Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1744296]
Having said this, I have (at least in the past, meaning a few years ago) had a session or two where I did get two shots (I can't remember whether I offered a tip for it) although that was not the norm (and on at least one occasion I had the papa-san pre-negotiate it for me).[/QUOTE]For many years soapies were my favorite venues. Quality and selection of fishbowl pretty good, most places were full 2 hrs, 2 shots, girls friendly and all for B2000. And tip of 300 standard for me. Back then the oilies were far and few.

However as others have written, the landscape has dramatically changed. Soapies added the sideliners, premium pricing and 1 shot, 90 minutes. Quality and selection of sidelines are good but service no longer assured. Just the way things have changed.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1744592]the landscape has dramatically changed. [/QUOTE]It certainly has. 4 or 5 years ago my favorite Oily was Angel Massage. They had nice girls and service was good and always included 2 shots in 90 or 120 minutes. The last time I went there was either 2011 or 2010. I took a good looking girl upstairs and she gave me a very good shag. Afterwards as we were cuddling and kissing, I suggested we take another shower so we would be ready for jam #2. She smiled and said, "only one boom boom per session". I was stunned and I didn't take her seriously so accustomed was I to the two shot session. So instead of negotiating or anything, I just laughed and said something like OK darling, don't kid me. We go boom boom one more time now. But she politely refused so I changed my tactics a little and suggested we take a shower together figuring I would seduce her with whatever it took in the shower. But no, as I started to soap up her ta ta's, she moved away and declined my advances. So I let her just clean me up and then I met her back on the bed.

We still had around 25 minutes left on the clock so I asked her what she wanted to do if not boom boom. She offered to give me another massage. I let her start to massage my back, but as I lay there I became frustrated and a little mad so after no more than 5 minutes I ended the session and began to get dressed. The girl was nonplussed. From her point of view she had done nothing wrong and had provided good service. Looking back I have to agree with her. The problem at the time was my ignorance of the policy change. No one told me! LOL. So I paid my tab downstairs at the counter which was around 2000 bt and change, but I did not tip her. She was still acting amenable and friendly like there was nothing wrong. As I was leaving, she stuck a lollipop in my mouth and asked me to come back to see her sometime. But I never went back to Angel Massage. I guess I took the session protocol change real personal and I never forgave that shop, my favorite oily at the time, for the much larger Paradigm Shift affecting all of BKK. In the meantime, the scene was changing in many ways with a lot of new shops opening up in the proximate neighborhood, some like Mango offering porn star service with multiple shags. Things change. I wonder how many other customers Angel lost that year.

Anyway, the bottom line is I am thinking it is probably long overdue that I go back and check out Angel again, if I can find the time. From their website it looks like they might have a few girls worth shagging. Who knows?

[URL]http://www.angelbangkok26.com/en/gallery.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=====*****man;1744397]If you don't know the difference between the words offer and get then who is the moron?[/QUOTE]Young man I used to tell my children the problem with the first lie is you have to keep lying and fudging what you really meant to weasel your way out of that first lie. I made it very clear from the beginning of this asinine argument the reason I am pissed off at you is because you are creating the false expectation that half the time without asking for it you will be offered a BBBJ at Nataree. Offered versus got. F**k you. It makes no damn difference. You are telling people they have a 50-50 chance of walking into Nataree and getting a BBBJ if they accept the offer. And by implication if the girl reaches for a condom by saying you want a BBBJ perhaps your odds of getting one will be better than 50-50. Whether they accept it or turn it down is irrelevant, idiot.

Perhaps if you are East Asian, a really good looking young guy fluent in Thai who has totally charmed the young lady by the time you are in the room or once in a while if you are lucky enough to pick the right girl you will be offered a BBBJ. And perhaps you are a really good looking young guy who is fluent in Thai; or maybe you have to compensate for something by telling tall tales; but for the average farang guy being offered a BBBJ at Nataree is unlikely.

Once upon a time the point of this forum was to share mongering experiences around the world, to pass on useful information and answer other mongers questions. That no longer seems to be the case. Now most posts seem to be arguing about tipping, how too many people overpay and ruin the market, that the quality of the girls has declined, that Bangkok sucks, or how great the girls are at the shop that hired you to promote it; oh and to claim a girl who got a good recommendation in a report is not worth seeing so you can discourage others from booking her because you found she was indeed very good. And here I am wasting forum space arguing with you. Frankly, had I stumbled upon this forum in the last year or so rather than several years ago I would have thought it a waste of time and never gone back. In fact it has reached the point I ask myself, why do I still bother wasting my time here? I'm recalling a discussion I had with a fellow a couple of years ago. He lamented that eventually the good contributors get feed up and stop writing reports. I've been thinking more and more about his comment over the past few months. He said that 2 years ago. I wonder what it was like 4 years ago; and what it will be like in another 2 years. By the way, I am not claiming to be one of the good contributors. Others can read my reports and decide for themselves.

I spent the better part of May and the beginning of June in Bangkok and had enough interesting experiences for a dozen or more informative field reports. I can not motivate myself to write them. Finally I decided to write about a visit to Nataree, because after many visits (I've been visiting Bangkok for going on 20 years) during which neither I nor any of my friends, some of whom live in Bangkok, had ever been offered a BBBJ at Nataree I finally got one. And I wanted to share how it happened. By the way since this stupid argument began I sent emails to a few of these friends about being offered a BBBJ at Nataree. All said it had never happened to them.

Hell! F**k it! Okay all you newcomers to ISG who are looking for information about the soapies along Ratchada, *man is right. Go to Nataree for your BBBJs. Your odds of being offered one are as good as getting an odd number on a roll of a dice. And don't waste your money tipping people when they offer you a little extra help.

Thankfully, in six months Bangkok will be my home base for leisure travels in East and Southeast Asia; and I will have plenty of time to discover what I need to know for myself. No city is perfect, I've lived in plenty, but Bangkok has a lot to offer and it is filled with many wonderful ladies, a few of whom I am lucky enough to meet on every trip.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1744605]It certainly has. 4 or 5 years ago my favorite Oily was Angel Massage. They had nice girls and service was good and always included 2 shots in 90 or 120 minutes. The last time I went there was either 2011 or 2010. I took a good looking girl upstairs and she gave me a very good shag. Afterwards as we were cuddling and kissing, I suggested we take another shower so we would be ready for jam #2. She smiled and said, "only one boom boom per session". I was stunned and I didn't take her seriously so accustomed was I to the two shot session. So instead of negotiating or anything, I just laughed and said something like OK darling, don't kid me. We go boom boom one more time now. But she politely refused so I changed my tactics a little and suggested we take a shower together figuring I would seduce her with whatever it took in the shower. But no, as I started to soap up her ta ta's, she moved away and declined my advances. So I let her just clean me up and then I met her back on the bed.

We still had around 25 minutes left on the clock so I asked her what she wanted to do if not boom boom. She offered to give me another massage. I let her start to massage my back, but as I lay there I became frustrated and a little mad so after no more than 5 minutes I ended the session and began to get dressed. The girl was nonplussed. From her point of view she had done nothing wrong and had provided good service. Looking back I have to agree with her. The problem at the time was my ignorance of the policy change. No one told me! LOL. So I paid my tab downstairs at the counter which was around 2000 bt and change, but I did not tip her. She was still acting amenable and friendly like there was nothing wrong. As I was leaving, she stuck a lollipop in my mouth and asked me to come back to see her sometime. But I never went back to Angel Massage. I guess I took the session protocol change real personal and I never forgave that shop, my favorite oily at the time, for the much larger Paradigm Shift affecting all of BKK. In the meantime, the scene was changing in many ways with a lot of new shops opening up in the proximate neighborhood, some like Mango offering porn star service with multiple shags. Things change. I wonder how many other customers Angel lost that year.

Anyway, the bottom line is I am thinking it is probably long overdue that I go back and check out Angel again, if I can find the time. From their website it looks like they might have a few girls worth shagging. Who knows?

[URL]http://www.angelbangkok26.com/en/gallery.html[/URL][/QUOTE]555!!

I was just thinking about that place NB! This is the very place where I busted my Thailand Cherry my first trip out to LOS in 2008. Lovely experience! Ended up repeating with another girl and even taking her out LT. Great memories!

I've been meaning to check the place out but I spend most of my time in Pattaya these days.

Maybe my next trip? I fly out in 3 weeks and will spend a month in Patts. I want to get to BKK to do a little shopping so maybe I will stop by for an afternoon delight.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1744738]Young man I used to tell my children the problem with the first lie is you have to keep lying and fudging what you really meant to weasel your way out of that first lie. I made it very clear from the beginning of this asinine argument the reason I am pissed off at you is because you are creating the false expectation that half the time without asking for it you will be offered a BBBJ at Nataree. Offered versus got. F**k you. It makes no damn difference. You are telling people they have a 50-50 chance of walking into Nataree and getting a BBBJ if they accept the offer. And by implication if the girl reaches for a condom by saying you want a BBBJ perhaps your odds of getting one will be better than 50-50. Whether they accept it or turn it down is irrelevant, idiot.

Perhaps if you are East Asian, a really good looking young guy fluent in Thai who has totally charmed the young lady by the time you are in the room or once in a while if you are lucky enough to pick the right girl you will be offered a BBBJ. And perhaps you are a really good looking young guy who is fluent in Thai; or maybe you have to compensate for something by telling tall tales; but for the average farang guy being offered a BBBJ at Nataree is unlikely.

Once upon a time the point of this forum was to share mongering experiences around the world, to pass on useful information and answer other mongers questions. That no longer seems to be the case. Now most posts seem to be arguing about tipping, how too many people overpay and ruin the market, that the quality of the girls has declined, that Bangkok sucks, or how great the girls are at the shop that hired you to promote it; oh and to claim a girl who got a good recommendation in a report is not worth seeing so you can discourage others from booking her because you found she was indeed very good. And here I am wasting forum space arguing with you. Frankly, had I stumbled upon this forum in the last year or so rather than several years ago I would have thought it a waste of time and never gone back. In fact it has reached the point I ask myself, why do I still bother wasting my time here? I'm recalling a discussion I had with a fellow a couple of years ago. He lamented that eventually the good contributors get feed up and stop writing reports. I've been thinking more and more about his comment over the past few months. He said that 2 years ago. I wonder what it was like 4 years ago; and what it will be like in another 2 years. By the way, I am not claiming to be one of the good contributors. Others can read my reports and decide for themselves.

I spent the better part of May and the beginning of June in Bangkok and had enough interesting experiences for a dozen or more informative field reports. I can not motivate myself to write them. Finally I decided to write about a visit to Nataree, because after many visits (I've been visiting Bangkok for going on 20 years) during which neither I nor any of my friends, some of whom live in Bangkok, had ever been offered a BBBJ at Nataree I finally got one. And I wanted to share how it happened. By the way since this stupid argument began I sent emails to a few of these friends about being offered a BBBJ at Nataree. All said it had never happened to them.

Hell! F**k it! Okay all you newcomers to ISG who are looking for information about the soapies along Ratchada, *man is right. Go to Nataree for your BBBJs. Your odds of being offered one are as good as getting an odd number on a roll of a dice. And don't waste your money tipping people when they offer you a little extra help.

Thankfully, in six months Bangkok will be my home base for leisure travels in East and Southeast Asia; and I will have plenty of time to discover what I need to know for myself. No city is perfect, I've lived in plenty, but Bangkok has a lot to offer and it is filled with many wonderful ladies, a few of whom I am lucky enough to meet on every trip.[/QUOTE]Paul, well stated. I thought moaning and bitching was confined to the Bangkok report forum. Now it has reached the Oilies Forum as well.

Seems to me that for one constructive report there are a dozen of useless arguments and newbies that cannot be bothered to RTFF.

I have given up writing reports because there are none of value in return and if anything as you know, too much information given got me into hot water with the girls because some idiots here on the forum that misconstrue the information and abuse it.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1744738]Young man I used to tell my children the problem with the first lie is you have to keep lying and fudging what you really meant to weasel your way out of that first lie. I made it very clear from the beginning of this asinine argument the reason I am pissed off at you is because you are creating the false expectation that half the time without asking for it you will be offered a BBBJ at Nataree. Offered versus got. F**k you. It makes no damn difference. You are telling people they have a 50-50 chance of walking into Nataree and getting a BBBJ if they accept the offer. And by implication if the girl reaches for a condom by saying you want a BBBJ perhaps your odds of getting one will be better than 50-50. Whether they accept it or turn it down is irrelevant, idiot.

Perhaps if you are East Asian, a really good looking young guy fluent in Thai who has totally charmed the young lady by the time you are in the room or once in a while if you are lucky enough to pick the right girl you will be offered a BBBJ. And perhaps you are a really good looking young guy who is fluent in Thai; or maybe you have to compensate for something by telling tall tales; but for the average farang guy being offered a BBBJ at Nataree is unlikely...[/QUOTE]Just for clarification, can we get a bit more of a definition of terms on this issue re Nataree and perhaps other soapys? By "BBBJ" are we merely talking about oral foreplay before a condom is slipped on for whatever follows that leads to a finish? Or are we talking about BBBJ to completion or, better yet, to a cum in mouth finish? I know there are specific abbreviations for these terms, like BBBJ CIM (Bare Back BJ with Cum In Mouth) and BBBJTC (Bare Back BJ To Completion). But I have noticed the term BBBJ is bandied about on many of these message boards as though it is one or the other of those activities, when more often than not it is neither.

So, when someone says they were "offered a BBBJ", I immediately think they are talking about a BBBJ that finishes more or less orally, and is not merely oral foreplay. Would a girl at Nataree actually stop what she is doing during the course of foreplay, massaging, cuddling, kissing the chest or whatever and then "offer" to engage in mere oral foreplay with or without a condom, up to the customer? My god, are they really so formal and, worse, formulaic in Nataree?

On the other hand, I could see a soapy provider (or a papasan) asking a customer if he wanted a BJ instead of FS and that leading to a more specific question or offer of "with" or "without" a condom.

I suppose this is as much if not more a question for *man as it is for you, Paul Kausch. So I would be interested in his input on this too.

As for the difference between "offering" and "getting" a BBBJ at Nataree is concerned (in my case, a BBBJ CIM), I can attest to the fact that there was a HUGE difference between the two the one and only time I visited Nataree a few years ago. LOL. I asked the papasan which girl would provide a BBBJ CIM during the massage, he pointed to a couple of attractive young girls, I chose one and there was not a BBBJ CIM to be had in that room. I said, "the papasan said you would do that for me. " Her response was the all purpose "No can. " It would take a lot of convincing and a whole new set of house rules in Nataree for me to set foot in that place again. I am all for honoring a girl's wish not to do whatever the hell she doesn't want to do. But I hate being lied to about it from her or from a papasan / mamasan.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1744777]
Seems to me that for one constructive report there are a dozen of useless arguments and newbies that cannot be bothered to RTFF.

[/QUOTE]Well said. Some months I posted that it seemed to me that 'reports' were either one line questions or one line comments but thre were very few REPORTS.

Seems to me that too many can't be bothered to go through a year's posts to gather information before asking / commenting on another post.

Aye. There are far too few. The main reason I check this forum is to see about any new places or nymphos out there. To see if they seem interesting enough for me to visit or not.

Unfortunately, my own written reports have been few as I don't monger so much these days (concentrating more on working out and lifting) and, usually, when I do monger it's with a few regulars whom I've already written about so there's no point in writing reports about the same girls over and over again.

I am trying to put up a post whenever I monger somewhere but I just fail to put any energy in it.

Maybe it's because of the feeling that I'm saying nothing that has not been said before but what really puts me down is the reactions I sometimes get from people in my inbox.

I had a fun session in Nairobi and wrote a report on it, even stating that I can't go out of my hotel for security reasons and that I had to set up my dates online. And yes apparently I paid the girl 3 x as much as normally is the case when you get a girl from a bar. You would not believe the flak I got from other punters, this really puts me off and ever since my reports have become less and less. I'm not on these boards to be called names by other guys that I don't even know or know me.

This forum has helped me a lot in my first years of mongering, but I'm at a point now where I don't need it anymore and know my way around most places I visit. Still I feel obligated to write in whenever I find something new or can tell a funny story. But when I get pm's that my reports are too long or that there was nothing in there worth reading, or this forum is solely meant for p4 p and not for freebie fucks, I just lose interest in going here anymore.

And for anyone that also feel this is not a forum for freebies, the point is getting laid right?? I always provide the information where I found my freebie. 99% of the time I don't write any freebie report because there is nothing new to tell. Sites like DIA or Thaifriendly are well known so I don't write about it but if I find a freebie in a way that I never hear anyone else speak off I think it's worthwhile mentioning.

I feel we need to be more respectful and less demanding or trying to lay down the law just because they feel the forum should be how they want it to be (of course I'm not talking about the forum rules). Although the newbies are a pain and the bullshitting and boasting should stop.

On Nataree though: I can only say that my first time there was terrific, I did actually get a BBBJ, not two shots though. The two times after where not that great, covered BJ and poor service compared to the massage shops. I'm at a point of not going there anymore if it wasn't for the gorgeous girls I see there everytime.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1744853]
Maybe it's because of the feeling that I'm saying nothing that has not been said before but what really puts me down is the reactions I sometimes get from people in my inbox.
.... You would not believe the flak I got from other punters, this really puts me off and ever since my reports have become less and less. I'm not on these boards to be called names by other guys that I don't even know or know me.

And for anyone that also feel this is not a forum for freebies, the point is getting laid right?? [/QUOTE]

Well said. Yep, it's not LOS that has gone downhill, it's ISG. POV.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1744744]
I was just thinking about that place (Angel Massage) NB! This is the very place where I busted my Thailand Cherry my first trip out to LOS in 2008. Lovely experience! Ended up repeating with another girl and even taking her out LT. Great memories!

I've been meaning to check the place out but I spend most of my time in Pattaya these days.

Maybe my next trip? I fly out in 3 weeks and will spend a month in Patts. I want to get to BKK to do a little shopping so maybe I will stop by for an afternoon delight.[/QUOTE]Have a great trip Uncle V. I know you will. Pat in the rainy season can't be beat. NO TOURISTS! It's too bad our orbits are not going to cross this season because I think it would have been fun to hit I-Bar / Insomnia together.

Let me know how it went if you decide to check out Angel again. We all remember where our cherries got busted. For me, it was in Queens Castle, Patpong 1 back in '89. Rock and' Roll was still played in the Go Go's and pussy was hairy. I remember the girls dancing appropriately enough to "Honky Tonk Woman". I had a memorable time.

"She tried to take me upstairs for a ride
She had to heave me right across her shoulder
'Cause I just can't seem to drink you off my mind"

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1744912] We all remember where our cherries got busted. [/QUOTE]1977, at old Darling, Patpong across from Dusit Thani. Worse MP experience of my life but thank god made up for it the next day at MP that my host took me to. They had to call us after 2+ hrs to finish!

My cherry got popped at Baron around Thonglor in about February of 2005. The famous Saeng was the provider and I still cringe when I remember how many times she had to tell me to 'relax' - total newbie at that point, but I learned quickly! Nestle and some other superstars from the (most recent) good old days followed after that and I'm still finding ways to have a blast.

I must agree with some of the folks who have posted recently about the lack of useful information (not just in this particular section of the forum). It gets a bit tedious wading through arguments and pissing contests when I'm really just looking for some up-to-date information. I try to post when I have memorable experiences (all too infrequent lately) and I don't think it's a bad thing to re-confirm information that is already 'known'. We all know that the scene can change on a dime, so sometimes just a post saying that the status quo is still in effect isn't such a bad thing.

Regardless, I hope the zeitgeist of this board has not been irrevocably changed. There are so many different experiences to share and so much aggregate useful knowledge that I really hope we can all just get along!

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1744853]I had a fun session in Nairobi and wrote a report on it, even stating that I can't go out of my hotel for security reasons and that I had to set up my dates online. And yes apparently I paid the girl 3 x as much as normally is the case when you get a girl from a bar. You would not believe the flak I got from other punters, this really puts me off and ever since my reports have become less and less. I'm not on these boards to be called names by other guys that I don't even know or know me......
I feel we need to be more respectful and less demanding or trying to lay down the law just because they feel the forum should be how they want it to be (of course I'm not talking about the forum rules). Although the newbies are a pain and the bullshitting and boasting should stop.
[/QUOTE]Most people who give others flak on this board are people who scout ISG seeking to do just that. You will see them posting in many different countries most or all of which they have not visited. I suspect they are either people with physical or mental health issues or cannot afford to travel. It is best to ignore them.

This forum was great years ago and it's still great. There's a wealth of information about different MPs and providers. There's always been newbies asking basic questions and discussions about tipping that never really get anywhere. If that's so bad for you that you need to start abusing other posters then you clearly need to take some time off from the forum. One thing's for sure, calling others posters liar, moron and telling them to f* o** isn't adding anything to the forum. Nor are the long, tedious rants about a golden age that never was.