Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Bart1;1441579]Good day. Does anybody recognize the location in the foto?[/QUOTE]Amarna________

[QUOTE=Lmarcone;1441647]Amarna________[/QUOTE]I haven't visited Amarna but the bench in the foto is similar to some I have seen in love hotels. Does anyone know if rooms are available at Amarna?

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777; 1441387]Look at the quality of buildings and apartments they put up. New construction with crack all over the place, sinks not sealed into the granite; just placed there, how many times have you had a shower or faucet knob turn right off into your hand? Look at the movies for god sakes. One line to order then go wait in another line to pick in up? Total lack of efficiency and that is the plan they use on a busy Saturday night? They turn a 15 min process into a 30-40 ordeal! This is just one example, take the time to flash back to your own experiences and you'll come up with two or three easily I'm sure. Try to think of the "What the hell are they doing or is going on!" Feeling and there you go. You'll remember the feeling better than the actual experience.

I also visit much more than most mongers (3ish times a year 2 weeks or more each time) as I have REAL friends down there and a girlfriend. This makes me privy to their experiences and having to help my girl with her stuff (paying bills and living life. Short time or infrequent visitors don't see this side of the Medellin x Colombia). With this "everyday life" experience you see the ineptitude of Colombian business and operation.

Once money get involved all bets are off. No put intended. Money makes a man do strange things and in Colombia it makes people crazy because it's so hard to get a head. Being that it is so difficult and opportunities so hard to come by (or IMO for the Colombians to see) that they live in "Fear". Fear of losing what little they already have. The old adage "Penny smart and Pound Foolish" perfectly describes Colombia in a Work x Business context. Not a everyday sit at Parque Lleras waiting for your hooker to show up to have a nice meal way.

It comes down to this: In America and the rest of the "Developed" world Time is SUPER important and is held in that light. In Colombia all they see is the peso. They have all the time in the world so Money is SUPER important to them. It is a ideological difference that is glaring and frustrating to those who know the simple truth; You can make more money, you can't make more time![/QUOTE]What Slam has written pretty much sums up the culture and attitude in Colombia. There is simply no respect for someone else's time. In business, attempts are made to renegotiate an agreement more often than an NFL player. An "offer" and "acceptance" means little, you're always having to deal with new terms, and this attitude extends to almost everything, including multi-million dollar contracts. The only other cultural difference that comes to mind is that once you do something for a Paisa, it is immediately forgotten. That contribution is "in the past" and as Slam wrote, they're off to the next concern because the immediate need is all they think about. Very frustrating for someone who is accustomed to expect folks to do what they say they're going to do.

Only good energy, notwithstanding the insanity there.

These are words of wisdom coming from a man that has lived in Colombia for 10 years now. No else on this forum has the experience in Colombia like Aussie Greg!

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg; 1440935]Damn AG, have you nothing good to say about Colombians?

A. G. Yes, property values going up and the development of Poblado. No, not much.

There are no good Colombians?

A. G. I guess there are, haven't met too many. They are like apples, sooner or later, they turn bad.

Are there no honest Colombians?

A. G. I guess there are but in my industry, not many good Colombians.

I like to go somewhere like a Juan Valdes coffee shop, stand in line and then drop a 50, 000 peso note at my feet, and then watch the Colombians reaction! !

Who do you hang out with?

A. G. Nobody, I do my own thing, I don't need people around me. After spending over 10 years here, not much gets me going anymore.

11 years in Colombia and you have Colombian friends?

A. G. Mmmmmm no, only people I say hello to, then I don't mean it, I just say it to be polite. There arn't any Colombians that I would ask out to dinner, not even my three girlfriends. They just come over, we have sex and then they go home to there boyfriends and I get a good night sleep without farting in bed with them!

If a Colombian girl is attractive and she says she doesn't have a boyfriend, she lying! They all have boyfriends, they like to make you special so you give them more money and gifts!

I'm not giving you crap, these are real questions.

A. G. No mate, I hope I've done my best to answer your questions.

A. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg; 1440935]If a Colombian girl is attractive and she says she doesn't have a boyfriend, she lying! They all have boyfriends, they like to make you special so you give them more money and gifts![/QUOTE]Very very true statement and very few exceptions, especially with the non pros. If you're a gringo and you excpect your girl to be loyal, don't count on it. Colombian women don't stay alone for too long. And NEVER trust her family, since they will lie and cover up for her. They are loyal to a fault with their family members.

So the best thing for us gringos? Play the same game. As A. G. Mentioned, he has 3 girlfriends, and then they go home to their boyfirends, and meanwhile probably have a few other gringos sending them money also.

Some exceptions exist, but very few. Made my first trip to Colombia in 1990, and have made close to 100 trips since, with many, many girlfriends, an ex wife. Very fluent in Spanish. No matter how others paint it, Aussie Greg is spot on.

I had a Colombian owned business as a client here in the States. Had to finally kick him to the curb after 6 years of doing business with him. He was a lying cheat who brought his Colombian business "ethics" to the States. He is getting a very bad reputation in my city within his industry.

I've never had a Colombian pay back a "prestamo" (loan) and have been burned in several real estate deals in Colombia Thank God I'm smarter now.

Do I still go to Colombia and have fun, yes, but I play by my rules, not theirs. Wish I would have known years ago. You Colombian defenders will learn the hard way someday.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1442118]The only other cultural difference that comes to mind is that once you do something for a Paisa, it is immediately forgotten. That contribution is "in the past" and as Slam wrote, they're off to the next concern because the immediate need is all they think about.[/QUOTE]Hell, that describes half the h0es, ex-girlfriends, and family members I've dealt with in the US!

i know i'm going to take a lot of heat for this post, so i apologize if i offend anyone in advance. i was wondering if any of you have actually fathered children with your colombian girlfriends and what is that experience like if you're an ex-pat?

i haven't gone mongering yet, but now that i'm in my early 30's i've come to the conclusion that i've never been a big believer in marriage. i always feel pressure from my family and society to get married, but i've always enjoyed being with different women. it feels more natural to my personality and even though i live in white suburbia, i am more attracted to hispanic women. i've learned a lot by reading this forum and picked up some great information by the posters on this board. this is really the only place that i could even confide such thoughts.

i'm single with no kids and very financially stable thanks to my career. i'm going to be retiring in my late 30's. i know i'm supposed to feel ashamed for thinking this way, but i feel like tying myself down to one woman is a waste when i could have many in a country like colombia considering my circumstances. i've had this growing desire to father children with multiple different women. i could buy them a houses in a safe neighborhoods, pay for schooling, food, medical expenses, etc. i am financially capable of caring for multiple families at the same time, but morally it might be difficult, because i won't physically be there for them all the time.

i also don't want to do this in the states, because i've seen how the court systems [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] fathers in this country. i don't know how the court system is in colombia, but i can't imagine its as bad. it's like my brain is constantly battling between instinct and logic. i guess that's what makes us human.

anyways, am i evil for thinking this way considering my circumstances?

[quote=extrana144; 1442308]i know i'm going to take a lot of heat for this post, so i apologize if i offend anyone in advance. i was wondering if any of you have actually fathered children with your colombian girlfriends and what is that experience like if you're an ex-pat?

i haven't gone mongering yet, but now that i'm in my early 30's i've come to the conclusion that i've never been a big believer in marriage. i always feel pressure from my family and society to get married, but i've always enjoyed being with different women. it feels more natural to my personality and even though i live in white suburbia, i am more attracted to hispanic women. i've learned a lot by reading this forum and picked up some great information by the posters on this board. this is really the only place that i could even confide such thoughts.

i'm single with no kids and very financially stable thanks to my career. i'm going to be retiring in my late 30's. i know i'm supposed to feel ashamed for thinking this way, but i feel like tying myself down to one woman is a waste when i could have many in a country like colombia considering my circumstances. i've had this growing desire to father children with multiple different women. i could buy them a houses in a safe neighborhoods, pay for schooling, food, medical expenses, etc. i am financially capable of caring for multiple families at the same time, but morally it might be difficult, because i won't physically be there for them all the time.

i also don't want to do this in the states, because i've seen how the court systems [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] fathers in this country. i don't know how the court system is in colombia, but i can't imagine its as bad. it's like my brain is constantly battling between instinct and logic. i guess that's what makes us human.

anyways, am i evil for thinking this way considering my circumstances?[/quote]i have some friends who would be more than happy to help you out, they need a place to live, groceries, have loose morals and would be more than happy to help you out on the physical part of you not being there all the time.

[QUOTE=Pana Nyc;1442150]These are words of wisdom coming from a man that has lived in Colombia for 10 years now. No else on this forum has the experience in Colombia like Aussie Greg![/QUOTE]Hey Pana NYC did you get a free t-shirt for writing your post?

[quote=extrana144; 1442308]i know i'm going to take a lot of heat for this post, so i apologize if i offend anyone in advance. i was wondering if any of you have actually fathered children with your colombian girlfriends and what is that experience like if you're an ex-pat?

i haven't gone mongering yet, but now that i'm in my early 30's i've come to the conclusion that i've never been a big believer in marriage. i always feel pressure from my family and society to get married, but i've always enjoyed being with different women. it feels more natural to my personality and even though i live in white suburbia, i am more attracted to hispanic women. i've learned a lot by reading this forum and picked up some great information by the posters on this board. this is really the only place that i could even confide such thoughts.

i'm single with no kids and very financially stable thanks to my career. i'm going to be retiring in my late 30's. i know i'm supposed to feel ashamed for thinking this way, but i feel like tying myself down to one woman is a waste when i could have many in a country like colombia considering my circumstances. i've had this growing desire to father children with multiple different women. i could buy them a houses in a safe neighborhoods, pay for schooling, food, medical expenses, etc. i am financially capable of caring for multiple families at the same time, but morally it might be difficult, because i won't physically be there for them all the time.

i also don't want to do this in the states, because i've seen how the court systems [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] fathers in this country. i don't know how the court system is in colombia, but i can't imagine its as bad. it's like my brain is constantly battling between instinct and logic. i guess that's what makes us human.

anyways, am i evil for thinking this way considering my circumstances?[/quote]i'm pretty sure today is july 4th and not april 1st...

[QUOTE=Bart1;1442390]Hey Pana NYC did you get a free t-shirt for writing your post?[/QUOTE]Possibly a chance to touch the hem of the Aussie's garment:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKADAdCwpYI[/url]

[QUOTE=Extrana144; 1442308]I am financially capable of caring for multiple families at the same time, but morally it might be difficult, because I won't physically be there for them all the time.

Anyways, am I evil for thinking this way considering my circumstances?[/QUOTE]Jajajaja what a funny post, but no, your not evil, considering that there are many men that do everything you mentioned (get into multiple relationships, and make multiple children) and don't be there physically, or economically, at least your admitting you would economically provide for them. My 2 cents, if you have the resources to do so it would be more prudent and rewarding and gratifying if you could just adopt children and care for them economically as oppose to bringing new children to this world.

[QUOTE=Extrana144; 1442308]I know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this post, so I apologize if I offend anyone in advance. I was wondering if any of you have actually fathered children with your Colombian girlfriends and what is that experience like if you're an ex-pat?

I haven't gone mongering yet, but now that I'm in my early 30's I've come to the conclusion that I've never been a big believer in marriage. I always feel pressure from my family and society to get married, but I've always enjoyed being with different women. It feels more natural to my personality and even though I live in white suburbia, I am more attracted to hispanic women. I've learned a lot by reading this forum and picked up some great information by the posters on this board. This is really the only place that I could even confide such thoughts...[/QUOTE]Dude pay the $20 and get PM's. Or can you get PM's? I see only one post so I presume you can't. Forgive me if you can. And feel free to PM me.

I applaud your first post for SO many reasons! I think we have a bunch in common.

The "Norm" isn't always for everybody. I've learned that a long time ago. I have been single for most of my adult life and it only bugs me when I go to weddings where there are 0 or few single women or other "couples" events. One can't help but to feel like a loser. I'm just starting my best earnings empire so you got me there; a blessing to be able to retire in your late 30"s (Please PM me with a step by step "How I did it" please" jajjaja)

DUDE? Instincts vs Logic? Both bro! It's up to you! Life is a beautiful and amazing thing if you let it be. You worked hard, made your stack, now get yours son! Getting to your question. DO IT! If you want to make babies with a bunch of Colombia girls Hellz yes! Like Nike logo style. Do it! I've been coming down for almost 4 years. I make my own hours so I visit more than most but less then some. I also like to think I'm a bit more observant than most the selfish, self centered, cheap pussy hunting, abuelo gringos that live and visit here. That being said the one observation that is obvious is that Colombian dude's have 0 honor and take 0 responsibility in raising the kids! Most girls I know get pregnant early and have one or two kids, the dad turns into a ghost and is usually NOT in the child's life in ANY form. No love, no support, no money. I've been told there are laws but how would they enforce them? Most these guys live in people's back rooms or with other girl friends; try serving him with papers. Plus the Gov is just trying to keep the Narco stuff under wraps to promote foreign investment and tourism so they have no time or care to case around a TON of dead beat dads.

That being said. If you were to find a girl you liked, put a baby in her (you'd have to convince her that you were some form of Novios) , and ACTUALLY took care of her and the Kid? You shitting me? You'd be THE MOST popular and famous guy in Colombia! The Colombians' would line up and pay $500 pesos a pop to see the man "That Actually Supports His Children"!

If you are honest with the girl up front and she cool with it, then what more could you do? She'll be doubtful at first once you tell her yo'll take care of her but if you do take care of her and be a Father to your child. Well sir by my definition you will be a "Real Man". Now if you want to have several Baby Mama. That up to you! Please keep in mind a life lesson I've learned a long time ago; There is no greater mistake a man could make than to have the WRONG woman have his kids. Think on it.

Keep in mind you going to get the "Haters" stepping up with all the "She's playing you, She got another boy friend, She a hooker behind your back. It ain't your baby, ect, ect". I hope it shows in my posts that I'm both Book & Street smart and it's my observation is "What the Hell these Haters x Loser Know?"

Most guys on this board and that live in Medellin (NOT all. My respect to the "down ass homies". There are some very cool and informed Mongers here on line and down in country. But the balance is leaning to the Clowns & Chumps camp) The bio for most (not all) the chumps: Dudes worked for 40 years at some crap company or ran some crap business, retired, and are now on a fixed income. Moved to Medellin and think they're the "man" because they bought a condo and pay a 20 year old to fuck them twice a week. Pay these dudes no mind. They couldn't get laid when they were in college or after so they are just a bunch of insecure dudes. They are haters by definition. You can see it for yourself in their post history. Jealousy in simple non hip hop infused language.

NOTE: If any of ya'll take offense to the above description. I feel sorry for you son. Truth hurts and before you start a flame battle with me know this: I'm still dating & fucking beautiful 20-30 year old chicks in America. If you ain't or never have. Don't step to me son!

You do what you feel is right with the girl it feels right with!

Sounds wise and good advice.

[QUOTE=Nino Bravo; 1442170]Very very true statement and very few exceptions, especially with the non pros. If you're a gringo and you excpect your girl to be loyal, don't count on it. Colombian women don't stay alone for too long. And NEVER trust her family, since they will lie and cover up for her. They are loyal to a fault with their family members.

So the best thing for us gringos? Play the same game. As A. G. Mentioned, he has 3 girlfriends, and then they go home to their boyfirends, and meanwhile probably have a few other gringos sending them money also.

Some exceptions exist, but very few. Made my first trip to Colombia in 1990, and have made close to 100 trips since, with many, many girlfriends, an ex wife. Very fluent in Spanish. No matter how others paint it, Aussie Greg is spot on.

I had a Colombian owned business as a client here in the States. Had to finally kick him to the curb after 6 years of doing business with him. He was a lying cheat who brought his Colombian business "ethics" to the States. He is getting a very bad reputation in my city within his industry.

I've never had a Colombian pay back a "prestamo" (loan) and have been burned in several real estate deals in Colombia Thank God I'm smarter now.

Do I still go to Colombia and have fun, yes, but I play by my rules, not theirs. Wish I would have known years ago. You Colombian defenders will learn the hard way someday.[/QUOTE]

Come on guys! Because you all were stupid and let the Colombians take advantage of it, they are the bad ones. You know to what kind of country you were going (third world) , but you let your vanity got tickled by them and when you got back to reality you start to whine. Eight years ago I had my house in Medellin renovated. Coming from a 3rd country myself I sensed that I had to supervise the whole process personally. And I've got it my way, at my price.

So stop exposing your stupidity by telling what had happened thanks to your being a daft!