Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Canyon;1745814]Syzgies:

I don't think I'm exaggerating about the photos on the website. They are much more beautiful than any of the similar sites. However, you may be right (and probably are) that they are not as good-looking in real life, as they are in the photos. In any case, even if the photos are enhanced, they still seem to be the best-looking ones I've seen in the other places. That's why I posted-to see if the photos were close to reality or not. I would appreciate any comments from patrons of All Stars in terms of the looks of the ladies. In any case, I plan to try All Stars when I'm in BKK in August and I'll report back.

Canyon.[/QUOTE]I would say 3 of the girls look quite okay When you check out their un-photo-shopped pics, by drilling down. But not really stunning. It is not easy to compare to other sites since some don't have any non-photo-shopped pics. Comparing the normal pic with other sites I don't see anything so exceptional.

Best way is to go there at a good time of day, and just go into all of the shops on Soi 24/1 and also SW and also Mango and others around there and see which place really has a super looker of any type, for your taste. Next problem is the gamble. You haven't seen her with gear off yet.

I am happy to look for very beautiful girls in bars like Crazy House, because I get to see them dance for a while under bright lights. I get to see the entire body naked. I can call over 2 or 3 prospective girls for a drink and see if I like the personality. Then I still have to gamble on her abilities and willingness to let herself go, and of course I get no pornstars for sure.

Success rate is 50% for okay Session and less for great session, but at least I am getting the looks I require.

If the looks are really so-so, I lack the motivation. The simple reason is have managed to experience some really great looking girls with great performances else where, so I can't compromise my looks requirements much. Girl must have either great face or great body, and preferably both if possible. I can't do an ugly face at all nor even an ordinary one. Has to be well above average.

In the end we all have to take gambles, and if works well, collect a new regular girl.

I have not been with a really stunning Oily girl since Bai-Fern at Yorimichi, must be about 2 years ago or so, and she was great fun too. She did not last there long. Stunning ones are not easy to find. There was also Angie at Cherry (if I got the name right). Only got the 1 session before she disappeared.

[QUOTE=Devinn38;1746915]Does anyone know if outcall can be arranged from Nataree? Nataree does not have a website. I have RTFF and also done a search but can find nothing. Any information would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]With Soapy girls they are not generally allowed to meet customers outside work (officially). Contract girls at Nataree may be closely guarded by the pimps. At soapies, once you know a girl well, she my be willing to meet you secretly outside for an all night private booking. Assuming you can communicate of course. I have certainly done that with several soapy girls in the recent to distant past. I can speak Thai though so that helps.

Normally you should be content with fucking her on the premises unless you are considering getting into a relationship. I don't see a great need for outcall unless you want the girl all night or want to take her on holidays, and then private secret arrangements are better (providing she does not get caught).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1747805]With Soapy girls they are not generally allowed to meet customers outside work (officially). Contract girls at Nataree may be closely guarded by the pimps. At soapies, once you know a girl well, she my be willing to meet you secretly outside for an all night private booking. Assuming you can communicate of course. I have certainly done that with several soapy girls in the recent to distant past. I can speak Thai though so that helps.

Normally you should be content with fucking her on the premises unless you are considering getting into a relationship. I don't see a great need for outcall unless you want the girl all night or want to take her on holidays, and then private secret arrangements are better (providing she does not get caught).[/QUOTE]Syzgies,

Thank you for this helpful information. I owe you and all other BM's a debt of gratitude for the collected knowledge of the BKK scene. Presently I am in Bangkok enjoying my first visit.

As to the Nataree question, last Monday I chose a 4 K sideliner with an absolutely beautiful face. Classic beauty that could easily find a home as the cover girl on any international fashion magazine. The body looked very good clothed. I was hoping for the rare double dip: face and body at the highest level. In the room when the bath was drawn and the massage completed, she removed her towel. I was breathless and speechless. I have seen bodies like hers in photos from Helmut Newton and other similar high fashion / art photographers. But never have I seen a body like that nude, beckoning me to join her in the warm bath. Needless to say, I hurried back for more. Today I was able to schedule our second encounter by using my phone, Line and Google translate. I wrote messages to her using Google translate. You can then choose to send the translated message via various social media including Line, email etc. I had gotten her Line I. The. During our first meeting so I simply set up a private chat and sent messages that arrived for her in Thai. The only catch is when she replied her messages arrived in Thai. I am not yet capable in her language. Also, when using my phone, I'm not able to cut and paste from the Line message into Google translate. I was able to rely on my driver's assistance this morning and after he departed I got a bartender at the hotel to help. It all worked out perfectly and she was waiting for me this afternoon when I arrived exactly at our scheduled time.

Sunday night I have a special event planned. Since a date would be expected, I asked her to accompany me to the event and spend the night at my hotel. She readily agreed. My only concern now is your comment re: "the pimps". I know nothing of that world and I have no desire to get involved. Any additional information you might be able to offer would be welcomed. I'm for a little adventure as long as the Yakuza is never involved.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Devinn38;1747942] Today I was able to schedule our second encounter by using my phone, Line and Google translate. I wrote messages to her using Google translate. You can then choose to send the translated message via various social media including Line, email etc. I had gotten her Line I. The. During our first meeting so I simply set up a private chat and sent messages that arrived for her in Thai. The only catch is when she replied her messages arrived in Thai. I am not yet capable in her language. Also, when using my phone, I'm not able to cut and paste from the Line message into Google translate. I was able to rely on my driver's assistance this morning and after he departed I got a bartender at the hotel to help. It all worked out perfectly and she was waiting for me this afternoon when I arrived exactly at our scheduled time.

Sunday night I have a special event planned. Since a date would be expected, I asked her to accompany me to the event and spend the night at my hotel. She readily agreed. My only concern now is your comment re: "the pimps". I know nothing of that world and I have no desire to get involved. Any additional information you might be able to offer would be welcomed. I'm for a little adventure as long as the Yakuza is never involved.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I use Thai language on LINE app, because I can type Thai, but I would not recommend Google Translate, it does a lousy job. I use English to all girls that have any English, as its much easier. I suggest you would be better to use English unless she cannot find any trustworthy friend to help her with English. You getting someone who speaks Thai to help is the other option which you used already.

Most Thai girls do not message me in Thai, other than ones that have almost zero English. If your girl has zero English, then don't know how well your dates will go. However I have a buddy from Canada who eventually married a girl he met in a Soapy, and now has kids, and initially she had zero English and he had zero Thai. I believe he met her in a Hat Yai Soapy MP. So anything is possible. She was motivated to learn English quickly after they met. LOL.

Warning. She may be stunning but come with various problems. Do your best to enjoy without falling badly for her. It takes a very long time before you really know a Thai girl's character deeply. Many will be looking for a sucker to get them out of a massive debt that has landed them in Nataree in the first place. I don't say every girl in Nataree is bad, but a large percentage are effectively slaves under a contract problem and owned by some pimp / manager. Its not exactly the most ideal place to meet a girl. I don't really know what dangers both you and her will face, as I never took up with a girl under a massive debt problem. Perhaps I did a long time ago. Two girls I met from Mona Lisa seemed to have severe restrictions on when they could safely meet me and where. Probably had a contracts and were supposed to stay/live in some location with other contracted girls. I only met these girls once or twice. Memory fades. Very long time ago. If she isn't a slave under some contract debt, she may well have a fancy Thai boy living off her. He will guard what he "owns" too. So go carefully. Just pay her for her time and service to start with. You will have to work out what is fair. If she needs to borrow a lot of money from you, best forget it, you won't get it back. Guaranteed. Many girls will very quickly get around to ask you for help with the rent, medical problems, etc.

I have met Soapy girls outside the club on several occasions. Sometimes something lasted several years. Sometimes I got bored with her character very quickly and moved on. One girl from 23 years ago, I can still contact, but she is not right for me. Initially I fell for her a bit, but she had far too many boyfriends and picked some other guy. Now she wants me back. Ha Ha. Its far too late now.

I have never hooked up with a Nataree girl, purely because never met one good enough. Maybe you did better.

I know of a bar girl in Suzi Wong that has a car and apartment paid for by a Farang guy, yet she still works the bar. She has a Thai boy on the sly who is on drugs, and bashes her if she doesn't supply him with money. Why did she hook up with that Thai boy? Who knows? She isn't even pretty and has an ugly body to my taste with sillies. Somehow some Farangs like her. No idea why. She can do as she pleases while her support Farang is away. This is not relevant, but I just want you to be clear that many Thai girls are very tricky. Not all. Some are very honest too. It will be a lot harder to find those in Nataree. Imagine the worst with your girl, be sceptical, and if I am proven wrong, and she is really in a better circumstance, that will be a bonus.

The more money you give a girl, the less likely you are to see her again very soon, except when she is looking for more money. If you pay for service too far in advance, the service will evaporate. These are the golden rules. Hard but true.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1748240] Perhaps I did a long time ago. Two girls I met from Mona Lisa seemed to have severe restrictions on when they could safely meet me and where. Probably had a contracts and were supposed to stay/live in some location with other contracted girls. I only met these girls once or twice. Memory fades. Very long time ago. If she isn't a slave under some contract debt, she may well have a fancy Thai boy living off her. He will guard what he "owns" too. So go carefully. Just pay her for her time and service to start with. You will have to work out what is fair. If she needs to borrow a lot of money from you, best forget it, you won't get it back. Guaranteed. Many girls will very quickly get around to ask you for help with the rent, medical problems, etc.

I have met Soapy girls outside the club on several occasions. Sometimes something lasted several years. Sometimes I got bored with her character very quickly and moved on. One girl from 23 years ago, I can still contact, but she is not right for me. Initially I fell for her a bit, but she had far too many boyfriends and picked some other guy. Now she wants me back. Ha Ha. Its far too late now.

I have never hooked up with a Nataree girl, purely because never met one good enough. Maybe you did better.

I know of a bar girl in Suzi Wong that has a car and apartment paid for by a Farang guy, yet she still works the bar. She has a Thai boy on the sly who is on drugs, and bashes her if she doesn't supply him with money. Why did she hook up with that Thai boy? Who knows? She isn't even pretty and has an ugly body to my taste with sillies. Somehow some Farangs like her. No idea why. She can do as she pleases while her support Farang is away. This is not relevant, but I just want you to be clear that many Thai girls are very tricky. Not all. Some are very honest too. It will be a lot harder to find those in Nataree. Imagine the worst with your girl, be sceptical, and if I am proven wrong, and she is really in a better circumstance, that will be a bonus.

The more money you give a girl, the less likely you are to see her again very soon, except when she is looking for more money. If you pay for service too far in advance, the service will evaporate. These are the golden rules. Hard but true.[/QUOTE]As you have said there are some places that may still have the indentured servant type contract but they are few and far between. I would argue most foreigners never meet a girl under such conditions. Most of the time if a girl gives you a bunch of excuses as to why she can't meet you outside of work it's because she isn't interested and would rather you just come to see her at work and be a cash cow that she doesn't need to go above and beyond with.

The old way of pimps controlling girls work lives and free time is long gone. It isn't a viable business method in the Bangkok of today. The police and military aren't that inept. All these girls have cellphones with the instant ability to record video and voice, take photos and call the police or family. There is no getting around that issue unless the girls are literally chained in a basement.

I'm young and speak Thai and have been out with girls from a multitude of establishments and it's quite simple. If she likes you she'll go. If she thinks you'll make it worth her while financially she'll go. If she doesn't feel like one those requirements are met then she will give you an excuse that's crafted in such a way that you won't feel rejected. This is were all the work excuses come from.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1748265]As you have said there are some places that may still have the indentured servant type contract but they are few and far between. I would argue most foreigners never meet a girl under such conditions. Most of the time if a girl gives you a bunch of excuses as to why she can't meet you outside of work it's because she isn't interested and would rather you just come to see her at work and be a cash cow that she doesn't need to go above and beyond with.

The old way of pimps controlling girls work lives and free time is long gone. It isn't a viable business method in the Bangkok of today. The police and military aren't that inept. All these girls have cellphones with the instant ability to record video and voice, take photos and call the police or family. There is no getting around that issue unless the girls are literally chained in a basement.

[/QUOTE]Yes but Nataree is one of them. I have had conversations with Nataree girls in the room (I speak Thai well for 15 years now) in the past and they told me they were on contract. Yes they can lie, but I got a pretty consistent story that I am not hearing from other Soapies. Don't make assumptions about Nataree unless you know the workings of this place in great detail. No they are not chained to the basement. I have not been much to Nataree for last 2 years, but I doubt it has changed much.

Why do you think Nataree has so many young girls from the North? Why do the girls have run if there is a Police raid? Debt Contracts of Nataree girls is a well known thing. We are not generalising here. We are talking specifically about Nataree.

The standard scenario is girl or family initially receive a significant amount of money to get them out of a severe financial problem, and girl does not actually receive much from her part of the session fee. It goes to the debt Manager. Other girls may be just paying some guy significant money to provide her with food and accommodation in Bangkok and transport to and from work. She is in agreement with these arrangements mostly. What percentage of girls at Nataree are actually free to go and work at any place they please?

I don't know if all the non Thai girls have been forced out and all the girls in the other problem category that can't be mentioned here, since I have not attended recently.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1748285]Yes but Nataree is one of them. I have had conversations with Nataree girls in the room (I speak Thai well for 15 years now) in the past and they told me they were on contract. Yes they can lie, but I got a pretty consistent story that I am not hearing from other Soapies.
Why do you think Nataree has so many young girls from the North? Why do the girls have run if there is a Police raid? Debt Contracts of Nataree girls is a well known thing. We are not generalising here. We are talking specifically about Nataree.
What percentage of girls at Nataree are actually free to go and work at any place they please?[/QUOTE]Why would a Debt Manager only apparently choose Nataree to send his girls? If she is paying the debt herself, then any soapy would do. Perhaps Nataree management is the only one willing to collect the money for them and contol the girls' movements. Or perhaps Nataree is the Debt Manager itself and that is how it recruits girls.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1748265]As you have said there are some places that may still have the indentured servant type contract but they are few and far between.[/QUOTE]This happens everywhere in the world, even in Europe, so why would Thailand be an exception? It probbaly happens more in countries where prostitution is forbidden as the WG has to "buy" so-called protection to be able to work to redeem her debt.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1745814]Syzgies:

I don't think I'm exaggerating about the photos on the website. They are much more beautiful than any of the similar sites. However, you may be right (and probably are) that they are not as good-looking in real life, as they are in the photos. In any case, even if the photos are enhanced, they still seem to be the best-looking ones I've seen in the other places. That's why I posted-to see if the photos were close to reality or not. I would appreciate any comments from patrons of All Stars in terms of the looks of the ladies. In any case, I plan to try All Stars when I'm in BKK in August and I'll report back.

Canyon.[/QUOTE]Based on unphotoshopped pics, I could potentially try New, Cherry, or Nadia. The rest probably not, but a few have no normal pic to judge properly from. I have been with Rose several times, so I know how she looks. Not exactly stunning but okay.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1748448]Based on unphotoshopped pics, I could potentially try New, Cherry, or Nadia. The rest probably not, but a few have no normal pic to judge properly from. I have been with Rose several times, so I know how she looks. Not exactly stunning but okay.[/QUOTE]Canyon,

I can't figure if you're asking for general advise or personal only, anyway here's my 5 eurocents:

Rose: Very different from the photos, and she joked about it herself when I visited her (I saw her twice). IMO in reality she's quite a beautie, her face is more roundish, like many Thais with Chinese mixed genes. She's from Chiang Mai, and might have that. She intelligent, likes to talk, and knows a lot about the world. My favorite among the All Stars girls I visited recently.

Cherry: Slight resemblance with photos. She's from Issan. Contrary to the info, she doesn't speak much English, basically no English at all, just so you know. She offered me duo-pop, maybe because my first pop was a little hmm fast. So she gave me a BBBJ in the exit shower as well. I would not see her again though, due to the lack of English.

Ning: Like the photos, but more beautiful in real!! She's from Bangkok, more petite than she looks in the photos. Cute decorative braces. And she's wild in the sack!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1748285]Yes but Nataree is one of them. I have had conversations with Nataree girls in the room (I speak Thai well for 15 years now) in the past and they told me they were on contract. Yes they can lie, but I got a pretty consistent story that I am not hearing from other Soapies. Don't make assumptions about Nataree unless you know the workings of this place in great detail. No they are not chained to the basement. I have not been much to Nataree for last 2 years, but I doubt it has changed much.

Why do you think Nataree has so many young girls from the North? Why do the girls have run if there is a Police raid? Debt Contracts of Nataree girls is a well known thing. We are not generalising here. We are talking specifically about Nataree.

The standard scenario is girl or family initially receive a significant amount of money to get them out of a severe financial problem, and girl does not actually receive much from her part of the session fee. It goes to the debt Manager. Other girls may be just paying some guy significant money to provide her with food and accommodation in Bangkok and transport to and from work. She is in agreement with these arrangements mostly. What percentage of girls at Nataree are actually free to go and work at any place they please?

I don't know if all the non Thai girls have been forced out and all the girls in the other problem category that can't be mentioned here, since I have not attended recently.[/QUOTE]I'm well aware of the up-front payment for that the girls get but, being in debt is not the same as having your every movement controlled. A girl's debt situation is irrelevant to whether or not she will see you outside of work, which is what my post was about. Not allowing a girl freedom of movement does nothing to guarantee repayment of a debt. In fact it would probably push the girl to leave if the work environment is too oppressive. This goes back to statement about cell phones and such. In the past you could realistically keep a girl in the dark about what's going on around her but not anymore. Too much easily accessible information and too easy to contact family, friends or the authorities if something is not on the up and up.

I am very much familiar with Nataree and I also speak, read and write Thai to the point that all my conversations with Thai girls on Line are written in Thai so there are no misunderstandings on my end or faulty translations. I have no doubt that the girls give you a similar story about having contracts because they do have contracts to repay a debt. That contract does not extend to their freedom of movement however. I have at least three Nataree girls currently in my contacts right now, who knows how many I deleted. Only one lives alone. The other two live with other Nataree girls. All three come and go as they please if they aren't working. This has been the norm for every girl that I've ever met there and some of them gave me the same "can't meet outside work" spiel that you're so familiar with. That has always changed on the second visit to "call me at this time" or "on this day when I'm free".

As far as your direct questions:

1. What percentage of girls at Nataree are actually free to go and work at any place they please?

Difficult to calculate a percentage but in short, if they have a contract and a debt to repay then going to work somewhere else is difficult but, not because the mafia will kill their families or something silly like that. It's because selling ass is the only way most of those girls could ever make enough money to pay back the significant debts they have raised.

2. Why do you think Nataree has so many young girls from the North?

The owners are appealing to Asian customers mainly and you need poor families to in order to entice with an upfront payment. Isan has poor families but the owners (wrongly) assume that girls from Isan are ugly. So that's a no. The south isn't as poor as Isan but girls on average still have relatively darker skin. So that's a no. The deep south is muslim. So that's a no. Bangkok girls are more well off. So that's a no. That leaves you with the north where girls are relatively poor but with whiter skin that appeals to Asian customers. With that said, I regularly meet girls there who are from other parts of Thailand but they lie about where they are from to keep up the allure. I knew girls from Nakhon Sawan and Korat that worked there but both would say Chiang Mai if anyone asked. As far as the age, of course the girls are young because guys like young girls. If tastes shifted and 30 year olds became all the rage then they would properly adjust their business methods.

3. Why do the girls have run if there is a Police raid?

The main reason they run is because they are working inside of business known for prostitution which is illegal in Thailand(ostensibly). They don't want to be arrested or have their pictures splashed on the news. Other reasons they run could be money or drugs. I know girls that have had their money stolen by the police during raids and also girls that had drugs and were busted during a rather routine police walk through. Some of the girls could also no yet be 18 and they run to save the owners as much as much as themselves. Last but not least, I have seen police raids all over Thailand in all types of businesses and for the most part everyone runs because the police corrupt. If the business is raided then you can almost guarantee that whether everything was legit or not, the police will still be taking some tea money from anyone they can. People want to avoid that.

I recently read a post from Goatscrot about how hard it has become to find really good looking SW.

Well I think you should try Meena in Mango, she is in the same class as Angie (who I managed to screw only one time too.), not as beautiful but really in the same league (which means almost an alien to the usual PSE SW).

Meena offers good service, willing attitude, especially the CIM or COF (what a pleasure to jizz on her beautiful face or shoot directly in her throat). No anal though but with a girl like that I don't need that extra kinky stuff to be horny as a dog for the whole session!

Anyways I wouldn't usually share that because of all the dogs lurking on ISG (me included) but I recently engaged in a business venture that doesn't leave me much time anymore for the P4P scene and I have a feeling Meena won't stay too long until some sugar daddy arrives.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Devinn38;1747942]Syzgies,

Thank you for this helpful information. I owe you and all other BM's a debt of gratitude for the collected knowledge of the BKK scene. Presently I am in Bangkok enjoying my first visit.

As to the Nataree question, last Monday I chose a 4 K sideliner with an absolutely beautiful face. Classic beauty that could easily find a home as the cover girl on any international fashion magazine. The body looked very good clothed. I was hoping for the rare double dip: face and body at the highest level. In the room when the bath was drawn and the massage completed, she removed her towel. I was breathless and speechless. I have seen bodies like hers in photos from Helmut Newton and other similar high fashion / art photographers. But never have I seen a body like that nude, beckoning me to join her in the warm bath. Needless to say, I hurried back for more. Today I was able to schedule our second encounter by using my phone, Line and Google translate. I wrote messages to her using Google translate. You can then choose to send the translated message via various social media including Line, email etc. I had gotten her Line I. The. During our first meeting so I simply set up a private chat and sent messages that arrived for her in Thai. The only catch is when she replied her messages arrived in Thai. I am not yet capable in her language. Also, when using my phone, I'm not able to cut and paste from the Line message into Google translate. I was able to rely on my driver's assistance this morning and after he departed I got a bartender at the hotel to help. It all worked out perfectly and she was waiting for me this afternoon when I arrived exactly at our scheduled time.

Sunday night I have a special event planned. Since a date would be expected, I asked her to accompany me to the event and spend the night at my hotel. She readily agreed. My only concern now is your comment re: "the pimps". I know nothing of that world and I have no desire to get involved. Any additional information you might be able to offer would be welcomed. I'm for a little adventure as long as the Yakuza is never involved.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the most delightful 19 year old beauty I sessioned with in Nataree last week (4000 B). Beautiful face and immaculate skin. I did what I very rarely do and invited her to meet me at an external venue to which she did not respond. I left it alone thinking that girl like that and myself walking in public will attract too much attention even though its Bangkok. She was a genuine 19 yr old.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1748624]Reminds me of the most delightful 19 year old beauty I sessioned with in Nataree last week (4000 B). Beautiful face and immaculate skin. I did what I very rarely do and invited her to meet me at an external venue to which she did not respond. I left it alone thinking that girl like that and myself walking in public will attract too much attention even though its Bangkok. She was a genuine 19 yr old.[/QUOTE]I had a similar and marvelous session with a 2600bht young lass with extra large tits who spoke decent English. She told me she didn't go to hotels even though it was right across the street and I think she was not on a debt contract. I won't soon forget that fabulous tit massage she gave me in the tub.

[QUOTE=RyosaeBabkk;1748587]I recently read a post from Goatscrot about how hard it has become to find really good looking SW.

Well I think you should try Meena in Mango, she is in the same class as Angie (who I managed to screw only one time too.), not as beautiful but really in the same league (which means almost an alien to the usual PSE SW).

Meena offers good service, willing attitude, especially the CIM or COF (what a pleasure to jizz on her beautiful face or shoot directly in her throat). No anal though but with a girl like that I don't need that extra kinky stuff to be horny as a dog for the whole session!

Anyways I wouldn't usually share that because of all the dogs lurking on ISG (me included) but I recently engaged in a business venture that doesn't leave me much time anymore for the P4P scene and I have a feeling Meena won't stay too long until some sugar daddy arrives.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Glowing review. Will have to take a punt on that one! Gracias.