Adding to Jnpr / Gino's points from a different angle, tips from a WG
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On the other hand, many girls also prefer to turn around a session fast. The idea is to get it done in a 10 to 15 min session. One minute of smooching + cuddling, 2 1/2 minutes of half hearted BJ, followed by a few strokes in which the guy finishes, preferably with a CIM, and even better some anal. All completed in 15 minutes.
.[/QUOTE]Sorry JNPR, going to steal this excerpt again and tie it in with some points Gino02 has made in the Mainhatten / Palace threads and add to it some thoughts I had gathered that come from another point of view, that of the WG, a former Shark in fact. I don't think anything she told me is anything the vets don't already know but I did take a little info from what she said and will stick it in the back of my head. The session you describe above is perhaps not the typical session but it is the goal of the girls IF we collectively let them get away with such. It's why I am bumping it again.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2232358]This is simply my observation based on what I read
These girls (even the most beautiful girl in any FKK) need our 50 e more than we need the BBBJ or DFK or whatever else they are trying to scam you as extras.
For customers who take the easy route without negotiating (same in any business for that matter), there is no standard rate. These WG's takes whatever more they can, again same in most other businesses.
[/QUOTE]JNPR has given us a ' worst case ' session that will most likely be exactly what will occur if a guy does not negotiate and is simply a punching bag. Gino's comment they need our Euros more than we need their pussy basically is in fact admitted to by this girl yet they will not let on to this rather try to make the guy think the opposite. Correct again on no standard rate, the standard rate is the most they can get out of you once they sniff money or smell blood and always case specific based on their gut feelings and the angles they will work upon profiling and reading the john in front of them.
I am posting this excerpt of a conversation in my words yet her thoughts more so to benefit guys who are the most vulnerable class, the first time tourists and guys who do little to no research as we know the more experience a guy gets the less vulnerable they are. I'll wrap up showing a classic case of how a WG is always working and they don't stop even if they are your ' friend' although I think once in a blue moon an exception is had but also IMHO some guys think the moon is blue when it is not even any shade close to blue and is being played still. It isn't called a trick for nothing. As most know the girls profile us instantly. I was given my profile at least at Sharks.
An American who comes in who has some kind of money and rotates clubs, tries for 50 e sessions but has several times gone for a 50+50 and recently has been doing hours with regulars so she told me they will all (upper tiered ones mainly) gun for a 100 session knowing such and my odds of nailing down as Gino described a session at 50 from a top tiered girl (hot girl) as she put it are going to be low (although time of day, number guys in club etc. May sway this) as I am already labeled as a ' hold out'; one who has more money to spend, maybe crackable maybe not. At the same time they know you repeat and come around more than a few times and not a drive by so they know you know how to walk away and find another and they know I will go for a lower hanging fruit w / o hesitation where she says I will get a deal and as she says, giving the shop away for 50 especially in the lower tiers. That is the see-saw I am up against. In a nutshell I can't cry poverty but they know if they squeeze too hard they are really losing out on a 100 not 50 as they know I will cough it up and truth be told I will be going for the hours aiming for the best value and most services. She has me pegged, what can I say. Point being these girls are extremely intelligent and if known will still use your profile and if unknown they will go for the gold medal until they feel they can't get it but too many hand it over as Gino points out. Gino's advise is sound.
She claims her job starts from the moment of initial contact and it is her job to close the deal and work the guy until the moment she is paid and she doesn't take her mind off what potentially can come out of that box from the moment of the greeting. Three opportunities to make money off a guy she claims. I also believe that she says almost the majority of the time she can tell within a minute or less how much she is looking at coming out of the box from negotiated price, upsells and tips just from having fucked god knows how many thousands and thousands of men. I too can tell in less than a minute usually what might go down at least judge her attitude at the minimum. Not rocket science. These three chances to make money are as follow, windows of opportunity.
1) The negotiated price on the floor.
2) Upsells in the room and finally.
3) A tip.
Never does the WG per her lose sight of 2 and 3 above and while negotiating the 'initial contract price ' will take in to account what she thinks 2 and 3 will or will not bring and negotiates accordingly to maximize what she walks in to the Vashing Room with NOT what she agrees upon on the floor (the net is what her mind is on) . She may think he is an easy tipper or someone who will easily buy an extra and slide a little on the floor or visa versa, she ain't getting shit in 2 or 3 and will lay all her cards on the table in that ' initial contract. ' At the same time MOST men are focused only on 1 so the girl is two steps ahead and in her mind a slight advantage which is where a tip she gave me comes in. One may ask why she is bothering to tell me all this, will be clear at the end.
The goal she tells me (will put in my words) for the wise guy is during their first window of opportunity on the floor for the guy to flip the cards and slam windows number 2 and 3 shut. Force the girl in to a position on the floor to agree to one price and clearly let her know she is not to try to move the goal posts upstairs nor ask for a tip otherwise they certainly will, with the exceptions of regulars already locked in to their rates. A smart girl as she says who knows you aren't a one time in and out visitor will not only respect this but recognizing the best tip is a repeat will have very little incentive to upsell you in the room nor ask for a tip although she may hold out hopes for a tip. The girl will know if she tries to open up Window 2 or 3 once ' under contract' the odds of you repeating with her are slim to none and slim has one foot out the door. She says if the girl hints at a tip on the floor to tell her ' I take care of my regulars. ' Not a yes, not a no, girl will get the message.
I have always taken the approach negotiate a deal and tell her that is the bottom line and up the stairs. She tells me to reverse that. You tell the girl in your own words the below, and this can be implemented by rookies and vets alike although most vets have a style that works for them already. I am really not giving advise here, I am simply relaying a girl's thoughts.
' I am happy to talk about going to the room and your services but before I waste our time want to make it clear I want to do business downstairs but once upstairs not discuss money or other services or be asked for a tip in the middle of our fun as it can ruin the mood and I want us to enjoy ourselves not be stressed out; upstairs is for fun downstairs is for business. ' (Word it however you want).
Windows 2 and 3 just closed for most girls, the girl will respect you, she will know she can't push you and can only hope you repeat and perhaps tip her. She also has especially if you are some what known much more incentive to give you a great session not only in hopes of that lucky tip but that you will be back and if she pulls any crap on you, she is history.
She also did say plenty of girls will give what Gino02 states comes with 50 e but your odds are much higher if you take control. Now why is this girl telling me this? Why is she giving away ' secrets' even though I think she knows I know all this. Why is she sitting on this couch with me (even though was dead) giving me all this free time? The answer is because she is working and a WG never stops working even when not in the room. For starters this girl has made several hundred off me and wants to keep it that way. She knows there are two others I would go with if they got to me first so she is making sure she is providing ' something for free' to perhaps gain a step up. But there was one more pitch she had to throw, I knew this pitch was coming and sure enough back to my ' Sharks Advise. '.
She than proceeded to tell me she knows I am a 50/100 guy but asked me if you went for 150 or 200 she'd tell me who to go with for the best time and what I might want. '.
LOL! I had a grin on my face, she read it clearly and said " I had to try, it's my job'.
Point being, she gave me the whole Sharks lowdown and fed me attention not to really help me at Sharks rather to lead in to how she could possibly get me up in price at Mainhatten. Doesn't take a rocket scientist at NASA to ask ' Is she really trying to coach me for Sharks or to make more off me at Mainhatten than she already does?' ; obviously the latter. She knows I have it to spend so why not try. She was working window 4 the whole time. And number 5 as well. 4 was the ' trying to see if I will go up to 150 or 200' and 5 was a multipurpose, the first being to try to determine what extra service she may have to toss in to get more of an upper hand on the others and finally she is going for the TKO of two girls she knows are a threat to her income stream if I drift their direction. She knows I will drop 600-1200 Euros per trip in there and wants more. I am a john, not her friend. Those other two girls are not her friends they are competition moving in on what she sees as her money. She could give two shits about me!! However, she is a great girl stays on payroll and I have the utmost respect for her, she is doing her job.
Point being, a WG never stops working and even in times they appear to be your friend they are counting Euros.
I doubt much above will help any vets out there but hopefully some of the newbies and guys who may have been pushed over will pull something from the mind of a WG and use it to their advantage. I fully intend to take her advise on not discussing prices / services until the girl is made fully aware when we go upstairs it is only for fun. Always something to learn.
I have attempted to quote JNPR here and Gino02 whose sessions described are representative of opposite ends of the potential spectrum and add to it what is in the mind of a WG, to not lose sight of the big picture that we are just money and maybe something she conveyed and the fact the entire time she was helping me she was really working on my money!
Hopefully the 3 posts combined may help avoid some broken links, as they say ' we are only as strong as our weakest link'.
Thanks for reading either way in case I failed, I am just passing time in this sex prison until my parole date the end of the month!
