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You could have something there Wander Luster. The only way you'll find out if it works is to actually put the plan into action. I know the Thai men are always interested in beautiful light skinned foreign women. But pussy is pussy. If it looks great in one country, then it'll probably look great to the men in another country. They went crazy over my Korean wife (ex) years back. You would probably have to worry about the local mafia/strongmen becoming aware of what your doing. I don't think they would take too kindly to being cut-out of the profits as you move in on their turf.

Always on the Quest

Yella Man




[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.

A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.

He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.

He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.

Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.

You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.

Thanks mates!

Ok, whatch-all think.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.

A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.

He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.

He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.

Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.

You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.

Thanks mates!

Ok, whatch-all think.[/QUOTE]

I think your problem would be is that you could be seen as a procurer and that is generally quashed in most countries. That is why the barfined system is used, is it not?

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.

A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.

He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.

He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.

Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.

You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.

Thanks mates!

Ok, whatch-all think.[/QUOTE]



That advice from one who has lived, worked and of course mongered in Thailand. There are, in fact, a number of westerners in this "business". Some of them are Russians (read mobsters) who pimp blond women to Asian men. I knew of some Nigerians who, along with running golden triangle drugs, were supplying top quality girls to police and officials as "payment" to look the other way, Asians and Blonds/redheads. What all this means is there are westerners who are doing this and they are not the "friendly business atmosphere" types nor do they like competition. They are boy scouts compared to the Thai syndicates that have a lock on such matters. So you would be doing this at your own peril.

Technically, prostitution in Thailand is ILLEGAL, just as it is in the Phils. You would be fracturing all kinds of international laws about "trafficking" the U.N is on a crusade about. YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT OR RATTED OUT as That is Thailand and you can expect the BKK police to take a hefty share, or, if working with any of the aforementioned bad guys they will enact a "Thai solution". You might get away with it if you kept it to a small circle of clients whom you trust with girls whom you trust (Yeah right).

Personally, I would go with a bar in Pattaya or go down to Phuket and
see if you can rent a place and work out it out of there, I lived in Phuket for awhile and ran a small boat service, considered buying a resturaunt and having a few girls work for me, hefty payoffs to police but they are not as bad as the BKK bandits with badges. big hassel IMHO.

Think about doing the same in Hong Kong or better yet Macau with all the gambling places opening up.

Be careful out there

Regards

Spamhog

Agree with SH, You HOPE the police or NGOs get you before the Russian mobsters. LOTS of guys have had delusions of funding their mongering lifestyle by working in the sex industry but very few succeed. Just like drugs, where there is big money there is also big danger.

I wish you luck, but be VERY careful.

Good or not the info I post is straight on. I will tell you no one guy here has all the right info. The place is up to the guy driving the car, the girl, the boat. Each experence here is a little different. Just like people, you never get the same anywhere.

I would like to say spend your own money and time here and make your own decision about this country. You will be the judge and jury after you live it here more than a week.

Bar fines, need I say anything more than it's a wonderful thing. You will find there are differences in service in the gals. I had a bf last week 7-8 is the right total number. The thing is only 1 was worth the repete session. She was wonderful and got compensated 2000-p for her performance thats a tip. She did everything she said she would do and she was great. She was happy, passionate, loving a great gf experence. The others went out of the bar layed down did the deal and wanted to go home. Thats what I am saying you never know what you get when you get the smiling gal from the bar. They all want the cash but often times do not want to give us what we are paying for.

I would also like to say 85% of the bf gals are hands down better than the ones at home gf or not. We pay 300 plus dollars per hour at home and they just barely get the job done most of the time. Could be I have stayed here too long complaning about bad service for 25 dollars for the whole night. Could be that all I am looking for is good service and simply doing at the hotel they said they would do. Thats all I don't ask for anything more than just what is agreed on prior to the deal. Asking too much? I don't think so, Just getting what I am paying for.

One gal got a great tip and some others got trike money thats the difference in me, thats the difference in them.

FACTS 101.

You can get a gal good or bad anywhere here. The service is all in what you as the customer wants. You and I both know what we want so you work your own deals. The gals all get half the price of the bf without a tip in the morning when they go home. I have found that a good tip 10-20 us is a shoe in fore a repete performance. No tip is a not a sure thing for a second time. Ladies drinks get you conversation with the perspective honey and I allways ask the questions about what I want for the night. If they agree they get the night out and dinner and vip treatment by me. Please know that the gal gets 50-p and the bar 100-p for each ladies dring we buy. I generaly ask before I buy a drink if she wants a bf and if no gets on drink or only one. No bar or gal will make us buy a drink before the gal goes bf thats a fact. Remember that after you get the gal for bf you need to check the bill for what you are paying for drink prices. The price for adrink is then a local price not a ladies drink. This meens you and the gal drink the same as what joe blow pays off the street. I would like to say that for safety reasons meening service safety, I after the bf would go directly to the hotel for service. If the service is good then go bar hopping or to dinner with your one pop out of the way. Many times they want the barhop first and after they ae drunk the service is bad or none at all.

I am giving my pearls here and if you all get some helpful tips here ok if not thats ok also. After all you all know what you can and do spend so you be the judge if you are prepared to spend the long dollar or get to the point as cheep as possable.

B. B.

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Bill B, you summed it all up man - 100%! All the world over, people are different and each experience varies to some degree from the previous one, and there is no such thing as a free lunch! Bargirls or not, if you treat them well and tip or pay reasonably, it will come back to you with bonuses as a great GFE. If you treat them bad or are extra cheap, you have only yourself to blame if the night is not to your liking.

Enjoy your insights Bill! Keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Pete

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]That advice from one who has lived, worked and of course mongered in Thailand. There are, in fact, a number of westerners in this "business". Some of them are Russians (read mobsters) who pimp blond women to Asian men. I knew of some Nigerians who, along with running golden triangle drugs, were supplying top quality girls to police and officials as "payment" to look the other way, Asians and Blonds/redheads. What all this means is there are westerners who are doing this and they are not the "friendly business atmosphere" types nor do they like competition. They are boy scouts compared to the Thai syndicates that have a lock on such matters. So you would be doing this at your own peril.

Technically, prostitution in Thailand is ILLEGAL, just as it is in the Phils. You would be fracturing all kinds of international laws about "trafficking" the U.N is on a crusade about. YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT OR RATTED OUT as That is Thailand and you can expect the BKK police to take a hefty share, or, if working with any of the aforementioned bad guys they will enact a "Thai solution". You might get away with it if you kept it to a small circle of clients whom you trust with girls whom you trust (Yeah right).

Personally, I would go with a bar in Pattaya or go down to Phuket and
see if you can rent a place and work out it out of there, I lived in Phuket for awhile and ran a small boat service, considered buying a resturaunt and having a few girls work for me, hefty payoffs to police but they are not as bad as the BKK bandits with badges. big hassel IMHO.

Think about doing the same in Hong Kong or better yet Macau with all the gambling places opening up.

Be careful out there

Regards

Spamhog[/QUOTE]


The key with this is Trust. Any number of people on here could do something like what I propose. But it's true that if you have nasty guys on the fringes that could do bad to you and it could be twisted so that you are "trafficking" when that is not quit what I have in mind, then this is just a BAD idea.

Then their is of course trust with a paying guy. There is trust with girls from the Phils.

I'm a risk taker, not doing well financially right now, but not will to be stupid for money and fun. If I grew up in poverty, and was desperate for money, this risk might be more conceivable. But part of the point is that I don't look like a drug trafficer or a guy from Africa involved in shady trade. And I do look educated and am someone that's held good jobs. I can "fit in" with guys that are willing to pay big bucks for the best of the best right at their doorstep-- in a hotel bar.

The only way I could see this working is:
I do not handle money from a guy. He can pay a girl in a room. BUT when she gives me money then I'm part of a transaction. That seems like a problem! There is not much I have to trust her for if I know her in the Phils enough to know her family. I don't think she would stiff me too easily if I ask for a portion of the money upon return. Then there is the chance that a girl tries to turn against me and makes up some story. But it would be my word against hers. She wouldn't do it in BKK-- it's more foreign to her than to me.

As far as someone that I introduce to a fabulous babe from the Phils, I think I would have to make it clear that the person is just a traveling companion and I am no more or less (which is not exactly true). What is my obligation to the girls so if the guy is a Psycho I can help them out? Maybe she can text me if she's in a really bad situation and I am just the traveling friend that comes to be whatever help I can. And he would know that he really should behave him self because these girls deserve it (my attitude in general with ANY P2P situation).

BKK is such a big place. If I make trips there with 3 girls for 3 weeks at a time, and I DON'T have regular costumers for them who could start telling "bad guys" in the city about me and I DON't frequent the same places, well maybe then it's safe-ish.

The only reason I even think of BKK first is that it SEEMS most lax with it's P2P, but I don't know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes there. In Cebu, for example, if you are caught (and it usually happens from the guys you DON"T pay off who come down from Manila and the Federal this or that law agency) you will be in jail for a VERY long time. By "caught" I'm thinking of Mama Sans who I know of who are or were going to be sentenced to massive jail terms, but I think all bar owners know enough to pretent they know nothing of any of the girls working for them doing P2P. They would never let themselves be drawn in as "conected". My guess is they can say a "bar fine" is not for sex.

Singapore? I don't want to guess the penalty. Hong Kong, again I have no idea what the Chinese would do if they decide you have indeed been involved in P2P.

But when I was in BKK not too long ago, it seemed that freelancers were everywhere and not at all concerned about the cops. So if that's the case, and I am merely acting as a friend introducing them ...and they later ask for money...well that's why BKK seemed logical.

I would never invest in a bar. Everyone is doing that, and this has advantages that bars don't.

More advice, even just for arguments sake...appreciated.

I sometimes get email messages from someone who is doing something similar to what you mention here. I delete the mail, but if you PM me with your email address, I'll forward it to you the next time it comes.

X


[QUOTE=Wander Luster]
guys that are willing to pay big bucks for the best of the best right at their doorstep-- in a hotel bar.

The only way I could see this working is:
I do not handle money from a guy. He can pay a girl in a room. BUT when she gives me money then I'm part of a transaction.
[/QUOTE]

Hi Guys,

Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.

Could anyone tell me if

1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?

2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?

Hope someone can help.

Thanks,

Jon

[QUOTE=Johnny Wynne]Hi Guys,

Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.

Could anyone tell me if

1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?

2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?

Hope someone can help.

Thanks,

Jon[/QUOTE]Hi Johnny,

I am sorry but there isn't much action in Boracay. I just came back from Boracay 20 days ago. I strongly suggest you to bring a girl from Manila.

[QUOTE=Johnny Wynne]Hi Guys,

Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.

Could anyone tell me if

1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?

2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?

Hope someone can help.

Thanks,

Jon[/QUOTE]

No Girlie Bars, just pick up places. The girls I have seen are not up to par, bring your own.

Don't stay at expensive place to impress the girl. She should be happy just getting to go. Don't stay directly on beach, but a little off. Trust me. Try Cocomangas, it is fine. You can usually get room for 1500 pesos. Nice garden atmosphere. Romantic in a Robinson Caruso type way. Read other post on these subjects.

Remember guys the real law here states prostitution is illegal here in the whole country as it is not in other countries. Just keep that in mind when you involve a third party in a transaction here you never know who is who. Or one better who is related to who, you anin't in Kansas anymore, Dorathy.

[QUOTE=Henderson]Although I would add that we are all the same regardless of nationality and, to a large degree, sex.

Sometimes we seem different but thats due to experiences and environment. If you grow up in the west you have it easier and don't have to hustle much if you don't want to. if you grow up in Asia, you don't have so many safety nets so do have to hustle more to survive.

The guys who complain about the girls they meet; how would YOU behave if you were that girl? How would YOU behave if you were treated as a cheap ***** just to be used?

If YOU were a girl from the provinces of PI, with not much education and with your looks and sex being possibly your greatest assets what would YOU do? Be all meek and just accept your poor situation hoping to meet that knight in shining armour? We all know he doesn't exist!

Hustling is just a part of life. If you're a salesman, have your own business, are self-employed, are trying to scale the corporate ladder, etc. don't you hustle as well?? Does that make you a bad person?

Being wise is essential but being cynical is not.

Expect the worse from someone and they will probably prove you right. Expect the best and they might just justify that expectation.

In my business, when someone thinks I'm hustling them I will get every cent I can from them. Otherwise I'm very fair.

Too many people go around with the attitude that they are victims and are just waiting to be proved right. They don't remember the years of fun and happiness thay got from a marriage but only remember now the messy divorce. And if there were no years of fun and happiness, then you were just acting as a victim and deserve all you got.[/QUOTE]This post brings up a good point about service. I have never had bad pussy here and that is not what I am saying. The thing is after how many hundreds barfines you tend to get picky about what you want from the provider. Not kinkey sex just a good night out. When you interview the gal in the bar and ask her if she will stay all night fuck 2-3 times and be nice, you want what you asked about, and what she agreed to do thats all. You wine and dine and treat the little thing as you would a babby and then when the door closes in the room you get the "I don't want! I have a headache or what ever else they think up.

Please remember they are working in the bar to make money! For what ever the reason. As a business person they have to think smart thats why some gals have money and some do not its the thought process. Bad service always ends up with a fuck or two but good service is a night and a gal you wou would be happy to do over and over. Or even tell a friend about and knowing she will do what she said and not take his gold teeth when he is sleeping.

You do everything you say and they, "not all" do nothing they say they will do for us. This is a problem here now in high season not like when there are no foreign guys here. They want the cash and a tip for express service. It is a hazard that we all have to work with here. They will try, and some win, but when you get a gal that will stay the night smile laugh and give great service you reward her! With a good tip and are happy to see her again. And she will want to see aryone of us again because she knows who did what they said also.

Play straight with them and SOME NOT ALL will make the A-LIST and the others give them trike money and smile at them when you see them the next time. After all they made there bed let them lay in it.

I say give him a medal!

A bigger problem: newbies comes around, asks a bunch of questions, apparently go on their vacation, and then never make any kind of followup posts. So much for sharing....

X

[QUOTE=Guinness]Chronic posters have a tendency to dominate the forum discussions and inhibit the diverse opinions of other ISG members. For example: Surfer has posted over 40+ times in the first week of February alone. And if you look at his history, he often times posts over 10 times in the same day. Over the last few weeks, Surfer has expressed his expert opinion in the following 9 forums: Western Africa, The Philippines, Thailand, Ecuador, Peru, Indonesia, Tijuana, Nicaragua and Columbia. Seems a bit stifling to me...

Guinness[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johnny Wynne]Hi Guys,

Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.

Could anyone tell me if

1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?

2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?

Hope someone can help.

Thanks,

Jon[/QUOTE]I did a couple of posts on Boracay back in June/July under "Other areas" I think. I would bring my own, other than that you find your own Clara Belle in cocomangas shooters bar at night, not very much selection...but.... Also check out the red coconut hotel or cocomangas resort (Native huts with AC/TV etc.)


Spamhog