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[QUOTE=SandyRivers;2713831]I tried again. This time got a girl who spoke better English. I think it might have been the same girl. Because her massage skills were awful. But talking to her she had a fun vibe and I could sense she'd be good. She also final gave me the magic words I need. 'Service'. The girl last night said something in Korean. I think it was this. But her English was awful and she just laughed it off and finished her massage and left. This new girl quoted FS 150,000 which was expensive but I wasn't in the mood for negotiating and I really liked this girls energy. So I paid her. We both showered and the she gave me an amazing BBJ. She tried to climb on top but had some trouble. So she lay down and then we went through a bunch of positions and I was right. She was really into into it and put in a good shift.

It does seem like a gamble though with this service. I asked for a photo and got told no photos. When the girl showed up I didn't really think she would be worth it but I was blown away with the service. I might try it again in a month or two once I've tried other options.[/QUOTE]Earlier reports here stated 80,000 for FS but I'm sure they'll decided to quote 150,000 to foreigners now. Koreans would never pay that to Thai girls on top of massage fees. Its cz Thai OP / massage girls have the cheapest rates on market here compared to Korean and Russian OP's.

Bt I'm glad you liked the service, it would be a big blow had you not liked neither the massage nor the service you had just paid premium for.

Reading further into the current crackdown I also realized that the police are particularly focused on establishments that employ immigrants. This seems to be because the prosecutors office is able to show that the Korean management conspired to traffic women and conceal income. Law enforcement is seeking to use advertisements and phone records as proof of intent which is why some businesses no longer communicate through text.

If you happen to know whether the crackdown is also impacting OPs and Anmas where Korean women work, I would love to know.

While searching for articles about the crackdown I also stumbled across this gem. It's about how the law allowed for the proliferation of Kiss rooms for a short period of time. It shows the cat and mouse games that are played between business owners and government. Interesting stuff, but not particularly current.

[URL]https://n.news.naver.com/article/032/0003073764?sid=102[/URL]

[QUOTE=Charles96;2714154]I want to know how much on average you guys usually pay on these massage or op girls when you do meet outside the op during One on One arrangements.

My strategy now is that If I like the girl and sense a good vibe from her too, I'll try to get her contact so I don't have to deal with the Korean managers all the time. Do you usually offer the same rates as op? I don't want to pay over the market rates neither do I want her thinking it's not worth the hustle.

I jst got contact of one Thai girl who I really liked yesterday but it was hard booking her through op, So Expert opinions are welcome, thanks.[/QUOTE]I would say I am an expert in this area since I currently see probably 8 or 9 Op and massage girls outside the shop on a regular basis. Have to be careful juggling that many even 2 or 3 as a lot of these girls work for the same agency or know each other.

Tip 1. You have to be willing to meet early before they work or on their holidays which is during the week.

Tip 2. If I do give them pocket money it is never more then 100 k Won and I do not give it to them straight up. I always say " go have a nice meal, or buy you something". I found when giving it to them right after the deed makes them feel like they are working.

Tip 3. Buy them stuff even just cheap little outfits they love that. I have even splurged and bought tattoos or nice things for 1 or 2 if I feel they are worth it.

Tip 4. Most of them really just really just want to spend time out of the shops or rooms so take them to see the sea " get head during the drive" take them to a shopping area. Remember most are past their visa so they are afraid to go out. Tell them since you are a foreigner no one will ask questions because they will think she is your wife.

I call this the boyfriend experience.

Oh I forgot if the Line she gives you doesn't have her picture on it then most likely that is her work Line ID.

Been playing this game here for almost 5 years.

Good luck.

So apparently this May and June was a major crackdown season. According to the intel sites, this crackdowns should be done by June 30th, but YMMV.

I'm also a gypo but fluent in Korean. There are lots of ads and info in Korean Opi or Yuhung / nightlife sites, but they are all in Korean language and you need to use Korean VPN to have your IP address originate from Korea. Also, many of crowd contents are not available unless you sign up to be a member with a certain member level, usually gained by daily attendance and forum participation.

There really should be a glossary for Korean hobby terms, but Opi /“오피”/ Officetel is the most popular venue. It's similar to AAMP in US where you make a reservation to meet a girl in an apartment / officetel. You can find hot young girls providing basic / GFE servie. The downside is that it's pricy and most place will require you to give out PII or a proof of identity, then they store them in a database and pass them around. The recent busts focused around Opis because of this and many guys listed in the database was called to police office for questioning. So take your risk.

Hugaetel is like Opi but usually have foreign girls providing GFE / PSE at cheaper price. They also require your PII for screening.

Anma /“안마” is similar to AMP in US, but almost 100% of them provide FS. They have a legit massage business and often don't have screening. Girls are older and not as hot as Opi.

Gunma /“건마” is a "proper / legit" massage place. Or they claim to not provide any sexual service, but most of them do if you play your game right. But the service is not a sure thing as Anma and YMMV.

Anma, Gunma, and Kissbang is a legit business providing extras under the table, so it's mich harder to be cracked down, unless they catch you balls-deep in the girl, or if the girl confesses.

But Korean cops are not like US cop and they are not authoritative, according to what I've read in other forums. They act and speak very kindly, and offer you coffee. But make no mistake. They will gladly mislead you into confessing and will press all charges they have on you. Never admit and lawyer up if you must.

[QUOTE=MEA2021;2713981]Hi all,

Hope everyone is doing well and before I write anything else I would like to give a huge thanks to all of you who post stuff on here and share information, much appreciated and thank you for taking the time especially since you don't have to.

So now to the part that might piss some people off LOL, but I genuinely have tried my best to read up and understand as much as possible, its just that the game in SK is very different than what I am used to from Europe / Middle East / Americas. At least in my personal experience.

I saw several posts on here about locations, strategies, do\s and don't\s, but I am still struggling to figure out some basic stuff which I think some of you more South Korea experienced gents could easily clear up.

So. The first thing I did was basically what one of the posts here said not to do LOL. I got myself registered on this OP site (which was a mission on its own as I live in a country which monitors all traffic and blocks a lot of stuff you normally would access even without a VPN).[/QUOTE]You're right, understanding the scene in Korea is difficult. However, you seem to have a pretty good understanding.

Maybe I can clarify a few things.

As far as I know, every service in Korea is managed. There are simply too many moving parts for an independent to master, and too many potential dangers for "management" not to be involved at some point in the process (advertising, real estate, booking, accounting, security, bribery, secretarial work etc.).

Even women who claim to be independent are almost certainly not.

I know that independence might be important to some, in the same way that free trade products are important to others, but in either case I'm simply not sure that labels can be trusted.

I know that working women used to hang out in the lobbies and bars of five star hotels, and they were potentially independent, but most forms of visible prostitution have been removed in the past few years. I imagine that even the most discreet hotel ladies stopped working during the pandemic and who knows whether they would have returned by now or whether they will ever return.

If you really don't mind spending a huge chunk of money, you might consider paying for a premium membership and then contacting the posters who experienced the real deal earlier this year. They may be able to help you, and believe me when I say that you require help from an experienced monger. Without someone's help, you'll have a really tough time. Of course, feel free to contact the VVIP services on your own. After all, their telephone numbers are listed, but as everyone already knows, YMMV.

Just remember that even with help, working women in Korea have plenty of potential clients, so whether you are accepted also depends on your nationality, age, appearance, and hygiene. It might sound crazy, but money isn't the only thing that matters.

For instance, although foreigners are limited in their choices in Korea, other east Asians are generally accepted. I remember running across a Japanese google map that pinned just about every sex establishment in Seoul. From what I can tell, pre-pandemic, Japanese guys would come to Korea on tour packages to play around and experience the different services on offer. I believe they even paid Korean guides to help them with their nightlife adventures.

There are also a fair number of guys from Singapore who are clued into the scene. They even have their own forum. For me, it's not a very useful website because the advice doesn't apply to Europeans and Americans. However, it's nice to know that foreigners aren't completely shut out.

Being a white guy, my access is limited in a number of ways. I would generally need a Korean guy to set up a meeting at an OP with a Korean woman. It's somewhat odd, because Korean women certainly don't hate white guys. In fact, before getting married it was fairly easy to meet regular women who would be down to sleep around after 2-3 dates. Seoul is a big city and dating applications make it easy to have fun with attractive women of all ages. Why OPs are so reluctant to accept white foreigners is a mystery to me, but it is what it is.

However, even with the Thai women I meet at Hyugetels, I'm not always able to access 100 percent of all offered services. Recently, I was with a woman who offers anal. Now I had only paid for regular service, but as I was curious I inquired about whether she would offer me anal next time. She responded that I was too big for that. Apparently, she only offers her ass to Asian clients.

To answer your other questions, the online sites show prices for all services and they do not charge higher prices for foreigners. The prices listed in each ad are the prices that everyone pays, and these prices tend to be standardized between businesses. For instance, all OPs recently raised their base rates in unison by 10,000 won. Hyugetels may soon follow suit, but I certainly hope not.

All the different types of sex services on offer in Korea have been discussed before on the forum and even a Google search will bring up a bunch of explanations. However, I say that the best way to understand the difference between services is to try them out.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=SlapStickFun01;2714821]I would say I am an expert in this area since I currently see probably 8 or 9 Op and massage girls outside the shop on a regular basis. Have to be careful juggling that many even 2 or 3 as a lot of these girls work for the same agency or know each other.

Tip 1. You have to be willing to meet early before they work or on their holidays which is during the week.

Tip 2. If I do give them pocket money it is never more then 100 k Won and I do not give it to them straight up. I always say " go have a nice meal, or buy you something". I found when giving it to them right after the deed makes them feel like they are working.

Tip 3. Buy them stuff even just cheap little outfits they love that. I have even splurged and bought tattoos or nice things for 1 or 2 if I feel they are worth it..[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have to pretend to have taken interest in them like listening to their stories, have meal and all that. I thought I would just be arranging for the deed as I would through her OP and that's it hahah.

It's makes sense by the way cz the Colombian girl I met months ago asked for my whatsapp contact and said we should hang out sometime that she has no frds blah blah. I never went through with it then as I thought it was "too much". I didn't know it's the game we have to play to get what we want.

Guess I'll have to play the game now. So, the trick is taking them to outings that doesn't cost much like walking, sight seeing and stuff and then leave them with about 100,000 for "meal". Sounds perfect. Usually I use Motels, so it'll still feel like a transaction tho LOL.

The expert share was much appreciated, going to make good use of the tips.

[QUOTE=Mander;2714890]So apparently this May and June was a major crackdown season. According to the intel sites, this crackdowns should be done by June 30th, but YMMV.

I'm also a gypo but fluent in Korean. There are lots of ads and info in Korean Opi or Yuhung / nightlife sites, but they are all in Korean language and you need to use Korean VPN to have your IP address originate from Korea. Also, many of crowd contents are not available unless you sign up to be a member with a certain member level, usually gained by daily attendance and forum participation.

There really should be a glossary for Korean hobby terms, but Opi /오피/ Officetel is the most popular venue. It's similar to AAMP in US where you make a reservation to meet a girl in an apartment / officetel. You can find hot young girls providing basic / GFE servie. The downside is that it's pricy and most place will require you to give out PII or a proof of identity, then they store them in a database and pass them around. The recent busts focused around Opis because of this and many guys listed in the database was called to police office for questioning. So take your risk..[/QUOTE]Where in Seoul can you find the most Anmas?

[QUOTE=Charles96;2714904]Sounds like you have to pretend to have taken interest in them like listening to their stories, have meal and all that. I thought I would just be arranging for the deed as I would through her OP and that's it hahah.

It's makes sense by the way cz the Colombian girl I met months ago asked for my whatsapp contact and said we should hang out sometime that she has no frds blah blah. I never went through with it then as I thought it was "too much". I didn't know it's the game we have to play to get what we want.

Guess I'll have to play the game now. So, the trick is taking them to outings that doesn't cost much like walking, sight seeing and stuff and then leave them with about 100,000 for "meal". Sounds perfect. Usually I use Motels, so it'll still feel like a transaction tho LOL.

The expert share was much appreciated, going to make good use of the tips.[/QUOTE]No problem I hope you have as much luck as I have.

I have read about this Columbian girl. She around? Worth it? Ot sure where to find her. I have not had a juicy Columbian since I was there 7 years ago. I need one again.

They're everywhere but it seems a lot of the ones discussed here are in the gangnam area.

[QUOTE=Penetrador;2714987]Where in Seoul can you find the most Anmas?[/QUOTE]

Thank you for this. I'm new to Korea and this has really helped me.

[QUOTE=Mander;2714890]So apparently this May and June was a major crackdown season. According to the intel sites, this crackdowns should be done by June 30th, but YMMV.

I'm also a gypo but fluent in Korean. There are lots of ads and info in Korean Opi or Yuhung / nightlife sites, but they are all in Korean language and you need to use Korean VPN to have your IP address originate from Korea. Also, many of crowd contents are not available unless you sign up to be a member with a certain member level, usually gained by daily attendance and forum participation.

There really should be a glossary for Korean hobby terms, but Opi /오피/ Officetel is the most popular venue. It's similar to AAMP in US where you make a reservation to meet a girl in an apartment / officetel. You can find hot young girls providing basic / GFE servie. The downside is that it's pricy and most place will require you to give out PII or a proof of identity, then they store them in a database and pass them around. The recent busts focused around Opis because of this and many guys listed in the database was called to police office for questioning. So take your risk.[/QUOTE]

Was at home sending out messages to see which Hyugetels would bite, when one called back. Mind you, the shop didn't reply with a text, but instead suddenly called.

This scared the hell out of me because my wife was in the living room.

Of course I hung up without answering, but he called again at which point I had to sneak out of my apartment to take the call and tell the guy that my family was home. Thankfully, I didn't get caught, but I was reminded how risky this hobby can be.

After telling him why I had texted, I learned that he was willing to do business, but that he required all customers to call. I tried to book an early reservation, but he couldn't fit me in within the hour. I would have loved to take a later appointment, but I couldn't think of a good enough excuse to get away from my wife for that particular period of time. It was too close to dinner, too unlikely that I would need to suddenly meet a friend, and too strange a period of time to "go for a walk."

Anyway, I asked whether I could call back the next day and he said I could contact him anytime after 1:00 pm.

I tried to book by text message the next day (I assumed that the initial call was only necessary to prove that I wasn't a scammer), but he didn't reply to my text and so I called. He was absolutely serious when he mentioned that he would only communicate over a call.

On the phone I requested the A course plus optional CIP. After this was arranged I was told me where to go. I asked whether he could text me the address, but he remained insistent on the no texting policy. Regardless, he was nice and repeated the address several times until I could repeat it back to him.

Knowing the address, I searched it on maps and found the destination. A few hours later I arrived and called to request for the final piece of the puzzle: the room number. This is where I received an unpleasant surprise. I was told that the Hyugetel had suddenly closed for the evening. Surprisingly, it wasn't closed specifically to me, but had temporarily closed to all customers because of the police crackdown. I understand that these things happen, but I was pissed because I had used up a perfectly believable lie with my wife in order to block out some free time.

Anyway, the recent crackdown by the police sucks. Let's hope this madness dies down and quietly returns to normal.

The very next day, I called back to check in again. He said he was open, so I made another reservation and tried to think of a believable lie to tell my wife. Lie in hand, I committed to the reservation and when the time arrived, I crossed my fingers for good luck and called to request the room number.

Finally, everything worked out. Unfortunately, the woman did not look like she did in her pictures. She was identifiably the same woman, but the petite woman in the advertisement with a cute face turned out to be an overweight lady with a still somewhat cute but much chubbier face. And yet, at this point I was both too horny and too committed to walk away.

There was no turning back and so I did the deed, had some fun, and left. Despite her looks, I give her an A for effort. She took a cumshot like a champ and even let me watch it drip out of her.

I guess I had gotten lucky on my previous visits to Hyugetels because all the women I had seen up until this encounter were the spitting image of their advertised photos. Now I know to be more careful, and now I know that some Hyugetels use very heavily edited photos and that they on occasion grossly underestimate the weight of women and also exaggerate the size of their breasts.

Will I visit again. Not with the particular woman I met. She was quite literally the ugliest woman I've ever encountered in a Hyugetel and therefore the most disappointing fuck I've had in a long time. However, if this place starts to offer truly attractive women (which they now appear to be doing), and if I scrutinize the photos more carefully for telltale signs of image manipulation, I'll call again and give it one more shot.

[QUOTE=SlapStickFun01;2715192]No problem I hope you have as much luck as I have.

I have read about this Columbian girl. She around? Worth it? Ot sure where to find her. I have not had a juicy Columbian since I was there 7 years ago. I need one again.[/QUOTE]Yah, I also do hope I would get much luck. About the Colombian, had she been worth the first time, trust me I would've got her the "date" she wanted but despite her being young and pretty, while doing the deed she seemed to have been forced into this kind of job. I didn't like the experience at all, she was super sensitive, didn't like to be touched much, and DATY was as if I'm going to eat her whole LOL. OR she was very very new on the scene but either way, I wished an experienced 30's something woman had shown up instead.

Anyways, she was young and I liked the body, so my man could stand and I tried to finish the deed quick so I can send her away. But if you still would want a try, I'd happily give the details.

BTW I thought I'd be a senior member by now, It's been over 6 months. And I didn't see any rules about being active every month within that period. I do hope I get activated so I can share much more details with fellow mongers inbox.

It was a Saturday and I saw around 30 40 women all together in 3/4 different.

Blocks. But on a Sunday that number significantly reduced. Have no idea how weekdays' turn out is.

Main customer base were factory workers from SE Asian countries like Sri Lanka and a few black guys as well. Foreigners are welcome but NOT all windows, a few fine girls didn't bother with foreigners according to my observation (May be depends on the Nationality of foreigner) but all in all, there was a variety of choices a foreigner could choose from too and some of them are fine as well. Mainly the Damage is 50,000 for 15 min, but with an extra fee you could negotiate extra time. Koreans pay around 7 80,000 for the same. Some fine girls would charge the same 7 80 K range to a foreigner as well.

Well, it's not the OP hot girls, but if you happen to be near / around the area, it's always good to choose by myself beforehand instead of being surprised inside some room after payment.

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2714897]You're right, understanding the scene in Korea is difficult. However, you seem to have a pretty good understanding.

Maybe I can clarify a few things.

As far as I know, every service in Korea is managed. There are simply too many moving parts for an independent to master, and too many potential dangers for "management" not to be involved at some point in the process (advertising, real estate, booking, accounting, security, bribery, secretarial work etc.).

Even women who claim to be independent are almost certainly not.

I know that independence might be important to some, in the same way that free trade products are important to others, but in either case I'm simply not sure that labels can be trusted.

I know that working women used to hang out in the lobbies and bars of five star hotels, and they were potentially independent, but most forms of visible prostitution have been removed in the past few years. I imagine that even the most discreet hotel ladies stopped working during the pandemic and who knows whether they would have returned by now or whether they will ever return.

If you really don't mind spending a huge chunk of money, you might consider paying for a premium membership and then contacting the posters who experienced the real deal earlier this year. They may be able to help you, and believe me when I say that you require help from an experienced monger. Without someone's help, you'll have a really tough time. Of course, feel free to contact the VVIP services on your own. After all, their telephone numbers are listed, but as everyone already knows, YMMV.

Just remember that even with help, working women in Korea have plenty of potential clients, so whether you are accepted also depends on your nationality, age, appearance, and hygiene. It might sound crazy, but money isn't the only thing that matters.

For instance, although foreigners are limited in their choices in Korea, other east Asians are generally accepted. I remember running across a Japanese google map that pinned just about every sex establishment in Seoul. From what I can tell, pre-pandemic, Japanese guys would come to Korea on tour packages to play around and experience the different services on offer. I believe they even paid Korean guides to help them with their nightlife adventures.

There are also a fair number of guys from Singapore who are clued into the scene. They even have their own forum. For me, it's not a very useful website because the advice doesn't apply to Europeans and Americans. However, it's nice to know that foreigners aren't completely shut out.

Being a white guy, my access is limited in a number of ways. I would generally need a Korean guy to set up a meeting at an OP with a Korean woman. It's somewhat odd, because Korean women certainly don't hate white guys. In fact, before getting married it was fairly easy to meet regular women who would be down to sleep around after 2-3 dates. Seoul is a big city and dating applications make it easy to have fun with attractive women of all ages. Why OPs are so reluctant to accept white foreigners is a mystery to me, but it is what it is.

However, even with the Thai women I meet at Hyugetels, I'm not always able to access 100 percent of all offered services. Recently, I was with a woman who offers anal. Now I had only paid for regular service, but as I was curious I inquired about whether she would offer me anal next time. She responded that I was too big for that. Apparently, she only offers her ass to Asian clients.

To answer your other questions, the online sites show prices for all services and they do not charge higher prices for foreigners. The prices listed in each ad are the prices that everyone pays, and these prices tend to be standardized between businesses. For instance, all OPs recently raised their base rates in unison by 10,000 won. Hyugetels may soon follow suit, but I certainly hope not.

All the different types of sex services on offer in Korea have been discussed before on the forum and even a Google search will bring up a bunch of explanations. However, I say that the best way to understand the difference between services is to try them out.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thank you good sir for taking the time to reply to my message. Yes, I understand better now with your reply. Doing this on my own I will learn the hard way LOL is what I gathered from your message. I fly in and out of Korea quite frequently, the next time I am there I will most def give it a try. I can confirm that the hotel lobby / lounge game is non-existing, I usually stay at 5 stars in the Gangnam area and never noticed anyone who would be a provider hanging around. But then again I could just be blind.

I looked through some old posts to check if this answer was there. But do you speak in Korean to them or English. I guess I'm going to have to really hit the books to get the most out of Korea. So far I've had two success and one dud with kiss bangs and Kakao massages. But I would like to explore more options. I'm going to be staying in Seoul soon. So I'm going to try an outcall. I found a hustle girl on Tinder and she quoted 300,000. I wasn't sure as her picture was heavily edited. So I gave it a miss. This forum has been extremely helpful though.

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2715924]Was at home sending out messages to see which Hyugetels would bite, when one called back. Mind you, the shop didn't reply with a text, but instead suddenly called.

This scared the hell out of me because my wife was in the living room.

Of course I hung up without answering, but he called again at which point I had to sneak out of my apartment to take the call and tell the guy that my family was home. Thankfully, I didn't get caught, but I was reminded how risky this hobby can be.

After telling him why I had texted, I learned that he was willing to do business, but that he required all customers to call. I tried to book an early reservation, but he couldn't fit me in within the hour. I would have loved to take a later appointment, but I couldn't think of a good enough excuse to get away from my wife for that particular period of time. It was too close to dinner, too unlikely that I would need to suddenly meet a friend, and too strange a period of time to "go for a walk."

Anyway, I asked whether I could call back the next day and he said I could contact him anytime after 1:00 pm.

I tried to book by text message the next day (I assumed that the initial call was only necessary to prove that I wasn't a scammer), but he didn't reply to my text and so I called. He was absolutely serious when he mentioned that he would only communicate over a call..[/QUOTE]