Kyiv

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373687]I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.[/QUOTE]On the way back from Tixi Omut Strip club (Thank you QT for the tip) I asked my young taxi driver out of curiosity if there were any prostitutes on the streets in Kiev? He drove to a Wide dark Street away from the centre, forgot the name. Looked dodgy like anywhere else in Europe or the US.

Ask a young Taxi Driver on the Night shift and he will take you there. .

You have been Warned.

Once I met an Attractive young girl whom I thought gave me a nice smile walking along Krischatick daytime, I just went up to her and we started chatting. Spoke very good English and I thought bingo.

Offered to show me how to use the Metro, went with her to shooters, Katyn monument, other place.

She really got angry when the fucking taxi driver told her in Russian that I asked him to me to Roxolana Massage later on in the night. It turned out she really wasn't a Prostitute.

Didn't drink or liked to go to clubs or come back to my room. And when she left me she turned round and said " I am not a Prostitute ". I really felt sorry for her. But I was hoping she was a Prostitute or a semi.

I posted on her here back in Nov 2009.

AColonizer you are a sick fuck but I like your style.

Climaxnow and Irish Lad, you input is very interesting. While it sounds like the percentage of the population willing to engage in a sponsor type situation is high, what difference do you see between this and a "sugar daddy" situation?

I really like the idea of picking up "freebies" and even sponsorettes, but what do you think about overall cost? I mean, I can find a girl on mamba that will do all night for 2500 UAH. If I take a sponsorette shopping, might I expect to spend more? Or is shopping typically less expensive? Do you normally fuck a girl before shopping happens?

I am sorta kidding here, wanting to spur discussion, but I am curious on how much cash you guys might lay down in a typical week to keep your beds full of the "freebies" you pull? I know the sex is probably MUCH better than with pros, but what of the actual cost?

I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February. I could get a lot of P4P with that. Assuming I have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?

[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1373700] His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. [/QUOTE]
I'd love some details on how that conversation goes. ;-)

Your thoughts are encouraged.

-YPL

[quote=yummypl; 1373923]acolonizer you are a sick fuck but i like your style.

climaxnow and irish lad, you input is very interesting. while it sounds like the percentage of the population willing to engage in a sponsor type situation is high, what difference do you see between this and a "sugar daddy" situation?

i really like the idea of picking up "freebies" and even sponsorettes, but what do you think about overall cost? i mean, i can find a girl on mamba that will do all night for 2500 uah. if i take a sponsorette shopping, might i expect to spend more? or is shopping typically less expensive? do you normally fuck a girl before shopping happens?

i am sorta kidding here, wanting to spur discussion, but i am curious on how much cash you guys might lay down in a typical week to keep your beds full of the "freebies" you pull? i know the sex is probably much better than with pros, but what of the actual cost?

i am budgeting $4, 000 usd for 2 weeks in february. i could get a lot of p4p with that. assuming i have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?

i'd love some details on how that conversation goes. .

your thoughts are encouraged.

-ypl[/quote]i am not 100% sure of the meaning of the term "sugar daddy" but i think that has more a long term and larger financial commitment than is more common here. true, there are many stories of oligarchs giving cars etc to girls after 1 meeting, but the normal financial implications of being a sponsor range from taking care of personal expenses totaling $200-$1, 000 a month, up to providing an apartment, a car and a few thousand dollars spending money per month. i know 2 girls who it turned out had the same lover. 1 girl got $3, 000 a month whereas the other got $300. the example i referred to earlier is more a casual one off arrangement where my friend implies that he will take care of the girls without calling them prostitutes. dinner, chocolates and $100 the next day is his normal mo.

it's quite difficult to answer your "how much" question as the range of possibilities is quite varied. during my 6 years here i would guess the average cost would be $100 per night. that is a weighted average based on freebies, mini sponsorships and straight out mamba. i have used standard deviation to arrive at this figure and have left out the following:- regular 3 somes. 4 somes and 5 somes where it's me and 2/3/4 girls at no cost and at the other end of the scale, holidays in thailand, where it's me and 3/4 girls at a huge cost.

on your other question, i would guess that shopping is cheaper until it becomes more expensive- girls usually expect more and more and no, i have never taken a girl shopping in advance and rarely after the fact.

the problem with "budgeting" is that your behavior will work against you. better to go with the flow. i am not suggesting you splash out on every girl you meet but girls here are cutely aware of how a man spends his money. be generous in small ways and control the situation so you don't get taken advantage of. decide the restaurant and what the girl is eating and drinking. don't be stingy or too flash. trust your gut instincts 100% and if it feels wrong it is wrong. a girl who orders "fresh" grapefruit should be thrown away. it's taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. whereas a girl who orders "juice" is a good bet. apelcine "sock" is orange juice, apelcine 'fresh" is freshly squeezed orange juice.

to continue the theme, the difference between pros and regular girls, sponsored or otherwise is like comparing apples and oranges. each has its pros (excuse the pun) and cons. short term visitors here are a little restricted in their options unless they have the game my friend has or the organizational skills that cruiser d or hunter dave have.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373923]I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February. I could get a lot of P4P with that. Assuming I have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?[/QUOTE]Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.

Just to say.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373923]I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February.[/QUOTE]Just for the record, average costs in Tashkent.

* light lunch for self at a mall foodcourt : 4 €

* meeting in nice cafe for two, coffee and either salad or dessert: 6 €

* light dinner for two in mid-level restaurant with drinks (beer) : 20 €

* heavy dinner for two in upmarket restaurant with many drinks (wine plus cocktails) and additional courses: 40/50 €

* light night clubbing at one mid-level club with average volume drinks for self and occasional drinks for girls: 30 €

* heavy night clubbing at glam club with VIP table, multiple drinks for self and drinks (bottles) for girls : 120 €

* heavy night (10pm-6am) at strip bar, with multiple lapdancings / neck massages and multiple drinks for self and girls: 100 €

* quality pro Russian pussy (for all night) : $50 to $100.

It would be interesting to have the same kind of estimations for Kiev. I guess that you can multiply those costs by three. In Moscow or Piter, you definitely spend easily five times more.

As a side note, I now sometimes spend weekends in Bucarest, and at 4, 5 RON for 1 €, bar prices are a steal there. An imported beer in the most exclusive glam clubs (Bamboo, Barletto, ect) costs an average of 15 RON per bottle, a mojito an average of 22 RON.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1373878]On the way back from Tixi Omut Strip club (Thank you QT for the tip) I asked my young taxi driver out of curiosity if there were any prostitutes on the streets in Kiev? He drove to a Wide dark Street away from the centre, forgot the name. Looked dodgy like anywhere else in Europe or the US.

Ask a young Taxi Driver on the Night shift and he will take you there. .

You have been Warned.[/QUOTE]Jogged my memory. It was on the other side of the Dnipro River.

Will try to get the name and post it here. Why are you interested in SWS?

[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1373700]I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.[/QUOTE]Hey Irish guy. Didn't know you "cared about me ". But thanks for writing about me! Xa xa.

Hello. Anyone here of this website?

[url]http://www.phototours-ukraine.com[/url]

The allow you to come in a book a session with their models for erotic and nude photo shoots. Was wondering if anyone tried it and if they had success with it?

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1374036]Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.

Just to say.[/QUOTE]You are quite right. I didn't refer to that side for a number of reasons:-

1. The majority of visitors from here don't have the time to meet that type.

2. The very question "How much?" already places the discussion into a distinct arena.

As you yourself know and I as mentioned, it's difficult to answer the "how much?" question and still include those girls that you refer to. A recent post says "I wouldn't sleep with you for all the money in the world" yet, some romance, respect and courting might do it.

I have gone out, spent $100's and slept alone and gone out, spent almost nothing yet had a 5 some. Got to go with the flow. It all pans out in the end. Having a "budget" approach sets your path though.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1374036]In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club.[/QUOTE]True, but this door is not open to short term tourists in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1374127]Jogged my memory. It was on the other side of the Dnipro River.

Will try to get the name and post it here. Why are you interested in SWS?[/QUOTE]Thanks Jojosun. My answer was posted elsewhere. Because "sometimes I like the seedier side of life." I have paid $2,000 USD to spend the night with a model quality girl in Germany and less than $10 for all night with a bar girl in a Ho Chi Minh City dive. Picking a "working girl" up off the street or even fucking her in an alley appeals to some animal side of me. It isn't what I want all the time, but it can be exciting.

[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1373675]I had Kievstar on my iphone, then MTC.

Life for iPhone and internet is by far the best in terms of reception and cost.[/QUOTE]Any unlocked GSM phone will work in UA. You can buy any size SIM card from the companies they mention. They are both in Passage and Kreshiatik, almost across from each other. You deposit money into the phone at those stores or at many machines located everywhere. A friend can even reload them on the internet. Your phone will work for calls and data, no problem. You may need to change the APN setting on Cellular settings, for the data part. IPad from Verizon will work with a similar SIM, it is unlocked. I got two SIMS, one for my unlocked iPhone, and one for my iPad. I also got a USB cellular modem (with a third SIM) for my laptop. I travel with a portable WiFi access point: if the hotel or apartment has internet connection but no wireless internet, I can connect the access point, wired, to the wall or router, and put the signal 'in the air' for my ipad, laptop and iphones (I also carry one iPhone with my US number, in case a Client needs to call me). To call back to the US, just install Skype in your phones, ipad and laptop, and you talk all you want for free: calls on Skype are free to USA, from anywhere. To call international from your phone in UA with your UA SIM, dial 0001 area code and number. If you dial directly it will cost you a fortune. Good luck!

[quote=acolonizer; 1373777]oooh, what a bizarre! men looking for "fun" and women looking for "husband". but a "coital meeting" is not fun, that is one of the many aspects of loneliness, through the payment of basic sex. that "fun" is not prostitution, strictly speaking. prostitution is any "body" service that a man can't get easily by any woman: anal fisting, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] drinking, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] sex, hard sado-maso, etc. : this is fun! and this is the problem with any monger: why do you pay the same price for basic sex when you could fulfill your fantasies at the same price? and therefore the sex market is inflated in this crazy way!

i sometimes like to try the opposite game, not looking for "fun", but looking for a beautiful "wife", and i usually receive the same / opposite reply "i am looking for a sponsor". this proves 99% women in kiev or in mamba sites are not actually interested in money-free relationships with a foreigner, and the reason "looking for a husband" is one of the classic ways to move to pity foreigners' heart, therefore foreigners don't ask the same sexual performances that slavic women usually make to their slavic men: anal sex, pissing, fisting and sometimes group sex.[/quote]well, those may be your fantasies, but please do not assume that we all, or most of us, share them. i prefer the gf experience, and that is exactly what i get by sponsoring a girl in ua. as far as the sex these girls get from their ua men: 1 minute doggy style, they cum and walk away. not even kissing or playing with their (often wonderful) tits. some do anal, but they all consider it the lowest form of prostitution and most won't do it.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1374036]Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.

Just to say.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with the quote, that matches my experience. In this culture, 'spending money on your girl' is part of being romantic and a gentleman. It also shows that you made something of yourself and deserve respect and.probably- her love. So: yes, there will be money involved, but not as most assume. There are also the plain prostitutes, but most are not and you can still get laid. They live in a Kleptocracy (however you spell the government of the thieves) , they were dealt a most shitty hand and they need to survive.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1374240]" I have paid $2,000 USD to spend the night with a model quality girl in Germany and less than $10 for all night with a bar girl in a (Ho) Chi Minh City dive. .[/QUOTE]USD2000, for a Frau.

USD 10, For a HOE.

U$ 1990. = Difference. How did they compare?