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[quote=punter 101;1321545]the rumor was the le caught **** girls working the club in moscow. anyways, any sad ending to one of my favorite places in dubai. don't know how many other venues will go the same route like the famous cyclone.[/quote]just curious as what they consider as legal age for something thats prohibited and is not supposed happen at any age! only in dubai as the saying goes. lol.

[quote=punter 101;1321545]apparently, broadway is owned by the same person who owned the moscow hotel. that hotel (and it's club) were permently closed last month. the rumor was the le caught **** girls working the club in moscow. .[/quote] really ??, i see you can still book the hotel thorough various booking sites, so would have thought they would not be selling rooms if it was closed. anyone else have any news on this?

[quote=snow1998;1321683]just curious as what they consider as legal age for something thats prohibited and is not supposed happen at any age! only in dubai as the saying goes. lol.[/quote]maybe that adds to the bill since the message also said.

[quote]the municipality has fined broadway for many violations[/quote]the more charges, the merrier are the authorities. this happens everywhere. if one [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] a woman it is a crime (something that should not happen) but if the victim is a minor the charges will be heavier. so what mentioned is not so strange

[quote=punter 101;1321545]apparently, broadway is owned by the same person who owned the moscow hotel. that hotel (and it's club) were permently closed last month. the rumor was the le caught **** girls working the club in moscow. anyways, any sad ending to one of my favorite places in dubai. don't know how many other venues will go the same route like the famous cyclone.[/quote]i was in red square, moscow hotel last night (until 0230) and it was packed.

Though I am not new to mongering I am relatively new to this city. I did not have a place to bring a girl so promised myself that I will not pick any. Reached premier on Thursday night at 10. 30 PM, the number of girls outperformed the number of men in the club then. Got a drink for myself and settled in a dark corner looking at all the talents available. I was attracted by a Romanian girl so made eye contact with her. I guess her name was Ana, baby fat body with nice curves. Got her a drink and chatted up for a while. Her quote was 2000 AED for the whole night and would not come down any further. Reason it's a Thursday night. LOL.

At this time my dick was making the decision rather than my mind, so informed her that I did not have a place, she gave me a number of a hotel apartment and wanted to check the availability. The room was available and so we decided to go. This is where things started to go wrong. She wanted the payment to be made upfront and informed me that nothing is on offer other than missionary. Not worth it so said thank you and moved on.

Spotted another Romanian chick and her name started with M, the quote was the same but this lady promised to do anything that would please me other than A-level. Finalised the deal, I decided to take a cab to the hotel that I called earlier and she said she would follow me in her car. I waited for her for more than 30 minutes outside but she never turned up. Paid the taxi guy and returned to the club again. She was in the club talking to another client, approached her and asked her why would she agree and then change her mind. She said she was not comfortable going to a place which she does not know. What the heck? I was not sure what was going through her mind but again I was very annoyed.

I decided to drop the plan of picking up any girl and ordered my 3rd drink and took a walk around. Spotted couple of good talents but they all seem to quote the same price. 2000 AED. Found a Pakistani chic and she demanded 2500 AED. The irony was she was gone in a matter of 20 minutes. The two Romanian girls were also picked up for 2000 AED.

Personally, though 2000 AED is affordable for me I feel it is quite a lot of money for these girls and probably not worth it. But what I have observed in the club is that there are people out there who are willing to pay that money and hence there girls would not come down. Lesson learned by visiting premier.

Senior members if you have any comments / suggestions / advise I welcome them all.

Cheers.

BT.

Note: While waiting for the girl outside in the cab I found a local guy stopping all the cabs that had couples and questioned them. He also had some of them step out of the car and made then wait. I am sure that this is some LE activity so people BEWARE!

[QUOTE=The Silent One;1321411]I was pretty rude answering her questions.[/QUOTE]Immigration, you answer their questions. Anyone else... A simple "No thank you", and turn away. [b]END[/b] of non-existent conversation.

It's like walking in Dubai. You'll be strolling along, some shop clerk steps out of his doorway, says,"Hello, MY friend, how are you?" as he sticks out his hand. I DON'T answer and I DON'T shake hands. I keep walking; I'm NOT obligated to engage in a conversation. He's not a friend, he doesn't care how I am, he wants to sell something. Just like the wg's... You engage in a conversation, then MAYBE you're interested at a different price point. "No thank you", END, you're not.

[QUOTE=The Silent One;1321411]On my way out of their crampy personal space that Russian mama was mocking me saying hey I told you so, take me now in full presence of the Romanians! WTF, damn bloody insulting. I gave her a shitty look and walked away. ... but I was all down after getting rejected by Romania and being mocked by that old Russian bag. ... More rejection WTF. ... I made someone else feel shit rejected just like I felt a few minutes ago.[/QUOTE]You write a very entertaining FR; thanks for a fun read.

Don't take it personal; just remember, it's [u]business[/u]. If your company makes a bid on a contract, then loses to another company, do YOU feel rejected? Or, damn, good luck; hope they can do the job for that. If you're interviewing job candidates for your company, and 1 turns down the company's salary offer as being too low, do you take it as a personal rejection or a business decision? (I only took it personally when the newbie's requested starting salary was higher than my tenured salary, but it was just a "good luck with that" thought.) Or if a company offers you 25k / month, but you think you have a reasonable chance some other company will offer 30k, do you take the 1st job because you don't want to offend someone, taking yourself out of the job market? No, it's just [u]business[/u]. You don't accept any girl who agrees to your price; she has her own criteria of acceptance. Sometimes, being known as a nice guy, safe, can get a low bid accepted on a slow night. But if my offer was rejected, I'd just smile and say,"Good luck" (even better if you can say it in her language). Make the [i]contract negotiations[/i] fun; it's not life or death. But just like you're making a business decision on how much you'll pay for her, she's doing the same.

[QUOTE=The Silent One;1321411]She woke up at 0600 and wanted to go as she apparently has a day job.[/QUOTE]Could be. But I also found a number of [i]controlled[/i] girls seemed to have an early morning departure [i]preference[/i].

[QUOTE=The Silent One;1321411]That's if the Romanian chick Rogi is still unreachable[/QUOTE]Always a bit tough when you're negotiating via a 3rd party. While an individual might take a pay cut, ala Jasmine, that's between you and her; none of her colleagues needs to know. With a translator...

For those types, I always did a quick time check. NO, I did NOT look at my watch. It was one of those mental ones: how long would I regret NOT enjoying her [i]experience[/i]? Time check: a day, a week, a month, until dementia sets in? Decision time, and I learned to assume that I would not see her again.

One lesson learned: turned down a no-marketing a-lister ("You take me? Yes? No? OK, bye.") 2 years later, did pull her for an afternoon (her English much improved). I remarked how I did remember her from years past, her brusque marketing. She laughed, explaining that's all the English she knew then; a conversation out of the question; a yes or no response all she could understand. But a great girl, would always stop and exchange pleasantries whenever I'd see her in a club, even though we both knew her floor was higher than my ceiling (most times anyway, but a few, on a slow night... 1000 dhs a bargain for her [i]experience[/i]). An "until dementia" regret that I didn't pull her sooner when she was just starting out; they do remember those who were nice back then. Just make sure she understands the deal: price, when you'll pay, departure time (sounds like menu not so important to you). PERHAPS an investment in the future... Worst case, at least you'll KNOW...

[QUOTE=11Bravo; 1321947]You write a very entertaining FR; thanks for a fun read.

Don't take it personal; just remember, it's [u]business[/u].[/QUOTE]Thanks 11B for reviewing my post and compliments regarding the entertaining FR and all. Senior Advise is most welcome and I am getting it in abundance from you. I am giving back as good as I get from the forum and happy to note that already some mongers are going to put some of my observations to use (just like I have done before.).

[QUOTE=BoyToy;1321915]Personally, though 2000 AED is affordable for me I feel it is quite a lot of money for these girls and probably not worth it. But what I have observed in the club is that there are people out there who are willing to pay that money and hence there girls would not come down. Lesson learned by visiting premier.[/QUOTE]I have noticed that Premiere is frequented by 'Local' teenagers and youngsters with money to throw. They could be the ones spoiling the WGs out of bargaining. I have observed this for may years. This is MHO.

just a few more updates on the situation broadway hotel. i actually drove there this morning and can confirmed its closed (entrance taped shut). anyways, talked to by buddy at the front desk and he mentioned the authorities have shut them down for a month (apparently to teach them a lesson). so good news, and i'm looking forward to returning there soon. my buddy mentioned that they might open earlier if they negotiate their violations and pay all the fines.

anyways, i went over to regal plaza hotel and can reconfirm that it is now green as mentioned below. i saw a few of the cis refugees from broadway there. i didn't even both going to reception to register "my guest". i just told her my room number and she showed up five minutes later. maybe she has connections in the hotel? anyways, the rooms are pretty crappy and the hotel is truly a dump.

just a clarification on moscow hotel, the hotel is not closed as i mentioned earlier. one of the broadway refugees explained the hotel's story. le busted them about a month ago with girls under 21 in the hotel in a sting operation. because of prior violations with **** risk, the hotel management has turned the hotel from green to red. i can't confirm this personally as i don't frequent red square or the hotel itself.

[QUOTE=Punter 101;1322129]Anyways, I went over to Regal Plaza Hotel and can reconfirm that it is now GREEN as mentioned below. I saw a few of the CIS refugees from broadway there. I didn't even both going to reception to register "my guest". I just told her my room number and she showed up five minutes later. Maybe she has connections in the hotel? Anyways, the rooms are pretty crappy and the hotel is truly a dump.[/QUOTE]Wow, I plan to use this hotel again and let me try your method. No WoS at all. Way to go. BTW did you try any food in the hotel? Its even worse! LOL.

Hi Guys. So far all I've had are massage, followed by HJ. Always proper licensed massage parlours, sometimes with Groupon deals, and interestingly they ALL offer a happy ending, generally for 100 Dhm. Usually 150 (or less with a deal) for 1 hour Thai massage, although the quality varies but there is a place behind MoE which does a fantastic job using knees, elbows, hands and back walking. Never had any offer of more than an HJ so I need to try harder to find some of the places you guys get more from.

Anyway I was in Red Square Thurs night, it was crowded and there were some stunning looking CIS. I was severely tempted and really pissed which didn't help LOL! Asked a couple of CIS the price and 2000 was the quote, this was around 2am, no discount contemplated, they wouldn't talk about it. Ended up with a very pretty Kenyan girl and (I thought) negotiated to 700 for the night at my place (I'm in a new estate out near Springs). Got in the taxi and she asked if I had condoms, answer was no so we stopped at a petrol station and I got some. Got to my place & I paid the driver and nipped into the house for a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], she was chatting to the driver. She came in and said it was 800 and then if I gave her 1000 she wouldn't ask for taxi fare. Anyway after loads of back and forth I eventually agreed and then she wanted the money up front, no way thinks I, remembering about hump and jump from this forum. Outcome was she had the taxi waiting and just left when I wouldn't pay.

This was about 0315 so no chance of a double header for her, she had a good 40 min taxi drive to get back and she lost out on money. Question is what did I do wrong to 'scare' her off? I wasn't aggressive, I was pissed but not memory failure bad.

[QUOTE=Misha Rastov;1322458]Where did I go wrong?[/QUOTE]You weren't drunk enough for [u]HER[/u] plan to work out.

[QUOTE=Misha Rastov;1322458]So far all I've had are massage, followed by HJ.[/QUOTE]You really should get out more, as in "to the bars". Don't let 1 bad experience put you off.

[QUOTE=Misha Rastov;1322458]I was severely tempted and really pissed which didn't help[/QUOTE]Stumbling around drunk = flashing "Rip Me Off" sign on your forehead.

[QUOTE=Misha Rastov;1322458]Got in the taxi and she asked if I had condoms, answer was no so we stopped at a petrol station and I got some.[/QUOTE]It's been said MANY times before: the girls don't carry condoms due to LE stops. It's up to [b]you[/b] to provide.

[QUOTE=Misha Rastov;1322458]Ended up with a very pretty Kenyan girl and (I thought) negotiated to 700 for the night at my place (I'm in a new estate out near Springs). Got to my place & I paid the driver and nipped into the house for a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], she was chatting to the driver. She came in and said it was 800 and then if I gave her 1000 she wouldn't ask for taxi fare. Anyway after loads of back and forth I eventually agreed and then she wanted the money up front, no way thinks I, remembering about hump and jump from this forum. Outcome was she had the taxi waiting and just left when I wouldn't pay.[/QUOTE][list][*]Mistake 1: she remains in the taxi, talking to driver.
[i]Translation: Planning on ripping you off; driver would stay close, you'd pay first, she'd leave; driver has quick return-to-city fare. [/i]

[*]Mistake 2: Agreeing to an increase on home arrival. You already SHOULD have a deal (see below).
[i]Translation: She's looking to maximize her profit on the rip-off. [/i]

[*]Mistake 3: Not confirming deal (price, time of departure, menu) in bar, getting a verbal agreement from her BEFORE leaving bar.
[i]Translation: Since the "deal" [b]COULD[/b] be considered "open", and with a drunk punter, just an invitation for abuse. [/i]

[*]Mistake 4: Keeping a straight face when she quoted 200 dhs taxi return fare (1000 - 800).
[i]Translation: She's looking to MAXIMIZE her profit on the rip-off. You know what the taxi fare is. You paying 200 dhs 1 way? [/i]

[*]Mistake 5: Did not specify "Pay After" [b]IN THE BAR[/b]. THEN, back at your place, if she changes the deal, you can "remind" her she agreed to "pay after", so no change required.
[i]Translation: Since you've been eventually agreeing to her previous "requests", now time to set the hook with the Pay Now request for the BIG pay day. [/i]

[*]You finally played it right by NOT agreeing to the pay before, saving yourself.[/list]
[QUOTE=Misha Rastov;1322458]Question is what did I do wrong to 'scare' her off? I wasn't aggressive, I was pissed but not memory failure bad.[/QUOTE]Like I said up top, she never planned to fulfill the contract, or perhaps 1 shot, then watch the drunk fall asleep, so she could leave. You think the taxi was waiting "by chance". She'd told the driver she'd be leaving shortly, so it was worth his time to stick around instead of dead-heading back. The only thing that "scared her off" was you coming to your senses and refusing to pay. She just got greedy, took "1 step too far", and lost the deal. But her plan all along was to rip you off (staying in taxi to coordinate the get-away, jacking up the rates, wanting money up front).

Consider yourself LUCKY. She could have left "arms full" if she'd stayed until you'd fallen asleep (taxi driver wasn't going anywhere).

Next time: confirm everything (price, menu, departure time, PAY AFTER) IN THE BAR, and get a VERBAL agreement from her BEFORE LEAVING. Since you live a long way outside town, make it clear to her where you live, and tell her you'll pay (or drive) her home the next morning. Take the average taxi fare, and up it by 20-30 dhs. Just realize that you will have a "take home" handicap living that far outside town.

A friend of mine visiting from the UK wanted to drop by a good watering hole. I was the one in charge of taking him to a good place –rather the pimp for the night LOL. He had visited Premiere (too expensive) and York (too cheap) last time and was not happy with both places. So then where else but Regal? Well off we went with a couple of friends and reached there around 0030hrs. Once inside the club he wanted to reserve a table. Checked with the hot waitress (Man she got attitude in that uniform – should give her a whip too.) and she said need to buy bottles and they'll do anything (reserve a table only unfortunately Ha ha). All tables looked as though they were taken but in reality it was empty tables raided by the WGs and converted into offices. Not knowing this we first booked a table near the band and the waitress called the bouncer to chase away the trailer trash. While observing the evictions we asked what about those vantage point seats in the middle of the club? Bouncer says 'yeah why not'? Wow liked the service! So off we went to the middle of the action and pointed at a table we liked. A couple of A-Listers were shoo shoo'the away from the table and we were treated like Royalty. Aaah I was enjoying the attention. Suddenly everyone was taking notice of the new boys on the block. I see a qualitative difference in me sitting in a dark corner and getting quotes vs. Being all loud and big. The merchandise comes to you with hat in hand with the quotes! Some of the best of WGs in Regal came and stood by us offering smiles and winks with their proposals. I did the chatting and getting quotes (Pimping LOL) as my friends were busy getting drunk. Can't remember the names and faces of all WGs but all quotes were 1000. However, I specifically remember a chick who looked like Jennifer Aniston who was from Turkey LOL. I didn't do the bargaining as today there was no plan to pull only get drunk. After getting bored sitting I excused myself and started a walk around saying hi to the not so signify-cunts in the club. My ulterior motive was to find that Romanian chick Rogi I am so obsessed with. Ahhh there she was standing pretty with the translator chick #1. Today the Male / female ratio was 3/7! Strange for a Saturday. But theoretically looks right for recession time. So, the attention we got from the WG populace was way beyond. Since today I was not pulling and stayed late into the night I noticed that many high enders just end up like that – high and dry. The Romanian contingent was also stuck with no business. It was 0200hrs. And all the girls were still in their positions. I kinda liked it – serves them right for letting me down so many times – Bo ha ha ha Evil Laugh.

After saying hi and talking sweet nothings to Rogi who did not understand a thing I said other than 'Hi' I assume LOL, I walk over to Translator chick #1 who knows me too very well by now, welcomes me with a very receptive welcome smile. After pleasantries exchanged – I quote 700. 00 for Rogi knowing that she will flatly refuse and I don't care anyway. She counters with why not 800. 00 WOW – did she hear me now? WTF I stand my ground and say no 700. 00. Then she says OK! (Hear that 11B?) oh my oh my why is that she has to agree for my price today when I am not planning on pulling. Boo hoo. Hoo. So, I straighten up and get realistic with Translator #1 and explain my story. I am with some goddamn VIP friends today who are busy getting drunk and we are not planning on pulling. However, I will be dropping by tomorrow with a room and can you please please give me this price? After enjoying my honest talk she agrees WOW I already have a hard on. LOL. So, I take her name and number. (she refused to give her number in encounters before) Translator chick #1 name is Alina. The other names of the contingent who are standing in a row are Alisha and Victoria. I then thank her and leave her personal space.

When I was making a second sorti past the Romanian air space Alina calls me to her. I oblige and check why. She drops her proud mask and meekly asks in a matter of fact if I can please give her AED 20. 00 for taxi. This is for the delegation to go home now because its past 0200. I really felt sorry for her and her team when she all of a sudden begged me for such small amount because all throughout she put a stone faced proud brave 'Berlin Wall' attitude (which kinda made her look sexy). It must have taken a lot for her to remove that attitude and become humble pie. All those sad stories written in the forum regarding WGs and their own problems flashed through my mind instantly. I personally hate to see any girl drop her pride for whatever reason. They look so hot when they have this pride however empty it might be (all guys know its empty.). Truly I think it adds to their natural beauty. I quickly gave her the AED 20. 00 and I hope she will remember me well for this 'good deed' at a 'time of need' with no strings attached. Or strings attached? – You decide folks Ha ha ha ha. She thanked me and they all immediately left the club after that.

We left for the day after the lights were on. The WGs who were standing around our table looking good clinging to the arms of my friends hoping and wishing for business were very disappointed. I didn't spoil the Vegas Casino like atmosphere by breaking the news to the girls that today is no pull day.

Will let you know my adventure with the Romanian chick if it works out. Good day, bye and out.

[QUOTE=The Silent One;1322102]I have noticed that Premiere is frequented by 'Local' teenagers and youngsters with money to throw. They could be the ones spoiling the WGs out of bargaining. I have observed this for may years. This is MHO.[/QUOTE]In Premiere club, some of the WGs have told me that all the gals there regardless of ethnicity are quoting either AED 1500 or 2000 as they assumed everybody going into Premier club are either rich Arabs or rich short term tourists to Dubai. However I found that it is possible some of the time to negotiate for a lower price if I mention to them that I am an expatriate and have been living in UAE for a few years. Staying in a green and clean hotel that they are comfortable with also helps to bring their prices down.

By the way, if the gals give you a price that exceed AED2500, it means that they are not interested to take up your business at all. Hence it is their polite way to say please buzz off. The gals there can be very selective of their customer sometimes. LOL.

[QUOTE=11Bravo; 1322617]Consider yourself LUCKY. She could have left "arms full" if she'd stayed until you'd fallen asleep (taxi driver wasn't going anywhere).

Next time: confirm everything (price, menu, departure time, PAY AFTER) IN THE BAR, and get a VERBAL agreement from her BEFORE LEAVING. Since you live a long way outside town, make it clear to her where you live, and tell her you'll pay (or drive) her home the next morning. Take the average taxi fare, and up it by 20-30 dhs. Just realize that you will have a "take home" handicap living that far outside town.[/QUOTE]11B I very much appreciate your fulsome reply. Yes I figured I'd pretty much screwed up but I wasn't going to pay prior.

Thank you.