike Mr Ho, I do not keep the club world hermetically sealed. So I run more risks, but enjoy meeting girls outside FKK, but that is another story.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2224087]Interesting responses on the dangers of longterm favourites. Often it seems it is just a girl taking it easy with a tolerant relaxed customer: like HungryStud101 says it ends up no different to cuddling the spaniel at home. With my current girl I even let her sleep! (briefly) and offered my whatsapp so she could call home (she has no phone at the moment). It is ok.But as she wants exclusivity I will disengage

But occasionally the danger has been more severe. I identify with Smoke Light when I think of one now retired girl. She always knew what was in my head before I did, had astonishing empathy (not just with me), she was the sexiest girl ever, and I willingly spent time with her when she was crippled with period pains or other problems. She was emotionally mixed up and all the more rewarding for it.

In both cases they really did not want me to go with other girls, claiming jealousy. I think it is more that they over time told me so much about themselves they were scared I would blab to other girls. This is understandable: my current favourite (to whom I have no attachment) would be thrown out of her club if I told the management certain things.

Dubner. Yes it is partly about the customer wanting to feel special. At first that seems to translate into better service, but then seems to tail off into a spaniel cuddling realm. Of course what is special is the fact we have euros, as Mr Ho. Says. Unlike Mr Ho, I do not keep the club world hermetically sealed. So I run more risks, but enjoy meeting girls outside FKK, but that is another story.[/QUOTE]I like to have regulars. It's easier for me than having to explain my needs with a new lady each time. Unfortunately, at some point they decide they set the limits, schedule, etc. This is usually just before my feeling of content switch to, you know that you're a working girl and I'm a customer. If she is unwilling to meet my desires due to her thoughts on how things should work then she will see that there are many others willing to make me a regular client for a few months.

No matter what a lady says or does in this line of work, if she doesn't meet you outside the club without demanding money, doesn't take you inside her house for a coffee when you drop her off, little things that honestly allow you into their lives. Without these things, she is just working.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2223941]Grade inflation is a private school dilemma usually. Rich parents have a tendency to get annoyed if their kids receive a bad grade. It also lowers the score for the students of the private school if none have the grades required to enter the good universities. And no country have so many private schools as usa. But correct me if I am wrong.[/QUOTE]You are not wrong, but it goes a little farther than that. The US funding for a lot of public schools come from real estate taxes. So schools in wealthier areas get more funding, which raises home prices, which results in more taxes (since those taxes are based on home values and people want to move their for the better public schools), creating a vicious cycle. If you pay $500,000 for a home that would cost $200,000 exclusive of this cycle so your kid can go to a better public school, he or she better get motherfucking A's in that school.

In the US, everything is about getting into the upper class in terms earnings and wealth. You read different statistics. Some say you need to be in the top 10 percent, some 15 percent, a few say 20 percent but I think the 20 percent scholars just wanted easier math. Most all of the income and wealth goes to the upper class. The best sex workers service guys in this upper class and charge very high rates. So high in fact that many of them become members of it for a period of time, although relatively few save enough of their earnings to stay in it after their careers are finished. I have walked some higher-end ladies I have seen in Vegas to the valet of the hotel and have been stunned when they said, do you like my cute little car, as a truly high-end sports car arrives.

So in fairness, parents realize that to have a good life in the US, a kid needs to get into this top 1-20 percent group (more likely top 1-10 percent group) to have a really good life. Soon the kids realize this too. This top percentage in the US has it better than any other group in the world. That causes a draw of immigrants, and hell it probably causes everyone to work harder and be more innovative, since the shifting of members among classes allows a few people from lower classes to move up. That movement doesn't happen as often as most economists would like, though.

Who can blame the best sex workers in the US from servicing the upper class and from charging the highest rates? It is a bit disingenuous for US guys who are members of the upper class and who earn a lot (the dentist in the prior post earning $225,000 in the US would not earn that much in Eastern Europe) to complain about the the high cost of top US sex workers. Why wouldn't the best US ladies charge guys who have a lot of income and wealth a very high rate? On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with US guys choosing to go abroad to get the same services from similar ladies for a fraction of the price.

And I am still convinced that the US will never allow immigration that would reduce the prices. There is a steady stream of northeast guys who travel to Montreal, primarily via car, to get these prices and services instead of paying the exorbitant high-end call girl prices in the US northeast. But many of us were shocked to discover that Montreal girls rarely tour the US because US border patrol was tracking website photos and schedules to identify them, searching their luggage for evidence, and confronting them. Many reported accepting voluntary bans from further entry into the US in exchange for the quiet termination of the investigations. But the draw for higher rates per hour was what drew them to tour. And it is the existence of that "upper-class"group in the US, and the benefits it produces, that generates everything from grade inflation to Montreal ladies trying to cross the borders work in the US on tours.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2223828]

Of course, it can be interpreted differently, for example, unscrupulous girls taking advantage of a gullible nice guy.

[/QUOTE]If you had at least 3 sessions in 3 different days with total time of at least 3 hours with her before this session and she didn't say she didn't want you to see other girls before this session, I think that most likely she really meant what she said and has romantic feeling to you, assuming that she knows you live in EU.

In general, if a monger is better than the WG, which can often happen in RTC or AO clubs where the girls usually don't have the top optics, the trend of the romantic relationship between the monger and the girl can often be uptrend, that is, more time the monger spends with her, more romantic the relationship can get, despite the age difference because many WGs look for father figure. If the WG is better than the monger, the trend of the relationship is not going to go anywhere and the monger is hopeless LOL. If the WG is roughly the same as the monger, it will be hard to say whether the relationship is heading upward and the relationship development will be very slow even if he eventually has some edge over her.

From what I read on ISG (mainly GT and FKK chat threads), I think you (whom I respect and admire in this regard) are one of very few posters who are looking for real and true relationship with the WGs which usually requires the involved mongers to lower the optic level of the WGs they look for in order to achieve that. It is definitely possible for a monger to have real and true romantic relationships with a WG as long as he is willing to lower the optic level of the WG he is looking for to at least his level. But most mongers don't want to do that, which is understandable, and consequently and obviously they get all the fake and fantasy relationships with WGs.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2223993]
I will let you decide if that is EU falling backward (or forward on its face).

As for the rest of your slanders -- it is tough to argue when you have an agenda of US bashing for some personal reasons, and keep throwing one baseless charge after another. It is not even clear that you are in US now from what you write, and somehow you think you have a clear perspective to make a ridiculous statement such as "90% of US schools and universities are substandard".[/QUOTE]Hey Buddy,

I know where you are coming from, I have heard my share of gratuitous USA bashing, and I do think the US has some unique strengths that I hope are not destroyed by Mr. T's self serving agenda. However somethings noted by other members are valid points.

There is a wide variation in the quality of university education in the US. I transferred from a lesser University of California campus to UCLA, and the quality of education and effort needed to achieve the same grade was enormously different and this is in the same University of California system. There is a huge difference between universities in the US.

Furthermore the point about grade inflation is also valid, in the mid 90's there was a NYT newspaper article about grade inflation at Stanford, the median grade was an A- and if you dropped a class or got less than a see you would repeat it and it was wiped of your transcript. The median grade at UCLA was a be- and see+ in lower division courses. Maybe the bottom half at UCLA was worse but the top half at UCLA was as good as the top half at Stanford. So I think my A-/ B+ GPA from UCLA was worth a lot more than an A- GPA from Stanford. The Ivy League is notorious for grade inflation as well.

Alot of my older friends say that grading standards were far tougher in the olden days. The grades seem to be flowing. I think the basic premise behind university education in the US is great and unique compared to most systems.

1. The emphasis on critical thinking, an enormous weak point in Sweden were people are taught to obey the teacher's line and criticism is strongly discouraged.

2. The multi-disciplinarian approach to education, I love the fact that you have to take courses in different areas and people do get a broader education in this system. The European retort to this is that their high schools are better so they don't need this. Well even if their high schools are better, I think a bad university is far better than a good high school and I went to an elite high school.

Nevertheless a lot of McAdonis' points are valid about the wide variation in US universities and about grade inflation. I think elite universities like UCLA in the US are second to none, however there are a lot of universities in the US that are a lot worse.