Seoul

Hi all,

Thank you for all the info that you all give. I'm new to all of this and I'm visiting Seoul this week. I hear about strip salons and I became interested in it. I was wondering if you all have ever used this particular company before? And if you've been to a strip salon before, how was your experience?

Just an observation, but I've noticed that shops no longer ask for references.

A few years ago I was regularly asked to provide the names of other businesses I had already visited. Presumably this was so that the new places could do a background check.

However, in the last 6 to 12 months, I have not received a single request for references. Is this just a sign of the changing times? Or maybe, true to their word, Hyugetels no longer keep any private, customer contact info on hand. Maybe there's no longer a database of customer info that they can reference.

Have any of you been asked to provide references lately?

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2719375]Have any of you been asked to provide references lately?[/QUOTE]From what I hear from Korean hobby sites, there's been waves of huge busts for Op's and hyugaetels for past month. What happens is that these OPs circulate a big database of contacts and screening info and when cops bust OPs, they take these dbs and track down Johns and get confessions out of pressuring and questionings.

For that reason, many of OPs and Hyugaetels may be reluctant to do screenings as before, but I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=Oopsboy;2716864]Hey Mander,
While I understand that Anmas and Gunmas can hide behind the massage businesses they operate, how do the Kiss Bangs qualify as legit businesses. What do they window dress their operations as?

Cheers!

OB.[/QUOTE]They can't bust people for kissing. Unless they catch them balls deep in the girls, or they confess to sex services, they can't charge people for simply kissing and making out, even as paid services. Kissing is not a prostitution and jails would be packed otherwise.

Perhaps this could be a good opportunity for people wanting to get in with these orgs to get their foot in the door right now?

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2719375]Just an observation, but I've noticed that shops no longer ask for references.

A few years ago I was regularly asked to provide the names of other businesses I had already visited. Presumably this was so that the new places could do a background check.

However, in the last 6 to 12 months, I have not received a single request for references. Is this just a sign of the changing times? Or maybe, true to their word, Hyugetels no longer keep any private, customer contact info on hand. Maybe there's no longer a database of customer info that they can reference.

Have any of you been asked to provide references lately?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustForFun1111;2720001]Perhaps this could be a good opportunity for people wanting to get in with these orgs to get their foot in the door right now?[/QUOTE]This is sadly not a good time for new people to get into these orgs as they only accept clientele they have had before. They might not pick up your phone call at all.

Some people have been mentioning databases (DB's) and these are indeed databases for adult businesses that have verified phone numbers so that they could weed out police / accept good clientele as well as blacklist bad guests.

DB's are commonly shared between places a lot of places.

It seems that those who don't ask for references might already have their info on the DB or as BonJovi mentioned, they might have deleted their DB and are on their way to rebuilding one.

And as always always call for best results and best safety procedures or use telegram!

I'll be in Seoul again next week. Its been a while since I mongered. Last time maybe a year ago, I was able to find a willing participant at the Yongdeungpo RLD. I used to have luck with hyugyetels, but even a year ago, after many calls, I had no luck.

Does the hill have anything going on? Are non gyopo foreigners getting into any Anmas lately? As a last resort, who on Massage Republic is good?

Looking for any advice, thanks!

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2719375]Just an observation, but I've noticed that shops no longer ask for references.

A few years ago I was regularly asked to provide the names of other businesses I had already visited. Presumably this was so that the new places could do a background check.

However, in the last 6 to 12 months, I have not received a single request for references. Is this just a sign of the changing times? Or maybe, true to their word, Hyugetels no longer keep any private, customer contact info on hand. Maybe there's no longer a database of customer info that they can reference.

Have any of you been asked to provide references lately?[/QUOTE]One of the recent news stories about the crackdowns specifically mentioned that the person running one, who got busted, was trying to avoid the police using a database, and that the police got the contact info of 8000 men and booked 200 of them without detention. So, I'd venture to say database is still something at some places.

Anyway, there is a woman on MR who keeps making profiles who is some Filipino scammer. You can tell her various profiles cause her English is terrible and her posts are very vulgar, using really degrading words to explain her apparent services. She'll ask for a deposit and will provide no proof that she's the pictured person. Avoid.

Anyone know if these crackdowns extend to Anmas also?

[QUOTE=Iseoulu;2720296]One of the recent news stories about the crackdowns specifically mentioned that the person running one, who got busted, was trying to avoid the police using a database, and that the police got the contact info of 8000 men and booked 200 of them without detention. So, I'd venture to say database is still something at some places.

Anyway, there is a woman on MR who keeps making profiles who is some Filipino scammer. You can tell her various profiles cause her English is terrible and her posts are very vulgar, using really degrading words to explain her apparent services. She'll ask for a deposit and will provide no proof that she's the pictured person. Avoid.[/QUOTE]

Interesting thread. Just finished reading the past 50 pages as I will be visiting next spring. I plan to try to learn some Korean between now and then but it sounds like it will be an uphill battle for a white foreigner. Was hoping to have a new great experience nearly every day. Will keep researching and see how it goes. Excited.

[QUOTE=Iseoulu;2720296]One of the recent news stories about the crackdowns specifically mentioned that the person running one, who got busted, was trying to avoid the police using a database, and that the police got the contact info of 8000 men and booked 200 of them without detention. So, I'd venture to say database is still something at some places.[/QUOTE]You meant the police summoned 200 Johns from that Database for questioning?

I thought unless they bust you balls deep with a provider, even with your contact in that database police can't get any proof to support your arrest.

I arrived in Seoul a couple of days ago. I feel the services on opstar, particularly the expensive ones, are open to non korean Asians as long as you are willing to fork over the dough. I contacted a VVIP listing via telegram and just communicated with him using papago translations. Booked a girl with the profile of "former idol who debuted and currently actress doing minor roles". When he called to verify I told him I couldn't speak Korean, then he immediately switched to English communication in telegram (poorly translated of course). She was pretty but no way worth what I paid. Now the operator can't stop dming me to make another booking.

Although t expensive it sounds like you had at least a good first experience. Pretty good for not speaking Korean and your first time. I am interested in possibly trying out a VIP service myself. Do you mind sharing how much you paid and what services were offered? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Drakanx;2720629]I arrived in Seoul a couple of days ago. I feel the services on opstar, particularly the expensive ones, are open to non Korean Asians as long as you are willing to fork over the dough. I contacted a VIP listing via telegram and just communicated with him using papago translations. Booked a girl with the profile of "former idol who debuted and currently actress doing minor roles". When he called to verify I told him I couldn't speak Korean, then he immediately switched to English communication in telegram (poorly translated of course). She was pretty but no way worth what I paid. Now the operator can't stop dming me to make another booking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustForFun1111;2720715]Although t expensive it sounds like you had at least a good first experience. Pretty good for not speaking Korean and your first time. I am interested in possibly trying out a VIP service myself. Do you mind sharing how much you paid and what services were offered? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The girl was listed at 1. 5 M. Basic course is 80 minutes and 1 shot. I went with the double course which is 100 minutes and 2 shots for an extra 150 K.

[QUOTE=Drakanx;2720629]I arrived in Seoul a couple of days ago. I feel the services on opstar, particularly the expensive ones, are open to non Korean Asians as long as you are willing to fork over the dough. I contacted a VIP listing via telegram and just communicated with him using papago translations. Booked a girl with the profile of "former idol who debuted and currently actress doing minor roles". When he called to verify I told him I couldn't speak Korean, then he immediately switched to English communication in telegram (poorly translated of course). She was pretty but no way worth what I paid. Now the operator can't stop dming me to make another booking.[/QUOTE]I was also able to gain access to VIPs with the assistance of a friend. It's great that foreigners can get into VIPs, but I hope the randoms who read this forum don't ruin it for the rest of us by being rude, disrespectful, and so on. I've heard that once a foreigner does that, these establishments become hesitant to accept foreign customers for months, if at all, which is why I'm hesitant to share information on an open forum because one person can ruin it for everyone else.

I believe RainMania's posts sums it up well.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2702530]There's are several reasons why people are reluctant to share their golden spots.

What tends to happen is once a place of service is shared on a forum like this, it will usually get flooded with foreigners in the short term. Yes, that may sound good for the establishment in theory, but remember the establishment usually has a roster of women who probably have no interest in servicing foreigners, so the one (or few) girl (s) there who do will end up getting swamped in no time, burning them out and causing them to either stop working or stop seeing us.

The other thing is once you share the location of a place, you have no power over what other people who now have this information get to do with it. They'll share it with people they know, and if snowballs from there. Most Korean establishments operate on the basis of anonymity and inconspicuousness, they're there, but they're not supposed to be visible or easily identifiable. So when there is a sudden deluge of dudes who are clearly not locals constant entering and leaving a location, it speaks volumes to (a) local customers and (b) regular civilians who would no doubt notice the trend. Neither is what the establishment would want.

The third reason is some people just don't know how to behave. Yes, Korean men can misbehave and get banned from an establishment, but that establishment wouldn't ban all Koreans from visiting. Our relatively low numbers compared to locals means these places can literally afford to not have us serviced. One foreigner acting up could mean we all get tainted with the same brush, leaving the girl / establishment with the mindset that foreigners aren't worth the hassle. Why deal with foreigners in the first place when 99% of your clientele are locals who are willing to pay your rates?

Then there are the foreigners who don't mind spending money as if they're throwing confetti. This is especially true for those of us who frequent part timers and independent girls. I remember one poster here years back admitting he told the OG legendary service provider Sarah that her rates were too low and that she should charge higher. Naturally she followed his advice and her rates roughly doubled yearly after that till she retired and left the scene, this was right around the time MR girls figured they could charge 300 k+ KRW and get away with it. Even now we still have posts from guys willing to spend thousands of dollars on what they could probably get for 10-20% of what they're willing to spend.

So, yes some of us through extensive legwork have managed to find golden places and diamonds in the rough, but I wouldn't begrudge anyone who isn't willing to share info with strangers and those who don't have similar intel to exchange.[/QUOTE]