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[QUOTE=Prosal;1374909]IMO being TOO "genteman" in bed is just as bad as being too rude and selfish. In my experience, Slavic women like sex a bit rough and dirty (with the right dose of sensuality at the right moments).[/QUOTE]A real gentleman "reads" the woman and situation, adjusts his approach and actions accordingly. You must not be like these UA men that don't care for their women. Treat the women good, give them some attention and affection. The reward will be just as pleasant.

Of course you can get rough and dirty, but IMO it is her that must decide this, not you.

Our basic task is to have so much sex as possible with these sexually-starved women and satisfy their basic needs, both sexually and financially.

Happy hunting in 2013!

Rune J.

[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1375095]Fully agree, you completed my description of these wonderful creatures. DATY while fingering them way in, curved up as in 'come here' almost guarantees hitting their G spot and making them squirt over your face (which I love!) , and you become God to them. Once they discover that they can cum 10+ times, they belong to you. You wanting to keep the same girl over and over. Well, that is your decision, I am a ****, I like variety. You see nice restaurants with just guys at the tables: they don't invite their women, they don't have to. The competition for men in UA is ferocious so they don't give a dam. When we treat them well, they do in fact fall in love. I know because among other things, they give you their asses, which I adore. Way to go Rune, we may have been educated by the same girls![/QUOTE]Thank you PedroToronja!

I think we are the same when it comes to be an "gentleman" and thinking / approach towards UA women. I have only been with a few women in UA, but if things start to escalate like they have so far, it will be better years to come.

I don't want to be insult anybody, but UA boys (not men) don't realize what kind of "sexmachines / sexmaniacs" their women are. If they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. Unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. It takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.

Maybe we could meet for a beer or drink sometime and exchange some info.

Happy hunting in 2013!

Rune J.

[QUOTE=Rune J; 1375146]A real gentleman "reads" the woman and situation, adjusts his approach and actions accordingly. You must not be like these UA men that don't care for their women. Treat the women good, give them some attention and affection. The reward will be just as pleasant.

Of course you can get rough and dirty, but IMO it is her that must decide this, not you.

Our basic task is to have so much sex as possible with these sexually-starved women and satisfy their basic needs, both sexually and financially.[/QUOTE]Ok, ok, so you want a little pillow talk after sex, you want to be a gentleman, you want to let her decide, ect ect. Well how quaint. Excuse me while I blow chunks. Your childish and lyric little ode is cute, and I understand that all that is new for you (and I respect your refreshing enthousiasm) , but let me tell you something. Being perceived as mischevious / bad / unpredicatable / exciting is MUCH more advantageous than to be perceived as a predictable and boring "Mr Nice Guy". And about "UA men" as you put it, there is aspects of the slav game that the slavic female is groomed to like and most importantly RESPECT, like being manly, direct, uncompromising and even cruel sometimes (by our standards). Of course you need to combine it with the qualities like humour, intelligence, culture, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments, ect, but adopting some of the local playing rules is GREAT for your game.

And when it comes to relationship, the dirty little secret of this part of the world is that you can have some little cute adventures with Russian women without acting like a (nice) brute, but she will never really respect you if you don't. Those women want to be dominated. They like wild action. They want that a man call the shots. They want to be played with. Then you can act like an sleazy ass, be drunk and whatever, but still will take what's yours (her). And she will love you for it!

[QUOTE=Rune J;1375153]If they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. Unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. It takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.[/QUOTE]Come on. Local guys are admittedly maybe not very considerate and delicate in bed, but they know their women. Why do you think that in FSU a lot of fucking goes on in building's stairs (beside the fact that many local guys their own flat) or that club's bathroom bangs are a must (WHAT, you have been in a club with your girl and you have not dragged her by the belt to fuck her in the toilets?). It's because Russian (or ukrainian for that matter) girls simply won't understand that her man has no desire to pull up her dress, bend her over, and take her from behind standing up in the stairs or the toilets for a quick bonk.

I remember a girl at a club in Chisinau who came to talk to me at the bar and who later confessed that she tought I was gay simply because we talked for ten minutes before I grabbed her by the neck to frenchkiss her. She found this too long. Way too long. That is how those women are. Wild. And for a fun and hot adventure, they prefer similarly wild guys to undecided and delicate "gentlemen".

[quote=rune j;1375153]if they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. it takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.[/quote]come on. local guys are admittedly maybe not very considerate and delicate in bed, but they know their women. why do you think that in fsu a lot of fucking goes on in building's stairs (beside the fact that many local guys don't have their own flat) or that club's bathroom bangs are a must (what, you have been in a club with your girl and you have not dragged her by the belt to fuck her in the toilets? in russia that is limit unpatriotic). it's because russian (or ukrainian for that matter) girls simply won't understand that her man has no desire to pull up her dress, bend her over, and take her from behind standing up in the stairs or the toilets for a quick bonk.

i remember a girl at a club in chisinau who came to talk to me at the bar and who later confessed that she tought i was gay simply because we talked for ten minutes before i grabbed her by the neck to frenchkiss her. she found this too long. way too long. that is how those women are. wild. and for a fun and hot adventure, they prefer similarly wild guys to undecided and delicate "gentlemen". if you act like a mr nice guy or like a delicate therapeutic assistant, they might want to be with you for the emotional security or whatever, but they won't really understand nor respect your behavior, and you will definitely nor be the kind of guy with who they'd want want a hot and fast fling with.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1375000].

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It does get very good Reviews on.

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All of their Apartments are in one complex with 24 / h reception. This is more than a plus point for me, if I opt for an Apartment on a longer stay in Kiev.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1375063]There is actually or at least there used to be. You do sort of need a car, most taxi drivers will just take you to an apartment. The scene used to be centered past Victory Square heading out from the center and around the McDs past the bridge that the Boat used to be at. It's been about 5 or 6 years since I've witnessed it first hand, so my information might be more than a bit dated.

There is no information about that scene here because 95% of the people using this board for real information and actually go to Kiev don't make it past Buddha Bar, D'Lux, Shooters, etc. Not to say there is anything outstanding about the street walker scene. From what I witnessed one in twenty or so girls where 5's and above. I don't know if the internet killed the street walker scene in Kiev like it has in most of the Western world. Long departed ISG member Travel Male also took me on a brief tour of the street walker scene in Kharkov in 2006.[/QUOTE]Where you went to is still an active site. There are two locations right by each of the last two metro stops on the Left Bank line, namely Chernigovska and Lesnaya. It is strictly low class, very cheap talent that inhabits the area near the overpass / underpass along the main road, Brovarsky Prospect. This really is strictly for locals since this is a car pickup trade and then they ride off to find a quiet location to do the deed and then return the girl to the original spot. Mostly BJs.

However, chances are excellent that none of these girls will speak anything but Ukrainian or Russian. They are not ones anyone from this forum would really want to touch, lots of alcoholic and drug types. Unless you are local, it is not safe (most especially if police are about) , you need a car and you need to speak the language and know your way around. This low-rent sex exists but only for the locals.

You don't realize Ukrainian women are sex machines because their men treat them as shit, and Western women are shit because their men treat them as goddess. I never met a woman who stays with me because I am a gentleman, everywhere. I think your reports are the usual mental masturbations that I am reading for years and years.

There was a point in my present relationship in which my fuckfriend were arguing with me about the usual feminine non-sense, and I was worried about the usual break, and I replied her "I know exactly Russian men treat Russian women in Russia, I know Russian men never pay anything to Russian women, I know Russian women make everything for pleasing to their men, and even they sometimes pay their men to stay with." and she became a kitty until now. You should understand, she behave in that way because I said the truth that "put her shoulders against a wall".

And it is really sad to read those reports again and again: the explanation is your fuckfriends want to fuck you for some logic reasons but different from gentleman style, it is sure!

Do night clubs allow to enter just as "man" or I need to bring a girl with me. I am going to Kiev in a week I read most 40-50 pages but I didn't see this information afaik not sure.

Thanks to everyone for their help in the past posts.

Prosal and Uke Boy +1.

Uke, posters will still complain that 'no one posted any information about the street walker scene'. You pretty much laid it all out as you have in the past. Some of the lazy f's on this website want 'Getting Laid for Dummies' with pictures.

Everyone else. -1.

B11, only if you are going to a swingers club. Have you ever been to a nightclub before in your life? Face control likes pretty girls because they bring in the men with money.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1375885]Prosal and Uke Boy +1.

Uke, posters will still complain that 'no one posted any information about the street walker scene'.[/QUOTE]Fuck off Cruiser D ;)

Seriously, I think the posts here recently have been the most interesting in a while. Will they help the casual visitor? Probably not. Will they help the potential hunter? Most decidedly yes.

UA is obviously a completely different world than the mongering destinations I have gone to. I have fucked girls in many places in the world. I am looking forward to this challenge.

That said, I am currently talking with a 31 year old MILF. I had not planned to go that old, but she looks great. She asked me what I wanted. I told her I wanted to have fun. She told me she wanted a husband. I told her to take it or leave it. She now tells me she wants to have fun.

Bad boys win all over the world. The key really is confidence-to decide when to play the nice card and when to be the bad boy. It takes practice. I have only recently started to get better at it (last few years).

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1375952]Bad boys win all over the world. The key really is confidence-to decide when to play the nice card and when to be the bad boy. It takes practice. I have only recently started to get better at it (last few years).[/QUOTE]Right on. What definitely scores big time is to be able to go from bad boy to sentimental in a heartbeat. Switching gears goes a long way with slavic women, both in conversation, flirting and in bed. Keeps them guessing. It's so self-evident that it's like autopilot for me.

All this "gentleman" BS below is just nonsense. Be bad, but don't be rude. Rude they don't like, but they do like games.

BTW Rune J, you should learn that anything that a woman (ANY woman) says must been taken with an grain of salt. The same ukrainian girl who will explain you how uninteresting and dull are the local men and how brilliant you are, will maybe, two days after your departure, have a quick bonk standing up in the stairs of her building with Dimitri or Sergei. Hmm. It is so obvious that I don't even know why I bother to explain it.

[QUOTE=MertBlade88; 1375072]Is this website reliable?

[url]http://escort-models.com/[/url][/QUOTE]In Mamba I am reeiving messages from girls with this web site. Who has updated I formation if reliable And girls quality? Mabe is this intim a Mamba competition?

[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1375982]In Mamba I am reeiving messages from girls with this web site. Who has updated I formation if reliable And girls quality? Mabe is this intim a Mamba competition?[/QUOTE]They probably are the owners of the agency rather than the girls. Some of the pics from that site I could not find but some of the pics are of well known porn "actresses."

For example the pictures of Anzhelka are actually: http://www.ftvangels.com/models/larysa.html

Clearly fake pictures. Maybe some are real? Personally, I am all for paying for sex but I am not going to pay for a BJ with a condom.

[QUOTE=Borubudun11; 1375479]Do night clubs allow to enter just as "man" or I need to bring a girl with me. I am going to Kiev in a week I read most 40-50 pages but I didn't see this information afaik not sure.

Thanks to everyone for their help in the past posts.[/QUOTE]Most bars mentioned in this forum are for mongering purpose or put other way glorified brothels. There is no point in asking you to bring a girl in a pickup joint. There are a few bars mentioned here who have substantial civilian population but again no one ever stopped me.