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Oana World asked me on April 2014, in room, for very big money for her very sick brother and then she would leave World and go with me, when for our 6 rooms, I never asked her for anything else than playful sex, because she was playful for fucking in downstairs toilets for Bunny party, quite difficult and sporty. I just wish her, her brother if she has one, is very fine and it was, of course, our last room, becoming deaf to her Mon. Chéri after that. If I was really looking for bareback sex, I could have for free with prettier and classier girls, and still now. Will never pay 30000 extra with a GND, when I can have a Russian model for 2 months for this rate.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2067984]Oana World asked me on April 2014, in room, for very big money for her very sick brother and then she would leave World and go with me, when for our 6 rooms, I never asked her for anything else than playful sex, because she was playful for fucking in downstairs toilets for Bunny party, quite difficult and sporty. I just wish her, her brother if she has one, is very fine and it was, of course, our last room, becoming deaf to her Mon. Chri after that. If I was really looking for bareback sex, I could have for free with prettier and classier girls, and still now. Will never pay 30000 extra with a GND, when I can have a Russian model for 2 months for this rate.[/QUOTE]But this girl has mental problems and it is not a joke, her behavior is very unstable.

Now that condoms are required for oral sex with prostitutes by law, my time visiting sauna clubs and FKK clubs here just came to an end. Sure, maybe if I am here for business I may pop in but I won't be connecting through Germany on purpose or scheduling any mongering trips here. Zurich, Spain and Austria just got a lot more of my business.

Hopefully, this development does not have a negative effect on the business throughout the continent. A prime example of a group-think, liberal regulation destroying business opportunities.

Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.

[QUOTE=CopaBrasil1;2068982]Now that condoms are required for oral sex with prostitutes by law, my time visiting sauna clubs and FKK clubs here just came to an end. Sure, maybe if I am here for business I may pop in but I won't be connecting through Germany on purpose or scheduling any mongering trips here. Zurich, Spain and Austria just got a lot more of my business.

Hopefully, this development does not have a negative effect on the business throughout the continent. A prime example of a group-think, liberal regulation destroying business opportunities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2069400]Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.[/QUOTE]Keep on dreaming. The effect is minuscule.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2069400]Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.[/QUOTE]Doubtful as the mischief that the new law is trying to remedy is protection of women and not generating wealth in the economy. Other measures like allowing expats into the country are to stimulate growth as well as fulfil humanitarian objectives for people seeking sanctury from Brexit.

Alas I know many guys now who refuse to come anymore to Germany since the new law came in. I guess this makes the locals happier.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2069400]Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.[/QUOTE]You don't understand the socialist workers paradise Europe.

Europe is not about business but about collecting taxes and spending subsidies, and for as far as collecting taxes are concerned the new law is probably very successful.

For example, GT has been raided a few times already since the new law came into effect, and the current line up is pathetic. Of course lot's of stunners are on vacation, but I wound not be surprised if many of the hot & smart & independent girls don't feel like paying 30-40-50% of their hard-earned cash to their new pimp: Angela Merkel.

The truly independent girls don't accept any pimp and simply move to another country or try the escort business, whereas the pimped girls now get squeezed between two pimps: Angela Merkel and their 'boyfriend.'

Politicians don't care thought, unless the situation gets really really bad and the media will start writing about it. They just want a quick feel-good headline about "fighting women traffickers" and they want to collect more taxes to pay for the multicultural social engineering drama, subsidies for their buddies, or bank bailouts.

Additionally, as Rogue Nation said: the effects are minimal. A few hundred less rental cars/hotel rooms per year is peanuts for a large industrial country like Germany, and the money that people spend on prostitution [u]previous to this new[/u] law didn't stay in Germany anyways. The money went straight back to Poland, Romania, Hungary, Moldavia, Estonia etc.

From a government standpoint, this new law is a win-win scenario: extra taxes + 'rescuing poor girls from their pimps' by (on paper) taking the pimp's place. 🤔 Oh, and since the Greens (B90-Die Gruenen) and Socialists (SPD) like taxes even more than any other political party, don't count on any changes should they win in the election in September.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2069633]Doubtful as the mischief that the new law is trying to remedy is protection of women and not generating wealth in the economy. Other measures like allowing expats into the country are to stimulate growth as well as fulfil humanitarian objectives for people seeking sanctury from Brexit.

Alas I know many guys now who refuse to come anymore to Germany since the new law came in. I guess this makes the locals happier.[/QUOTE]What is the weight of prostitution in the global economy, marginally low I guess, also a lot of the money is more or less escaping from Germany, Romanian girls are transferring the money to Romanian, also some guys will move to escort girls who are mostly German in conclusion for me 0 negative impact may be some positive, the mongers will spend more money in other things. We should also not forget that many visitors for the big fairs in Germany are not on this forum and will still go to the clubs even they are not aware about the new law.

HornyHarry. While I as you know disagree with your macro political points :D (Europe is not socialist, and I would argue, on balance, that the social democratic model should not be rubbished) on the detail and reality of the new law I agree totally.

(BTW. I don't mean to start a political discussion, I just wanted to register my different viewpoint. This is not the place for political discussion, so I will say that I fully recognise the force of laissez-faire and libertarian arguments :)).

The new law will lead to very little loss in GDP, and will lead probably to continued increasing tax take by the State from prostitution. As you say, the new law is a win win for the State.

It is an example of the dangers inherent in the social-democratic model: the creeping state control, increasing taxation, and erosion of civil liberties. Germany is beginning to move down that road. The State is very nervous about what it can't control, and, especially after the recent surge of immigration, is trying to make sure it controls all unruly elements. Conform or leave.

The State will constrain, and benefit from, prostitutes as much as many "friends" of prostitutes do now. It will, with the registration requirements, push girls even more into the hands of "agents.

And I suspect that all means even tighter restrictions if these ones don't bite very very hard.

Well, those which think that the new law since 1/7 has changed a lot must be tripping! Those which visit clubs regularly will most probably have noticed that in fact not a whole lot has changed, but off course that cannot be written. I do not understand that people are ignorant. The main changes occur in the "clubs" which were without any morals like the AO-clubs and the flat-rate-clubs, they have to adapt and funnily enough only those clubs seem to have to deal with a large number of clients not showing up anymore. In all visited clubs in July and August, I noticed zero change from female behaviour in the room, none whatsoever! In fact, things are probably getting better service wise! Those which cannot understand cannot be helped and can happily go to Switzerland / Austria were they have to deal with the natural upselling which are simply house-prices if you think about it.

After 1/1 2018 it will be impossible for girls to work in "decent" clubs without being registered, simple as that. A club will be forced to refuse girls which are not registered because the club in in severe risk of being closed or shut down if the controlling officers still find girls which are not registered! That will be the change, not the condom-thing orally. In fact, it will be a step forward for the clubs and the women and the clients as well probably because there will be less girls which are being forced by their "drivers / buddies / companies / loverboys", pick any combination, to work in a club (that they probably don't want to). The amount of service-less girls will be lower than nowadays for sure. The clubs won't have to deal with groups of girls which travel from here to there for a few weeks, offer lousy service and after a few weeks of fucking'up in club A, they are transferred to club B and so on. The girls have to register in the "kreis or area" of the particular club they are working. Again a step forward for club and clients. For the girls which have been registered since a while it is a step forward as well, at last the tax-evading girls will be paying taxes too, so a sort of little justification. For the girls which have not been registered it will be a change, a good one in that perspective that at least they will be able to have things like health-insurance, councelling from the "government" and so on. A negative change in that perspective that they will be paying some sort of taxes, but off course not 50% of their revenues.

Yes, there will be probably weak month January and / or February in the clubs in Germany because some girls will "believe" that the grass is more green in Switzerland / Austria / Spain or wherever but things will settle down rapidly and a large amount of girls will be back sooner as most people which try to create upsetting novelties can imagine. The remarks about the raids in for example GT are complete bollocks. Standard procedure after a long period of non-raids over there (more than 6 months since the last one). Yes, there were 2 raids and during raid 1, a few girls were found lacking the needed paperwork (they had to pay a fine off course), during raid 2 last week, nothing special and after a few hours of standard control the club and the girls and the clients moved on. At least the girls working in GT know by now they will have to make sure that they get the proper paperwork organised. They were handed out contact papers to get in touch with the official parties which will deal with the registration and so on. People which are talking about pathetic line-ups due to the new law must be tripping', they couldn't be more wrong!!

By the way, a lot of Germans or regular visitors from clubs which stay in Germany several months pro year won't mind a decrease of "tourists" and drop-by-visitors which are quite often easy pushover clients which have no idea what decent or top service is, and often pay too much anyway. That affects the general service level more in their opinion than the new law since a month and a bit. Just for the record! Pretty difficult to disagree with.

[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2069810]You don't understand the socialist workers paradise Europe.

Europe is not about business but about collecting taxes and spending subsidies, and for as far as collecting taxes are concerned the new law is probably very successful.

For example, GT has been raided a few times already since the new law came into effect, and the current line up is pathetic. Of course lot's of stunners are on vacation, but I wound not be surprised if many of the hot & smart & independent girls don't feel like paying 30-40-50% of their hard-earned cash to their new pimp: Angela Merkel.

The truly independent girls don't accept any pimp and simply move to another country or try the escort business, whereas the pimped girls now get squeezed between two pimps: Angela Merkel and their 'boyfriend.'

Politicians don't care thought, unless the situation gets really really bad and the media will start writing about it. They just want a quick feel-good headline about "fighting women traffickers" and they want to collect more taxes to pay for the multicultural social engineering drama, subsidies for their buddies, or bank bailouts.

Additionally, as Rogue Nation said: the effects are minimal. A few hundred less rental cars/hotel rooms per year is peanuts for a large industrial country like Germany, and the money that people spend on prostitution [u]previous to this new[/u] law didn't stay in Germany anyways. The money went straight back to Poland, Romania, Hungary, Moldavia, Estonia etc.

From a government standpoint, this new law is a win-win scenario: extra taxes + 'rescuing poor girls from their pimps' by (on paper) taking the pimp's place. 🤔 Oh, and since the Greens (B90-Die Gruenen) and Socialists (SPD) like taxes even more than any other political party, don't count on any changes should they win in the election in September.[/QUOTE]The escorts will also have to register, even on KM some girls get already controlled in the last weeks.

Spermbirds. Curious here. Why do you say that it cannot be written that there has been no effect from the new law on line up when you are writing that exact thing?

I cannot believe anyone thinks there would be a significant change to line up so soon. Only time will tell.

There have been many changes in other ways. For example, BBBJ is more common than previously.

Your predictions of such and such "will" happen, may or may not happen. They are logical possibilities. I am not sure, from my experience in clubs, they fully reflect the realities about the way the industry works or the way individuals behave. Just offering an alternative idea. Only time will tell.

I can just advice to those who have problems about new German law, registration controls at GT or LR, polizei raids, scared to finish visit in jail, to go to Spain where the sea is warmer, to more expensive Switzerland and Austria, to Russia, Latvia or Estonia for the prettiest women in the world, to south America for fake moaning Latinas, to Thailand, so many other places for paid sex.

As a foreigner, for me this new law is a good thing: No more standard BBBJ or AO sex, now guys can't make pressure on girls or complain about this at desk, girls are now free to decide to who they want to provide or not, like for kissing. I don't need to behave like a beggar in room, I try to get the best from what girls are able to give, and then I decide to stay longer, to repeat, or not, but so many nice girls to enjoy. As certainly one of the most faithful, weekly repeating specialist, with more than 200 rooms with only 5 girls, I even discovered when I don't like my regular girl behavior, better to change because I will find new ones very happy to get my business, to enjoy. Like in nature, one die, many are born, for my pleasure, easy.

[QUOTE=SpermBirds;2069850]Well, those which think that the new law since 1/7 has changed a lot must be tripping! Those which visit clubs regularly will most probably have noticed that in fact not a whole lot has changed, but off course that cannot be written. I do not understand that people are ignorant. The main changes occur in the "clubs" which were without any morals like the AO-clubs and the flat-rate-clubs, they have to adapt and funnily enough only those clubs seem to have to deal with a large number of clients not showing up anymore. In all visited clubs in July and August, I noticed zero change from female behaviour in the room, none whatsoever! In fact, things are probably getting better service wise! Those which cannot understand cannot be helped and can happily go to Switzerland / Austria were they have to deal with the natural upselling which are simply house-prices if you think about it.

After 1/1 2018 it will be impossible for girls to work in "decent" clubs without being registered, simple as that. A club will be forced to refuse girls which are not registered because the club in in severe risk of being closed or shut down if the controlling officers still find girls which are not registered! That will be the change, not the condom-thing orally. In fact, it will be a step forward for the clubs and the women and the clients as well probably because there will be less girls which are being forced by their "drivers / buddies / companies / loverboys", pick any combination, to work in a club (that they probably don't want to). The amount of service-less girls will be lower than nowadays for sure. The clubs won't have to deal with groups of girls which travel from here to there for a few weeks, offer lousy service and after a few weeks of fucking'up in club A, they are transferred to club B and so on. The girls have to register in the "kreis or area" of the particular club they are working. Again a step forward for club and clients. For the girls which have been registered since a while it is a step forward as well, at last the tax-evading girls will be paying taxes too, so a sort of little justification. For the girls which have not been registered it will be a change, a good one in that perspective that at least they will be able to have things like health-insurance, councelling from the "government" and so on. A negative change in that perspective that they will be paying some sort of taxes, but off course not 50% of their revenues..[/QUOTE]Obviously we all know that the kind of respectful mongers are still getting the same service as before even better because the girls do it less often, all the girls will not move to Switzerland (awful working conditions) or Austria which remains to be a small country compare to Germany. Is it a problem that some girls will leave no it is far better for them to build a new life, just one simply question: will we accept that our own daughter will work in a FKK and get reported by some respectfulness mongers who still have children? If our answer is no shouldn t we consider strongly about our own behavior?

Are they doing raids on independent girls working in apartments? I was checking on some independent girls for appointments but their phone seems to be dead and does not ring nor go to voicemail. What is the legal status of girls who just post an ad and rent an apartment outside the FKK industry? I have good luck with some of them in the past but now it seems not able to reach them on the phone.