East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=RebelLeader;2151599]Back in Shanghai in 2 weeks. Always love hitting the bars so I'm pleased Manhattan is back open after recent LE activity.

Hitting the dating apps already and one contact in Badoo (non Asian) asked for 4000 for 60 minutes.

Fucking hell thata crazy money although she is super fucking hot. But can't justify the costs for 60 minutes.

So what's the going rate in Judys and Manhattan at the moment.

In the past I've aceraged about 1300 for all night. Most recent the smoking hot pool player Tina from Judys. Sure some people here have met her to.

Anyway looking forward to being back in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]My experience is prices are between 1000-1200 if you got good negotiating skills bear in mind not all will talk that rate. Usually the younger and more attractive ones want double that rate. Be ready to walk away and stick to your budget.

[QUOTE=RebelLeader;2151599]Back in Shanghai in 2 weeks. Always love hitting the bars so I'm pleased Manhattan is back open after recent LE activity.

Hitting the dating apps already and one contact in Badoo (non Asian) asked for 4000 for 60 minutes.

Fucking hell thata crazy money although she is super fucking hot. But can't justify the costs for 60 minutes.

So what's the going rate in Judys and Manhattan at the moment.

In the past I've aceraged about 1300 for all night. Most recent the smoking hot pool player Tina from Judys. Sure some people here have met her to.

Anyway looking forward to being back in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]I was there about a month ago. Judy's was too loud so we didn't stay. Manhattan girls were asking 1000ST and 2000 LT. I am sure you could negotiate it down, but to me that is a great price for what you get, so I didn't try. Best to go ST and extend to LT in room if you like. I did ST extended to LT first time then just ST the next night because I didn't have an LT in me.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2131489]Ok so I'm not going to Judys again this trip but this is what I've learned. I was at judys and manhattans 4 nights this trip and averaged 2 girls a night for 3/4. I also got fussy my last night. And didn't care if I went home alone or not. So I asked a lot of girls their best price for fun

I found a lot of girls willing to go for the samcan 1000 2 pop rule. I found a good number of 22-26 YO that would not. Last night I was searching for a deal with a cutie and there were none that would deal These girls were hot but none were stand outs over others that agreed to my price. their prices ranged from 1000-1500 for one pop short time. Ymmv. this was 3 am in the morning. I was told once at judys that at 4 am it's a feeding frenzy when all the girls are trying to get a guy and the discounts begin. I've never stayed that long as I never thought it worth it. Maybe these 3 am girls were on their second round so they were more fussy. I've done better on deals early in the night when all the girls are there.

I'm 50 bald and a 34/35 waist. Not fat but by no means an attractive stud that all the girls would prefer. Some say the girls prefer older men as we can't pop as many times and are easier on the merchandise. I'm losing my MOJO (haha) as some girls (about 2%)wouldn't even let me catch their eye.

Girls in their 30's get less business and are willing to take the deal. Some are surprised when I come through on my end.

So there you have it 1000 is possible. I even got one at 800 this trip. She was hot but had a couple bad days and wanted cash. Most girls will drop from 1500 to 1200 most of them will go 1000. It's up to you if the 1500 RMB girls are worth the variance. I think I spoke to at least 10 girls that night and only one stuck to her guns at 1500 she wasn't that special either[/QUOTE]Rebel Leader,

I posted this a month ago. Some girls will want the high and not give, some will go the low. I saw no difference in the quality of the girl. 1000-1500 is the range for ST. If you don't like the price at 1500 walk away. It probably also matters if you're 300 lbs or not.

These are guidelines but it does give you an idea of the target.

Sorry, I never do all night. I like sleeping alone.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2151898]Rebel Leader,

I posted this a month ago. Some girls will want the high and not give, some will go the low. I saw no difference in the quality of the girl. 1000-1500 is the range for ST. If you don't like the price at 1500 walk away. It probably also matters if you're 300 lbs or not.

These are guidelines but it does give you an idea of the target.

Sorry, I never do all night. I like sleeping alone.[/QUOTE]Yes. It is coming back to me now, after SamCan comment. It was 3000 LT and 1500ST, not 2 k and 1 k. Again I am so thrilled with Manhattan as something that actually exists I wasn't paying that much attention!

P.S. I am now in the ST only camp with SamCan. I had not done a LT, but I really liked this girl so I extended. Did two pops beforE bedtime and one in the AM so that was great. And it was nice cuddling and hearing her softly breathing while she slept. But the combination of jet lag and the fact that I usually sleep alone, I didn't get much sleep. So glad I did it but would probably not repeat the LT.

I am thinking about flying a former ATF to Shanghai for 3 days, 2 nights. I used to pay her 1000 for ST and 2000 for LT. I'll reimburse her flights, but how much more should I give her? Is 10,000 too much, which is essentially 5000 for two LTs? I'm obviously trying to compensate her for all the traveling she'll have to do. Anyone know the pricing for this? Anyone have any experience doing this?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2150026]Unfortunately I missed the sauna hey day, but I have to say I don't understand why folks are sneaking into seedy hotels or paying huge prices for shady mediocre stuff when you could go to Manhattan or Judys and get a smoking hot chick no fuss at all. What is the allure these days of the shady sorta sauna wannabes? Price? The thrill of being arrested? I honestly just don't get it. Manhattan is paradise on earth for me. Why skulk the back streets?

Seriously I am curious. Someone enlighten me![/QUOTE]Manhattan is great. At times but it's a completely different experience to the saunas. Saunas mean you don't have to get pissed off about the cabbie that's ripping you off or the girl that insists she gets paid up front and beats a hasty exit because it's not yet 10 pm and she wants to get another one in it where you can go get naked have two showers sex in between and leave clean and happy I have had the best mind blowing blow Job's ever in my life in saunas all CIM also had the best handjobs there as well sauna skills are maybe a hundred years in practice so it can only get better as the girls learn them The saunas are all about service and it allows you to experience Chinese girls some really beautiful ones too and Chinese girls are not Vietnam girls or Filipino girls each one is different but the thing is and you should try if you have not the thing is the skills of the girls in the saunas in terms of sex skills is excellent you get to lay back and enjoy the ride from start to finish or become assertive after the shower and nuru sauna girls aim to please which is why you get that phone call at the emd of the session asking if all was fine I have had amazing times at Manhattan too but I can't imagine not having the option of going to a sauna for some TLC back in the day the red rope experience was like having a Cirque de Soleil performer give you a blowjob sauna girls balance the line between courtesan and porn star Manhattan girls are subject to too many variables for the experience to be consistent over time however I won't say one is always better than the other it's nust that having two sexual experience options is like having option of riding two coasters at an adult theme park variety is always a good thing and I hope shanghai will have both all the time.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2151481]Odd. You've both had very different experiences to me.

I've rarely been asked for tip for standard HJ service (that is with the standard 298 HJ or 398 RMB BJ service).

Tip is for extra services beyond the above, and it's possible to get what Midwestern was trying for.

Since the LE crackdown last summer, I've not found 398 RMB service anywhere, and I've tried about 6 different stores. 298 service is now 358 RMB service. But extras can still be had with a tip.

Also, Aurangzeb: there are spring shops all over Shanghai, including the west. Use the dianping app and search for "Chun" then click the first thing that comes up. It will give you a list of 20 or so Spring shops.[/QUOTE]Different Spring joints have different pricing. Some all-inclusive, some require tipping. There's no standard rule.

[QUOTE=TimeForTea;2151731]Hi,

Can I ask if anyone has any experience of the ladies from the above site in Shanghai or are they just bait!

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I have used the site and I can tell you that there are some ads that are legit. Even some providers with reviews advertise in the site. However, most of the ads are just bait. Sometimes, it is easy to spot bait ads by looking at the pictures or the text. I would say to proceed with care or to contact those providers with website for example. Something easy to do is to choose another city in China and see which ads appear in both cities, it is very unlikely for someone to be at two places at the same time right?

[QUOTE=TimeForTea;2151731]Hi,

Can I ask if anyone has any experience of the ladies from the above site in Shanghai or are they just bait!

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I have used the site and I can tell you that some ads are legit and some are just bait. Even some providers with review advertise on that site. Sometimes is easy to spot fake ads by looking at the text or the pictures, it takes some work if you want to find the right ad for you.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2150000]Hey Taz,

Regarding Beijing are you visiting Maggie's or Mango? I know it's not like the scene in Shanghai but the Mongolian women are beautiful. I've also used Angel services and it's OK. I do know it more expensive in Beijing so that is a bummer. I wish I knew the spa scene in Beijing but I haven't tried that action. Hope to read more from you in the future. If you haven't tries you need to visit Hong Kong. Legal prostitution, heck yea![/QUOTE]Unfortunately takeout is not an option for me in Beijing (just as it wasn't previously in Shanghai). One of our brothers hooked me up with a Beijing sauna a few years ago, was an absolute crap experience (and EXPENSIVE) compared to Shanghai. There is only one upside to Beijing, but she has been reviewed enough, I don't need to add her here again.

Only been to HK once, and that was with family. Will have to try it solo sometime!

Cheers,

Taz.

[QUOTE=SatoSan;2152098]Manhattan is great. At times but it's a completely different experience to the saunas. Saunas mean you don't have to get pissed off about the cabbie that's ripping you off or the girl that insists she gets paid up front and beats a hasty exit because it's not yet 10 pm and she wants to get another one in it where you can go get naked have two showers sex in between and leave clean and happy I have had the best mind blowing blow Job's ever in my life in saunas all CIM also had the best handjobs there as well sauna skills are maybe a hundred years in practice so it can only get better as the girls learn them The saunas are all about service and it allows you to experience Chinese girls some really beautiful ones too and Chinese girls are not Vietnam girls or Filipino girls each one is different but the thing is and you should try if you have not the thing is the skills of the girls in the saunas in terms of sex skills is excellent you get to lay back and enjoy the ride from start to finish or become assertive after the shower and nuru sauna girls aim to please which is why you get that phone call at the emd of the session asking if all was fine I have had amazing times at Manhattan too but I can't imagine not having the option of going to a sauna for some TLC back in the day the red rope experience was like having a Cirque de Soleil performer give you a blowjob sauna girls balance the line between courtesan and porn star Manhattan girls are subject to too many variables for the experience to be consistent over time however I won't say one is always better than the other it's nust that having two sexual experience options is like having option of riding two coasters at an adult theme park variety is always a good thing and I hope shanghai will have both all the time.[/QUOTE]Agreed, when the Nuru is done correctly, it is an amazing experience! And, if you frequent the same place, you can build a relationship with your contact to ensure only the best experiences.

Taz.

I said I will not go, but I met two guys on my 1st day in Shanghai and we went to Manhattan together.

I was surprised how easy it was for a guy like me. 1st day in Shanghai, know nothing about China, etc. About 30 girls. All working. Almost all of them from Vietnam. Most of them good looking. Some are very hot. At least 4 approached me within 30 min. Not the youngest, but still in mid 20's as I can tell.

They did not approach my friends though. It looks like they don't like Indians and white dudes with beards.

We were hanging out with some Chinese guy (at his table) who bought a bottle of Red Label plus beer and was pouring drinks for everybody.

Asking price is 1500 rmb for short time. Or 3000 for long time.

My girl was nice, but not one of the super hot ones. Paid 1500 and additional 1000 to keep her longer. Only covered service and BJ. Not much extra allowed.

She said girls are not allowed to walk around the tables a lot. They pick a table and stay there for a while even if they don't like the clients or clients don't like them. They can move only with manager's permission. We did not know that unfortunately. Basically you can approach the ones you like even if they are with somebody else at another table.

I never paid 500 usd for 1 night with very basic service, but it's OK.

Thanks RobSH, I had to fiddle with it a bit, but once I set it up correctly, dianping worked as you said, and I found a bunch of closer shops.

I went to one nearby, and had an interesting experience. I asked for full body oil massage and the girl at the reception said CNY396 for 70 minutes. I speak no mandarin, so figured that was what they charged and went for it. A moderately attractive girl came in, and gave me a mediocre head massage, cleaned my ears (weird) and stripped down naked to rub her body over mine. Ended with a unimaginative but successful HJ. No tip requested, but I slipped her a 100.

We 'talked' for a few (through translation apps) and it seems that is what the 396 package is. A head massage, cleaning ears, body to body rub and a handjob. They have a 258 package with seems to be what I wanted, a full body oil massage and a handjob.

I'll go back sometime and try.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2150467]She just contacted me. She's back in Shanghai. Oh I wish I was there.[/QUOTE]Sam, thanks for giving me Tina's contact. I found her wechat using her Viet number. I contacted her, telling her that I'm Sam's friend. We made an afternoon appointment. She asked how much, and I said "Same as Sam" haha, as I didn't want to make you look bad by giving her more or less than you. Anyway, we actually didn't have a lot chemistry, as she seemed nervous, and that's probably because she is more used to the pick-up scene and not the outcall scene, but she had great BJ skills and was talented in several different positions. Thanks again for being such a great citizen of ISG.