Sosua Reports

None of you see what is really happening. There is no special reason why they are having this crackdown. They don't have some special agenda. The crackdown is designed to move the Haitians out. All of them. They can't just arrest all the Haitians because that would be racist but, if you harass all the hoes with putting special interest to making the Haitian hoes extremely more uncomfortable then you can achieve your ultimate goal. Yes, Sosua will suffer for a while but in the long run the Haitians will be gone and less likely to return.

[QUOTE=Negro562]None of you see what is really happening. There is no special reason why they are having this crackdown. They don't have some special agenda. The crackdown is designed to move the Haitians out. All of them. They can't just arrest all the Haitians because that would be racist but, if you harass all the hoes with putting special interest to making the Haitian hoes extremely more uncomfortable then you can achieve your ultimate goal. Yes, Sosua will suffer for a while but in the long run the Haitians will be gone and less likely to return.[/QUOTE]
Your not suggesting that discrimination is going on in Sosua are you? :)

[I]El Corte[/I]
[url]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_Massacre?wasRedirected=true[/url]

With the crackdown, do you believe it will have any impact on Passions or the new place nearby? Technically these girls work at these places as is evidenced by the menu for services and "take out". My understanding is that the only women allowed to travel at night alone need to provide proof of employment to get around there, unless accompanied by a male. I am sure Peter can provide the chicas with something allowing them to get around Sosua to his place after dark.

How about the chicas at NG? Could the owners there provide these chicas with a "job" to allow for coming and going during the crackdown? Would he want to?

Is this crackdown, if truly enforced, going to push punters to places like Passions, BBs, O2, you know the list?

Although it is good for banter to figure out why this is happening, I am more concerned about effects of this crackdown. It seems to me more than a coincidence that SD gets cleaned up, then it moves to Sosua. My fear is what this will do to change to my little playground, the DR. If venues mentioned in this post benefit from the crackdown and business increases for them because of this, punting prices will inevitably go up (supply and demand). I don't like less competition, I like more.

What do you guys think?

[QUOTE=SavePros321]Your not suggesting that discrimination is going on in Sosua are you? :)

[I]El Corte[/I]
[url]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_Massacre?wasRedirected=true[/url][/QUOTE]

Just say you heard it from me first. I know my detractors will disagree but, history does seem to repeat itself if only in different forms.

I'm guessing Negro562 has got it right. With all the crap going on with Haiti now (Cholera, earthquake aftermath), Dominicans are even more scared of Haitians bringing their problems into the DR.

[QUOTE=Ponderosa]With the crackdown, do you believe it will have any impact on Passions or the new place nearby? Technically these girls work at these places as is evidenced by the menu for services and "take out". My understanding is that the only women allowed to travel at night alone need to provide proof of employment to get around there, unless accompanied by a male. I am sure Peter can provide the chicas with something allowing them to get around Sosua to his place after dark.

How about the chicas at NG? Could the owners there provide these chicas with a "job" to allow for coming and going during the crackdown? Would he want to?

Is this crackdown, if truly enforced, going to push punters to places like Passions, BBs, O2, you know the list?

Although it is good for banter to figure out why this is happening, I am more concerned about effects of this crackdown. It seems to me more than a coincidence that SD gets cleaned up, then it moves to Sosua. My fear is what this will do to change to my little playground, the DR. If venues mentioned in this post benefit from the crackdown and business increases for them because of this, punting prices will inevitably go up (supply and demand). I don't like less competition, I like more.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]It sounds like they want to funnel the chicas to casas. So I imagine whoever is behind this crackdown they probably have plans to build quite a few "passions" type spots and control the pussy, money and alcohol.

[QUOTE=Negro562]None of you see what is really happening. There is no special reason why they are having this crackdown. They don't have some special agenda. The crackdown is designed to move the Haitians out. All of them. They can't just arrest all the Haitians because that would be racist but, if you harass all the hoes with putting special interest to making the Haitian hoes extremely more uncomfortable then you can achieve your ultimate goal. Yes, Sosua will suffer for a while but in the long run the Haitians will be gone and less likely to return.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha!!!
Negro, that's a pretty good guess, but form experience I can tell you it's not going to be easy to get the Haitians out of Sosua or the DR for that matter. Back in 2005 or so they did the same thing in Sosua, to some extent. What are the results? They now have more Haitians than before. Just wait and see. Two years form now, you will see more Haitians in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Papi0170]Hahaha!!!
Negro, that's a pretty good guess, but form experience I can tell you it's not going to be easy to get the Haitians out of Sosua or the DR for that matter. Back in 2005 or so they did the same thing in Sosua, to some extent. What are the results? They now have more Haitians than before. Just wait and see. Two years form now, you will see more Haitians in Sosua.[/QUOTE]

How do you know this for sure? I am just wondering because a little more than three years ago Dominican chicas out numbered Haitian chicas in Sosua 3 to 1. Now the tide has turned and the Dominicans are in an uproar. So, if you can tell me how you came to your conclusion I would love to know. Dominican Haitian relations in Sosua have never been worst.

What are you talking about (most guys send money to places they frequent?) Only a handfull of idiots send money to these women. I really dont think its most guys, its a small percentage of losers.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Comprendo, but guys who are less inclined to visit will stop Western Union payments. Most guys send money to places they frequent. What kills me is their timing with the crackdown. Why not wait till the year is over and start a "new initiative" rather than kill Christmas?[/QUOTE]

I just say it's time to move then! If the city doesn't appreciate us stimulating "their" economy we move next door. Solution : 1. Have a team topple the Beard government in Havana. 2. Have Lorenzo and Wilfred moved all expenses paid. Plus the girls from Rose bar and and the DJ from classicos. 3. Interview new talent and establish a standard service fee.

After a few months the ghost town of Sosua will be having the mayor working part time in one of the beach kiosks!

[QUOTE=Negro562]They can't just arrest all the Haitians because that would be racist.[/QUOTE]
Firstly they don't need to arrest all Haitians, just those who are here illegally (and that is the great majority in Sosúa). They already have every right in Dominican and international law to deport these and they often do.

The remaining Haitians, who are here legally, are no more likely to cause trouble or offence than Dominicans, in fact much less likely because they have more to lose by being arrested. They are here legally because it is in the interests of some Dominican individual or company to have them here to fill a need and they have been given permission to live here as a result of that. My Haitian friends who are legally here are the most deferential and law-abiding lot you could imagine.

So if they just wanted to get rid of illegal Haitians they would be better off concentrating all their efforts on that sad, but legal, process.

Secondly, when have the Dominican ruling class ever worried about being racist? The whole culture is overtly racist from top to bottom, not just in respect of Haitians, but in the pecking order of skin shades of Dominicans from white to black, through an array of various browns each given their own name. For more about this read "Coloring the Nation" by David Howard. It's a bit dry and academic but accurate and unbiased.

[QUOTE=You Can]What are you talking about (most guys send money to places they frequent?) Only a handfull of idiots send money to these women. I really dont think its most guys, its a small percentage of losers.[/QUOTE]
You have misunderstood Mr Gogo as his sentence was ambiguous. He meant that of the guys who do send money (perhaps more than you realise) most send it to places where they have previously visited. So if you discourage guys from visiting a particular place on holiday (in this case Sosúa) the income from WU will start to drop off sooner or later. Seems pretty obvious to me.

[QUOTE=You Can]What are you talking about (most guys send money to places they frequent?) Only a handfull of idiots send money to these women. I really dont think its most guys, its a small percentage of losers.[/QUOTE]Some would say that the idiot is someone who thinks only a "handful" of mongerers sends money.

[QUOTE=You Can]What are you talking about (most guys send money to places they frequent?) Only a handfull of idiots send money to these women. I really dont think its most guys, its a small percentage of losers.[/QUOTE]I will agree with you that "most" guys don't send money to girls in the DR but it is more common than you think it is. I can tell you for certain that a large percentage of the girls I know personally in the DR have at least one "Western Union boyfriend". The more I imbibe myself into the local scene in the DR the more I am shocked at how many of these girls' apartments are furnished by some sucker from outside the country,it is more common than I ever thought it was.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter]Firstly they don't need to arrest all Haitians, just those who are here illegally (and that is the great majority in Sosúa). They already have every right in Dominican and international law to deport these and they often do.

The remaining Haitians, who are here legally, are no more likely to cause trouble or offence than Dominicans, in fact much less likely because they have more to lose by being arrested. They are here legally because it is in the interests of some Dominican individual or company to have them here to fill a need and they have been given permission to live here as a result of that. My Haitian friends who are legally here are the most deferential and law-abiding lot you could imagine.

So if they just wanted to get rid of illegal Haitians they would be better off concentrating all their efforts on that sad, but legal, process.

Secondly, when have the Dominican ruling class ever worried about being racist? The whole culture is overtly racist from top to bottom, not just in respect of Haitians, but in the pecking order of skin shades of Dominicans from white to black, through an array of various browns each given their own name. For more about this read "Coloring the Nation" by David Howard. It's a bit dry and academic but accurate and unbiased.[/QUOTE]
In one island with two nations with porous border it is only a matter time when all deported girls re appear. I do not think Haiti girls are causing the problem. Sosua has become to known as sex capital of DR more than any other place including Santo Domingo. Besides all foreigners are concentrated in Sosua either mongering crowd or vacationing crowd.
It is good that they are making bars put up barriers so that tourists on the street do not see inside. But it is against carrebean culture. Everywhere where you go there are open bars and open restaurents. Arresting single girls is really a crime. Who says girls do not have the right to go to bars to have a good time. Whether they are there for hooking or not is immaterial.
I believe many girls who come from surrounding areas to pedro clisante bars will not come there anymore. It is more likely some other areas will become more visible. Prostituition never dies down , it just moves location to location. Too much money , supply and demand, livelihood depends on this business.

Can anybody report about this information?

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[QUOTE=Negro562]None of you see what is really happening. There is no special reason why they are having this crackdown. They don't have some special agenda. The crackdown is designed to move the Haitians out. All of them. They can't just arrest all the Haitians because that would be racist but, if you harass all the hoes with putting special interest to making the Haitian hoes extremely more uncomfortable then you can achieve your ultimate goal. Yes, Sosua will suffer for a while but in the long run the Haitians will be gone and less likely to return.[/QUOTE]

Even before the earthquake the Dominican government had no qualms about raids that just scooped up anybody who looked haitian and dumped them over the border at Dajabon. They aren't subtle enough to try to manipulate the comfort levels of haitian girls in Sosua.

[QUOTE=You Can]What are you talking about (most guys send money to places they frequent?) Only a handfull of idiots send money to these women. I really dont think its most guys, its a small percentage of losers.[/QUOTE]

I send my female friend in SD a couple hundred bucks on her birthday. I hope that does not make me an idiot. For the price of a piece of ass off Backpage, I receive a lot of good will and fun when I visit the DR. The $200 I send her is much more appreciated than the money you might spend on a female in the States.

I will agree though a person who sends monthly checks to a chica might not be spending their money wisely but it is their money and does not necessarily make them an idiot or loser. There are many who would consider the people men and women who come to the DR for a sex vacation to be idiots, losers or worse. I guess it is a matter of who's eyes you are looking through.

My dos pesos worth.

[QUOTE=Garoto]Can anybody report about this information?

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Dude, you have almost two and a half days of commentary on this very subject. Please go back two or three pages and [b]Read The F*cking Forum (RTFF)![/b]

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Some would say that the idiot is someone who thinks only a "handful" of mongerers sends money.[/QUOTE]

Or even better yet, that your the ONLY one sending money to that particular girl. You can guarantee that if they are a working girl or you met them while they were tricking and look good? They have many western union novios from all countries.

Anybody have Lou's number from the Shark Bar? Being a bar owner right on Clisante along with him yelling "How are youuuu babyyy" at just about every lady of legal age walking by. I bet you he will have a real time "boots on the ground" assessment of just how serious the situation is. It could be that besides the club owners putting up the glass partitions, its just business as usual!

This is from Mr. Gogo's forum, but I am quoting it here since it is relevant to the conversation:

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]I'm actually thinking of saving the 900usd I would spend this trip and cancelling. I'm looking at ticket prices for a quick hit to Medellin next month instead. Sosua is just to much on edge right now. Maybe its best to let the changes go into effect then plan a trip after everything calms down.[/QUOTE]

There will be no need to call for a boycott of Sosua because guys will just use their common sense logic and avoid the place altogether and wait until if and when this all blows over. Nothing like flying all the way over there looking for fun when there is no fun to be found.

[QUOTE=Sabor]
After a few months the ghost town of Sosua will be having the mayor working part time in one of the beach kiosks![/QUOTE]

And she can then walk over to have a drink with the Vice Mayor/Owner of Latinos at his bar and stare in awe at how much space his bar now has, lol!

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony]Even before the earthquake the Dominican government had no qualms about raids that just scooped up anybody who looked haitian and dumped them over the border at Dajabon. They aren't subtle enough to try to manipulate the comfort levels of haitian girls in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Agreed! I don't think the recent crackdown on prostitution in Sosua has anything to do with the increased presence of Haitians in Sosua. The Dominican police and military have never needed an excuse to extradite or imprison Haitians who are in the Dominican Republic illegally.

The Boca Chica prostitution crackdown of 2005, the Santo Domingo casa/massage parlor crackdown of 2005, and the nationwide "Blue Laws" that followed had nothing to do with Haitians in the Dominican Republic.

The crackdown on prostitution in Sosua has everything to do with the Department of Tourism. The tourist season officially begins in three-weeks (December 15). Preserving the "normal" tourism industry in Sosua, through the reduction in prostitution and criminality during the tourist season (December 15 - April 15) is what the crackdown is about.

-Helpmann :)

I was approved off for 5 vacation days. I've been reading all the reports on the crackdown in Sosua. Im literally ready to purchase my ticket today! I'm looking to go next week. Is there anybody who can give me a straight up honest opinion to if I should go. Better yet, someone who is actually down there now would be better information. Boca chic popped into my head but I was alittle disappointed my last time I was there.

[QUOTE=Helpmann]The Dominican police and military have never needed an excuse to extradite or imprison Haitians who are in the Dominican Republic illegally.[/QUOTE]
... and often those who are here legally, sometimes even including Dominican citizens of Haitian descent.

Who besides someone trying to get their dick sucked or their balls licked or are a fat lonely woman from anywhere is coming to Sosua for vacation? When has Sosua ever been known as a vacation spot to anyone else besides someone looking to fuck?

Sosua is a little small country beach town. Nothing else. Running off the hoes is running off the life blood of Sosua. Look for crime to skyrocket in Sosua. Anyone who thought they could come here for a peaceful vacation is going to be in for a shock the minute they get that gun pointed in their face by the desperate chulo that had all his hoes run off by the politur.

I saw it today. Sosua is dead. At 3:00 I was on PC and the only chicas that I saw were on the back of a politur motorcycle sandwiched in between two cops headed to jail.

[QUOTE=Negro562]Who besides someone trying to get their dick sucked or their balls licked or are a fat lonely woman from anywhere is coming to Sosua for vacation? When has Sosua ever been known as a vacation spot to anyone else besides someone looking to fuck?

Sosua is a little small country beach town. Nothing else. Running off the hoes is running off the life blood of Sosua. Look for crime to skyrocket in Sosua. Anyone who thought they could come here for a peaceful vacation is going to be in for a shock the minute they get that gun pointed in their face by the desperate chulo that had all his hoes run off by the politur.

I saw it today. Sosua is dead. At 3:00 I was on PC and the only chicas that I saw were on the back of a politur motorcycle sandwiched in between two cops headed to jail.[/QUOTE]
Desperate people, do desperate things!

[QUOTE=Helpmann]I don't think the recent crackdown on prostitution in Sosua has anything to do with the increased presence of Haitians in Sosua. The Dominican police and military have never needed an excuse to extradite or imprison Haitians who are in the Dominican Republic illegally. [/QUOTE]
All too true. Parsley, anyone?

[QUOTE=Negro562]Who besides someone trying to get their dick sucked or their balls licked or are a fat lonely woman from anywhere is coming to Sosua for vacation? When has Sosua ever been known as a vacation spot to anyone else besides someone looking to fuck?

Sosua is a little small country beach town. Nothing else. Running off the hoes is running off the life blood of Sosua. Look for crime to skyrocket in Sosua. Anyone who thought they could come here for a peaceful vacation is going to be in for a shock the minute they get that gun pointed in their face by the desperate chulo that had all his hoes run off by the politur.

I saw it today. Sosua is dead. At 3:00 I was on PC and the only chicas that I saw were on the back of a politur motorcycle sandwiched in between two cops headed to jail.[/QUOTE]

I don't doubt it's having a real impact or that some aspect of it was triggered by the new influx of haitians since January. I'm just suggesting that the causes are more related to improving the image of the place for real estate and general tourism. The North coast is well behind the east coast (Punta Cana) in tourism but if you picture the total number of hotel rooms (mostly AI) that are completely non-mongering it's in the 10's of thousands (Playa Dorada alone has more than 10K).vs. a few hundred that are "guest friendly". Even in Sosua itself there are 10X as many non-chica friendly hotel rooms as rooms in the few mongering places. Beyond that there are 1000's of condos and villas in the Sosua area. Collectively there's vastly more money involved in the ordinary tourist trade even in Sosua.

Would you buy a condo in Sosua? There are some fabulous locations like Blue Bayou at reasonable prices. A priceless view west over the water (in a country with no west coast), cliffs, a private stairway cut in the rock to a new white sand beach, ....but if everybody thinks of Sosua as just a red light district would you invest the money? The entire chica biz is just a tiny fraction of the money in RE and regular tourism.

As far as that papi chulo is concerned the Dominican authorities really don't play when it comes to serious investment issues. Guys like that might get one warning then they just get unlucky and are found shot in the back of the head. They don't get arrested, brought to trial, get a lawyer ...etc etc. the police just deal with it informally.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony]I don't doubt it's having a real impact or that some aspect of it was triggered by the new influx of haitians since January. I'm just suggesting that the causes are more related to improving the image of the place for real estate and general tourism. The North coast is well behind the east coast (Punta Cana) in tourism but if you picture the total number of hotel rooms (mostly AI) that are completely non-mongering it's in the 10's of thousands (Playa Dorada alone has more than 10K).vs. a few hundred that are "guest friendly". Even in Sosua itself there are 10X as many non-chica friendly hotel rooms as rooms in the few mongering places. Beyond that there are 1000's of condos and villas in the Sosua area. Collectively there's vastly more money involved in the ordinary tourist trade even in Sosua.

Would you buy a condo in Sosua? There are some fabulous locations like Blue Bayou at reasonable prices. A priceless view west over the water (in a country with no west coast), cliffs, a private stairway cut in the rock to a new white sand beach, ....but if everybody thinks of Sosua as just a red light district would you invest the money? The entire chica biz is just a tiny fraction of the money in RE and regular tourism.
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This is exactly in line with what I was thinking. And with that said:

[b]NOTE TO COMMITTEE[/b]
I don't care what country you are from, but pass the word: the next spot we set up PLEASE BE DAMN SURE THAT IT IS FAR THE FUCK AWAY FROM A BEACH OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD IN THE SLIGHTEST LEND ITS SELF TO FAMILY OR COMMERCIAL TOURISM!! FUCK, LET'S TAKE THIS SHIT TO THE MOUNTAINS, LOL!!!

In any case, with all of the molestations going on at the airport I think I'm just going to stay at home for a while and get more acquainted with my girl EHLE (and yes, I am well aware of the correct pronunciation :)).

As my friend from Cleveland likes to say:

Love, peace, and chicken grease!

As always you are right on with the info. When I first starting going to Sosua I would see couples (north american and european married couples) walking around Sosua at night or sitting outside bars or restaurants, eating or drinking. German and Dutch people would smoke cigars and drink beer outside.

Infiniti Blu appears to be an expensive new condo complex in Sosua (I have only seen photos of the place). Sea Horse Ranch is 5 minutes from Sosua with multi-million dollar homes. Outside of Baileys I used to see very expensive cars.

Very rich folks don't want to be harassed when they go out eat. Restaurants and other legit businesses collect taxes for the government.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony]I don't doubt it's having a real impact or that some aspect of it was triggered by the new influx of haitians since January. I'm just suggesting that the causes are more related to improving the image of the place for real estate and general tourism. The North coast is well behind the east coast (Punta Cana) in tourism but if you picture the total number of hotel rooms (mostly AI) that are completely non-mongering it's in the 10's of thousands (Playa Dorada alone has more than 10K).vs. a few hundred that are "guest friendly". Even in Sosua itself there are 10X as many non-chica friendly hotel rooms as rooms in the few mongering places. Beyond that there are 1000's of condos and villas in the Sosua area. Collectively there's vastly more money involved in the ordinary tourist trade even in Sosua.

Would you buy a condo in Sosua? There are some fabulous locations like Blue Bayou at reasonable prices. A priceless view west over the water (in a country with no west coast), cliffs, a private stairway cut in the rock to a new white sand beach, ....but if everybody thinks of Sosua as just a red light district would you invest the money? The entire chica biz is just a tiny fraction of the money in RE and regular tourism.

As far as that papi chulo is concerned the Dominican authorities really don't play when it comes to serious investment issues. Guys like that might get one warning then they just get unlucky and are found shot in the back of the head. They don't get arrested, brought to trial, get a lawyer ...etc etc. the police just deal with it informally.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321]This is exactly in line with what I was thinking. And with that said:

[b]NOTE TO COMMITTEE[/b]
I don't care what country you are from, but pass the word: the next spot we set up PLEASE BE DAMN SURE THAT IT IS FAR THE FUCK AWAY FROM A BEACH OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD IN THE SLIGHTEST LEND ITS SELF TO FAMILY OR COMMERCIAL TOURISM!! FUCK, LET'S TAKE THIS SHIT TO THE MOUNTAINS, LOL!!!

In any case, with all of the molestations going on at the airport I think I'm just going to stay at home for a while and get more acquainted with my girl EHLE (and yes, I am well aware of the correct pronunciation :)).

As my friend from Cleveland likes to say:

Love, peace, and chicken grease![/QUOTE]Nothing good lasts forever, we just ride the wave till the next lull. And boy was it a good ride. I've got memories for the old folks home. Or better yet till I retire in my seventies with a young Haitiana sipping tea (the prelude to heaven).

We didn't have any mongerers die in Sosuas five year run. Made some life long friend to explore with. And did some freaky shit with some fine ass women.

BTW talked to my ace cabbie to cancel my STI pickup for Thursday, and he said look for more changes. One drink minimum at Latinos andMerengue, along with possible cover charges in the future. No more free parades of girls strolling through.

[QUOTE=SavePros321]This is exactly in line with what I was thinking. And with that said:

[b]NOTE TO COMMITTEE[/b]
I don't care what country you are from, but pass the word: the next spot we set up PLEASE BE DAMN SURE THAT IT IS FAR THE FUCK AWAY FROM A BEACH OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD IN THE SLIGHTEST LEND ITS SELF TO FAMILY OR COMMERCIAL TOURISM!! FUCK, LET'S TAKE THIS SHIT TO THE MOUNTAINS, LOL!!!

In any case, with all of the molestations going on at the airport I think I'm just going to stay at home for a while and get more acquainted with my girl EHLE (and yes, I am well aware of the correct pronunciation :)).

As my friend from Cleveland likes to say:

Love, peace, and chicken grease![/QUOTE]Nothing good lasts forever, we just ride the wave till the next lull. And boy was it a good ride. I've got memories for the old folks home. Or better yet till I retire in my seventies with a young Haitiana sipping tea (the prelude to heaven).

We didn't have any mongerers die in Sosuas five year run. Made some life long friend to explore with. And did some freaky shit with some fine ass women.

BTW talked to my ace cabbie to cancel my STI pickup for Thursday, and he said look for more changes. One drink minimum at Latinos andMerengue, along with possible cover charges in the future. No more free parades of girls strolling through.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]We didn't have any mongerers die in Sosuas five year run. Made some life long friend to explore with. And did some freaky shit with some fine ass women.[/QUOTE]

We sure did brother, was looking forword to my next one. I think I'll hop on your next trip to Colombia dude! "Dead Man Walking"!!!

I'm not real clear on the purpose of building a wall in front of Latino's, Classico's, etc. Does that mean hookers will be allowed inside but they don't want people to see that from the outside?

And moreover, will places like Passions and CMP be allowed to stay open?

How about the girls that hang out at New Garden?

It seems like they'll stamp out one form and another will just pop up elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]... till I retire in my seventies with a young Haitiana sipping tea (the prelude to heaven).[/QUOTE]
Was that aimed at me? Pretty accurate description if it was!

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter]Was that aimed at me? Pretty accurate description if it was![/QUOTE]99% of the guys on this board hope to get where you are now, yes I was hoping you would GET IT.

IMHO this crackdown has more to do with cleaning up the image of Sosua and really this entire island nation for tourist/investment purposes. This has been floated around by many of you in the forum already. This part is nothing new to this conversation. A couple things surrounding this entire situation, however, lead me to present the following "conspiracy theory" on the whole situation.

1) The street scene in SDQ gets totally cleaned up and everything is now totally indoors.

2) La Passions invests a ton of money on improvements out of the blue.

3) CMP crops up out of nowhere.

4) I am hearing intel that there are a couple other bars in the same general area/side of town as Passions and CMP having on site chicas with salida for take out.

My "theory" is that this crackdown has been in the works for a while. Although things can move quickly here in the DR, Peters investment timing and the opening of CMP when there were no outside signs of a crackdown are suspicious. I think some type of heads up on this made its way to somebody about the crackdown. Entrepreneurs saw the situation and looked to capitalize on it. Follow the money.

Moving things in doors and outside the site of tourists and investors makes utmost sense to me. Those that think that the loss of money to the local Sosua economy spent by punters would negate any increase of normal tourist dollars and especially investment cash, need to rethink their position. Just take a look at the people sitting in the airplane on their way down to the DR, and count in your mind how many are there as tourists vs. those for our hobby. Tourism is a huge source of income here in the DR. To me the Hatian clean up is a side benefit to the those involved.

I have always had trouble understanding changes that happen in a vacuum. I look for cause and effect, hence one man's conspiracy theory.

My 2 cents,

P

I think these two posters see the situation as it really is.

Ponderosa Post #7044
Marc Anthony Post #7035

[QUOTE=Ponderosa]....Those that think that the loss of money to the local Sosua economy spent by punters would negate any increase of normal tourist dollars and especially investment cash, need to rethink their position.........[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Marc Anthony].....The entire chica biz is just a tiny fraction of the money in RE and regular tourism.......[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]
BTW talked to my ace cabbie and he said look for more changes. One drink minimum at Latinos andMerengue, along with possible cover charges in the future. No more free parades of girls strolling through.[/QUOTE]
Like I'm gonna pay a cover and buy drinks with no chicas!

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Nothing good lasts forever, we just ride the wave till the next lull.......[/QUOTE]Has a date been set for the Sosua Memorial Service?

December 3 will be the new beginning of the New Sosua?

I remember when I first starting coming to Sosua, five years ago, and reading about how the government came in one weekend and wiped out Long Beach in Puerto Plata. If I remember correctly the government gave the puta and beach bar owners a few days notice. One weekend they came in with bulldozers and flattened the place out. So I don't doubt that the puta business as we know it will be shut down on Pedro Clisante.

Some have questioned why do it now. Why not wait until after the holiday season. I think Helpmann answered that in one of his posts by stating the official tourist season begins December 15. (Post #7029)

[QUOTE=Helpmann]......The crackdown on prostitution in Sosua has everything to do with the Department of Tourism. The tourist season officially begins in three-weeks (December 15). Preserving the "normal" tourism industry in Sosua, through the reduction in prostitution and criminality during the tourist season (December 15 - April 15) is what the crackdown is about.

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Slimtower]I was approved off for 5 vacation days. I've been reading all the reports on the crackdown in Sosua. Im literally ready to purchase my ticket today! I'm looking to go next week. Is there anybody who can give me a straight up honest opinion to if I should go. Better yet, someone who is actually down there now would be better information. Boca chic popped into my head but I was alittle disappointed my last time I was there.[/QUOTE]I'm headed down on Saturday. Staying at D'Piero. Does not sound great but there is always La Passions.

[QUOTE=Sidney]Like I'm gonna pay a cover and buy drinks with no chicas![/QUOTE]
This might be more directed at the chicas that hang out five at a table with no drinks, or the chicas that walk through repeatedly but never spend money. My Dominican cab driver told me this, I'll believe when I see it.

Although I have never been to Sousa, it has been on my radar since this past summer. Since then, I have been doing a lot of research to prepare for my virgin trip next summer. With my luck, all this work will be for nothing, but, I've got a feeling, Sousa will still be up and kicking, but in a different style.

Although I have never been in the DR, I have mongered in other countries. I remember a few years ago, when the Tijuana govt. wanted to get the streetwalkers off the streets, and into the bars/hotels. They had just redone the streets/sidewalks, and had designed a plan to clean up the streets and get the eyesores inside. It never worked, but the streets are much nicer, now.

In the case of Sousa, it appears to me, as a outsider, that they want to move the action inside, so it is not as obvious/in your face. They would like to improve their town as a vacation destination for the general population, and still allow the ladies to do their thing a little more low key.

This may decrease the number of girls who are available for us to visit with. It may cause prices to rise, due to the middlemen that will now be the clubs/hotels. This may dampen the atmosphere as a "mardi gras" free for all. Bottom line, you should still be able to visit and do your thing, just not as wild and crazy as in the past.

Time will tell. The girls, bars, and hotels will have to adjust to the new rules and guidelines and figure out how things will work with the new regulations.

Hopefully it is all figured out by the time I am ready to book for next summer.

Will Classico's be open in the evening time(after 9pm) after the new laws take effect in December? Can ladies still come and enjoy a night of dancing and drinking.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer]Although I have never been to Sousa, it has been on my radar since this past summer. Since then, I have been doing a lot of research to prepare for my virgin trip next summer. With my luck, all this work will be for nothing, but, I've got a feeling, Sousa will still be up and kicking, but in a different style.

Although I have never been in the DR, I have mongered in other countries. I remember a few years ago, when the Tijuana govt. wanted to get the streetwalkers off the streets, and into the bars/hotels. They had just redone the streets/sidewalks, and had designed a plan to clean up the streets and get the eyesores inside. It never worked, but the streets are much nicer, now.

In the case of Sousa, it appears to me, as a outsider, that they want to move the action inside, so it is not as obvious/in your face. They would like to improve their town as a vacation destination for the general population, and still allow the ladies to do their thing a little more low key.

This may decrease the number of girls who are available for us to visit with. It may cause prices to rise, due to the middlemen that will now be the clubs/hotels. This may dampen the atmosphere as a "mardi gras" free for all. Bottom line, you should still be able to visit and do your thing, just not as wild and crazy as in the past.

Time will tell. The girls, bars, and hotels will have to adjust to the new rules and guidelines and figure out how things will work with the new regulations.

Hopefully it is all figured out by the time I am ready to book for next summer.[/QUOTE]I called Jihad (owner of Sea Breeze) and he said they are basically trying to clean up the streets so certain things are not so obvious. They don't want chicas wearing provocative clothes, and trying to steer everything to after dark. Also, he claims the only females they arrest don't have id's. Which I do not believe. He talked like nothing was wrong, but everything seems wrong from what I am reading.

... plenty of rental pussy in Sosua, even with the new rules. Last time I was there was in August, and I must say that even I found it a bit gross that you couldn't walk down Pedro Clissante on the sidewalk at night without being groped and harassed. I actually had to punch one chica (very hard) on the arm to get her to lay off when repeated verbal requests were ineffective. She may have been trying to pick my pocket too. My hand was still sore the next day.

How can any legitimate tourist and his wife or family walk around a place like that without finding it offensive?

[QUOTE=Frannie] I actually had to punch one chica (very hard) on the arm to get her to lay off when repeated verbal requests were ineffective. She may have been trying to pick my pocket too. My hand was still sore the next day.
[/QUOTE]

Anybody who goes to Sosua whether tourist or especially Dominican goes to Sosua for 2 things, beach and pussy, no ifs ands or butts about it. The other minorities are "locked up" in their own little worlds at the resorts.

p.s. can you pack a tazer in your luggage for next time.. That will teach em...

[QUOTE=Frannie]... plenty of rental pussy in Sosua, even with the new rules. Last time I was there was in August, and I must say that even I found it a bit gross that you couldn't walk down Pedro Clissante on the sidewalk at night without being groped and harassed. I actually had to punch one chica (very hard) on the arm to get her to lay off when repeated verbal requests were ineffective. She may have been trying to pick my pocket too. My hand was still sore the next day.

How can any legitimate tourist and his wife or family walk around a place like that without finding it offensive?[/QUOTE]

I've tried a few times over the years to go to the big discos and always ended up fighting off aggressive putas the whole time and hardly being able to just look around much less choose or approach some chica I liked. That was true of High Caribe at the other end of the street too (remember that place ...nobody seems to think Sosua is dead without it).

At High Caribe i remember one small fairly innocent looking chica who just followed me around and kept trying to hold my hand. I'd tell her no, go away- in increasingly harsh ways and she just ignored whatever I said and kept it up, meanwhile looking small and innocent.

I ended up talking to her and buying her drink ('If I buy you a drink will you leave me alone? Vigorous head nodding). Eventually we both got on motos I'd paid for (explaining to the guys in advance I wanted to lose her) and I managed to escape.

The idea of girls chasing you, like a lot of things, seems amusing until you actually have to deal with it.

To respond to my own story, I'm aware that if you just do the scene a few days in row the hard core chicas will stop treating you like fresh meat - pretty much like the beach vendors and street hustlers - they know the new guys from the regulars. I was never into it enough to bother though because I was always finding chicas during the day in shops and other places I liked better.

The only thing I am seeing really different is that the girls have to be on THEIR GAME or they are going to jail. Went to Classicos two nights in a row and its packed with women. Now street chicas, that's another story. But up in the club. Man.

P.S. I know most of you are trying to discount what I am saying about the crackdown and the Haitians but it's simple arithmetic.

1.) Too many Haitian hoes.
2.) The pussy prices drop.
3.) All the cheap ass mongers give the Haitian hoes their money.
4.) They send it to Haiti.
5.) Sosua goes broke.
6.) All the bitches get the Politur horns

I know it's sad but sometimes sad is the truth.

[QUOTE=Negro562]The only thing I am seeing really different is that the girls have to be on THEIR GAME or they are going to jail. Went to Classicos two nights in a row and its packed with women. Now street chicas, that's another story. But up in the club. Man.

P.S. I know most of you are trying to discount what I am saying about the crackdown and the Haitians but it's simple arithmetic.

1.) Too many Haitian hoes.
2.) The pussy prices drop.
3.) All the cheap ass mongers give the Haitian hoes their money.
4.) They send it to Haiti.
5.) Sosua goes broke.
6.) All the bitches get the Politur horns

I know it's sad but sometimes sad is the truth.[/QUOTE]
The Haitian chicas serve as a good counterbalance if you ask me. Keeps the Dominicanas from getting too spoiled, lol.

But Negro, you may be on to something:

[blue][i]25 November 2010

Minister wants ban on Haitian construction workers
The Minister of Public Health (Salud Pública), Bautista Rojas Gómez wants a ban on Haitian workers at construction sites.

He says that as long as there is a cholera epidemic in Haiti, no workers are allowed to be recruted from the area. He also made known that extra chloride will be added to the tap water and that people who pass through the Haitian border, will have to wash their hands with disinfecting soap. The shoes and the tires of vehicles will also be treated with chloride. [b]Many Haitian workers think that the Health Minister uses this opportunity to ban the cheaper Haitian workers from the construction sites in favor of the more expensive Dominican workers.[/b][/i][/blue]

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php[/url]

You can't convince me that this is not discrimination because they don't even take into account that there are genuine Dominican (Republic) born Haitians in their country. Male and female.

this is from the sosua news website - dateline, 23 november:

[quote=sosua news]

[b]mayor calls for cooperation[/b]

thursday afternoon november 18 a meeting took place at city hall. present were representatives of various interest groups of sosúa. we saw representatives of women organizations, several neighbourhood committees, the civil defense, the churches and the commanders of the air force, tourist police, traffic police and national police. the meeting was opened about half past four with a prayer by the parish priest of san antonio de padua charamicos.

then followed speeches by various speakers. the core of their speeches was the same, the residents and interest groups in sosúa were encouraged to work together. shoulder to shoulder and hand in hand working for a better future of sosúa, was the motto. the beach town is beautiful and amazing and it's people too, and if everyone stands together sosúa awaits a golden future. the mayor ilana neumann gave a similar speech. we did notice that there was no specific program pointed out. the question on what we should work together was not answered. maybe in a next meeting specific matters will be appointed on which we can work together for a better future? in any case, after each speech, the audience clapped wildly enthusiastic and showed their appreciation for the contents of what was said to stand. the meeting was eventually closed with an appropriate prayer. [/quote]
d'yall think maybe that question was answered by the context of the meeting? maybe by the invitation list; more thoroughly, by the list of those [i]not invited?[/i]

No one in there right mind would take there wife to Sosua, are you kidding? the only way you would take your wife there would be if the two of you were swingers.

[QUOTE=Frannie]... plenty of rental pussy in Sosua, even with the new rules. Last time I was there was in August, and I must say that even I found it a bit gross that you couldn't walk down Pedro Clissante on the sidewalk at night without being groped and harassed. I actually had to punch one chica (very hard) on the arm to get her to lay off when repeated verbal requests were ineffective. She may have been trying to pick my pocket too. My hand was still sore the next day.

How can any legitimate tourist and his wife or family walk around a place like that without finding it offensive?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Anybody who goes to Sosua whether tourist or especially Dominican goes to Sosua for 2 things, beach and pussy, no ifs ands or butts about it. The other minorities are "locked up" in their own little worlds at the resorts.

p.s. can you pack a tazer in your luggage for next time.. That will teach em...[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have stayed at the Hotel Europa, and a few other chica friendlies in Sosua, and I have also stayed at Casa Marina and Sosua Bay Hotel. At the all inclusives there are lots of families, Europeans, etc. who have come to Sosua not knowing that it is monger central. If such visitors take a stroll along Pedro Clissante at night and patronize some local businesses, they are very likely to return home bad mouthing Sosua and not recommending it to their friends.

It seems likely to me that the mayor believes that getting prostitution off the streets of Sosua will be better for the image of the town and for business. She may be right, she may be wrong, but I don't think there is anything inherently mysterious about her wanting to do this.

A classic line copied from another Board.

[QUOTE=Negro562]The only thing I am seeing really different is that the girls have to be on THEIR GAME or they are going to jail. Went to Classicos two nights in a row and its packed with women. Now street chicas, that's another story. But up in the club. Man.

P.S. I know most of you are trying to discount what I am saying about the crackdown and the Haitians but it's simple arithmetic.

1.) Too many Haitian hoes.
2.) The pussy prices drop.
3.) All the cheap ass mongers give the Haitian hoes their money.
4.) They send it to Haiti.
5.) Sosua goes broke.
6.) All the bitches get the Politur horns

I know it's sad but sometimes sad is the truth.[/QUOTE]
I pretty much wrote the same ideas several weeks ago on another Board.

I would agree with Helpman on his recent assessment on real causes of a 'clean-up', they are preparations for a tourist season.

Also the newly appointed National Police boss claimed 30% reduction in crime. Also some high profile army figures may be implicated in known activities. Couple of days ago Omar Mercedes Cruz, Politur's chief told that one of the reasons for a crackdown was to prevent girls from Mao, Esperanza and Santiago stealing from tourists (alas, most of my best dominicanas come from those towns)

Other real upcoming issues include:

1. Dominican Census
2. Presidential elections
3. Deterioration in Haiti

As for investors plotting (like here from Cabarete:
[url]http://wwww.amber-dune.com/files/press/pdf/Listin%20Diario%2019-11-10.jpg01.pdf[/url] ) has nothing to do with what is going in Sos.

[QUOTE=SavePros321]The Haitian chicas serve as a good counterbalance if you ask me. Keeps the Dominicanas from getting too spoiled, lol.

But Negro, you may be on to something:

[blue][i]25 November 2010

Minister wants ban on Haitian construction workers
The Minister of Public Health (Salud Pública), Bautista Rojas Gómez wants a ban on Haitian workers at construction sites.

He says that as long as there is a cholera epidemic in Haiti, no workers are allowed to be recruted from the area. He also made known that extra chloride will be added to the tap water and that people who pass through the Haitian border, will have to wash their hands with disinfecting soap. The shoes and the tires of vehicles will also be treated with chloride. [b]Many Haitian workers think that the Health Minister uses this opportunity to ban the cheaper Haitian workers from the construction sites in favor of the more expensive Dominican workers.[/b][/i][/blue]

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php[/url]

You can't convince me that this is not discrimination because they don't even take into account that there are genuine Dominican (Republic) born Haitians in their country. Male and female.[/QUOTE]

That is funny that you say that. What is a Dominican born Haitian considered? A Haitian (ie, little to no rights) It pretty much equal to Saudi Arabia here. No matter how many generations of a family have been born in Saudi Arabia if you are not of Saudi descent you can never become a Saudi citizen. That is pretty much the same story for a Haitian in the DR. (Just go ask the baseball prospect that was born here but since he can't get any papers he can't sign a contract and make him some real money.)

Take it from me. Dominicans are not as sophisticated as people on this forum are giving them credit for. There have been scientific studies that have determined that Dominican are very poor decision makers (along with poor spellers). What they are doing is not rocket science. There is no prelude to a prosperous tourist season behind this round it. That is a myth created here by some rocket scientist. The roundup is all about getting the Haitians out so more Dominicans can get that hoe money.

P.S. I am in Sosua five days a week. I see what is transpiring first hand. There is no speculation. I am not trying to figure out what is happening. I see it happening five days each weeks. Sometimes six days. They are not stopping the inner island girls from coming here to get money as long as they go in the club and handle their business. If shutting the inner island girls out was the plan then they would shut down the little rooming houses where the women stay. Those places are still open and girls are still coming in.

[QUOTE=Negro562] Take it from me. Dominicans are not as sophisticated as people on this forum are giving them credit for. There have been scientific studies that have determined that Dominican are very poor decision makers (along with poor spellers). [/QUOTE]Very racist statement, but no surprise coming from a guy who chose the nickname you did for this site.

[QUOTE=Negro562] What they are doing is not rocket science. There is no prelude to a prosperous tourist season behind this round it. That is a myth created here by some rocket scientist. The roundup is all about getting the Haitians out so more Dominicans can get that hoe money.

P.S. I am in Sosua five days a week. I see what is transpiring first hand. There is no speculation. I am not trying to figure out what is happening. I see it happening five days each weeks. Sometimes six days. They are not stopping the inner island girls from coming here to get money as long as they go in the club and handle their business. If shutting the inner island girls out was the plan then they would shut down the little rooming houses where the women stay. Those places are still open and girls are still coming in.[/QUOTE]


Do you really think Tourism is the biggest source of revenue for the Dominican Government? It is not. Money from Real Estate transactions is the biggest source of revenue for the Dominican Government.

It is an absolute miracle to me that you have been able to survive in Dom Rep with some of the views that you have. As you said in one of your prior posts you like to get the first punch in and then run like a dog.

The reason tourist stop coming to Sosua is easy. The world economy is in the toilet, airfare from the USA has doubled in the last 2 years The hotel and restaurants have a 26% tax. Electrical power stays off hours at a time, the local Dominicans on there motorcycles drive like hell, there are no rules. Sosua beach has 200 sheds that all sell the same things. The new Mayor is a typical politician with a knee jerk reaction to solving problems that only help the people who help put her office. Sosua and all of the Dominican Republic need jobs that last year round not seasonal tourist jobs, how many tourist come down in August? The mayor should spend some time trying to find a new owner for the sugar cane plant in Montellano. I have been going to Sosua for 7 years and it was never a family vacation spot.

[QUOTE=Negro562]That is funny that you say that. What is a Dominican born Haitian considered? A Haitian (ie, little to no rights) It pretty much equal to Saudi Arabia here. No matter how many generations of a family have been born in Saudi Arabia if you are not of Saudi descent you can never become a Saudi citizen. That is pretty much the same story for a Haitian in the DR. (Just go ask the baseball prospect that was born here but since he can't get any papers he can't sign a contract and make him some real money.)

Take it from me. Dominicans are not as sophisticated as people on this forum are giving them credit for. There have been scientific studies that have determined that Dominican are very poor decision makers (along with poor spellers). What they are doing is not rocket science. There is no prelude to a prosperous tourist season behind this round it. That is a myth created here by some rocket scientist. The roundup is all about getting the Haitians out so more Dominicans can get that hoe money.

P.S. I am in Sosua five days a week. I see what is transpiring first hand. There is no speculation. I am not trying to figure out what is happening. I see it happening five days each weeks. Sometimes six days. They are not stopping the inner island girls from coming here to get money as long as they go in the club and handle their business. If shutting the inner island girls out was the plan then they would shut down the little rooming houses where the women stay. Those places are still open and girls are still coming in.[/QUOTE]Negro562,

I may not be as smart as you but I still have an opinion(and I respect yours). First, I didn't know Haitians played baseball(soccer maybe). And most baseball players that don't have papers, usually prosper(and get papers) because of their talent.

And as much as I hate to say it, I have to agree with Frannie(Damn). Its more about making Sosua more respectable. If a girl has to buy a drink at a club and meet a guy to make a date(low key), that is acceptable. But to walk down the street and have chicas grabbing your dick is not. The Haitianas were there since I've been mongering, so I don't believe they are the problem(Why now). They will always have a market for the chocolate fantasy, plus(IMHO) they are the better fuckers. Sure the Dominicanas are upset, but maybe they need to up their game and give a better price/service/GFE.

The Dominicans don't have to be sophisticated because they set the rules and switch them according to whats best for them. Just drive from Sosua to Cabarette and you will see many stalled projects that at one time were the shit. This is just the Dominicans cashing in for now on the pretense of a better Sosua, someone(or some group) put some major money (and the mayor) into play for this. Don't underestimate the Dominicans, they know how to preserve what they have and take a suckers money.

Introduction Sousa Day - 1 Friday

First off, I want to thank those others that I provided so much information, such as Jadedguy, Artisttyp, Funinthesun, Koki, Yanqui69, Ponderosa, and the others that contribute on the DR forums. I also gathered a good bit of information from the Teflon Monger's blog; nicely done!

New Garden: Wilfried met me at the airport and filled me in a bit on the way to the NG. Taxi was $20. Wilfried and staff were outstanding throughout the stay. Friday and Saturday there was a decent selection of women hanging - crowd got smaller from Sunday through Tuesday. I stayed in a jacuzzi king room on the 4th floor. The regular price was $84, but with an ISG cash discount, it was only $72; nice discount indeed. The Wi-Fi was up and running the entire stay.

Unpacked a bit, but excited and wanted to check out the pool/bar action. There was a decent selection and after a couple of drinks and talking to the bartender, I asked him if he had any personal recommendations and he went out and escorted back Marlene; pretty girl. We were having a drink and then came over her friend Maria; decent looking, but feisty, which I like. M&M informed me that they had a 2 for 1 happy hour special going on, and after we played with some numbers, I was about to have my first "Here we go!" Sousa experience.

I brought a bottle of Tequila with me and bought another at the Duty Free place, so I was stocked up for 5 days. Because I know how Mr. Bubble reacts in the jacuzzi, I always bring him along for the trip. We all had a couple of shots while the jacuzzi was filling up. The girls loved the bubbles and the jacuzzi. After bubble/jacuzzi operations, it was on to rack operations. The girls worked well together and then I sent them on their happy hour way.

After a nap, I got some food at the NG, and then off to explore. First stop was in Latino. I started out sitting and chatting with the tall frizzy hair bartender; seemed like a nice lady. I will refer to her as LBT from here on out. I was approached by two women, both friends of course, and they advised me that they also had a 2 for 1 happy special going on. Both had pretty faces, one was a tad "Chunky" and the other was a tad "Skinny", but Skinny was hot. I informed them that I had tequila in the room, and guess what? They both giggled and told me they love tequila; go figure. After world negotiations, I made a bathroom stop and when I returned, Skinny was gone. Apparently one of her previous clients came in the bar. But I said fuck it, come on Chunky and let's play anyway.

Chunky appeared to be wearing tight clothing and after she removed her clothes, she nearly doubled in size!!! Chunky received a cell call, and told me that Skinny's client fell though and she wanted to join the party; thank goodness! I was on the fourth floor and too lazy or drunk (or both) to go down to the entrance to meet her. Instead, half naked Chunky and I went on the balcony (not a pretty sight), and when we saw Skinny on the motorbike, I yelled down to security to please, please let her in. After tequila shots and jacuzzi operations, it was time for rack operations.

Chunky rode me first while Skinny sat on my face; which was fine with me. But Chunky had another plan. She trader positions with Skinny, but Skinny decided to ride me in the reverse direction. While Chunky was riding my face, I soon realize that I had trouble breathing due to the lack of oxygen. At one point, I wanted to do the international call sign of distress, but I lost the use of my arms and even if I could, Skinny was riding and facing the other direction and would not be able to see the distress signal anyway! I was about to panic, but then I was able to maneuver my nose out of harm's way - Whew! Chunky leched on my face and I was able to get off in Skinny. I looked in the mirror, and my face looked like I just stuffed 10 glazed donuts on my face.

After the girls left, I washed up and headed back to Latino. Hung out and bought a couple of beers for LBT, then we both headed to the back bar/disco and danced until 4. Day 1 was a blast!

Day 2 Saturday

Hung out at the beach in the afternoon until sundown and decided I wanted to check out CMT and Passions. Went to CMT and had a seat at the bar. Within a couple of minutes, a pretty, but older lady came by to say hello. I nicknamed her Juicy Lucy; with a good reason of course. We had a drink and her beer was 100p, not bad. I found out that if you play with JL's neck, especially below her ears, she closes her eyes and purrs. I also learned that JL had a huge tongue, one that could equal the size of Shamu's. I looked at the menu and decided on the 2500p "anything goes" option. But I realized that I needed to think about this transaction. So I told JL I needed to go somewhere, but would be back within an hour. I got the "sure you will" look. I left and walked down to Passions to check out the place. Strange lay-out, but in a nice way. Had a drink and talked to some pretty ladies, but in the end, I decided that I liked the way JL purred.

Went back to CMT and sat at the bar. JL came around the corner, and with a big grin, did her version of the "Lambo Leap" on my lap. I thought the barstool would collapse, but it held up. JL said that she was very happy because men never return when they say they will. This time we got a table so I could enjoy her more, and still watch the one and only pole action. I decided to go a bit further and started using my tongue on her neck instead of my fingers; BINGO! Purring now turned to moaning and squirming. After about 10 minutes of this, she grabbed my hand, slid her panties aside, and had me feel the wetness. This woman was wetter than Lake Michigan.

Off to the room. I soon found out that JL likes her pussy eaten and I was happy to lend a tongue. I also found out that she was a screamer. After a great session, we laid there for awhile, and then she pointed to my lips and said, "uno mas por favor." Then I pointed to my lips and said, "sentarse por favor." And that was my best Spanish thus far.

When we left the room, I wanted to hang out with her for a bit and check out the other girls as well. I noticed that some dude was taking pictures, and I said to self, "Well hell, break out the camera." Then things just got silly. JL and buddies were stripping, humping each other, and posing for the camera. She told me later she was off on Monday and want to spend the day with me at the NG, I told her at 1 because I usually don't wake up until noon; she agreed.

After having dinner at La Roca (good food), I headed back to Latino and hung out with LBT, who started getting more personal and protective. Left about 2am, back to the NG to check e-mail and this board, just in case I missed something. And then this question came to mind, "WTF am I doing in the hotel room?" Back to Latino, which LBT was now working the back bar and the disco was in full swing. LBT was working, so I just hung out at the end of the bar talking to her and the other bartenders as well. LBT and one of the other bartenders took turns coming out and dancing with me from time to time. At 4, the place shut down and LBT announced she wanted to stay with me at the NG; I agreed, but had no idea what I was getting myself into.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]

Chunky appeared to be wearing tight clothing and after she removed her clothes, she nearly doubled in size!!! [/QUOTE]

Ja Ja that is some funny shit but true. The cloths some of the chicas wear really have some stress on them.

Recently, I have been sessioning with a former gfe. She says the chicas have no work and are desperate. She was willing to take whatever money that I gave her. What a contrast from the past! This development is great for men that spend much time in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Negro562]The roundup is all about getting the Haitians out so more Dominicans can get that hoe money.

P.S. I am in Sosua five days a week. I see what is transpiring first hand. There is no speculation. I am not trying to figure out what is happening. I see it happening five days each weeks. Sometimes six days. They are not stopping the inner island girls from coming here to get money as long as they go in the club and handle their business. If shutting the inner island girls out was the plan then they would shut down the little rooming houses where the women stay. Those places are still open and girls are still coming in.[/QUOTE] My chicas are usually Haitian or 1/2.

[QUOTE=Sidney]...She says the chicas have no work and are desperate. She was willing to take whatever money that I gave her...[/QUOTE]Is that what Sonia is saying (lol)? If so, I would love to know how much the "twins" have grown in the last five years.

-Helpmann ;)

[QUOTE=Negro562]
Take it from me. Dominicans are not as sophisticated as people on this forum are giving them credit for. There have been scientific studies that have determined that Dominican are very poor decision makers (along with poor spellers). What they are doing is not rocket science. There is no prelude to a prosperous tourist season behind this round it. That is a myth created here by some rocket scientist. The roundup is all about getting the Haitians out so more Dominicans can get that hoe money.

During the years i have had alot of well educated girls working for me. Girls that not only know how to read/ write/spell but who are probably more educated than alot of the members on this forum.
Remember, the girls you are going to find in Sosua are most of the time
the bottom of the social economic scale, who will do anything in order to make some money.
Get a little bit up that scale, and you will be happily surprised

[QUOTE=Berthold] During the years I have had alot of well educated girls working for me. Girls that not only know how to read/ write/spell but who are probably more educated than alot of the members on this forum.

Remember, the girls you are going to find in Sosua are most of the time the bottom of the social economic scale, who will do anything in order to make some money.

Get a little bit up that scale, and you will be happily surprised[/QUOTE]Many people consider the word Negro as insulting, yet that other member decided to use this word as part of his name on this site. There have been Dominicans who have attended Harvard and Yale and other excellent Universities.

The other guy says the street cleanup is solely to get rid of haitianas so dominicanas can make more money. In Santo Domingo all of the street chicas were Dominican and ALL those Dominican street chicas have been taken off of the street.

The other guy only knows his own little world and from that small world view he believes he knows it all.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]
Hung out at the beach in the afternoon until sundown...[/QUOTE]
Hey fellas, what are the chances of the daytime action moving to the beach? Any other time it is a tourist trap. Only went to the beach once and all the multiple solicitations from the vendors was enough for me not to ever go back.

But since the chicas cannot be on the Pedro Clisante during the daytime what's stopping them from going to the beach? A few chicas I called during the day (after collecting phone numbers the previous night) would come to my room and tell me that had been hanging out at the beach (drinking) before I called. Are they going to ban chicas from the beach also?

[QUOTE=Helpmann]Is that what Sonia is saying (lol)? If so, I would love to know how much the "twins" have grown in the last five years.

-Helpmann ;)[/QUOTE] There is no growth in the twins, but her face is much more beautiful! We made up! Hard to believe. Actually, she is fun to be with. But her rank is #3, behind 2 others. Cum on down, I bet she would love to see you, my buddy! She claims to be 23! No fukin way!

[quote=savepros321]hey fellas, what are the chances of the daytime action moving to the beach? any other time it is a tourist trap. only went to the beach once and all the multiple solicitations from the vendors was enough for me not to ever go back.

but since the chicas cannot be on the pedro clisante during the daytime what's stopping them from going to the beach? ... are they going to ban chicas from the beach also?[/quote]
they are more harrassed there than anywhere. i went for a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in the 10 peso toilets (generally quite hygienic by the way) and when i came out a cop was already trying to march my waiting (haitian) girlfriend off, no doubt eventually to the border. next time she's coming in with me.

Day 3 Sunday

Woke up at 1pm, LBT took a shower and I read the bad article about Sousa that was posted on ISG. I showed LBT the article and she saw the picture and said, "Hey, that's me bar." Then off she went. Headed for the beach and decided I would snorkel out and around the reef. The reef is in the middle portion of the beach, and about 100 yards from the shore, but today the surf seemed a lot higher than yesterday. My was truly the worse fucking idea I had since the snorkel incident in Roatan a few years ago.

Hung over + drinks with lunch + high surf = pure fucking stupidity!

Worse yet, I took advice from one of the beach bar girls, Maria. I asked her what she thought and she said, "No problem, for you." So I told Maria to watch out for me, and if there were problems, I would wave my arms like the United Nations' flags and she said, "No problem." I made it out there and there was no visibly and very few fish, so I headed back. It took me forever and a day to get back; the undertow was killing me. I honestly thought I would be dead soon, and did wave my arms a couple of times; nobody seemed to care. When I did get near the shore, wave after wave pounded me into the sand. It was as if the waves were saying, "Don't you ever come back in here again dumb ass!" I crawled out of the ocean and went to see what happen with my lookout, Maria; she was having a nice lunch!!!

Later on, I ran into a Beach Girl with a smile and ass to die for; I had to meet her, and I did. Her English sucked and my Spanish sucked even more, but somehow we were able to communicate over the next few days. We met at Merengue for a couple of drinks and then off to Morua Mai (good food) for dinner. Then off to the NG for bubble/rack operations. Afterward, I asked BG if she wanted to go dancing, and she replied by closing her eyes, rolling over, and going to sleep. And I asked, "Does this mean no?" No problem, I headed to Latino. At this point, LBT was completely possessive and protective. If any girl came within a 3 foot radius of me, LBT came after them like a pissed off guard dog that just got castrated. Danced until 3, but got tired of the guard dog, so I bailed and went to Classico. But it wasn't more than 5 minutes, LBT and cousin were in Classico hunting me down; it was getting a tad scary. Bailed and ran like hell to NG to sleep next to BG.

Day 4 - Monday

Woke up early, 11, to send BG off and told her I would see her later. Juicy Lucy was suppose to arrive at 1. Had a couple of drinks at the NG bar, and by 2:15, no JL. It was not a big problem because M&M kept me company, talking and tugging on my shorts. Headed back to the beach and had some guys fucking with me, asking, "Hey dude, where is the snorkel gear?" Hung out with BG until dusk. While walking back, I ran smack into Juicy Lucy, she was working the CMT beach bar. I asked her, "WTF JL?" She said her day off was Tuesday, not Monday. Either way, I already had my hands full and told her some other time.

The Cheetos Dilemma!

Later on I met BG at Merengue and she was sporting her new panties, which I bought from the "Panty Man" on the beach earlier that day. BG said something to the bartender, and the bartender brought over this huge bag of Cheetos Puffs. I did not bother me because she looked so damn happy holding on to the bag. But with my non-existing Spanish, I tried my best to explain to her that we were going to the Waterfront Restaurant, which is very nice, on the beach, and quite romantic to boot. After I got the "Deer in the headlights" look, I reached over and attempted to grab the bag of Cheetos to return the bag to the bartender; didn't work! That girl had a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a small child's neck! Needless to say, we took the bag of Cheetos to dinner with us. It was only when we sat down in the restaurant was I was able to pry he bag from her grasp. I kept the bag on the table so she could touch it from time to time. Back to the room for bubble/rack operations. And I got the same reply when I asked her if she wanted to go dancing; closed her eyes, rolled over, and went to sleep.

I headed to Classico, because there was no dancing at Latino, plus the LBT guard dog was making me nervous. I was getting my 150p ticket at the bottom of the stairs and looked up, and Chunky & Skinny were coming down the stairs. I yelled up the stairs, "Drinking and dancing, let's go!" They turned around in a hurry and went back into the club. He got a table with chairs in the back of the club and soon we were joined by a couple other chicas, one girl was a friend of Chunkys, did not know the other. After a couple of hours, I felt comfortable with the girls; bad mistake. Two girls, other than Chunky and Skinny, put in between them like a sandwich, but we were all facing the same way. I felt a hand in my right front pocket from the girl behind me, and she appeared to be searching for gold; none available, because some of my cash was in the left front pocket. I grabbed her hand and called Jose, our server. He brought security over and they came in like a swat team.

Meanwhile, the girl that was in front of me left rather quickly. That's when I checked my other pocket and learned in was cleaned out. There was about 2000p left in there. I keep most of my cash in my waist pouch, which was still in tack. I do take a lot of pictures and was able to show security the other girl, and they knew her as well. What surprised me was that Classico reimbursed my lost; nice touch. First off, I let my guard down so I consider the incident as a lesson learned. I continued to dance until closing. Picture of the pick pocket team below!

[QUOTE=Sidney]There is no growth in the twins, but her face is much more beautiful! We made up! Hard to believe. Actually, she is fun to be with. But her rank is #3, behind 2 others. Cum on down, I bet she would love to see you, my buddy! She claims to be 23! No fukin way![/QUOTE]Sure Sid. By the time I get to Sosua, you'll be in Juan Dolio or better yet Buenos Aires. Just be sure to give her a kiss from me.

By the way, are you going to share some photos of your #1 and #2 with the board members and I?

-Helpmann :)

[QUOTE=Berthold][QUOTE=Negro562]
Take it from me. Dominicans are not as sophisticated as people on this forum are giving them credit for. There have been scientific studies that have determined that Dominican are very poor decision makers (along with poor spellers). What they are doing is not rocket science. There is no prelude to a prosperous tourist season behind this round it. That is a myth created here by some rocket scientist. The roundup is all about getting the Haitians out so more Dominicans can get that hoe money.

During the years i have had alot of well educated girls working for me. Girls that not only know how to read/ write/spell but who are probably more educated than alot of the members on this forum.
Remember, the girls you are going to find in Sosua are most of the time
the bottom of the social economic scale, who will do anything in order to make some money.
Get a little bit up that scale, and you will be happily surprised[/QUOTE]

I don't understand your point and how that applies to me. If you are implying that I am dealing with these *****s, um sorry. Wrong cat. I am in Sosua for something else but, if you need a ***** I can help you out.

Now the point that I made was something that was actually printed in the news. A study that was done and the results were in print. The Dominican population has a problem with decision making and spelling. If your women don't have this problem good for you. I will save a pack of Dino cookies for you as your reward.

[quote]Do you really think Tourism is the biggest source of revenue for the Dominican Government? It is not. Money from Real Estate transactions is the biggest source of revenue for the Dominican Government.
[/QUOTE]
What evidence do you have to support your statement? My understanding is that real estate transactions are taxed to 7.5% above rdp 5 million, probably there is not such a great deal of these transactions happening every year.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]What evidence do you have to support your statement? My understanding is that real estate transactions are taxed to 7.5% above rdp 5 million, probably there is not such a great deal of thse transactions happening every year.[/QUOTE]I read before and will find it, that Real Estate was the biggest revenue producer for the Dominican Government. It is certain that tourism is not the biggest revenue producer.

Dominican Government received RD$7.9 billion from real estate taxpayers

Santo Domingo.– Local taxpayers paid RD$7.9 billion last year on real estate transactions, 50% of them were carried out in the National District, Supreme Court (SCJ) president Jorge Subero Isa, revealed during a breakfast with journalists who where invited to tour the new fully computerized facilities of the Superior Land Court and Property Title Registrar divisions.

According to the official, real estate transactions in the Dominican Republic rank third in revenues generated for the government, behind customs and tax departments.

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2009/8/27/33046/Dominican-Government-received-RD79-billion-from-real-estate-taxpayers[/url]

Foreign investment to top US$2.4B, Dominican official says

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2010/9/7/36878/Foreign-investment-to-top-US24B-Dominican-official-says[/url]

Approved: 7 new tourism projects worth US$780M

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2010/4/21/35460/Approved-7-new-tourism-projects-worth-US780M[/url]

US$1.0B Santo Domingo port project waits for the Navy to ship out

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2009/11/4/33769/US10B-Santo-Domingo-port-project-waits-for-the-Navy-to-ship-out[/url]

I am to pick up the favorite on Monday for five days in Punta Cana but she wants me to buy her a vibrator before leave the States. Problem is I have been at BB for a week and head to Sosua tomorrow for a couple of days before picking her up in SD on Monday.

Is there anywhere in PP or Sosua where I can purchase a vibrator? She has the idea I might drive in the Capital looking for one but that is not in my plan. I told her the religious nuts in my town shut down all the vibrator stores in my town so I can not bring one with me.

TIA

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]Introduction Sousa Day - 1 Friday

First off, I want to thank those others that I provided so much information, such as Jadedguy, Artisttyp, Funinthesun, Koki, Yanqui69, Ponderosa, and the others that contribute on the DR forums. I also gathered a good bit of information from the Teflon Monger's blog; nicely done!......[/QUOTE]
Nice report and great pics. You sure did keep yourself busy. I had a hard time reading your report and keeping track of all them chicas, juicy lucy, chunky & skinny.......you sure know how to nickname them. LOL

You have any more pics of CMP. I believe you are the first to post any pics of the new place. With the current situation looks as if CMP will be doing a bit more business.

Thanks again for posting........

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs]Nice report and great pics. You sure did keep yourself busy. I had a hard time reading your report and keeping track of all them chicas, juicy lucy, chunky & skinny.......you sure know how to nickname them. LOL

You have any more pics of CMP. I believe you are the first to post any pics of the new place. With the current situation looks as if CMP will be doing a bit more business.

Thanks again for posting........[/QUOTE]

I have a whole bunch from one of their Sosua Famous pool parties, Good Nudes as well but it will involve some heavy editing for their are tons of guys in the backround. But I will start editing tomorrow. Maybe I'll I use some kind of photoshop cut tool? Too just cut out the chica?

[QUOTE=Bogiemaker]I am to pick up the favorite on Monday for five days in Punta Cana but she wants me to buy her a vibrator before leave the States. Problem is I have been at BB for a week and head to Sosua tomorrow for a couple of days before picking her up in SD on Monday.

Is there anywhere in PP or Sosua where I can purchase a vibrator? She has the idea I might drive in the Capital looking for one but that is not in my plan. I told her the religious nuts in my town shut down all the vibrator stores in my town so I can not bring one with me.

TIA[/QUOTE]There is a place right down the street from classicos on the right hand side going towards passions.

The guy who owns it is from Memphis.

There is a sex shop a couple of blocks up Pedro Clisante, toward La Passions; maybe halfway, or less, to Four Roses and the chicken shack. On the right-hand side of P.C., walking up from The Block. (At least it was there last month.)

Hope this helps - Westy
[QUOTE=Bogiemaker]I am to pick up the favorite on Monday for five days in Punta Cana but she wants me to buy her a vibrator before leave the States. Problem is I have been at BB for a week and head to Sosua tomorrow for a couple of days before picking her up in SD on Monday.

Is there anywhere in PP or Sosua where I can purchase a vibrator? She has the idea I might drive in the Capital looking for one but that is not in my plan. I told her the religious nuts in my town shut down all the vibrator stores in my town so I can not bring one with me.

TIA[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Westy]There is a sex shop a couple of blocks up Pedro Clisante, toward La Passions; maybe halfway, or less, to Four Roses and the chicken shack. On the right-hand side of P.C., walking up from The Block. (At least it was there last month.)

Hope this helps - Westy[/QUOTE]

Thanks I will check it out.

[QUOTE=Helpmann]Sure Sid. By the time I get to Sosua, you'll be in Juan Dolio or better yet Buenos Aires. Just be sure to give her a kiss from me.

By the way, are you going to share some photos of your #1 and #2 with the board members and I?

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
Possibly you are a malo hombre to her? Fotos--I have no camera so i have no fotos. That is why Jackson banned me from AP, supposedly! But we know the real reason!

Please try to show some restraint any Captian save a hoes or would be alike! Then maybe people will start posting more pics!

Good Girls, sessioned with probably half of them, the first girl was 1/2 indian and very cute and hot in the sack!

Very nice laid back place, where the girls don't give you that false stare the whole time you are sitting there ala PASSIONS.

Enjoy!

Right on Pedro Clisante el Batey, 3 blocks prior to Passions, same side of the street!

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Right on Pedro Clisante el Batey, 3 blocks prior to Passions, same side of the street![/QUOTE]Man you are raising hell on the Medellin board and got all the soft guys crying to momma over there"mommy MHL is messing with me". But its good you still got mad love over here to give us.

Thanks for the pics bro.

[QUOTE]According to the official, real estate transactions in the Dominican Republic rank [B]third[/b] in revenues generated for the government, behind customs and tax departments.[/quote]Third source of revenue makes more sense..
There is no direct income to the state from tourism, except the entry and exit fees (if applicable). All comes from a much bigger volume of taxation to Dominican businesses, that would not be there without tourism presence.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Right on Pedro Clisante el Batey, 3 blocks prior to Passions, same side of the street![/QUOTE]
Whatever award they are handing out today for posting pics you win !!!!

CMP looks pretty nice, a lot nicer looking than what I thought it would be.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Third source of revenue makes more sense.

There is no direct income to the state from tourism, except the entry and exit fees (if applicable). All comes from a much bigger volume of taxation to Dominican businesses, that would not be there without tourism presence.[/QUOTE]The whole point is that one of the reasons for the crackdown in Sosua and Santo Domingo is to present a more wholesome image to investors. The Dominican Government is not going to risk losing billions of dollars in investment in order to keep a few mongers happy.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Third source of revenue makes more sense..
There is no direct income to the state from tourism, except the entry and exit fees (if applicable). All comes from a much bigger volume of taxation to Dominican businesses, that would not be there without tourism presence.[/QUOTE]

So the 16% VAT on your bill at an AI or a hotel is not considered tourist revenue, if you say so?

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Third source of revenue makes more sense.

There is no direct income to the state from tourism, except the entry and exit fees (if applicable). All comes from a much bigger volume of taxation to Dominican businesses, that would not be there without tourism presence.[/QUOTE]Since it appears you understand these things better than I do, could you please do me a favor, could you please read ALL the charts on this page regarding the Dominican Republic and get back to me with a summary, thanks

[url]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/dominican-republic/indicators/[/url]

What is good group my trip is coming up this January and I wwanted to know if yall could post some pics and names of head monters/vixens and ones thats top notch in bed I'm tryin to make this trip the best 1 yet. Please respond.

Thank you

[QUOTE=Buscemi]So the 16% VAT on your bill at an AI or a hotel is not considered tourist revenue, if you say so?[/QUOTE]
You can consider it the way you want. But technically since everyone, (not only tourists) pays VAT, it is not a direct tourism revenue. Beside, VAT is double entry type of taxation, not much used in English speaking countries. A direct tourism revenue would be a per-day, per-person sojourn tax. Some places in the world have these, but not Dominican Republic.
Again, these are just technicalities, in my opinion tourism makes a big part of DR state balance, yet not the first according the source Jousousa posted.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs]Whatever award they are handing out today for posting pics you win !!!!

CMP looks pretty nice, a lot nicer looking than what I thought it would be.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting MHL. I am curious what is that electronic type thingie with the cord that the blondie has in her hands in a few pics?

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]...Very nice laid back place, where the girls don't give you that false stare the whole time you are sitting there ala PASSIONS...[/QUOTE]Well, it looks like I'm traveling to Sosua.

BTW, the girl in "IMG_4534" is hot!

-Helpmann :)

Day 5 Tuesday

After hitting the ATM, it was off to the beach to spend time with the Beach Girl. Shared some stories with a couple of dudes from Texas that I met on Saturday. They had a good laugh or two on my expense; no worries. One of the vendors stopped by with some t-shirts and dresses. The Beach Girl perked up and produced the biggest smile of the day. She snatched one of the dresses from the vendor's arm and started modeling it for me. The vendor and I discussed some numbers. I told the Beach Girl to go to the vendor's shop and see if she liked another one better; off she went.

Meanwhile, there was two other chicas sitting at the tables with us. So while the Beach Girl was checking out dresses in the vendor's stall, I started snapping pictures of the crazy gals, as they dropped their tops and displayed their asses. Beach Girl came back and was a happy camper! This was until she started looking at the recent photos on my camera, which should have been in my pocket and not left on the table. One of the Texas dudes pointed to her and yelled, "Hey buddy, you are fucked!" And when I turned around to look at her, I could tell she was pissed. Then the other Texas dude came up with a brilliant idea. He said, "Just buy her another dress; problem solved." And it worked!!! Way too funny of an afternoon.

Hung out at the beach until 7:00, thought about a nap, but too late. Beach Girl and I was off to NG for showers and rack operations. Then we headed back to Moura Mia for another good meal. Back in the room, she discovered the remote control, grabbed a chair, placed the remote in her crotch and was content. I headed to Classico. Ran into Chunky and we grabbed a booth. New gal comes over, one of Chunky's friends - very Tiny and one hell of a dancer. Then two more friends decided to share the booth. One of the ladies was a Hot Blonde and latched on me like there was not tomorrow. I danced with the Hot Blonde for a bit, and then for some reason, we decided to swing dance, which worked for a while. At one point, our feet got tangled and we both went down harder than any character in any Rocky movie! Her head bounced off the floor and I thought she was out for the count. My first thought, "OMG, I killed a local...run like the wind!" Security and staff were around us in a hurry. We got up, with help, and then back to the booth, both of us licking our wounds.

I felt the lump on her head, and asked Jose for ice. He brings over a cup of ice, and I gave him the "What can we do with this" look. We placed the cup of ice on her head. I felt really bed, said I was sorry several times, and even explained that Mr. Alcohol was at fault. Nothing worked, until, until, I whipped out 2000p. And low and behold; she was just fine! She was back up and dancing within seconds; Doctor Peso works miracles! After a few dances, she was behind me while her friend was in front of me, and I thought, "Hey, I remember this move." Apparently 2000p was not enough because I felt her hands in both pockets at the same time. This time I did not loss anything. Security escorted the bumpy headed skank out. Too bad, she was pretty and fun. Her picture is below, so beware of her.

Returned to the booth and Chunky asked what happen, and when I told her, she decided to lecture me. She said, Chica, drink, chica, drink, chica, drink, what if your problem? My answer, "I don't know." I dumped the bunch, except for Tiny, and joined the dudes from Texas. The only thing I didn't like about Classico were the drink prices; 250p for a screwdriver, that sucks. I stayed until about 3:30 and back to the NG. Beach Girl was done with TV and sleeping like a baby.

Final thoughts on Sousa, I loved the place. The mixture of the beach, casual dressing, good restaurants, nightlife, and a nice selection of chicas made it a great place, IMHO. I never once felt unsafe. Not really sure what the future holds for Sousa. Talking with Wilfried and Luis at the NG, they don't think the changes will be drastic; I hope they are correct. Other than the near death snorkel incident, the three pick pocket skanks, and the dance floor grand slam, I had one of the best trips ever!

Thanks for the report, but I agree with Chunky about chicas trying to rub you in Classico - may be it's you !!! I've been to that place a thousands times and I can't recall if a chica ever even thought about putting her hand in my pocket....

Glad you had a good time.

Im heading down to sosua this upcoming January. I want the group to post on some of the best headmonster they had and any other who is top notch in the sack. Hopefullly I can get lucky and run into a few. Thanks

[QUOTE=Bogiemaker]Thanks I will check it out.[/QUOTE]

The sex shop is located pretty much right next to SeaCret's, stopped in for a quick look last week.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Right on Pedro Clisante el Batey, 3 blocks prior to Passions, same side of the street![/QUOTE]

Great pics. Is the pool action for everyone or do you have to select from the menu to go back there? I was there last week but only at night, had a quick look at the pool area out back but nobody was there. Went with a couple bud's and had a great time there, kinda like Passion's used to be with unlimited interaction with the chica's. Definitely heading back next trip...

[QUOTE=Funinthesun63]Great pics. Is the pool action for everyone or do you have to select from the menu to go back there? I was there last week but only at night, had a quick look at the pool area out back but nobody was there. Went with a couple bud's and had a great time there, kinda like Passion's used to be with unlimited interaction with the chica's. Definitely heading back next trip...[/QUOTE]

Anybody can go in the back for the pool parties but they don't do it everyday, you have to ask when they do it. I forgot to mention, DJ, Good Food buffet style and wet t-shirt contest, there was even a Colombian and Chilean girl there trying to win the 3000 pesos! lol

Maybe I am missing something, but there seemed to be a bunch of high pressure behind it.

They have lots of people going around town passing out fliers for the place. Guys try to get you on their scooter to go there. They also seem to pressure you when you walk past the place on the street.

When you get in there, a couple of owners keep telling you how great it is. I guess I just do not like it.

La Passions seems much better. You can sit there and just be by yourself. I have no interest in and have seen (but never met) the owner. The lack of stress is what makes the place magic.

Again, Sousa is just perfect in every way.

I would not make to much of this supposed clean/roundup because Sosua last night was pretty much like Sosua every other Saturday night. Probably a little better because all the ugly girls that have been out and about lately were not out harassing you. No fat girls coming up and standing close to you trying to get noticed.

[QUOTE=Beagle0030]
La Passions seems much better. You can sit there and just be by yourself. I have no interest in and have seen (but never met) the owner. The lack of stress is what makes the place magic.

Again, Sousa is just perfect in every way.[/QUOTE]

When the F can you sit in passions and not have at least 8 pairs of eyes on you at any given time, girls asking you to buy them a beer and then being shown the Menu of services by just about ever single girl there offering her services. You must sit out in the parking lot then.

[quote=jaosousa]thanks for posting mhl. i am curious what is that electronic type thingie with the cord that the blondie has in her hands in a few pics?[/quote]

i don't know where they got it but one of them had one of those vibrating egg, holy shit they where having a ball with it taking turns, it was a 3 speed! lol

[QUOTE=Negro562]I would not make to much of this supposed clean/roundup because Sosua last night was pretty much like Sosua every other Saturday night. Probably a little better because all the ugly girls that have been out and about lately were not out harassing you. No fat girls coming up and standing close to you trying to get noticed.[/QUOTE]
A random arrest of chicas last night! I saw them enter Classico's, then Bar Central and haul away 2 chicas. We 3 got the hell out. There were nasty stares at us from the Politur, as I held them tight and walked by them on the sidewalk!

Well, if they only hauled to chica away, there had to be more in there so they must have just wanted them to for some reason? Whats your point?

[QUOTE=Sidney]A random arrest of chicas last night! I saw them enter Classico's, then Bar Central and haul away 2 chicas. We 3 got the hell out. There were nasty stares at us from the Politur, as I held them tight and walked by them on the sidewalk![/QUOTE]

Well, if they only hauled 2 chica away, there had to be more in there so they must have just wanted them to for some reason? Whats your point?

[QUOTE=Sidney]A random arrest of chicas last night! I saw them enter Classico's, then Bar Central and haul away 2 chicas. We 3 got the hell out. There were nasty stares at us from the Politur, as I held them tight and walked by them on the sidewalk![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Funinthesun63]The sex shop is located pretty much right next to SeaCret's, stopped in for a quick look last week.[/QUOTE]


Thanks guys found the place without any problems. They actually have quite a selection of toys for adults. The girl really want to sell me some of those vibrating eggs.

Here is a pict. of the store.

[QUOTE=Kevwint07]Im heading down to sosua this upcoming January. I want the group to post on some of the best headmonster they had and any other who is top notch in the sack. Hopefullly I can get lucky and run into a few. Thanks[/QUOTE]

Just go!

There are new girls in town every weekend, well at least there used to be before the new mayor decided to make Pedro Clisante "It's a small world".

Please R-T-F-F, it's a little different in Sosua now!

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]When the F can you sit in passions and not have at least 8 pairs of eyes on you at any given time, girls asking you to buy them a beer and then being shown the Menu of services by just about ever single girl there offering her services. You must sit out in the parking lot then.[/QUOTE]MHL,as of recent you couldn't be more wrong. I have been in Sosua for the last three days and went to Classicos and Latinos to begin my night the first two nights and lasted twenty minutes in both places due to the ridiculous aggressiveness of the girls and have gone to Passions because the girls for the most part leave us alone. 2500 pesos for takeout after 1 a.m. for a good looking girl that has someone to answer to if she doesn't perform well and (supposedly) gets tested weekly is a good deal in Sosua in my opinion. Me and my wingmen will be back tonight.By the way,we went to GMP and got accosted by literally twenty girls before we even had a chance to order a drink,we got up and left.

Full report to follow.

[QUOTE=Buscemi]Just go!

There are new girls in town every weekend, well at least there used to be before the new mayor decided to make Pedro Clisante "It's a small world".

Please R-T-F-F, it's a Police state in Sosua now.[/QUOTE]1964 World's Fair in Queens, New York, I visited the "Its A Small World" ride.

I believe the crackdown is coming from Santo Domingo. A small town Mayor, I don't believe would be able to call in the National Police and the Politur on a large scale every night.

[QUOTE=Negro562]I would not make to much of this supposed clean/roundup because Sosua last night was pretty much like Sosua every other Saturday night. Probably a little better because all the ugly girls that have been out and about lately were not out harassing you. No fat girls coming up and standing close to you trying to get noticed.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. I have been here a few days and yes,there is a large police presence and I saw a couple girls get hauled off but so fucking what? They aren't hauling off gringos and there are shitloads of girls available everywhere. The "crackdown" talk here on the board is so overblown it isn't funny. I'm not saying things aren't going to change dramatically over the next few weeks or months but as of right now things are fine as far as I'm concerned and my boots are on the ground in Sosua as I write this.

[quote=bogiemaker]thanks guys found the place without any problems. they actually have quite a selection of toys for adults. the girl really want to sell me some of those vibrating eggs.

here is a pict. of the store.[/quote]

lol what's with the guy peering in through the door.

[QUOTE=Manizales911]MHL,as of recent you couldn't be more wrong. I have been in Sosua for the last three days and went to Classicos and Latinos to begin my night the first two nights and lasted twenty minutes in both places due to the ridiculous aggressiveness of the girls and have gone to Passions because the girls for the most part leave us alone. 2500 pesos for takeout after 1 a.m. for a good looking girl that has someone to answer to if she doesn't perform well and (supposedly) gets tested weekly is a good deal in Sosua in my opinion. Me and my wingmen will be back tonight.By the way,we went to GMP and got accosted by literally twenty girls before we even had a chance to order a drink,we got up and left.

Full report to follow.[/QUOTE]

Well then things have done a complete 180 since 2 months ago and somebody switched the signs in front of the 2 places lol. Me and the boys are planning a weekend in December, I will re-access the situation and give my straight talk opinion. Who knows, some things change faster than you can go to classicos and swap out a chica. You have "boots on the ground" right now, Im not going to dispute it, you are a good poster! Cheers!

[QUOTE=Manizales911]I agree 100%. I have been here a few days and yes,there is a large police presence and I saw a couple girls get hauled off but so fucking what? They aren't hauling off gringos and there are shitloads of girls available everywhere. The "crackdown" talk here on the board is so overblown it isn't funny. I'm not saying things aren't going to change dramatically over the next few weeks or months but as of right now things are fine as far as I'm concerned and my boots are on the ground in Sosua as I write this.[/QUOTE]
I hope that your outlook remains intact. Some people like to refer to Sosua as "So-sewer" and "Shithole," but you can't beat the open-air bar scene and the fact that you can literally walk around the corner from your hotel and "point and click" chicas without having to take a taxi everytime you want some action.

But like Bq Ribs, I am waiting to see what the postings will look like after "D-Day" in Sosua (December 3rd). I'm hoping they will continue to be just as positive...

If the crackdown and persecution continues, I have a Plan B. Essentially, i have a list of terrific chicas who will serve all my needs. And probably, it will be cheaper for me.

I do not write this to advertise anything but having been to Sosua before, that I consider quite a shithole, I can understand the frustration of suffering a crackdown on top of the limited attractiveness of the place.

I stay in Las Terrenas as reported in "Other Areas". I spend p. 800 a day in a perfectly decent hotel. I have use of the terrace (actually I am the only one hanging in there) to eat my meals (avg. p 150 for good meat or chicken with a side and dessert). Wi-fi works perfectly. Otherwise there are Italian, French and even a Vietnamese restaurants. BTW you better stand these nationalities (ok, not Viet), because they are the majority of Westerns here, running all the better businesses.

All is in walking distance, maybe except the the gym that is ample and clean, with a good selection of machine , group classes and spinning bikes. The manager was happy to give me a discount on the already low rates.

I only have to cross the road to get to the postcard quality beach, palm lined and tout free. I have a car but would not need one, everything is in reach, including p4p day or night. Some colmados and picapollo are also open at night for a cheap snack before going to sleep.

I can choose between various types of bars/clubs, from very local to mixed to upscale ones. The quality of the girls is the same as I have seen anywhere else in the DR, that is, attractive to not like 1 to 10, with the occasional hottie. Dominican or Haitian, as you like it better.

I am not partaking much, but I'm positive that with a little negotiation I can take home any of them for p 1,000 and they would not look at the clock. They have few customers now, and better stick to the ones they get, although the next high season is not coming bad as the past one.

There is national police and politur presence, no crackdown whatsoever, from what I understand crime ratio is much lower than in other areas. There are decent stores for shopping and not being on the national road, no constant traffic of guaguas and cars. Admittedly, the noise from the moto-idiots is as bad as everywhere else. There are two clinics each with their own ambulance. In case it's needed, I can get to the capital in less that three hours by the new national freeway. If you like to live like an high-roller, you can take a small plane to the local airport, or rent it for an airtour.

I'm truly enjoying my time here and I am considering about taking residence, I also have some ideas and will work on a business plan with the advice of selected locals.

Why anyone wants to settle for less but paying more, that eludes me completely.

[quote=nacho]lol what's with the guy peering in through the door.[/quote]

actually the guy is washing the windows. but it does look that way.

[quote=bogiemaker]actually the guy is washing the windows. but it does look that way.[/quote]
hahahah it looked like he was too shy to go in but not shy enough that he couldnt stop peeking

I just returned from the Cabarete / Sosua area yesterday. When I arrived we passed through Sosua Thursday afternoon to pick up some things for the villa I was staying in. We passed by the "stroll" and yes, I did seem a little slower then I remembered (this was my fifth trip this year), but a group of us went to Classico's Saturday night and it seemed business as usual (at least to me).

I talked with a "hiva" buddy of mine and told me that this is not just a local crack down. He told me he thought it was actually a nationwide event. He told me el presidente got caught with his pants down a month or two ago and his wife is the driving force behind all the police activity. Apparently he was trying to poke some fun but esposa didn't find it to be too funny.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa]1964 World's Fair in Queens, New York, I visited the "Its A Small World" ride.

I believe the crackdown is coming from Santo Domingo. A small town Mayor, I don't believe would be able to call in the National Police and the Politur on a large scale every night.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. It's a money play so yes she can call them every night. A lot of the girls pay to get out and I am sure the mayors office is getting a small cut of the fines that the Politur and National police tell her office about.

[QUOTE=Sidney]A random arrest of chicas last night! I saw them enter Classico's, then Bar Central and haul away 2 chicas. We 3 got the hell out. There were nasty stares at us from the Politur, as I held them tight and walked by them on the sidewalk![/QUOTE]

I know it's always important to have a good session. I guess the two they picked up didn't have a session that night.

If you were escorting three you should have blackmailed them and told them that they would have to get away from you if they didn't all come session for 400 pesos

[QUOTE=Negro562]I know it's always important to have a good session. I guess the two they picked up didn't have a session that night.

If you were escorting three you should have blackmailed them and told them that they would have to get away from you if they didn't all come session for 400 pesos[/QUOTE]I'm sure they would rather go to jail than sleep with you for for USD.

[QUOTE=Negro562]Wrong. It's a money play so yes she can call them every night. A lot of the girls pay to get out and I am sure the mayors office is getting a small cut of the fines that the Politur and National police tell her office about.[/QUOTE]So it is just a coincidence that there is a crackdown in Santo Domingo and Sosua at the same time. And do you really believe every small town mayor in Dom Rep can call up the central government and request loads of policia nacional and politur and those extra officers will be sent for however long to whatever hodunk town requests them?

Sosua does not have its own police force that a Sosua Mayor could control. Politur and Policia Nacional are controlled by guys in Santo Domingo and the salaries of Politur and Policia Nacional are paid by the National government. I doubt the Mayor of Sosua has much control over the policia nacional or politur. The female mayor of Sosua may for political purposes try to take credit for the increased police and politur on the streets, but in reality my guess she has no say in how many police or politur are on the streets.

The central government in Santo Domingo is paying the salaries of those policia nacional and politur in Sosua and thus ultimately control when, where and for how long they are deployed in a certain location.

[QUOTE=Negro562]I know it's always important to have a good session. I guess the two they picked up didn't have a session that night.

If you were escorting three you should have blackmailed them and told them that they would have to get away from you if they didn't all come session for 400 pesos[/QUOTE]They would rather go to jail than take 4usd each from you.

Its funny with all the theorys here. I started out with the undercover Euro investment idea, then later said its about a little more respectability. Nego562 started with the Haitian wipeout theory but after Jao shot that down by saying the SD crackdown didn't involve Haitians, he now says it a money grab. Now we hear Lionel was having an affair. And some people say keep an eye on the stalled projects between Sosua and Cabarette(for renovation). But I heard one the other day thats pretty good.

A few months ago Lionel visited Obama at the White house. The word is Obama gave him a heads up about future developments with Cuba. If the DR doesn't start to prepare now to compete with Cuba in the future for tourist dollars it will be left behind. Cuba has been allowing limited European monies for two golf communites with 200 condos each. Not a big deal but food for thought.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa]So it is just a coincidence that there is a crackdown in Santo Domingo and Sosua at the same time. And do you really believe every small town mayor in Dom Rep can call up the central government and request loads of policia nacional and politur and those extra officers will be sent for however long to whatever hodunk town requests them?

Sosua does not have its own police force that a Sosua Mayor could control. Politur and Policia Nacional are controlled by guys in Santo Domingo and the salaries of Politur and Policia Nacional are paid by the National government. I doubt the Mayor of Sosua has much control over the policia nacional or politur. The female mayor of Sosua may for political purposes try to take credit for the increased police and politur on the streets, but in reality my guess she has no say in how many police or politur are on the streets.

The central government in Santo Domingo is paying the salaries of those policia nacional and politur in Sosua and thus ultimately control when, where and for how long they are deployed in a certain location.[/QUOTE]

As always the Big American visitor chimes in with his perspective of what is going on on the island which he does not live.

Now, please explain to me why the Mayor of Sosua can not call her cousin who is the head of the Policia Nacional for Sosua and tell him to send some of his boys down and harass the shit out of the chicas every night? Explain this to me? As far as I have seen during my years living here everyone is related to everyone else. Shit. The damn motoconchos in any town on this island have juice with the police. Therefore, what you are saying is absurd.

The only people who don't have pull with the police is you. And, if the police see it as a way they can get them some extra money you damn well better believe that they are all for it. (I can't tell how many times I have passed roadblocks drunk and all it took was a few hundred pesos to be on my way.)

Hell, hustlers set up a fake road blocks themselves and say they are the police and extorting drivers until the real police showed up. In this country anything is possible. Hell, you can blow a fools head off and walk out of jail so why couldn't the mayor tell the police to harass the chicas?

Now, as far as this comment is concerned [QUOTE]Sosua does not have its own police force that a Sosua Mayor could control. Politur and Policia Nacional are controlled by guys in Santo Domingo and the salaries of Politur and Policia Nacional are paid by the National government. I doubt the Mayor of Sosua has much control over the policia nacional or politur. The female mayor of Sosua may for political purposes try to take credit for the increased police and politur on the streets, but in reality my guess she has no say in how many police or politur are on the streets.[/QUOTE] Policia Nacional are making about 3000 to 5000 peso per month. All the police officers I know have two and three jobs. I am pretty sure that are lined up at roll call to take this assignment. (Money from a chica or get your dick sucked for freedom.

[QUOTE]And do you really believe every small town mayor in Dom Rep can call up the central government and request loads of policia nacional and politur and those extra officers will be sent for however long to whatever hodunk town requests them? [/QUOTE] They constantly have riots in Navarrette. Where do the extra Policia Nacional come from? Navarrette is a small town like Sosua. Do you really think Navarrette's mayor can call up the Policial Nacional and request extra officers to come in an restore the calm? Yes. They make the call and officers are sent from Santiago. How do I know this? One of my friends that was a nacional policia officer from Santiago was killed in Navarrette.

So, yes. In some instances what you wrote was correct. The central government is paying the salaries of the Policia Nacional but, you are wrong to think the Mayor of a small town like Sosua has no say. Very wrong.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]I'm sure they would rather go to jail than sleep with you for for USD.[/QUOTE]

COol.. I am not in to sleep with putas anyways. I am into selling services. Making sure people like you come and have a great time. And, since obviously you are a herb, helping you to salvage your vacation because you blew it for yourself.

Also, I am fairly lively and attractive so, I tend to do pretty well with regular women worldwide. However, all b*tche$ are hoe$. So the dinners and movies that I buy are equal to the money you put directly in their hands.

Touche

[QUOTE=Negro562]COol.. I am not in to sleep with putas anyways. I am into selling services. Making sure people like you come and have a great time. And, since obviously you are a herb, helping you to salvage your vacation because you blew it for yourself.

Also, I am fairly lively and attractive so, I tend to do pretty well with regular women worldwide. However, all b*tche$ are hoe$. So the dinners and movies that I buy are equal to the money you put directly in their hands.

Touche[/QUOTE]One minute your talking about blackmailing putas then next you don't deal with them. Sometimes you say some smart shit then the next post you contradict yourself. Plus no one here needs a dude to help get pussy in Sosua. I'm scared to ask what service you provide, is your name Rupaul?

Good luck at being a major player.

Calling in extra police to help quell riots is one matter. Calling in and paying extra money to police to harass street chicas only because some female mayor wants it, I aint buying it.

Worldwide economic turn down, do I see the powers that be in DR risking losing any investment monies because some investor may say it is unsightly to have prostitutes in the street? No. The guys in power will do what it takes so that they don't lose any investments.

You still have not explained to me how and why the crackdowns occurred in both Sosua and Santo Domingo at the same time.

Polanco Guzman chief of the National Police. You have no clue who I know on the island.

For sure you are not in Dom Rep to monger, you said yourself ALL women are just moist holes to relieve tension. In a previous post you wrote about Saudi Arabia, your views on women jibe with how many Saudi men feel about women, Saudi women have very little rights. 15 of 19 hijackers on September 11, 2001 were from Saudi Arabia. Appears you have a hatred of guys from the United States, I wonder what your true mission could be in Dom Rep and who is paying your freight to be there

[QUOTE=Negro562]As always the Big American visitor chimes in with his perspective of what is going on on the island which he does not live.

Now, please explain to me why the Mayor of Sosua can not call her cousin who is the head of the Policia Nacional for Sosua and tell him to send some of his boys down and harass the shit out of the chicas every night? Explain this to me? As far as I have seen during my years living here everyone is related to everyone else. Shit. The damn motoconchos in any town on this island have juice with the police. Therefore, what you are saying is absurd.

The only people who don't have pull with the police is you. And, if the police see it as a way they can get them some extra money you damn well better believe that they are all for it. (I can't tell how many times I have passed roadblocks drunk and all it took was a few hundred pesos to be on my way.)

Hell, hustlers set up a fake road blocks themselves and say they are the police and extorting drivers until the real police showed up. In this country anything is possible. Hell, you can blow a fools head off and walk out of jail so why couldn't the mayor tell the police to harass the chicas?

Now, as far as this comment is concerned Policia Nacional are making about 3000 to 5000 peso per month. All the police officers I know have two and three jobs. I am pretty sure that are lined up at roll call to take this assignment. (Money from a chica or get your dick sucked for freedom.

They constantly have riots in Navarrette. Where do the extra Policia Nacional come from? Navarrette is a small town like Sosua. Do you really think Navarrette's mayor can call up the Policial Nacional and request extra officers to come in an restore the calm? Yes. They make the call and officers are sent from Santiago. How do I know this? One of my friends that was a nacional policia officer from Santiago was killed in Navarrette.

So, yes. In some instances what you wrote was correct. The central government is paying the salaries of the Policia Nacional but, you are wrong to think the Mayor of a small town like Sosua has no say. Very wrong.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Negro562]COol.. I am not in to sleep with putas anyways.....

Also, I am fairly lively and attractive so, I tend to do pretty well with regular women worldwide. However, all b*tche$ are hoe$. .....

Touche[/QUOTE]

Ayyypapi, er.. sorry, N562 I mean,

Come on, nobody is allowed to have an opinion but you? You live here, or so I gather, so no-one else can say or do something you wouldn't?

Come on, let's keep the board civil. There are ways to talk without knocking someone. Heck even Ayyypapi started talking civil after a while.

Like my wise mother used to say, "can't you children play nice?"

My 2 cents,

P

Yea Negro, its a discussion/info board that is what it is for. People chime in with whatever they think or have seen.

[QUOTE=Negro562]As always the Big American visitor chimes in with his perspective of what is going on on the island which he does not live.

Now, please explain to me why the Mayor of Sosua can not call her cousin who is the head of the Policia Nacional for Sosua and tell him to send some of his boys down and harass the shit out of the chicas every night? Explain this to me? As far as I have seen during my years living here everyone is related to everyone else. Shit. The damn motoconchos in any town on this island have juice with the police. Therefore, what you are saying is absurd.

The only people who don't have pull with the police is you. And, if the police see it as a way they can get them some extra money you damn well better believe that they are all for it. (I can't tell how many times I have passed roadblocks drunk and all it took was a few hundred pesos to be on my way.)

Hell, hustlers set up a fake road blocks themselves and say they are the police and extorting drivers until the real police showed up. In this country anything is possible. Hell, you can blow a fools head off and walk out of jail so why couldn't the mayor tell the police to harass the chicas?

Now, as far as this comment is concerned Policia Nacional are making about 3000 to 5000 peso per month. All the police officers I know have two and three jobs. I am pretty sure that are lined up at roll call to take this assignment. (Money from a chica or get your dick sucked for freedom.

They constantly have riots in Navarrette. Where do the extra Policia Nacional come from? Navarrette is a small town like Sosua. Do you really think Navarrette's mayor can call up the Policial Nacional and request extra officers to come in an restore the calm? Yes. They make the call and officers are sent from Santiago. How do I know this? One of my friends that was a nacional policia officer from Santiago was killed in Navarrette.

So, yes. In some instances what you wrote was correct. The central government is paying the salaries of the Policia Nacional but, you are wrong to think the Mayor of a small town like Sosua has no say. Very wrong.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jaosousa]15 of 19 hijackers on September 11, 2001 were from Saudi Arabia. Appears you have a hatred of guys from the United States[/QUOTE]

Not to defend anybody or take stance, but what that has do with anything? Can an American have a discussion about the world without pulling terrorism in there ?

By the way I got to know a guy from S.A. in Pattaya. He is respectful to anybody including Jews, is annoyed about the B.S going on in his country, the following time that I meet him he is going toward free thinking and downplaying importance of religion in life. I am honored to have him as friend.

So let's not stereotype please.

[QUOTE=Negro562]am into selling services. Making sure people like you come and have a great time.[/QUOTE]

Where the Mayor should have started the cleanup, parasito's like you.

[QUOTE=Negro562]I am in Sosua five days a week. I see what is transpiring first hand. There is no speculation. I am not trying to figure out what is happening. I see it happening five days each weeks. Sometimes six days. They are not stopping the inner island girls from coming here to get money as long as they go in the club and handle their business. If shutting the inner island girls out was the plan then they would shut down the little rooming houses where the women stay. Those places are still open and girls are still coming in.[/QUOTE]

Lost total credibility with me here. Two of my regulars were arrested this week and spent one night each in jail... "inner island girls".

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]Day 3 Sunday***The Cheetos Dilemma!

I reached over and attempted to grab the bag of Cheetos to return the bag to the bartender; didn't work! That girl had a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a small child's neck![/QUOTE]

This is the most disgusting imagery I've ever seen posted on this board.

Noone else noticed???

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Not to defend anybody or take stance, but what that has do with anything? Can an American have a discussion about the world without pulling terrorism in there ?

By the way I got to know a guy from S.A. in Pattaya. He is respectful to anybody including Jews, annoyed about the B.S going on in his country, the following time that I meet him he was going toward free thinking and downplaying religion importance in life. I am honored to have him as friend.

So let's not stereotype please.[/QUOTE]My apologies to you and your friend for any offense. Not all Muslims are bad people, I know some very nice Muslim people.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Its funny with all the theorys here. I started out with the undercover Euro investment idea, then later said its about a little more respectability. Nego562 started with the Haitian wipeout theory but after Jao shot that down by saying the SD crackdown didn't involve Haitians, he now says it a money grab. Now we hear Lionel was having an affair. And some people say keep an eye on the stalled projects between Sosua and Cabarette(for renovation). But I heard one the other day thats pretty good.

A few months ago Lionel visited Obama at the White house. The word is Obama gave him a heads up about future developments with Cuba. If the DR doesn't start to prepare now to compete with Cuba in the future for tourist dollars it will be left behind. Cuba has been allowing limited European monies for two golf communites with 200 condos each. Not a big deal but food for thought.[/QUOTE]

I have another theory: the "I have bigger guevos theory". I read there is a new Policia Nacional chief since August or September. The former chief left his job with a few scary statistics about PN: Policia Nacional was involved in 40% of gunfire kills, lots of stops for bribery to civilians (more than ever). New chief wants to show he has "cojones" by doing shows of force. Just another theory.

[QUOTE=Ponderosa]Ayyypapi, er.. sorry, N562 I mean,[/QUOTE]Yep, that's what I was thinking.

-Helpmann :)

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]This is the most disgusting imagery I've ever seen posted on this board.

Noone else noticed???[/QUOTE]We noticed but the guy meant no harm. Out of all the good and funny parts of his story you pick that to dwell on. Lighten up and take a chill pill its not that serious. You act like he is the worst guy to ever post here.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Its funny with all the theorys here. I started out with the undercover Euro investment idea, then later said its about a little more respectability. Nego562 started with the Haitian wipeout theory but after Jao shot that down by saying the SD crackdown didn't involve Haitians, he now says it a money grab. Now we hear Lionel was having an affair. And some people say keep an eye on the stalled projects between Sosua and Cabarette(for renovation). But I heard one the other day thats pretty good.

A few months ago Lionel visited Obama at the White house. The word is Obama gave him a heads up about future developments with Cuba. If the DR doesn't start to prepare now to compete with Cuba in the future for tourist dollars it will be left behind. Cuba has been allowing limited European monies for two golf communites with 200 condos each. Not a big deal but food for thought.[/QUOTE]Mr. Gogo: You are right that there are too many conspiracy theories here. But this last one you are considering is also unlikely.

I don't think that there will be any changes in the near future in US-Cuba relations. Why? Because a Cuban-American will be the head of the Congressional committee on foreign policy. And she is heavily invested in maintaining a policy that has failed for 50 years now.

[url]http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20101127cuban-american_to_head_house_foreign_affairs/[/url]

Add to that the election of Cuban-American Marco Rubio as Senator from FL and the end of the embargo is no-where in sight even if this president was to support it.

If the old man dies, then public sentiment may change things - but until then I expect no changes.

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]This is the most disgusting imagery I've ever seen posted on this board.

Noone else noticed???[/QUOTE]We noticed but the guy meant no harm. Out of all the good and funny parts of his story you pick that to dwell on. Lighten up and take a chill pill its not that serious. You act like he is the worst guy to ever post here.

[QUOTE=Negro562]As always the Big American visitor chimes in with his perspective of what is going on on the island which he does not live.[/QUOTE]I am a little overweight, so you can call me Big American, although I do have two passports from two different countries.

Maybe you are correct about the crackdowns and I am wrong. No problem for me. This site is about exchanging ideas and information. I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again in things I post here.

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]This is the most disgusting imagery I've ever seen posted on this board.

Noone else noticed???[/QUOTE]
This is one great example as to why there are a lack of trip reports on ISG. You take extra time to write-up a report of somewhat quality, instead of, "Yeah I fucked 7 women in 2 hours and popped 15 times." And there is always at least one person that will find something negative about it. People don't want to put their heads on a chopping block, just so 1 or 2 others can take a whack at it (analogy as well).

It was only an analogy, focused on a strong grip, not something I wanted you to visualize; sorry to disturb you.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]This is one great example as to why there are a lack of trip reports on ISG. You take extra time to write-up a report of somewhat quality, instead of, "Yeah I fucked 7 women in 2 hours and popped 15 times." And there is always at least one person that will find something negative about it. People don't want to put their heads on a chopping block, just so 1 or 2 others can take a whack at it (analogy as well).

It was only an analogy, focused on a strong grip, not something I wanted you to visualize; sorry to disturb you.[/QUOTE]Nothing for you to feel sorry for, that was a great report. Some people here live in a negative enviornment where bullshit prevails. With all the current topics being debated, it behooves me how someone can stray so far off topic and search for one sentence and try to put someone down for it when the whole report was good. Your report was appreciated, the problem that guy has is within himself.

[QUOTE=Reconnoiter]Mr. Gogo: You are right that there are too many conspiracy theories here. But this last one you are considering is also unlikely.

I don't think that there will be any changes in the near future in US-Cuba relations. Why? Because a Cuban-American will be the head of the Congressional committee on foreign policy. And she is heavily invested in maintaining a policy that has failed for 50 years now.

[url]http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20101127cuban-american_to_head_house_foreign_affairs/[/url]

Add to that the election of Cuban-American Marco Rubio as Senator from FL and the end of the embargo is no-where in sight even if this president was to support it.

If the old man dies, then public sentiment may change things - but until then I expect no changes.[/QUOTE]Very good response, I agree until Castro is gone there will be no change.

Thanks for the info.

Ok so here it is. Me and my 2 buddies will be leaving for Sosua Tomorrow. First time for all of us but it was my idea. Thank you ISG because of your site I feel like my trip will be a much safer and fun vacation (or adventure). I read back pretty far but I have a feeling nothing will prepare me for the next week. I didn't post because I had nothing to contribute. I have been to every spring break and festival there is but Sosua is a whole different animal that I need to tame.

I know the new laws will be going into effect in a few days but it's cool with me because i have no old Sosua trip to compare it to so it will be all new to me. If I can find an internet cafe or similar I will try to update the site as I see it is courteous to give back to those that helped me learn and laugh reading other posts and trip reports. Tomjackin and Coolie High thanks for your first timer reports. I see some of your mistakes can be just as eventful as the jackpots so i will go with the flow and see how it turns out. Also thanks to all the veterans (too many to name) thanks for the info. Ill be sure to watch those pick pockets and avoid the tigers if i can spot them after 15 presidentes. If i can have half as much fun and you'll did your first time I know it will well worth the dinero. Well its 3 am in NY and I cant sleep because Ive got my mind on Sosua and Sosua on my mind.

Newjack!

I kept looking for what this guy was talking about and when I found it I busted out laughing. That was a great analogy, that ***** wasnt giving up them cheetos!

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]This is the most disgusting imagery I've ever seen posted on this board.

Noone else noticed???[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=New Jack City]Ok so here it is. Me and my 2 buddies will be leaving for Sosua Tomorrow. First time for all of us but it was my idea. Thank you ISG because of your site I feel like my trip will be a much safer and fun vacation (or adventure). I read back pretty far but I have a feeling nothing will prepare me for the next week. I didn't post because I had nothing to contribute. I have been to every spring break and festival there is but Sosua is a whole different animal that I need to tame.

I know the new laws will be going into effect in a few days but it's cool with me because i have no old Sosua trip to compare it to so it will be all new to me. If I can find an internet cafe or similar I will try to update the site as I see it is courteous to give back to those that helped me learn and laugh reading other posts and trip reports. Tomjackin and Coolie High thanks for your first timer reports. I see some of your mistakes can be just as eventful as the jackpots so i will go with the flow and see how it turns out. Also thanks to all the veterans (too many to name) thanks for the info. Ill be sure to watch those pick pockets and avoid the tigers if i can spot them after 15 presidentes. If i can have half as much fun and you'll did your first time I know it will well worth the dinero. Well its 3 am in NY and I cant sleep because Ive got my mind on Sosua and Sosua on my mind.

Newjack![/QUOTE]You have done your homework, you will be okay.

Look forward for your report.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]This is one great example as to why there are a lack of trip reports on ISG. You take extra time to write-up a report of somewhat quality, instead of, "Yeah I fucked 7 women in 2 hours and popped 15 times." And there is always at least one person that will find something negative about it. People don't want to put their heads on a chopping block, just so 1 or 2 others can take a whack at it (analogy as well)..........[/QUOTE]
I hear you. You will find that on just about any message board. Always a few that will discourage others from posting. I have learned to ignore the stupid stuff and move on. You post, you read, you find new friends.

Thanks again for your report.

From,
one of the guys who enjoyed it.........

[QUOTE=Jaosousa]My apologies to you and your friend for any offense. Not all Muslims are bad people, I know some very nice Muslim people.[/QUOTE]

No need to apologize. It shows from your posts that you're a civil and reasonable guy. You just got a little carried away in the discussion with a quite antagonistical party.

Keep the intel coming!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]This is one great example as to why there are a lack of trip reports on ISG. You take extra time to write-up a report of somewhat quality, instead of, "Yeah I fucked 7 women in 2 hours and popped 15 times." And there is always at least one person that will find something negative about it. People don't want to put their heads on a chopping block, just so 1 or 2 others can take a whack at it (analogy as well).

It was only an analogy, focused on a strong grip, not something I wanted you to visualize; sorry to disturb you.[/QUOTE]


I thought it was pretty funny considering you and the chips routine in tijuana. Your report was funny honest and informative. I'm glad you had a good time in sosua.

Pay no mind to all the negative BS and just focus on the positive. This site does wonders for people who travel.

Artisttyp

Watch out because chips are highly addictive, right now I'm getting the monkey off my shoulder, with the strength of a toddler biting a pitbull.

Never ever buy a certain "Los Pericos" brand because they are actually [i]insanely[/i] addictive!!!

I never thought that my comments would be mistaken to the point that I would be considered un-American. Wow. Let you guys tell it all the chicas hate me and I am walking around Sosua trying to murk out every American I see. Go figure.

That's cool. The great thing about being American is I can pretty much say and do whatever I want and how you feel about it doesn't matter. So, keep up the great work! Take whatever I write for whatever you want. I am not really short on friends so there is no love lost.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa]I am a little overweight, so you can call me Big American, although I do have two passports from two different countries.

Maybe you are correct about the crackdowns and I am wrong. No problem for me. This site is about exchanging ideas and information. I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again in things I post here.[/QUOTE]

I respect that. I was just giving my take on what I see in day to day life as someone who lives here.

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob]Where the Mayor should have started the cleanup, parasito's like you.



Lost total credibility with me here. Two of my regulars were arrested this week and spent one night each in jail... "inner island girls".[/QUOTE]

They should have run.

[QUOTE=Negro562]I respect that. I was just giving my take on what I see in day to day life as someone who lives here.[/QUOTE]No problem bro, be safe.

[QUOTE=Ponderosa]Ayyypapi, er.. sorry, N562 I mean,

Come on, nobody is allowed to have an opinion but you? You live here, or so I gather, so no-one else can say or do something you wouldn't?

Come on, let's keep the board civil. There are ways to talk without knocking someone. Heck even Ayyypapi started talking civil after a while.

Like my wise mother used to say, "can't you children play nice?"

My 2 cents,

P[/QUOTE]

My comment was my two cents. I was only saying what I see as someone who lives here.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]One minute your talking about blackmailing putas then next you don't deal with them. Sometimes you say some smart shit then the next post you contradict yourself. Plus no one here needs a dude to help get pussy in Sosua. I'm scared to ask what service you provide, is your name Rupaul?

Good luck at being a major player.[/QUOTE]

I have no interest in men. Sorry. Next.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I thought it was pretty funny considering you and the chips routine in tijuana. Your report was funny honest and informative. I'm glad you had a good time in sosua.

Pay no mind to all the negative BS and just focus on the positive. This site does wonders for people who travel.

Artisttyp[/QUOTE]Agreed with Artisttyp and the fellas, pay the negativity no never mind. Great report Tomjackin. Had my cup of joe in my hand reading your reports and wishing I was back in sosua dealing with the stalking females, and aggressive chicas. Easy on eating pussy though. We've all got caught up in the moment and went deep sea diving but you have to remember in Sosua that's community pussy your eating. Meaning the whole community probably had a taste before you did LOL

I touch on this subject with Artisttyp briefly when I was in Tijuana but what are your thoughts on the difference between Tijuana chicas and sosua chicas. And which one would you prefer and fill more comftable with. Myself I prefer sosua because of the GFE you can instantly have with a honey where as in Tijuana it's more of a "wham bam thank you mam" atmosphere.

[QUOTE=New Jack City]Ok so here it is. Me and my 2 buddies will be leaving for Sosua Tomorrow. First time for all of us but it was my idea. Thank you ISG because of your site I feel like my trip will be a much safer and fun vacation (or adventure). I read back pretty far but I have a feeling nothing will prepare me for the next week. I didn't post because I had nothing to contribute. I have been to every spring break and festival there is but Sosua is a whole different animal that I need to tame.

I know the new laws will be going into effect in a few days but it's cool with me because I have no old Sosua trip to compare it to so it will be all new to me. If I can find an internet cafe or similar I will try to update the site as I see it is courteous to give back to those that helped me learn and laugh reading other posts and trip reports. Tomjackin and Coolie High thanks for your first timer reports. I see some of your mistakes can be just as eventful as the jackpots so I will go with the flow and see how it turns out. Also thanks to all the veterans (too many to name) thanks for the info. I'll be sure to watch those pick pockets and avoid the tigers if I can spot them after 15 presidentes. If I can have half as much fun and you'll did your first time I know it will well worth the dinero. Well its 3 am in NY and I can't sleep because I've got my mind on Sosua and Sosua on my mind.

Newjack[/QUOTE]Hey New Jack have a good time down there. It's going to be a great and weird feeling for you when you realize that your no longer the hunter but the hunted. There going to smell new money as soon as you touch down so be aggressive and firm in anything you do but more importantly have fun. Look forward to your report

Shout outs to BlkBigBootyluv very nice reporting in Mr. Gogos forum and SavePros321, good to see you back contributing that knowledge to the forum.

Peace,

Coolie High

[QUOTE=Jaosousa]Calling in extra police to help quell riots is one matter. Calling in and paying extra money to police to harass street chicas only because some female mayor wants it, I aint buying it.

Worldwide economic turn down, do I see the powers that be in DR risking losing any investment monies because some investor may say it is unsightly to have prostitutes in the street? No. The guys in power will do what it takes so that they don't lose any investments.

You still have not explained to me how and why the crackdowns occurred in both Sosua and Santo Domingo at the same time.

Polanco Guzman chief of the National Police. You have no clue who I know on the island.

For sure you are not in Dom Rep to monger, you said yourself ALL women are just moist holes to relieve tension. In a previous post you wrote about Saudi Arabia, your views on women jibe with how many Saudi men feel about women, Saudi women have very little rights. 15 of 19 hijackers on September 11, 2001 were from Saudi Arabia. Appears you have a hatred of guys from the United States, I wonder what your true mission could be in Dom Rep and who is paying your freight to be there[/QUOTE]

Now, I am going to say that I actually like commenting on your stuff because it breads thought at times. I don't know about being a highjacker because I only do harm to folks over business or personal stuff so, I can't see myself putting lead, a blade or hands on someone who didn't do anything to me or mine. That's just how the game goes with me.

I was about to write more but, I am actually going to go out on PC and do a little recon. I have been seeing some things lately that I want to confirm before I say anything else but, when I do, I want my stuff to be based on facts.

Have a great evening.

P.S. My computer skills pay my bills. Not anyone with a beard.

[quote=mr gogo]we noticed but the guy meant no harm. out of all the good and funny parts of his story you pick that to dwell on. lighten up and take a chill pill its not that serious. you act like he is the worst guy to ever post here.[/quote]ok, my bad.

i was speed reading through the forum after the long holiday weeknd and was stopped dead in my tracks by that one sentence. i closed the browser, got up and went on to something else.

he could've said maybe; a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bul's jaws gripped around a slab of raw meat. but no, his first instinct was:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a small child's neck!"

i'll just chill.

or he coulda wrote, a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a stray cat's neck! no way. the analogy had to be:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a small child's neck!"

ok, i'll lighten up.

or even; a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped on the neck of a perv tryin to accost, my child!

nope, he defaults to:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a defenseless small child's neck!"

how do - you - get there??

and by you, i don't mean you personally gg.

i just got one question for ya (or anyone with the intellectual honesty to face it):

you're a smart guy gogo: are you sure you're ok defending this?

it's indefensible amigo.

[quote=schwmmr]ok, my bad.

i was speed reading through the forum after the long holiday weeknd and was stopped dead in my tracks by that one sentence. i closed the browser, got up and went on to something else.

he could've said maybe; a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bul's jaws gripped around a slab of raw meat. but no, his first instinct was:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a small child's neck!"

i'll just chill.

or he coulda wrote, a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a stray cat's neck! no way. the analogy had to be:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a small child's neck!"

ok, i'll lighten up.

or even; a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped on the neck of a perv tryin to accost, my child!

nope, he defaults to:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a defenseless small child's neck!"

how do - you - get there??

and by you, i don't mean you personally gg.

i just got one question for ya (or anyone with the intellectual honesty to face it):

you're a smart guy gogo: are you sure you're ok defending this?

it's indefensible amigo.[/quote]


his story reminds me of something very funny that happened to me in peru:

i was going on several internet dates that i had pre arranged before going down. i took one girl i met to a buffet. when i had returned to the table from the buffet line i noticed her shoveling a *combination of food off her plate into *a plastic baggie that the waitress brought her. it was all very embarrassing to me.

after lunch we go to the beach for a while ( hot sun and humidity) and she is clutching onto her purse with the food in it for dear life. when it started getting dark we headed back to my hotel. i offered to put her baggie in the fridge while we were there...no. she would rather it stay in her funky purse
that had been at the beach for 3 hours.

i couldn't take another moment of this freak so i went for the dfk and was obliged for a few seconds then back to clutching the purse...weird but funny. i sent her on her way shortly afterwards.

then there is the story about the escort who locked herself in my bathroom for 40 minutes on my dime because she wanted to shave in hot water....

i wish i had better writing skills to color up my stories better. weird shit happens when you monger and i for one want to hear about it :)

[quote=schwmmr]ok, my bad.

i was speed reading through the forum after the long holiday weeknd and was stopped dead in my tracks by that one sentence. i closed the browser, got up and went on to something else.

he could've said maybe; a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bul's jaws gripped around a slab of raw meat. but no, his first instinct was:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a small child's neck!"

i'll just chill.

or he coulda wrote, a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a stray cat's neck! no way. the analogy had to be:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a small child's neck!"

ok, i'll lighten up.

or even; a grip that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped on the neck of a perv tryin to accost, my child!

nope, he defaults to:

"a grip on that bag that could only be equaled to a pit bull's jaws gripped around a defenseless small child's neck!"

how do - you - get there??

and by you, i don't mean you personally gg.

i just got one question for ya (or anyone with the intellectual honesty to face it):

you're a smart guy gogo: are you sure you're ok defending this?

it's indefensible amigo.[/quote]i'm not a "book smart " type of guy, but i make a good call from a "common sense" platform.

i read your post three times and waited trying to digest what your saying. i'm sure he wouldn't make that analogy with the family at christmas or in a work enviornment. but on a sex forum, talking about hunting sex in a sex town, with humor, i give him a pass. if it hit your moral compass, then maybe you shouldn't be on a sex forum.

besides what could we do about it anyway if we didn't like it? have him tarred and feathered. i'm willing to bet that you didn't laugh or smile at his report. but you made a point of posting what you didn't like.

you shouldve said" nice report but the analogy about the pitbull was rough to me but thanks for posting".

But this makes all this stuff good. I had a buddy with me at New Garden and Blackbeards and he is notoriously cheap. So every morning we would all pay are girls, no problem(there were 9 of us) and sure enough every morning we would hear yelling come from are buddy's room, then the girl would come in my room and say he was trying to take off drinks and dinner from her earnings for the night that he paid for
while we were out? We would be like what the fuck Jack, just pay her! So lo and behold he would pay her most of it and then give her a piece of left over steak and say thats it , that all adds up to enough. Your not getting no more: xxx dollars+piece of steak = paid. Needless to say it was a long 7days.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]His story reminds me of something very funny that happened to me in peru:

I was going on several internet dates that I had pre arranged before going down. I took one girl I met to a buffet. When I had returned to the table from the buffet line I noticed her shoveling a *combination of food off her plate into *a plastic baggie that the WAITRESS brought her. It was all very embarrassing to me.

After lunch we go to the beach for a while ( hot sun and humidity) and she is clutching onto her purse with the food in it for dear life. When it started getting dark we headed back to my hotel. I offered to put her baggie in the fridge while we were there...NO. She would rather it stay in her funky purse
that had been at the beach for 3 hours.

I couldn't take another moment of this freak so I went for the DFK and was obliged for a few seconds then back to clutching the purse...WEIRD but funny. I sent her on her way shortly afterwards.

Then there is the story about the escort who locked herself in my bathroom for 40 minutes on my dime because she wanted to shave in hot water....

I wish I had better writing skills to color up my stories better. Weird shit happens when you monger and I for one want to hear about it :)[/QUOTE]

Sid is having an unbelievable streak of luck with 4 young chicas(all, are now my
''private stock'')! Meanwhile, Toymann has toyed 4 hotties in 24
hours! All chicas at 1/2 the price of BA. Don't tell Jack. He
might ''ban'' Toymann or raise his rent!

day 1

first report so bare with me. i said if i could find some internet i would contribute to the forum so here it goes.

so i've touched down in the land of chicas and presidentes. lounging on my balcony trying to get my head together after last nights events. yesterday i arrived around 1pm. my flight was cool and comfortable. left ny and its cold rain and arrived at pop, we paid 10 for a tourist card, they were giving free liquor right next to the tourist stand so i grabbed me a shot of brugal, went through baggage check, they tried to get a tip out of me so i told him next time and kept it moving. everybody was trying carry our bags and my boys almost let them but i remembered what i read on isg so i told my boys grab your own bags and let's go. walked out of pop airport into 90 degree heat. the condo sent a taxi with my name so we hopped in the taxi. as i'm peeling off clothing i noticed my boy had let the cab drivers friend grab one of his bag and he was sticking his hand through asking for a propina. i gave him 2 dollars and off we went. i told my boy if your not careful this town will propina you to death. the taxi could not get the car to stay on so we spent a few minutes baking in the hot taxi. we noticed his gas hand was on e and although he said it no trabajo we nicknamed him "mita no gasolina" and joked with him about his new name all the way to the condo. as we rolled out headed to sosua little motorbikes carrying people, kids, and chicas rolled by. the chicas on the bikes stared and propositioned us to hang out with them which had us all saying jokingly what the hell have we gotten ourselves into lol. as we got closer to town we are surrounded by little mom and pop shops selling anything and everything. we were hit on by more chicas, dodging stray dogs and laughing at the motorbikes riding 3 and 4 on one cycle. i only can relate it to scarface hitting miami for the for the first time and thinking to himself with the excited look as if to say i'm going to take this town by storm.

we hit sosua and papi no gasolina wants to stop for us to get money exchanged. i told him no thanks just get us to the hotel. chicas are rolling up on us and i noticed all it takes is a look or a wave and they are at the car window like what's up you want me because i want you aka your dinero. like i stated i've never been here but if sosua is slowing down i can't imagine what its like when its not slow.

we hit the condo, gave papi no gasolina 20 plus propina, told him he would be our sosua taxi if we need a ride. paid for our place and although we were all tired we showered and headed out to the supermarket and the money exchange. freddy who is the handy man offered to show us around town. were walking around getting the tour and chicas are in little open air bars and walking the streets, in the supermarket basically everywhere you going rolling tongues at us and smacking our buts and saying what's up come talk to me. 2 little kids ran up on me and my boys. they were shouting in spanish trying to get us off point waving their arms and grabbing our pants. one was rubbing on my pocket a little to close. my isg instinct kicked in and i had to give him a little tough love to get him off me. it happened so quick i see how easy a person can get pickpocketed out here. i don't think those 2 kids will be running up on me again. we head back to the condo to shower and drink. we bought 6 bottles of liquor from jfk and a case of presidente lite.

feeling good and freshened up we hit the strip just before sundown.

day 1 part 2 coming soon including the ms dash chicken, meeting my girl kelis, the street argument and new jack almost getting jacked up by the policia.

new jack

[QUOTE=New Jack City]they were giving free liquor right next to the tourist stand so I grabbed me a shot of Brugal, went through baggage check, they tried to get a tip out of me so I told him next time and kept it moving.
[/quote]

Only in the DR! in my case it was the immigration officer asking for a tip, I gave him a "how you dare" look and that was enough :)

The free shots is priceless, imagine that in the US, FREE alcohol and a chance that someone 20 yrs and 363 days may get a sip !!! Scary stuff!!!

Dec. 3 is here, just wondering if anyone is in Sosua now to witness what changes may come from this day forward. Hoping things don't change drastically, maybe we'll just need a different approach. I'm sure chicas will still be available, just not in your face as we've become accustomed to over the years. I pan to be back ASAP.

The Beach has been very quiet. See pics

Now occupied by heafty german women and portly men.

The girls are not allowed on the beach (stopped by Politur).

'Unless they work for a beach business, or are accompanied at all times.

No parade anywhere today.

Clasico has taken down there red curtain.

Secrets has put up a curtain.

Sosua Life is battleship grey with tinted panel windows.

Flow is slow. And The Rumba bar is empty.

Also find some Sosua landmarks and eyesores.

It's a good thing the DR doesn't want nor need monger money anymore. With the latest economic numbers families will be lining up in droves to fly to and spend their holiday cash in Sosua!

[url]http://m.cnbc.com/id/40489270[/url]

FELIZ NAVIDAD BISHES!! The next round of drinks are on the Mayor!

[QUOTE=Funinthesun63]Dec. 3 is here, just wondering if anyone is in Sosua now to witness what changes may come from this day forward. Hoping things don't change drastically, maybe we'll just need a different approach. I'm sure chicas will still be available, just not in your face as we've become accustomed to over the years. I pan to be back ASAP.[/QUOTE]I just got back and I respectfully have to say that all this talk about a crackdown has been waaaaay overblown. Me and/or my wingmen were in the bars and on the street every day and night and never saw a girl get hassled let alone arrested and there were girls everywhere all the time. There was definitely a higher police presence but they weren't doing anything but hanging around. I had to fly back to the states because I have tickets to the Giants game in New York Sunday and then it is on to round two,I will be back in Sosua on Monday. I will report back on any changes I see but I am guessing it will be business as usual.

[quote=new jack city]day 1

first report so bare with me. i said if i could find some internet i would contribute to the forum so here it goes.

so i've touched down in the land of chicas and presidentes. lounging on my balcony trying to get my head together after last nights events. yesterday i arrived around 1pm. my flight was cool and comfortable. left ny and its cold rain and arrived at pop, we paid 10 for a tourist card, they were giving free liquor right next to the tourist stand so i grabbed me a shot of brugal, went through baggage check, they tried to get a tip out of me so i told him next time and kept it moving. everybody was trying carry our bags and my boys almost let them but i remembered what i read on isg so i told my boys grab your own bags and let's go. walked out of pop airport into 90 degree heat. the condo sent a taxi with my name so we hopped in the taxi. as i'm peeling off clothing i noticed my boy had let the cab drivers friend grab one of his bag and he was sticking his hand through asking for a propina. i gave him 2 dollars and off we went. i told my boy if your not careful this town will propina you to death. the taxi could not get the car to stay on so we spent a few minutes baking in the hot taxi. we noticed his gas hand was on e and although he said it no trabajo we nicknamed him "mita no gasolina" and joked with him about his new name all the way to the condo. as we rolled out headed to sosua little motorbikes carrying people, kids, and chicas rolled by. the chicas on the bikes stared and propositioned us to hang out with them which had us all saying jokingly what the hell have we gotten ourselves into lol. as we got closer to town we are surrounded by little mom and pop shops selling anything and everything. we were hit on by more chicas, dodging stray dogs and laughing at the motorbikes riding 3 and 4 on one cycle. i only can relate it to scarface hitting miami for the for the first time and thinking to himself with the excited look as if to say i'm going to take this town by storm.

we hit sosua and papi no gasolina wants to stop for us to get money exchanged. i told him no thanks just get us to the hotel. chicas are rolling up on us and i noticed all it takes is a look or a wave and they are at the car window like what's up you want me because i want you aka your dinero. like i stated i've never been here but if sosua is slowing down i can't imagine what its like when its not slow.

we hit the condo, gave papi no gasolina 20 plus propina, told him he would be our sosua taxi if we need a ride. paid for our place and although we were all tired we showered and headed out to the supermarket and the money exchange. freddy who is the handy man offered to show us around town. were walking around getting the tour and chicas are in little open air bars and walking the streets, in the supermarket basically everywhere you going rolling tongues at us and smacking our buts and saying what's up come talk to me. 2 little kids ran up on me and my boys. they were shouting in spanish trying to get us off point waving their arms and grabbing our pants. one was rubbing on my pocket a little to close. my isg instinct kicked in and i had to give him a little tough love to get him off me. it happened so quick i see how easy a person can get pickpocketed out here. i don't think those 2 kids will be running up on me again. we head back to the condo to shower and drink. we bought 6 bottles of liquor from jfk and a case of presidente lite.

feeling good and freshened up we hit the strip just before sundown.

day 1 part 2 coming soon including the ms dash chicken, meeting my girl kelis, the street argument and new jack almost getting jacked up by the policia.

new jack[/quote]looking forward to ur next update new jack..wish i was there with ya!

day 1 part 2

so we hit the strip and immediately we are the fish in the bowl. chicas must have smelled the fresh meat because they seemed to know it was our first time. we found a shop selling chicken out of a steel drum that was so damn good we returned 3 times today. we liked sitting in front of the guys shop and could not figure out what seasoning this guy was using. we finally figured it was mrs dash according to my boy. i will be investing in a bottle of that seasoning back in the us. we did a few laps on the strip and settled in a bar owned by a guy from ny. it was a bigger bar so we had room to observe and not get swarmed. one thing i see is you cannot make eye contact with any chica unless you want her to come over. they seem to always be looking at you when your looking at them. most came with the hard sell and that kinda turned me off. one chica who looks like the r&b singer kelis saw me looking and speed walked across the bar to me. she hit me with the hard sell and saw my reaction so she left, readjusted her strategy and returned a more calm. i actually liked her but my cousin had told me don't jump at the first one you like so i didn't. after a few hours of chicas and drinks we went back to the room to get ready for the late night. i ended up outside with freddy the handy man drinking and learning more about his life and the country. i went back in to get my boys and they were both knocked the hell out. yo freddy you want to go to the strip with me and party? he said yes i'm about to get off work and off we went.

the strip was more packed than earlier and the vibe was rocking. i saw kelis had and her hair was all messed up so i knew what she was doing. we bar hopped and ended up down stairs from classico at merengue bar. it was really crowded and i was feeling the alcohol so i organized my pockets and went in. it was packed with chicas everywhere. they are walking by in groups and before you can check one out another is coming right behind her. i didn't want to go to the club today but freddy suggested we go up to classicos to check it out. cool i give him the pesos and he gets the tickets. he took a little long to come back so when he returned we both agreed it was late, he wanted to go home to his family and i was exhausted from no sleep. here's where the first night took a hard left.

we get the ticket money back and are standing in front of the club about to part ways and freddy asks for money. i told him money for what. he says he showed me around and tried to get me a girl. i told him you gave us the tour earlier and we tipped you well. and why would i need you to get me a girl, i speak pretty good spanish, have money and its fuckn sosua bro, if i can't get my own pussy here i need to stop trying. i told him i asked you if you wanted to party with me and you said yes, i bought all your drinks and never asked you for any favors. the classico security tells us we can't argue in the front so were walking up the middle of the street still screaming at each other and he's telling me its the domincan way. as were about to turn the corner toward my condo 2 police on a motorbike speed up to us, hop off and grab me up. they are going through my pockets so fast and screaming in spanish too fast for me to understand. i thought they were robbing me but they weren't. freddy explains the situation to them and they give me back my beer. one young cop looked about 21 years old holds out his hand for me to pay him. i stood my ground and told him i'm not paying you because i didn't do anything illegal. he smiles as to say your pretty smart gringo and gives me my beer and tells me to go. as i'm walking i see they are still harassing freddy. part of me wanted to keep walking but i remembered how good freddy was to us earlier and our real cool conversation about our lives while sipping the presidentes back at the villa earlier. i gathered the nerve and i returned to the cops thinking to myself you are about to go to jail. they are telling me to get lost but i told them he's my friend and were came together so we are leaving together. they let freddy go and we immediately start back up with our whole dominican way argument all the way back. were both pissed and exhausted. he worked all day and i hadn't slept for almost 2 days so we just parted ways. he went home to his family and i came home and knocked out on the couch thinking to myself damn i forgot to ask freddy why the cops had grabbed me. day 2 coming soon including the hangover from hell, our first night in classicos, the ice throwing incedent, and meeting my new chicas numero dos and numero tres

new jack

[QUOTE=SavePros321]It's a good thing the DR doesn't want nor need monger money anymore. With the latest economic numbers families will be lining up in droves to fly to and spend their holiday cash in Sosua!

[url]http://m.cnbc.com/id/40489270[/url]

FELIZ NAVIDAD BISHES!! The next round of drinks are on the Mayor![/QUOTE]The wall street guys making a billion dollars each per year last year are laughing all the way to bank. I would tax those guys at 90%.

I got a phone call today in San Diego around 3 PST from the beach girl in Sousa, and I asked if she was working and she repeated over and over, "Mucho la policía, mucho la policía." Anyone with "boots on the ground" that report what happened today???

I heard that there was a new mayor in town. She decided to change everything. She's making Sosua a police state. From what I hear, single women alone at night are harrassed by police and are arrested? I was thinking about a trip in January. I was wondering hows the mongering scene in Sosua now? Is New Garden full of chicas? Is D'latinos hopping with chicks? What about Classicos? Is it dead? Passions still open?

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]I got a phone call today in San Diego around 3 PST from the beach girl in Sousa, and I asked if she was working and she repeated over and over, "Mucho la policía, mucho la policía." Anyone with "boots on the ground" that report what happened today???[/QUOTE] At 11pm, prime time, Merengue bar had 5 chicas, versus 50, Thursday. I witnessed 8 Politur walking in pairs. I saw no arrests. Classico's curtains vanished. It seems the chicas were afraid and stayed home. On the street, all chicas had partners.

[QUOTE=BoricuaOnline]I have another theory: the "I have bigger guevos theory". I read there is a new Policia Nacional chief since August or September. The former chief left his job with a few scary statistics about PN: Policia Nacional was involved in 40% of gunfire kills, lots of stops for bribery to civilians (more than ever). New chief wants to show he has "cojones" by doing shows of force. Just another theory.[/QUOTE]The new chief of the National got the job on August 16, 2010. The former chief Mr. Rafael Guillermo Guzmán Fermín I believe used to golf with the Spaniard who tried to ship 1200 kilos of cocaine from Santo Domingo to Spain.

The current chief of police Mr. Jose Armando Polanco Gomez looks like a hard ass.

Results of the Sosua meeting held earlier this week are in the GoGo forum.

If this reporter is correct, guess whats coming in May?

What a surprise.

Classico's had a nice crowd last night around 1am. There were some nice chicas available. Merengue bar downstairs was dead. They never lowered red curtains. Several rains showers could have made ladies stay away. I left around 1:30am and no Politur or Policia in sight. I will update on Saturday and Sunday night.

Is it just Sosua or is it all of DR? Logic being if its just Sosua, they will just move one or two area over. Its not like they are going to stop. Just regroup and come up with a new game plan.

Just one guy's opinion.

[QUOTE=Sidney]At 11pm, prime time, Merengue bar had 5 chicas, versus 50, Thursday. I witnessed 8 Politur walking in pairs. I saw no arrests. Classico's curtains vanished. It seems the chicas were afraid and stayed home. On the street, all chicas had partners.[/QUOTE]I just talked to my wingmen that are in Sosua and they went to Classicos last night and said there wasn't a single girl in there,holy fucking shit. The only place with girls was Passions.

I am in Sosua right now. Its the same shit. No Difference here. Plus its Christmas coming soon so everybody is on there grind.

I read a few reports of guys thinking about trying other cities because of the current crackdown in Sosua. Santo Domingo was one of the cities mentioned. Sosua guys don't even think about coming to Santo Domingo as a replacement city.

If you think Sosua is dead than Santo Domingo has the coffin nailed shut. This is my second trip to SD since the chica crackdown started in rep dom. If you aren't into casas take SD off the radar screen. I am not into casas but I could always walk the streets of SD and see available chicas throughout the day. Them days are gone, gone, gone.

Whatever the end result of Sosua it has to have one hundred times more action than SD.

How about Puerto Plata? Are there venues there where one can meet chicas selling their wares? (Aside from Blackbeard's)

Man I am confused....some posts saying everything is fine, other posts saying it sucks.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs]I read a few reports of guys thinking about trying other cities because of the current crackdown in Sosua. Santo Domingo was one of the cities mentioned. Sosua guys don't even think about coming to Santo Domingo as a replacement city.

If you think Sosua is dead than Santo Domingo has the coffin nailed shut. This is my second trip to SD since the chica crackdown started in rep dom. If you aren't into casas take SD off the radar screen. I am not into casas but I could always walk the streets of SD and see available chicas throughout the day. Them days are gone, gone, gone.

Whatever the end result of Sosua it has to have one hundred times more action than SD.[/QUOTE]
Wow. I hope the country isn't setting up for a "Socialist Revolution." You know how those always turn out...See the Venezuela thread as an example :-/

As mentioned in other posts. There is no bullshit like that in Las Terrenas, at least for now.
It is not like paradise because most girls are Haitian, hardened or not attractive, or even a combination of all that, but at least they are here and available. I'd say about one hundred overall.
It takes quite a long ride from Sosua / PP but it can done easily even with guagas.

If there is a "crackdown" in Sosua, it's news to me. We did a Man Tour up there just a few days ago and everything was the same as always. Prostitution is still legal here, while pimping is not.

I have noticed changes over the last four years -- when tourism is up, there seem to be more girls there, when tourism is down, there are fewer. When it rains -- fewer ladies.

A couple of years ago it was a common site to see some National Police checking IDs of girls on the streets and arresting those who could not prove they were 18 or over. I"ve never seen a Politur policeman do this. They would take them to the police station overnight and let them go in the morning. I'd say about a year or more ago this stopped happening.

Very recently -- maybe a couple of months ago or so, the police began checking IDs again actively.

Recent changes include a large new bar and a large new restaurant across the street from where all the action used to be.

I will ask around and see what all this is about. I think we may be dealing with just a rumor.

- The Man Tour Guy
[url]www.themantour.net[/url]

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs]I read a few reports of guys thinking about trying other cities because of the current crackdown in Sosua. Santo Domingo was one of the cities mentioned. Sosua guys don't even think about coming to Santo Domingo as a replacement city.

If you think Sosua is dead than Santo Domingo has the coffin nailed shut. This is my second trip to SD since the chica crackdown started in rep dom. If you aren't into casas take SD off the radar screen. I am not into casas but I could always walk the streets of SD and see available chicas throughout the day. Them days are gone, gone, gone.

Whatever the end result of Sosua it has to have one hundred times more action than SD.[/QUOTE]Come on my brother, plenty of chicas in Santo Domingo and always will be. Take a ride down the malecon and you will see SWs.

DR is the land of fucking, you can go anywhere in DR and have fun.

Thedrman, are your from Mars?

You have first hand reports and pictures. All is explained in detail in multiple posts including chat with the operation chiefs. You think people is happy about having spent thousands of dollars to travel, wasting time that cannot be returned ever?

Smartasses know-it-all like you are so ridiculous. Or just go there and make the good old days come back with your magic wand.

Ah and before you respond with more bullshit *think and read*, as I'm totally ready to put you on ignore, likely as other people that is pissed for real may do.

I am here in Sosua. Classicos was packed last night anyone who said there was one girl in there must have been there early when it was raining or we must not be in the same Sosua because I know what I'm seeing is not a mirage. When I got there around 1:30 it was 4 to 1 chicas to guys easily and its so crowded you could not walk around the club or dance freely. Me and my boys were saying we could not believe how many girls would go home alone last night because there was too many of them. The daytime action is very slow it seems starting yesterday because of the new laws but I've seen no chicas being harassed since I've been here for 4 days. At night the town comes alive and the girls walk freely up and down the strip and the police are just hanging out on the corners bothering noone. Late night when I hit the streets it was packed on the street outside and shoulder to shoulder people in Classico. The casino disco was crowded until about 6 am. I was talking to a Sosua native today and he was explaining to me that they want Sosua to be catered to family's walking the street in the day without the girls presence and it has hurt business because there are not many families there yet to replace the monger money in the day but they wish for it to get to that at some point and you have to start somewhere. He stated the police are not against the girls and allow them to come out and work but only in the night. If you come to classicos at 11 maybe it is dead but I don't go there that early because Flow is crowded around that time or I'm still in my room resting for another long night. Stick around a few more hours and it will be packed the same as it has every night I've been here. If your hunting in the daytime don't bother but I'm a night person anyways so it does not affect me that no chicas are out during the day. Hope this helps answer some of your questions.

Happy Hunting

New Jack

[blue][i]"Farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spain. For weve received orders for to sail...[/i][/blue]

To all the business minded folks who's got mucho dinero or know others with access to it, why not set up a place on the outskirts of Sosua? Someplace between Sosua and Playa Dorada? If Field of Dreams were still in business their place would probably be flooded with chicas right now. If there were at least a Field of Dreams and another CMP they might get a lot of chicas hanging around (from the Exodus of Sosua).

Or hell, just put a few "Classico's" out there that turn into "Merengue Bar(s)" during the day, and keep Sosua as main base for lodging. As long as the hotels in Sosua remain "chica friendly" then you still have a place to crash at night.

We'd be going in the complete opposite direction of the Cabarete and "New Sosua" crowd upon leaving the airport. Everyone would be happy!

But I profess I have know idea how stuff even works as far as setting up something like that in DR. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there for anyone that can capitalize on it...

Free of charge :-P

BQ
i was just there last week and as in my previous trips over the past two montths it was dead on Independencia. Except, my last night, I stumbled upon a couple chicas on the stroll after about 2 a.m. The one I took back for 1000P was one I'd had before and she had just gotten out of work at Lapsus. Other then her and her friend, the few times I saw a solitary chica hazarding the streets they were fugly.

[QUOTE=Koki9290]BQ

I was just there last week and as in my previous trips over the past two montths it was dead on Independencia. Except, my last night, I stumbled upon a couple chicas on the stroll after about 2 am The one I took back for 1000P was one I'd had before and she had just gotten out of work at Lapsus. Other then her and her friend, the few times I saw a solitary chica hazarding the streets they were fugly.[/QUOTE]Damn Koki you the man.

Hello, gents. I'm not going to sugar coat thing for you. Sosua will always have pussy. If you've done your ground work and made connections it will always have something for you.

On the other hand if you've just used it for a stick and move, its pay back on your asses. My girls there that have game have used their connections to get what looks like legitimate jobs and trick on the side. Most have guys that stay in touch and know their visiting schedules. To each his own, but if you visit soon establish a relationship. No! This does not require sending money. Dominicanas are clever and will try you if your soft, but once you stand up to their asses they will back off and be patient. My point is if you like the culture and want to visit frequently, elevate your game and lock in(get numbers and email and just say Hello, every couple months). I'm hearing that the bar owners are running the pussy now. But thats just a front to keep the girls from being harrased by the police. I'm visiting New Years and will probaly lock in to my amigas during the day and freelance at night while they are working in their establishments. This May event that they are having is supposed to be a trail run. If it fails they know where they stand and vise versa. Look for a major slow down after New Years until atleast May. After May watch what happenes. If they loosen up its back to normal business, if they keep the standard that has been established watch out.

God, who's going to go to Sosua now? The majority of tourists are mongers, not family guys going to Casa Marina.
They eliminated the chicken stands on the corner?

[QUOTE=DR Monger II]God, who's going to go to Sosua now? The majority of tourists are mongers, not family guys going to Casa Marina.
They eliminated the chicken stands on the corner?[/QUOTE]

They were gone when I was there last week. They are re-locating them into a storefront toward Super Super. There was one still operating next to the bar on th corner across the street but he said they all had to move.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Thedrman, are your from Mars?

You have first hand reports and pictures. All is explained in detail in multiple posts including chat with the operation chiefs. You think people is happy about having spent thousands of dollars to travel, wasting time that cannot be returned ever?

Smartasses know-it-all like you are so ridiculous. Or just go there and make the good old days come back with your magic wand.

Ah and before you respond with more bullshit *think and read*, as I'm totally ready to put you on ignore, likely as other people that is pissed for real may do.[/QUOTE]
A bizarre post from the normally sensible Thedrman, I agree. Like you, I wonder where he has been for the past weeks. There are certainly significant changes, but as to whether they will be for the better or worse, the jury is still out. Vamos a ver.

However your response is equally ridiculous. There is no reason why a monger cannot have as enjoyable a time in Sosúa as ever, unless his preference is for fat, ugly old street-rats because it appears they are in shorter supply. Talk of wasting time or thousands of dollars is hysterical.

Maybe the new changes, as well as eliminating the sub-par putas will also eliminate the sub-par mongers who patronised them and whose presence always deterred me from spending much time in Sosúa. If so, that's all to the good.

[QUOTE=Koki9290]BQ
i was just there last week and as in my previous trips over the past two montths it was dead on Independencia. Except, my last night, I stumbled upon a couple chicas on the stroll after about 2 a.m. The one I took back for 1000P was one I'd had before and she had just gotten out of work at Lapsus. Other then her and her friend, the few times I saw a solitary chica hazarding the streets they were fugly.[/QUOTE]

I wish i could be awake at this time of the night to come across such a beauty. I'm a morning, afternoon, early night monger.

Not a bad idea.

[QUOTE=SavePros321]To all the business minded folks who's got mucho dinero or know others with access to it, why not set up a place on the outskirts of Sosua? Someplace between Sosua and Playa Dorada? If Field of Dreams were still in business their place would probably be flooded with chicas right now. If there were at least a Field of Dreams and another CMP they might get a lot of chicas hanging around (from the Exodus of Sosua).

Or hell, just put a few "Classico's" out there that turn into "Merengue Bar(s)" during the day, and keep Sosua as main base for lodging. As long as the hotels in Sosua remain "chica friendly" then you still have a place to crash at night.

We'd be going in the complete opposite direction of the Cabarete and "New Sosua" crowd upon leaving the airport. Everyone would be happy!

But I profess I have know idea how stuff even works as far as setting up something like that in DR. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there for anyone that can capitalize on it...

Free of charge :-P[/QUOTE]

When I was there two months ago I made the same observation. Beautiful beaches chicas ahhh not so much.

BBL

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]As mentioned in other posts. There is no bullshit like that in Las Terrenas, at least for now.

It is not like paradise because most girls are Haitian, hardened or not attractive, or even a combination of all that, but at least they are here and available. I'd say about one hundred overall.

It takes quite a long ride from Sosua / PP but it can done easily even with guagas.[/QUOTE]

Saturday night In Classico's was packed around 1am. Merengue bar was slow. They are not allowing the chica's to parade around in Merengue bar they have to go upstairs are leave.

I will report on Sunday night.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter]
However your response is equally ridiculous. There is no reason why a monger cannot have as enjoyable a time in Sosúa as ever, unless his preference is for fat, ugly old street-rats because it appears they are in shorter supply. Talk of wasting time or thousands of dollars is hysterical.[/QUOTE]Looks like you're another last second writer but non-reader, because in all my previous posts I have been saying the same thing, I did not appreciated Sosua and have no intention to return there. My post was simply made as a reaction to very un-informed comments. However the Sosua guys have all the right to do and spend theyr money as they please, are the only ones entitled to talk about the situation, so from now on I'm off this thread.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Looks like you're another last second writer but non-reader, because in all my previous posts I have been saying the same thing, I did not appreciated Sosua and have no intention to return there. My post was simply made as a reaction to very un-informed comments. However the Sosua guys have all the right to do and spend their money as they please, are the only ones entitled to talk about the situation, so from now on I'm off this thread.[/QUOTE]
Your mention of "the Sosúa guys" reminded me of this post today from a real DR vet monger (he has since moved on to other venues) on another board. He's swinging a bit wildly but I thought it was kinda funny in a non-PC way.

[QUOTE]Man, these clowns can't see around the block. If Sosúa didn't exist, I haven't a clue what these guys would do. I can picture them right now, shook about the going ons in Sosúa. These guys are scared shitless.[/QUOTE]

The point being anyone who cannot still have a good (and reasonably priced) time in the DR (and even in the Sosúa area) doesn't deserve to have one. The chicas haven't gone away. They are still there and may even be more appreciative of our pesos.

Like you I have never been a great fan of Sosúa and rarely go there although I live only a US$1.15 ride away. Maybe the changes will encourage me to go there more often. Let's see how it pans out.

[QUOTE=New Jack City][Blue][Red]I am here in Sosua. Classicos was packed last night anyone who said there was one girl in there must have been there early when it was raining or we must not be in the same Sosua because I know what I'm seeing is not a mirage. When I got there around 1:30 it was 4 to 1 chicas to guys easily and its so crowded you could not walk around the club or dance freely. Me and my boys were saying we could not believe how many girls would go home alone last night because there was too many of them.[/Red] The daytime action is very slow it seems starting yesterday because of the new laws but I've seen no chicas being harassed since I've been here for 4 days. At night the town comes alive and the girls walk freely up and down the strip and the police are just hanging out on the corners bothering noone. Late night when I hit the streets it was packed on the street outside and shoulder to shoulder people in Classico. The casino disco was crowded until about 6 am. I was talking to a Sosua native today and he was explaining to me that they want Sosua to be catered to family's walking the street in the day without the girls presence and it has hurt business because there are not many families there yet to replace the monger money in the day but they wish for it to get to that at some point and you have to start somewhere. He stated the police are not against the girls and allow them to come out and work but only in the night. If you come to classicos at 11 maybe it is dead but I don't go there that early because Flow is crowded around that time or I'm still in my room resting for another long night. Stick around a few more hours and it will be packed the same as it has every night I've been here. If your hunting in the daytime don't bother but I'm a night person anyways so it does not affect me that no chicas are out during the day. Hope this helps answer some of your questions.

Happy Hunting

New Jack[/QUOTE][/blue]

Worth repeating! I think this guy's report kinda slipped under the radar...good job New Jack! Definitely appreciate you taking the time out of your trip to give us a first-hand update. Glad to hear you are enjoying yourself as well!

[QUOTE=Coolie High]I touch on this subject with Artisttyp briefly when I was in Tijuana but what are your thoughts on the difference between Tijuana chicas and sosua chicas. And which one would you prefer and fill more comftable with. Myself I prefer sosua because of the GFE you can instantly have with a honey where as in Tijuana it's more of a "wham bam thank you mam" atmosphere.
[/QUOTE]
Hey Coolie High,

My first thoughts about TJ, was just that; "wham bam thank you mam" atmosphere. But the more time that I spend there, the more connections and relations I develop; but I there usually every weekend.

As far as a GFE, nothing compares to the ladies in Thailand or the Philippines, but I did establish a good GFE relationship in Sousa; which I plan to return for in January.

So as far as to answer your question, I think that Sousa has a good edge on the GFE experience when compared to TJ.

Just my opinion.

............Among other things, they want to close the Pedro Clisante from 6 PM for traffic. The 'El Conde' street in the capital city, should be taken as an example.............

The entire article can be found here:

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php[/url]
4 December 2010

On Tuesday afternoon, 30 November, a follow-up meeting was held, which took place in the Protestant 'Nueva Vida' church. There were about 30 entrepreneurs from the Pedro Clisante street and surrounding area present. The preparatory group consisting of five persons, had prepared an action plan that was presented at the other entrepreneurs for approval. In addition to a number of organizational issues to organize nightlife in the main street better (Motochoncho noise, noise pollution), other ideas came to light for boosting tourism in Sosúa.

The follow-up meetingAmong other things, they want to close the Pedro Clisante from 6 PM for traffic. The 'El Conde' street in the capital city, should be taken as an example. In addition, more activities should be organized in the street, so that Pedro Clisante would be more attractive for everybody. Entrepreneurs therefore intend to work more together and invite music, folklore and dance groups. Furthermore, every three months, a flyer will be handed out in several languages in which the activities will be advertised. The Jazz Festival recently held in Cabarete and the Boxing gala in Sosúa Bay casino were cited as positive examples. But also the celebration of Halloween recently held in Sosúa, should be a positive role model for other celebrations. In the coming days the five representatives of the entrepreneurs will try to set up a meeting with the highest authorities of tourism, Politur, the National Police, the AMET and the community representatives. Next Tuesday, 7 December the results of these actions will be discussed in another meeting in the premises of Nueva Vida church. It starts at exactly 5 PM!

One thing I've learned about the DR is that it doesn't matter what the laws are, it's what the local officials actually do about them that matters. Local officials have the power to enforce or not enforce and the power to make up their own rules.

What's going to determine whether or not chicas are available in Sosua is whether or not the local officials via the police, kick them out. I would stay tuned to the forums to see what actually happens.

It sounds like the action at night continues to be about the same as ever. The action in the daytime has never been great anyway. I guess most of the chicas are sleeping.

However, if you pay big bucks for a trip to Sosua and are disappointed, there is always Puerto Plata. There are plenty of transportation options and lots of places to hunt chicas -- even in the daytime.

The Man Tour Guy
themantour.net

Re: Plan B--Sosua
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney View Post
If the crackdown and persecution continues, I have a Plan B. Essentially, i have a list of terrific chicas who will serve all my needs. And probably, it will be cheaper for me.
Plan B has been a huge success! Day after day = 26 hours of WOW! 11pm, bedded down, tln, with my 2 favorite bi-sexual chicas, repeat performance at 10am, my Haitian hottie arrives at 130pm, and at 6pm, my and Helpmann's ex arrives. Shhh my buddy, she has ''re-blossemed to a finer flower! And at 11pm, the cycle starts again! Life is good to ol' Sid!

Your D R government is ''working'' for you !

[QUOTE=Tomjackin]Hey Coolie High,

My first thoughts about TJ, was just that; "wham bam thank you mam" atmosphere. But the more time that I spend there, the more connections and relations I develop; but I there usually every weekend.

As far as a GFE, nothing compares to the ladies in Thailand or the Philippines, but I did establish a good GFE relationship in Sousa; which I plan to return for in January.

So as far as to answer your question, I think that Sousa has a good edge on the GFE experience when compared to TJ.

Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

If I may ad my 2 cents here and by means I am no expert on mongering in Thailand. I had more of a GF experience in my 1 and only trip to Thailand than I have had in 13 DR trips. It's not that I didn't have my fun in the DR ( I most certianly did) but you can not compare the girls in Thailand to the girls in DR. And this was with more than 1 or 2 Thai girls. The attitude and the way they go about their business is different.

I just got back from Sosua and had a fantastic time. Daytime chicas I am not interested in at all. I pulled a girl out of passions at night, no kids and a wash board stomach. I was more then happy with my girl. Daytime is very slow for women but I go to beach during the day and then grab a chica at night. But yea the runts that use to walk around during the day are gone, thank god.


[QUOTE=Sidney]Re: Plan B--Sosua
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney View Post
If the crackdown and persecution continues, I have a Plan B. Essentially, i have a list of terrific chicas who will serve all my needs. And probably, it will be cheaper for me.
Plan B has been a huge success! Day after day = 26 hours of WOW! 11pm, bedded down, tln, with my 2 favorite bi-sexual chicas, repeat performance at 10am, my Haitian hottie arrives at 130pm, and at 6pm, my and Helpmann's ex arrives. Shhh my buddy, she has ''re-blossemed to a finer flower! And at 11pm, the cycle starts again! Life is good to ol' Sid![/QUOTE]

Hello everyone.

Just have a question about this hotel " sosua by the sea. Is any one had any experience with this place. Is this chica friendly? I got confuse with sosua bay resort to sosua by the sea. Comment and tips will be helpful. I am staying there for 5 night next week.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Love Bite; 1100933]Hello, everyone.

Just have a question about this hotel " sosua by the sea. Is any one had any experience with this place. Is this chica friendly? I got confuse with sosua bay resort to sosua by the sea. Comment and tips will be helpful. I am staying there for 5 night next week.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I have not stayed there but I have walked through the Sosua by the Sea Hotel. It is a cute small hotel, near the other entrance for the Casa Marina Hotel (not the entrance near the baseball field, the entrance down the hill for the casa marina beach).

When I was last in the vicinity of the Sosua by the Sea Hotel, years ago, there was a nice condominium building next door, there was an abandoned bar on the corner, that bar was constructed to look like a Taino cave. Across the street from the Sosua by the Sea Hotel there were several hair salon places. I received a non-sexual massage a few times in the salon that is most to the left when you are facing the buildings.

From what I read Sosua by the Sea has an all inclusive type package wherein food is included. The other rate they have does not include all meals. Sosua by the Sea is on the water, there is a beach near the hotel.

I don't know whether it is chica friendly, maybe if you are discreet and the chicas you bring in don't look too hardcore, the hotel may allow you to enter with them. If your Spanish is good you could try to ask whether you can have friends visit. A small tip is often times appreciated and sometimes helps to get rules bent. But prepare yourself because it may be a total non-chica friendly hotel with no exceptions, I don't know.

Hotel Calypso is nearby with short term room rentals. I believe there is a Cabana nearby in Sosua now.

[QUOTE=Love Bite; 1100933]Hello, everyone.

Just have a question about this hotel " sosua by the sea. Is any one had any experience with this place. Is this chica friendly? I got confuse with sosua bay resort to sosua by the sea. Comment and tips will be helpful. I am staying there for 5 night next week.

Thanks[/QUOTE]No it's not chica friendly.

[QUOTE=Love Bite; 1100933]Hello, everyone.

Just have a question about this hotel " sosua by the sea. Is any one had any experience with this place. Is this chica friendly? I got confuse with sosua bay resort to sosua by the sea. Comment and tips will be helpful. I am staying there for 5 night next week.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I booked earlier this year through Skoosh. Com (and reviewed both Skoosh's website and the hotel's own website) and did not see any policy regarding not allowing girls. When I showed up to check-in with a girl a friend had brought to the airport, the hotel manager would not let me bring the girl in (and conveniently only told me this after I had formally checked in). When I argued with him, he said that the policy was listed on the website, but again I never did see anything to that on either the booking website or the hotel's own website. So, I was obligated to pay for one night even though I didn; t stay there and then booked at the Terra Linda Resort / Hotel.

So, Sosua by the Sea is NOT chica friendly!

A chica friend, walking with her chica friend on PC, near Super, Super Liquors at 9pm were arrested and spent the night in jail. So the bully Politur is exceeding their mandate as I expected! Police will always abuse their authority!

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[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1100049]However your response is equally ridiculous. There is no reason why a monger cannot have as enjoyable a time in Sosúa as ever, unless his preference is for fat, ugly old street-rats because it appears they are in shorter supply. Talk of wasting time or thousands of dollars is hysterical. [/QUOTE]I don't think the clearing of prostitution dictated the "fat, ugly, old street-rats" in its decree. I have seen my share of 9's and 10's manhandled off to jail.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1100049]Maybe the new changes, as well as eliminating the sub-par putas will also eliminate the sub-par mongers who patronised them and whose presence always deterred me from spending much time in Sosúa. If so, that's all to the good.[/QUOTE]"sub-par" mongers. Ahhh Charles. And you. Superior. A God among men?

"sub-par" putas. I'd like to see a breakdown of how you determine "par" and "sub-par", sort of ranking system.

Charles, if you're too good for Sosua, that's fine, you didn't need the "crackdown" to deter you. Great, but Sosua has been a helluva lot of fun for me. I am a Sosua addict coming down off of the high, however, I will personally challenge you to a mongering showdown. Nothing sub-par about me, and I can introduce you to 20 or so of my good friends that will make you look like a child trying to put a circle through a square.

Its unfortunate that guys like you with self acclaimed superior intellect and looks cannot find the intelligence to realize that there are some men that places like Sosua serve their needs. Some men otherwise would never get laid, but why berate them for it. I for one, thoroughly enjoy seeing some of these men land there, and watch them for a couple days get treated unlike they have ever been treated before. I'd never call them "sub-par", maybe they just don't have the privilege of experience with the ladies some of us do.

Try and stoop down from your clouds every once in a while, you might find a few more friends and people with more in common that you think. I've learned from both veterans and newbies. But it appears I should have just contacted you because apparently you know it all.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1100049]Maybe the new changes, as well as eliminating the sub-par putas will also eliminate the sub-par mongers who patronised them and whose presence always deterred me from spending much time in Sosúa. If so, that's all to the good.[/QUOTE]Improvemnts in store for Sosua? Good point.

Causes one to ponder a return visit.

Thanks Sir Charles!

This maybe old news by now but some newbie may find the info useful. My third trip was not the smoothest but Sosua is becoming addictive. Came down with a cold on the third day which threw my game off. Also I fell of a moto on the last day which resulted in a very scaled back final evening. The moto accident was my fault. As I was getting off my dive bag got caught and me, the moto and driver went crashing to the ground.

Some pre 12/3 general observations:

Latinos was the only bar which put up an actual enclosure. They enclosed their rail, put frosted windows on top of it and added glass doors at both ends. Clasico's hung a curtain from the ceiling to their rail but it came down after a couple days. SeaCrets also enclosed their exposed front & side with curtains. Bar Central had a new wider rail in front which was used as a bar / table. El Flow removed the plastic tables from the sidewalk but kept the high bar stool tables. The German bar and the restaurants still had sidewalk tables. The street parade was light at night but the bars were loaded with chicas. Instead of lining up on the street, the chicas were lined up 2-3 deep in the back of the bars. Clasico's was packed by midnight. Since guys could not see in, Latinos was empty. There was a minor police presence but I saw no confrontations or arrests. The differences I did notice were the Haitian street kids & vendors were gone and there were a lot more regular tourist walking around especially during the day.

Day time action was limited to a few chicas at El Flow and Hermano's Cigar Bar (corner of PC and Rosen). Instead of hanging on the streets during the day the chicas worked the phones. Every chica I spoke with wanted to exchange numbers and I got tons of calls during the day. The best way I found to communicate was via text messaging. A simple English message got a quick English response even from the chicas who spoke no English.

Did not get to the beach or the New Garden.

Hotels:

Stayed in a large queen bedroom (C5) at the Hotel D'Piero for $40 per night including breakfast and airport transfers. As promised Piero meet me at the airport. The hotel exceeded all my expectations and requirements. The grounds, pool, Jacuzzi, bar & restaurant were lovely. No glasses, towels, or cigarette butts lying around and the pool sparkled. My third floor room was clean and well maintained. It had a nice bath, electronic safe, AC, TV, refrig & a balcony overlooking the pool. The rooms and apartments vary and some are nicer than others. So explain your requirements to Piero and look at the available rooms when you arrive. The cheapest rooms don't have balconies and face La Passions parking lot. The hotel has a backup generator.

The staff was very friendly and attentive. They quickly learned my routine. For example I drink a lot of coffee in the morning. The first morning I was served one small cup after another. The rest of week a large craft of coffee was brought to the table. The first night I had to explain to the guard that I need ice for late night cocktails. The rest of the week he greeted me at the gate with two cups of ice. One note requesting extra towels resulted in plenty of clean dry towels. My room was always made up when I returned from breakfast.

The hotels location was perfect. It is in a quite section of town but everything you need is close by. It is an easy 5 (+ or.) minute walk to the strip. I enjoyed the sights along the way and checked out many of the small bars. When I was in a hurry or with a chica I spent the 25/50 pesos for a moto.

There is no office or paper work & I actually had to track Piero down mid week to pay him. On Friday I confirmed my departure time. Saturday at 1pm a cleaning lady help me with my bags & found Piero for me. Another great trip came to an end.

Except for breakfast I did not eat in the restaurant. A large group of Italians monopolized it during lunch and dinner.

These guys were defiantly 'living large'. They had a luxury SUV, ate / drank well and always had fine looking chicas hanging around. Piero even closed the restaurant one night and did a special pig roast for then. But unlike some of the New Garden crews these guys were never a problem. They discreetly enjoyed the pool and the company of their ladies during the day. They were loud when they first rolled in at night but quickly retired to their rooms and peace returned.

But everything was not perfect. The sheets were not changed daily unless requested. Also for some reason the bottom sheets never fit right. They kept coming off the corners. Perhaps regular sheets were used on the queen beds. I could also hear the music from La Passions. Not a big problem but it was distracting when I was trying to nap in the afternoons. The room and bath could also use more counter space. The security guard did not check / take IDs and he would not be very effective in helping with a problem chica.

I checked out a bunch of the hotels one afternoon and you cannot beat the Hotel D'Piero. My second recommendation is the New Garden which is 'party central'. Terre Linda is nice but at $69-$89 it is way over priced and the rooms have keyed safes. Casa Valeria ($50+) is very nice (electron safes, AC, refrig) but only partially chica friendly. Chicas are not allowed to hang out on the patios or pool. Sea Breeze's is a dump. Hotel El Colibri's grounds are beautiful, the rooms have great patios and the pool is huge. But the room I saw desperately needed an upgrade. It had no refrig and a keyed safe. I did not see any girls hanging out. An ocean front room at the Sosua Bay Hotel at $60 a night is tempting. But the mongering crowd is not really welcomed. It is a deteriorating AI which needs our cash until some type of miracle occurs. They also want $3 per day for a safe key.

Wingmen:

Arranged via email to meet Mr. Bruce at the D'Pieros bar Saturday afternoon. Bruce was a cool guy, who knew a lot of the chicas and had a great 'game'. Our partying style was also similar. I had such a good time the first night and was so over poured I could not get it together to go diving on Sunday. Unfortunately Bruce left for home on Monday. Hooked up with a follower diver for another night. Spent the rest of the time solo.

Chicas:

Paid the day time chicas 1500. No real passion or foreplay but I had a smile on my face when we were done. No drama either. Ordered two via cell phone, pulled one out of Hermano's Cigar Bar (corner of PC and Rosen) and one from the Domino Bar. None spoke English. The chica from Hermano's was the youngest (19) and the best. Convinced her to walk back to D'Piero because I wanted to stop for beer and water. She agreed but it cost me a 100 peso phone card, the cost of the motos. We went at it in a reverse mish position (her on top) which was different and fun. My plan with the Domino girl was to have dinner on the balcony while we got to know each other. Never happened. I ate, she watched TV, we fucked, and she left with her dinner. She did score us two nice fried chicken dinners for 100 pesos each. Should have eaten at the bar while I flirted with the ladies. The phone chicas were easy. Sent a txt msg. An hour later room service arrived.

I TNL twice with chicas from La Passions for 2, 500. Don't remember either of their names but they were pretty, drama free, and made sure I had a good time. Neither spoke English. The girl I chose the second night was the best. She was the first to approach me at the bar. We did the normal 'how are you, what's your name, where you from' thing before I blew her off. As I checked out the other talent she continued to flirt with me from a distance by blowing kiss, shaking her ass, etc. At 12:30 they cleared the floor for a lesbian show and this chica came around behind me and started playing 'hid and seek'. At the offer of a beer she became very friendly and playful. The hunt was over. Back at the room we enjoyed sipping drinks and making out on the balcony. She was good in bed and enjoyed my toys.

The new bar in La Passions is cool looking but all the action occurred around the old bar. The lesbian show was real and a lot of fun to watch. No toys involved but bodies, tongues, hands and fingers were everywhere. The crowd really got into it.

Lady:

I ran into Bruce Sunday afternoon on the street. He and his Saturday pick were returning from the beach. This surprised me because he talked about how he was a ST type of guy. We agreed to meet at 9pm. Around 10:30 Bruce heads back to the Europa to pick up his Saturday night pick again. Says he will be back in an hour and we can go dancing in Clasico's. I make a pass through Merengue bar but see nothing of interest. Decided to have a beer and watch the rock videos at Bar Central while I wait. I found a spot at the bar next to a cute chica. We get talking and she tells me her name is Lady. She is reviewed on various boards but the name did not ring a bell at the time. Her English was good, she was funny and basically she was having a good time. She got up off the bar stool a couple times to show me her ass and figure. She also pulled up her shirt so show off her natural boobs. Anyhow I'm enjoying her company by the time Bruce and his girl returned. After partying for an hour at Bar Central Bruce wants to hit Clasico's. This is where things get weird. Lady gets real serious and tells me she would love to accompany me to Clasico's but she cannot dance. I say no problem I have two left feet & cannot dance either. She then starts to tell me her story. Apparently one of her legs were badly mangled in a moto accident and she has trouble walking. You can imagine what was running through my mind. Part of me said cut your losses, walk away. The other part said this girl is cute, fun loving, playful, speaks English, and has a great body. But it was her eyes that did me in. So I decided that if this girl could get her ass up to Clasico's we were good to go. When she got up off the stool I tried to give her a hand and got this look that said 'if you patronize me I'll bite your dick off'. So I backed off. It was not graceful but she managed the stairs without a problem. Bruce scored us front row seats on the upper level. Lady thank me several times for taking her to the disco and enjoyed holding court as her friends came by to say Hello. Back at the hotel we enjoyed drinks on the balcony, fuck, sat on the balcony while I recharge and fuck again. Not sure if the moto story was true or if one leg was shorter than the other. In bed it did not matter. Lady was an accommodating partner & the sex was great. She went home with 2500 pesos in her pocket.

Francia:

Saturday night as Bruce and I strolled Merengue this little Haitian named Francia comes up to me and starts her sales pitch. She had a cute round face with striking eyes and a small well portioned frame. And she spoke English but it was too early. Later as Bruce and I sat at the bar flirting with the chicas Francia came by for a second try. This time she succeeded. Francia was playful but not aggressive. She just let things develop. Finally I told her I wanted a girl friend for the night and was willing to pay 2500 pesos. She responded with a long, wet, deep French kiss.

When the clothes came off I was a bit disappointed. Francia had stretch marks and her boobs were a bit of a disaster but it did not matter once we got into it. The girl loved sex and was very passionate. She had just as good a time as I did. She would fuck in any position but I think doggie was the best. She could sucked my dick in her toto by wiggling her ass. She like the mish position with a pillow under her ass and her legs back by her ears. The harder I fucked her the harder she fucked back. My toys were also popular especially the magic wand which she often garbed and used on both of use while we were going at it.

Francia provided a true GFE and I had her come by on 3 additional nights. She did not ask for anything and treated me like a king. One night she gave me a manicure / pedicure and she cleaned and bandaged my wounds when I fell off the moto.

Francia always showed up dressed in her finest so we went to Casa Valeria for dinner on two nights. I was initially concerned about how dinner would work out but the staff treated us great. We were warmly greeted and shown to my favorite table. The waitress did not know if Francia could read so she discreetly pointed to items on the menu as she described the dishes. Had two pleasant dinners.

Misc:

Watch your money carefully. By mistake I gave the Clasico waiter a 500 peso tip instead of 50. I was able to correct the mistake but it could have easily ended badly.

Added a couple jack rabbit dildos & cock ring to my toy collection. Most chica like the toys and the magic wand is the most popular. Several have asked if they could keep it.

Chicas that enjoy foreplay really get into DATY. It is easy to get them to CUM with your tongue. On the other hand I only found one chica in all three trips that gave a really good BBBJCIM. Most chicas gave lousy oral.

Check out the small bars east of Rosen. They are fun places to sit and enjoy a beer. Most have a chica or two hanging out. If not the bartenders are usually available. They cover for each other when one disappears for a session. Problem is they close early. I liked Domino's the best.

Did not have time or the interest to check out the Caribbean Men's Paradise.

Ate at the Casa Valeria and La Costera. Both provided great meals for 500 pesos. Good meals can also be obtained from the local chicken / pork vendors for 100-200 pesos.

Changed money at the place around the corner from the Happy Bar on Duarte. 37 pesos to the $1.

Dove three days with Scuba Elite. Went to the El DuDu caves one day. They were interesting but not as good as the caves in Mexico.

Expenses:

Room 280.

Food 200.

Chicas 650 (7 TLN + 4 ST)

Diving 210.

Tips 85.

Misc 625 (bar bills, booze, water, soda, phone cards, pharmacy, motos, and who knows what else.)

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Total 2, 050 USD

[QUOTE=John from NJ; 1101243]This maybe old news by now but some newbie may find the info useful. My third trip was not the smoothest but Sosua is becoming addictive. Came down with a cold on the third day which threw my game off. Also I fell of a moto on the last day which resulted in a very scaled back final evening. The moto accident was my fault. As I was getting off my dive bag got caught and me, the moto and driver went crashing to the ground.

Some pre 12/3 general observations:

Latinos was the only bar which put up an actual enclosure. They enclosed their rail, put frosted windows on top of it and added glass doors at both ends. Clasico's hung a curtain from the ceiling to their rail but it came down after a couple days. SeaCrets also enclosed their exposed front & side with curtains. Bar Central had a new wider rail in front which was used as a bar / table. El Flow removed the plastic tables from the sidewalk but kept the high bar stool tables. The German bar and the restaurants still had sidewalk tables. The street parade was light at night but the bars were loaded with chicas. Instead of lining up on the street, the chicas were lined up 2-3 deep in the back of the bars. Clasico's was packed by midnight. Since guys could not see in, Latinos was empty. There was a minor police presence but I saw no confrontations or arrests. The differences I did notice were the Haitian street kids & vendors were gone and there were a lot more regular tourist walking around especially during the day.

Day time action was limited to a few chicas at El Flow and Hermano's Cigar Bar (corner of PC and Rosen). Instead of hanging on the streets during the day the chicas worked the phones. Every chica I spoke with wanted to exchange numbers and I got tons of calls during the day. The best way I found to communicate was via text messaging. A simple English message got a quick English response even from the chicas who spoke no English.

Did not get to the beach or the New Garden.

Hotels:

Stayed in a large queen bedroom (C5) at the Hotel D'Piero for $40 per night including breakfast and airport transfers. As promised Piero meet me at the airport. The hotel exceeded all my expectations and requirements. The grounds, pool, Jacuzzi, bar & restaurant were lovely. No glasses, towels, or cigarette butts lying around and the pool sparkled. My third floor room was clean and well maintained. It had a nice bath, electronic safe, AC, TV, refrig & a balcony overlooking the pool. The rooms and apartments vary and some are nicer than others. So explain your requirements to Piero and look at the available rooms when you arrive. The cheapest rooms don't have balconies and face La Passions parking lot. The hotel has a backup generator.

The staff was very friendly and attentive. They quickly learned my routine. For example I drink a lot of coffee in the morning. The first morning I was served one small cup after another. The rest of week a large craft of coffee was brought to the table. The first night I had to explain to the guard that I need ice for late night cocktails. The rest of the week he greeted me at the gate with two cups of ice. One note requesting extra towels resulted in plenty of clean dry towels. My room was always made up when I returned from breakfast.

The hotels location was perfect. It is in a quite section of town but everything you need is close by. It is an easy 5 (+ or.) minute walk to the strip. I enjoyed the sights along the way and checked out many of the small bars. When I was in a hurry or with a chica I spent the 25/50 pesos for a moto.

There is no office or paper work & I actually had to track Piero down mid week to pay him. On Friday I confirmed my departure time. Saturday at 1pm a cleaning lady help me with my bags & found Piero for me. Another great trip came to an end.

Except for breakfast I did not eat in the restaurant. A large group of Italians monopolized it during lunch and dinner.

These guys were defiantly 'living large'. They had a luxury SUV, ate / drank well and always had fine looking chicas hanging around. Piero even closed the restaurant one night and did a special pig roast for then. But unlike some of the New Garden crews these guys were never a problem. They discreetly enjoyed the pool and the company of their ladies during the day. They were loud when they first rolled in at night but quickly retired to their rooms and peace returned.

But everything was not perfect. The sheets were not changed daily unless requested. Also for some reason the bottom sheets never fit right. They kept coming off the corners. Perhaps regular sheets were used on the queen beds. I could also hear the music from La Passions. Not a big problem but it was distracting when I was trying to nap in the afternoons. The room and bath could also use more counter space. The security guard did not check / take IDs and he would not be very effective in helping with a problem chica.

I checked out a bunch of the hotels one afternoon and you cannot beat the Hotel D'Piero. My second recommendation is the New Garden which is 'party central'. Terre Linda is nice but at $69-$89 it is way over priced and the rooms have keyed safes. Casa Valeria ($50+) is very nice (electron safes, AC, refrig) but only partially chica friendly. Chicas are not allowed to hang out on the patios or pool. Sea Breeze's is a dump. Hotel El Colibri's grounds are beautiful, the rooms have great patios and the pool is huge. But the room I saw desperately needed an upgrade. It had no refrig and a keyed safe. I did not see any girls hanging out. An ocean front room at the Sosua Bay Hotel at $60 a night is tempting. But the mongering crowd is not really welcomed. It is a deteriorating AI which needs our cash until some type of miracle occurs. They also want $3 per day for a safe key.

Wingmen:

Arranged via email to meet Mr. Bruce at the D'Pieros bar Saturday afternoon. Bruce was a cool guy, who knew a lot of the chicas and had a great 'game'. Our partying style was also similar. I had such a good time the first night and was so over poured I could not get it together to go diving on Sunday. Unfortunately Bruce left for home on Monday. Hooked up with a follower diver for another night. Spent the rest of the time solo.

Chicas:

Paid the day time chicas 1500. No real passion or foreplay but I had a smile on my face when we were done. No drama either. Ordered two via cell phone, pulled one out of Hermano's Cigar Bar (corner of PC and Rosen) and one from the Domino Bar. None spoke English. The chica from Hermano's was the youngest (19) and the best. Convinced her to walk back to D'Piero because I wanted to stop for beer and water. She agreed but it cost me a 100 peso phone card, the cost of the motos. We went at it in a reverse mish position (her on top) which was different and fun. My plan with the Domino girl was to have dinner on the balcony while we got to know each other. Never happened. I ate, she watched TV, we fucked, and she left with her dinner. She did score us two nice fried chicken dinners for 100 pesos each. Should have eaten at the bar while I flirted with the ladies. The phone chicas were easy. Sent a txt msg. An hour later room service arrived.

I TNL twice with chicas from La Passions for 2, 500. Don't remember either of their names but they were pretty, drama free, and made sure I had a good time. Neither spoke English. The girl I chose the second night was the best. She was the first to approach me at the bar. We did the normal 'how are you, what's your name, where you from' thing before I blew her off. As I checked out the other talent she continued to flirt with me from a distance by blowing kiss, shaking her ass, etc. At 12:30 they cleared the floor for a lesbian show and this chica came around behind me and started playing 'hid and seek'. At the offer of a beer she became very friendly and playful. The hunt was over. Back at the room we enjoyed sipping drinks and making out on the balcony. She was good in bed and enjoyed my toys.

The new bar in La Passions is cool looking but all the action occurred around the old bar. The lesbian show was real and a lot of fun to watch. No toys involved but bodies, tongues, hands and fingers were everywhere. The crowd really got into it.

Lady:

I ran into Bruce Sunday afternoon on the street. He and his Saturday pick were returning from the beach. This surprised me because he talked about how he was a ST type of guy. We agreed to meet at 9pm. Around 10:30 Bruce heads back to the Europa to pick up his Saturday night pick again. Says he will be back in an hour and we can go dancing in Clasico's. I make a pass through Merengue bar but see nothing of interest. Decided to have a beer and watch the rock videos at Bar Central while I wait. I found a spot at the bar next to a cute chica. We get talking and she tells me her name is Lady. She is reviewed on various boards but the name did not ring a bell at the time. Her English was good, she was funny and basically she was having a good time. She got up off the bar stool a couple times to show me her ass and figure. She also pulled up her shirt so show off her natural boobs. Anyhow I'm enjoying her company by the time Bruce and his girl returned. After partying for an hour at Bar Central Bruce wants to hit Clasico's. This is where things get weird. Lady gets real serious and tells me she would love to accompany me to Clasico's but she cannot dance. I say no problem I have two left feet & cannot dance either. She then starts to tell me her story. Apparently one of her legs were badly mangled in a moto accident and she has trouble walking. You can imagine what was running through my mind. Part of me said cut your losses, walk away. The other part said this girl is cute, fun loving, playful, speaks English, and has a great body. But it was her eyes that did me in. So I decided that if this girl could get her ass up to Clasico's we were good to go. When she got up off the stool I tried to give her a hand and got this look that said 'if you patronize me I'll bite your dick off'. So I backed off. It was not graceful but she managed the stairs without a problem. Bruce scored us front row seats on the upper level. Lady thank me several times for taking her to the disco and enjoyed holding court as her friends came by to say Hello. Back at the hotel we enjoyed drinks on the balcony, fuck, sat on the balcony while I recharge and fuck again. Not sure if the moto story was true or if one leg was shorter than the other. In bed it did not matter. Lady was an accommodating partner & the sex was great. She went home with 2500 pesos in her pocket.

Francia:

Saturday night as Bruce and I strolled Merengue this little Haitian named Francia comes up to me and starts her sales pitch. She had a cute round face with striking eyes and a small well portioned frame. And she spoke English but it was too early. Later as Bruce and I sat at the bar flirting with the chicas Francia came by for a second try. This time she succeeded. Francia was playful but not aggressive. She just let things develop. Finally I told her I wanted a girl friend for the night and was willing to pay 2500 pesos. She responded with a long, wet, deep French kiss.

When the clothes came off I was a bit disappointed. Francia had stretch marks and her boobs were a bit of a disaster but it did not matter once we got into it. The girl loved sex and was very passionate. She had just as good a time as I did. She would fuck in any position but I think doggie was the best. She could sucked my dick in her toto by wiggling her ass. She like the mish position with a pillow under her ass and her legs back by her ears. The harder I fucked her the harder she fucked back. My toys were also popular especially the magic wand which she often garbed and used on both of use while we were going at it.

Francia provided a true GFE and I had her come by on 3 additional nights. She did not ask for anything and treated me like a king. One night she gave me a manicure / pedicure and she cleaned and bandaged my wounds when I fell off the moto.

Francia always showed up dressed in her finest so we went to Casa Valeria for dinner on two nights. I was initially concerned about how dinner would work out but the staff treated us great. We were warmly greeted and shown to my favorite table. The waitress did not know if Francia could read so she discreetly pointed to items on the menu as she described the dishes. Had two pleasant dinners.

Misc:

Watch your money carefully. By mistake I gave the Clasico waiter a 500 peso tip instead of 50. I was able to correct the mistake but it could have easily ended badly.

Added a couple jack rabbit dildos & cock ring to my toy collection. Most chica like the toys and the magic wand is the most popular. Several have asked if they could keep it.

Chicas that enjoy foreplay really get into DATY. It is easy to get them to CUM with your tongue. On the other hand I only found one chica in all three trips that gave a really good BBBJCIM. Most chicas gave lousy oral.

Check out the small bars east of Rosen. They are fun places to sit and enjoy a beer. Most have a chica or two hanging out. If not the bartenders are usually available. They cover for each other when one disappears for a session. Problem is they close early. I liked Domino's the best.

Did not have time or the interest to check out the Caribbean Men's Paradise.

Ate at the Casa Valeria and La Costera. Both provided great meals for 500 pesos. Good meals can also be obtained from the local chicken / pork vendors for 100-200 pesos.

Changed money at the place around the corner from the Happy Bar on Duarte. 37 pesos to the $1.

Dove three days with Scuba Elite. Went to the El DuDu caves one day. They were interesting but not as good as the caves in Mexico.

Expenses:

Room 280.

Food 200.

Chicas 650 (7 TLN + 4 ST)

Diving 210.

Tips 85.

Misc 625 (bar bills, booze, water, soda, phone cards, pharmacy, motos, and who knows what else.)

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Total 2, 050 USD[/QUOTE]Excellent report John, I wish I could remember stuff enough to be able to write a report as thoroughly as yours.

The length of time is uncertain?

[QUOTE=Sidney;1101279]Meregue Bar, about 1pm, has been closed by the authorities. Bar Central is maybe! The length of time is uncertain?[/QUOTE]Does this effect Classico's at night?

Does anyone know if chicas are still hanging out at New Garden during the day and "Happy Hour" at Terra Linda?

Man, I'm diggin the new look and feel of the Board!

[QUOTE=Sidney;1101279]The length of time is uncertain?[/QUOTE]Have any idea why the Merengue Bar was closed?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1101282].......Man, I'm diggin the new look and feel of the Board![/QUOTE]LOL, every so often I have to double check and make sure I am logged onto ISG. The new look is nice.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1101282]Does this effect Classico's at night?

Does anyone know if chicas are still hanging out at New Garden during the day and "Happy Hour" at Terra Linda?

Man, I'm diggin the new look and feel of the Board! [/QUOTE]Yeah I'm digging the new look also, but it will take time to get used to. NG better have girls because I'm there at the end of the month. Also check out the "Gogo annual award winners" in the Gogo forum.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1101291]Yeah I'm digging the new look also, but it will take time to get used to. NG better have girls because I'm there at the end of the month. Also check out the "Gogo annual award winners" in the Gogo forum.[/QUOTE]Let us know what the new Haitiana ratio is like also. Hopefully the Politur hasn't scared them all off.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1101306]Let us know what the new Haitiana ratio is like also. Hopefully the Politur hasn't scared them all off.[/QUOTE]I just returned from Sosua after 2 weeks. Classicos is not affected. However, supply and demand, expect the chicas to try and ask for more pesos. And expect week gringos to not have the balls to demand less. It will soon be a sellers market in Sosua.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1101282]Does this effect Classico's at night?

Does anyone know if chicas are still hanging out at New Garden during the day and "Happy Hour" at Terra Linda?

Man, I'm diggin the new look and feel of the Board! [/QUOTE]Only a few girls at Terra Linda. When I arrived a chica I saw at the pool as I walked to my room with luggage in hand, she knocked on my door and tried to get invited in. Also, a haitian girl that I met on a trip last stalked me at the Terra Linda restaurant twice. Excellent body and face, but I do not like stalkers. If I were to fuck her I am sure she will become a commando stalker.

I like Terra Linda, but if I want aggressive females 24/7 I'd stay at NG.

The length of time is uncertain?

[QUOTE=Sidney;1101325]The length of time is uncertain?[/QUOTE]5pm. Merengue has re-opened after agreeing to make 'close-off' changes. She closed el Flow-current status is unknown. Rumba?

[QUOTE=Sidney;1101327]5pm. Merengue has re-opened after agreeing to make 'close-off' changes. She closed el Flow-current status is unknown. Rumba?[/QUOTE]So you are saying that Merengue Bar is going to have to put the red curtains back up or do something similar to Latino's?

Closed today by the Mayor!

Looks like point and click mongering is done in Sosua. Sosua was the last mongering destination on this side of the world where point and click mongering was every where looks like it has come to an end. The only point and click mongering destinations are in Asia now, and you need to make some time and effort just to even get out there.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1101354]Closed today by the Mayor![/QUOTE]Oh Oh, two things I've been paying attention to are Classicos / Merengue and El flow. Classicos / Merengue is the anchor club and the rest are feeders. Just like malls have one or two big (anchor stores) and alot of other stores, the smaller (feeders) count on the people over flowing from the anchor. Classicos ever goes, Sosua as we know it is history. Is Armondo more loyal to Classicos than his hotel. Don't think so.

El flow developed a cult following. Which birthed Rumba (got to feel sorry for their timing). Making El flow eliminate their patio kills half their business. Will Rumba survive?

Has anyone noticed the fire hazzard these curtains bring? Is public safety even a concern when in these enclosed establishments?

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1101404].........Has anyone noticed the fire hazzard these curtains bring? Is public safety even a concern when in these enclosed establishments?[/QUOTE]I never thought about that but you are correct. Since they are now "enclosed establishments" will a no-smoking policy be next?

John that was a great report. Did they close those little small massage parlors all over the place? For 500, you could get a 1 hour massage. Some of them were next to New Garden.

Who has been to ng lately and how has became after all whats going on.

Thanks

Hi BTK,

I enjoyed your spirited post and I deserved your sarcasm because I was far from clear in my post.

By "sub-par mongers" I really meant "sub-par people" who would probably be an embarrassment to themselves and others whatever activity they were engaged in. These are the ones who really get up the noses of the local residents, hopeless drunks vomiting and pissing in the street, drug-takers, disrespectfully dressed, menacing behaviour in gangs, patronising or stereotypically "Ugly American" behaviour, etc, etc.

I was certainly not referring to their sexual prowess or attractiveness or experience and anyone who has met me would certify I am hardly in a position to do that!

Interesting that you have seen your share of 9s and 10s being manhandled off to jail. I think most people visiting Sosua would agree that it is rare to see any 9s or 10s except within private premises, or later in the evening in Clasico, which should make them immune from "manhandling".

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob; 1101069]I don't think the clearing of prostitution dictated the "fat, ugly, old street-rats" in its decree. I have seen my share of 9's and 10's manhandled off to jail.

"sub-par" mongers. Ahhh Charles. And you. Superior. A God among men?

"sub-par" putas. I'd like to see a breakdown of how you determine "par" and "sub-par", sort of ranking system.

Charles, if you're too good for Sosua, that's fine, you didn't need the "crackdown" to deter you. Great, but Sosua has been a helluva lot of fun for me. I am a Sosua addict coming down off of the high, however, I will personally challenge you to a mongering showdown. Nothing sub-par about me, and I can introduce you to 20 or so of my good friends that will make you look like a child trying to put a circle through a square.

Its unfortunate that guys like you with self acclaimed superior intellect and looks cannot find the intelligence to realize that there are some men that places like Sosua serve their needs. Some men otherwise would never get laid, but why berate them for it. I for one, thoroughly enjoy seeing some of these men land there, and watch them for a couple days get treated unlike they have ever been treated before. I'd never call them "sub-par", maybe they just don't have the privilege of experience with the ladies some of us do.

Try and stoop down from your clouds every once in a while, you might find a few more friends and people with more in common that you think. I've learned from both veterans and newbies. But it appears I should have just contacted you because apparently you know it all. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1101649]Hi BTK,

I enjoyed your spirited post and I deserved your sarcasm because I was far from clear in my post.

By "sub-par mongers" I really meant "sub-par people" who would probably be an embarrassment to themselves and others whatever activity they were engaged in. These are the ones who really get up the noses of the local residents, hopeless drunks vomiting and pissing in the street, drug-takers, disrespectfully dressed, menacing behaviour in gangs, patronising or stereotypically "Ugly American" behaviour, etc, etc.

I was certainly not referring to their sexual prowess or attractiveness or experience and anyone who has met me would certify I am hardly in a position to do that!

Interesting that you have seen your share of 9s and 10s being manhandled off to jail. I think most people visiting Sosua would agree that it is rare to see any 9s or 10s except within private premises, or later in the evening in Clasico, which should make them immune from "manhandling". [/QUOTE]Ugly American behavior? Yeah right Englishmen never get drunk and raise hell?

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1101651]Ugly American behavior? Yeah right Englishmen never get drunk and raise hell?[/QUOTE]They do, but not in Sosua, they behave badly in Europe, especially at Soccer matches.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1101651]Ugly American behavior? Yeah right Englishmen never get drunk and raise hell?[/QUOTE]English drink the most of all nations per statistics. Nearly 84% are drinkers and 41% regular. I just read an article about that. Well since the mood here is so somber, I will lighten up by sharing some pics of a Sosua regular (hangs around NG, TL and Classicos) who I thought was pretty attractive and some from Classicos. I was there during Thanksgiving and yes it was slow during the day but evenings were normal. Looks like it has deteriorated a lot now. Just when I started liking to go there. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1101649]Hi BTK,

I enjoyed your spirited post and I deserved your sarcasm because I was far from clear in my post.

By "sub-par mongers" I really meant "sub-par people" who would probably be an embarrassment to themselves and others whatever activity they were engaged in. These are the ones who really get up the noses of the local residents, hopeless drunks vomiting and pissing in the street, drug-takers, disrespectfully dressed, menacing behaviour in gangs, patronising or stereotypically "Ugly American" behaviour, etc, etc.

I was certainly not referring to their sexual prowess or attractiveness or experience and anyone who has met me would certify I am hardly in a position to do that!

Interesting that you have seen your share of 9s and 10s being manhandled off to jail. I think most people visiting Sosua would agree that it is rare to see any 9s or 10s except within private premises, or later in the evening in Clasico, which should make them immune from "manhandling". [/QUOTE]Ugly American behaviour? I must take exception to that Charles. I have spent plenty of time partying in your homeland and have seen my share of Ugly Brit behavior, it ain't pretty that's for sure.

I was planning on another visit to Sosua late Jan. Is it worth going anymore? I'm reading current posts but can't really tell if its worth the trip anymore. Been about 6 times and NEED another trip. Someone please give me an answer.

Thanks My Brothers

[QUOTE=Mattco; 1101831]I was planning on another visit to Sosua late Jan. Is it worth going anymore? I'm reading current posts but can't really tell if its worth the trip anymore. Been about 6 times and NEED another trip. Someone please give me an answer.

Thanks My Brothers[/QUOTE]Yes, I have the same question. I was planning trip to DR early next year but reading what is here it does not look worth the effort. Where is next best place in Caribbean? Dutch Antilles maybe?

[QUOTE=GreenRoamer;1101992]Yes, I have the same question. I was planning trip to DR early next year but reading what is here it does not look worth the effort. Where is next best place in Caribbean? Dutch Antilles maybe?[/QUOTE]I am going to say that the DR is still probably going to be the best in the Caribbean. Even if Sosua is dead (still awaiting conformation on this) you still have other parts of the island to explore (PP, Santiago, etc.).

If anything you can move your game online. Given the current situation with Sosua I am positive that there are a lot of "ex-pros" now marketing themselves as "non-pros" for the gringo that doesn't know any better, LOL.

Colombia has RomanceLatina. The DR has Dominican Cupid.

Sosúa is (was?) paradise on earth for mongers. Sea, sex and sun. Each time was there I was happy and I was not the happiest. When I read this board, I often say that I'm to "shy" when I'm up there. From our point of view, I think things won't be the same for a while. But I won't blame anyone for that. But I would miss not to be happy again but I don't mind to share the village with regular tourists if I still can find sweet chicas.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1101651]Ugly American behavior? Yeah right Englishmen never get drunk and raise hell?[/QUOTE]Sir Pooter, ever been to Amsterdam and experienced the Ugly British behaviour? Spoiled the visit for me

[QUOTE=Llttf;1102040]Sir Pooter, ever been to Amsterdam and experienced the Ugly British behaviour? Spoiled the visit for me[/QUOTE]I think Mr. Pooter is a pretty good poster and probably was mis-understood. But your above comment was exactly what I was thinking as I followed the posts. It really is an apples to apples comparison. They treat Amsterdam like many Americans treat Sousa or worse. The dutch hate them there.

[QUOTE=Llttf;1102040]Sir Pooter, ever been to Amsterdam and experienced the Ugly British behaviour? Spoiled the visit for me[/QUOTE]When I was is the Navy I have seen the hell that a drunk American sailor can raise. It was usually with the Marines LMAO. The Airforce guys were smart enough to get out of our way. Once we had to share a club with some British Sailors. Everyting was okay till those British sailors got drunk. Then the anti American and racial insults came forward. In the USN getting drunk and fist fighting was expected, but the next day we were working right besides the same marines we were fighting the night before, it was just young guys having fun. But those British sailors had a different type of anger. It was as if we were enemy no 1, not their closest ally.

Also guys talk about the young Americans in Sosua. People say they act like rap stars, throw money in the club, and fuck all the girls. But no one can ever say they saw them in a fight. I've seen Dominicans knife fight, I've seen two Italians beat the crap out of each other, and I've seen girls fight. When do the Americans that everyone has a problem with fight? Five years in Sosua and not one major incident. The bottom line is some people just don't like Americans especially the young variety. The young guys have a different SOP (standard operating proceedure) than older guys that we don't fully understand, but when the older guys were young guys people thought they were different also. But I'm not buying that that different behaviour translates to violence.

Reading with great amusement of guys thinking about changing their vacation plans, because of what's going on in Sousa.

I mean if "anywhere" you go is based on how much cheap sex you can find, I think your doing something wrong.

I'm booked for a month in April 2011, was there for 3 weeks in 2009, and had a great time.

Didn't take anyone out of the Classico's or the other bars, but met one from SD, that came up to see me who I had met online and set up before I got there.

The other two, I met thru a taxi driver while I was visiting his home, the other one worked at that little place they sell lotto tickets, in one of the neighborhoods.

Can't say that I am a monger like the majority, I plan my vacations off season, and prefer a good book on the beach in the daytime, and occasionally a dinner partner a night, usually in my condo with sex not the being the first thing we do once were there.

My spanish is improving so I look forward to this vacation being just as enjoyable as my first one, which was my first visit to Sousa and the DR.

Good beaches, good stores, the condo I rent is nice.

Women will be always available where ever you go.

My most important criteria is already in place before I get to where ever I'm going.

NO WORK FOR 1 MONTH. 1.

My plans are not changing.

Nowrath

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1102115]Reading with great amusement of guys thinking about changing their vacation plans, because of what's going on in Sousa.

I mean if "anywhere" you go is based on how much cheap sex you can find, I think your doing something wrong.

[/QUOTE]I'll be the first to admit that I thought nothing of the DR until I found out about Blackbeard's in PP and Sosua. It's amazing how much significance the country (now) has to me when viewing a world map. It's as almost as if it didn't exist on it at first, LOL. Same can be said for BR, COL, CR, etc. I guess what I am trying to say is that when I first started my research a few years ago, the first thing I typed into the search engine was NOT to find out how beautiful the beaches are.

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1102115]Can't say that I am a monger like the majority, I plan my vacations off season, and prefer a good book on the beach in the daytime, and occasionally a dinner partner a night, usually in my condo with sex not the being the first thing we do once were there.

[/QUOTE]That sound like a good summary of what anyone can expect their vacation to be like in "New Sosua," LOL.

But seriously, either the people going there now (post Dec. 3rd) are having way too much fun and are keeping it a secret from the boards (us) , or people are there and having a crappy time and don't want to tell us how much their trip sucked (embarrassed) ; or it could be that no one is there and therefore no one can say what is actually going on.

If you notice, the "rock'and rolll'in good tyme" reports kinda trailed off after Dec. 3rd. Now it's anyone's guess as to what is going on there.

[QUOTE=Mattco;1101831]I was planning on another visit to Sosua late Jan. Is it worth going anymore? I'm reading current posts but can't really tell if its worth the trip anymore. Been about 6 times and NEED another trip. Someone please give me an answer.[/QUOTE]Yes, visit. You can still find what you seek.

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1102115]Reading with great amusement of guys thinking about changing their vacation plans, because of what's going on in Sousa.

Can't say that I am a monger like the majority, I plan my vacations off season, and prefer a good book on the beach in the daytime, and occasionally a dinner partner a night, usually in my condo with sex not the being the first thing we do once were there.

Nowrath[/QUOTE]I have fucked as many times as 11 in one day. I can read at home in the US where sex is a crime. I plan to go to places where I will not be harassed by law enforcement, nor will my chicas. Everyone goes for different reasons, but to see humor in people that don't want to return to Sosua fails to get the point. I would go to 1000 other places first to spend my days of "vacation", it just doesn't stack up against hardly ANY beach resort town ANYWHERE.

If you are going to meet and spend time with women at night. There are literally 1000 other places better as well. You can meet all kinds of chicas in D. R. Discos far and wide that are not so hard core as the Sosua girls. The ones that are left are the one's EMBEDDED in the Chulo / Drug / P4P culture.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1102058]The bottom line is some people just don't like Americans especially the young variety. The young guys have a different SOP (standard operating proceedure) than older guys that we don't fully understand, but when the older guys were young guys people thought they were different also. But I'm not buying that that different behaviour translates to violence.[/QUOTE]The violence you see is a lot of times in another form. For many years, these young girls were bonking 50+ year old ex-pats so their husbands and boyfriends had NOTHING TO FEAR. Recently (past 1 1/2 years) they've seen these nice looking darker skinned well groomed NBA star looking guys roll in with money and big hard dicks pleasuring their women. It's a different ball game for the Dominicanos now, they harbor lot's of jealousy of these similar looking guys that have everything they have to offer AND a VISA and MONEY.

THAT is what a LOT of the violence is about, but among Dominicanos.

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob;1102163]I have fucked as many times as 11 in one day.[/QUOTE]Wow do you think that's enough? I bet you nuts were aching and look like raisins. LOL

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver;1102178]Wow do you think that's enough? I bet you nuts were aching and look like raisins. LOL[/QUOTE]I had a "new regular" that was making sure I couldn't do my "old regular" that kept stalking me. It was one of the best NFL Sunday's I've ever had! F*K, recover watching the games, F*K again, repeat.

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[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob; 1102163]I have fucked as many times as 11 in one day. I can read at home in the US where sex is a crime. I plan to go to places where I will not be harassed by law enforcement, nor will my chicas. Everyone goes for different reasons, but to see humor in people that don't want to return to Sosua fails to get the point. I would go to 1000 other places first to spend my days of "vacation", it just doesn't stack up against hardly ANY beach resort town ANYWHERE.

If you are going to meet and spend time with women at night. There are literally 1000 other places better as well. You can meet all kinds of chicas in D. R. Discos far and wide that are not so hard core as the Sosua girls. The ones that are left are the one's EMBEDDED in the Chulo / Drug / P4P culture. [/QUOTE]Sex is a crime in USA, wow, you must live in a very religous state.

The "point" I saw was guys changing their vacation plans because of well I guess because they couldn't screw 11 times a day.

Is Sousa the best beach town I've been too? Of course not, Thailand, Colombia, Brazil, heck even Mexico beach towns has it beat, but cost of condo, food, and airfare, it comes out ahead, and like I said I don't plan my vacations around how many service girls are in the general area.

Sousa is a decent cheap jumping off point for DR's other cities.

And I also have my company lined up before I get there thru Dominicancupid. Com.

So don't really have to do the late night disco scene, which no longer interest me anyway.

So yes, you are correct there are better beaches then Sousa, but we all seek enjoyment in different ways.

So come April 2011 if the police will allow me to read on the beach in peace. I see no problems

Nowrath

[QUOTE=Professor 1;1102157]Yes, visit. You can still find what you seek.[/QUOTE]Than you Oh Wise Professor! I appreciate it!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1102146]That sound like a good summary of what anyone can expect their vacation to be like in "New Sosua," LOL.

But seriously, either the people going there now (post Dec. 3rd) are having way too much fun and are keeping it a secret from the boards (us) , or people are there and having a crappy time and don't want to tell us how much their trip sucked (embarrassed) ; or it could be that no one is there and therefore no one can say what is actually going on.

If you notice, the "rock'and rolll'in good tyme" reports kinda trailed off after Dec. 3rd. Now it's anyone's guess as to what is going on there. [/QUOTE]Won't make any difference to me because I'm an older guy they called a sucker for taking up with a regular two years ago. Boy, were they wrong.

I'll be there January 6, and welcomed at the airport by a beautiful chica with a couple Presidentes at the airport bar who is so happy to see me and my ATM card, she literally is in heaven. She makes damn sure I want to go back time and time again.

It's not just the sex, although over the last two years, it has got really good. It's the fun we have together.

I'll be observing the mongering scene and will report back here.

(Trouble is, I can't tell you young guys much about Classicos etc, after midnight, because by that time I'm bedded down for the night with my dream girl.)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1102318](Trouble is, I can't tell you young guys much about Classicos etc, after midnight, because by that time I'm bedded down for the night with my dream girl.)[/QUOTE]I got in a similar situation, had a regular, NEVER WANTED TO BE ON PEDRO CLISANTE. Said she wasn't a "PUTA". We would always go eat and do our thing, and return to the room for tv and sex and sleeping together happily. Then, one day I told her I'd like to go out just one time dancing at Classico, her, me, and a couple friends and their dates.

When we walked to Classico, about 100 of her closest friends greeted her. She knew everyone (not like I didn't expect it) , but she was embarrassed and tried to tell me they ALL lived in Puerto Plata. She turned out to be one of the biggest PUTA's in Sosua, working New Garden from 2. 7, going home and returning to Classico at 1AM.

Enjoy your regular for what you have. I hope she's not the same one I had.

First of all, thanks to everyone for the solid advice here. Stayed at New Garden this past weekend for my first Sosua trip and met up with some veterans who told me there used to be a lot more girls available on the street and in the pool area. I don't have a comparison point, but there are still a lot of women at Classicos and other nearby bars, so definitely no shortage of available ladies.

I'm probably going to catch some flak here for overpaying, but I went to Passion and hit it off with a girl (Salima) there who spoke English very well. Got there at 5PM, so decided to take her out at 6PM for 5000 pesos (I know this is relatively high, but it's still cheaper than local 1 hour options in NYC). Went back to the hotel for round one, she's a lot of fun and had a good time. Took her to dinner, then wound up back at Passion since it was too early for the bars on PC. She was chatting with one of her friends who was cute, so asked her if she would be interested in a threesome; she was into this, so I paid 3500 pesos to take her friend out for the night.

Went to some of bars at PC and even went to Classicos for danching and drinks (interesting place, never been to a place where random women grab my cock on the way to the men's room). Generally had a good time, but I can't speak Spanish and her friend didn't speak much English so we didn't make much of a connection. Finally went back to the hotel for the main event, the girls were reasonably into each other and watching two girls give you a blow job is a beautiful sight.

Anyway, the next morning I gave her friend 600 pesos and Salima 1200. So is this an appropriate amount, or too much? Just looking to get a better idea for a return trip.

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob; 1102446]I got in a similar situation, had a regular, NEVER WANTED TO BE ON PEDRO CLISANTE. Said she wasn't a "PUTA". We would always go eat and do our thing, and return to the room for tv and sex and sleeping together happily. Then, one day I told her I'd like to go out just one time dancing at Classico, her, me, and a couple friends and their dates.

When we walked to Classico, about 100 of her closest friends greeted her. She knew everyone (not like I didn't expect it) , but she was embarrassed and tried to tell me they ALL lived in Puerto Plata. She turned out to be one of the biggest PUTA's in Sosua, working New Garden from 2. 7, going home and returning to Classico at 1AM.

Enjoy your regular for what you have. I hope she's not the same one I had. [/QUOTE]This reminds me of the last time I was in Sosua. An expatriate was telling me he met the perfect girl. She did not play the field, he met her parents, and she had a job before she left it out of frustration with the owner. She spent her time studying and she was such a decent chica, he added, that he went to bed with her three times before having sex with her. He just forgot to add that when New Garden had a beauty pageant she happen to be in it (and was one of the regular chicas who hung around the pool and bar!).

Or there is the Blackbeards story of the guy who falls in love with the chica and sends her money so she can leave the business. He returns to Blackbeards, unannounced to the chica, and he finds her still working the place.

And then there is the chica who said that she loved me yet when I called, after I returned to the states, some guy answers (she said it was her brother! How could I think otherwise! [despite the fact that I was calling her in Costa Rica and her entire family, at the time, lived in Nicaragua!)

And there is the time I was at a club and a chica was dancing in front of me, facing away from me and towards my drunken friend. He proudly bragged how she claimed to love him (I guess he didn't notice her arm behind her as her hand was massaging my crotch!).

Then there was the chica who said that she only loved me and asked me to send her money when I returned to the states. I replied in the negative so she boasted about all the other guys who are sending her money (wait a minute, just one minute-I thought I was the only guy she loved!).

Then there was the chica who said she was a nonpro and does not do this regularly. She sucked my noodle, (left no teeth marks) liked my egg foo young, enjoyed drinking soy, and as Confucius would say "my bamboo shoot hath penetrated her three holes of ecstasy."

While some have been fortunate in finding the right chica all I could find were non pros who like to eat Chinese food (not a bad find if you ask me!)

Needhobby, I think everyone here would say that you are overpaying and ruining it for us. I think most of the people here don't tip :P

[QUOTE=Needhobby; 1102544]First of all, thanks to everyone for the solid advice here. Stayed at New Garden this past weekend for my first Sosua trip and met up with some veterans who told me there used to be a lot more girls available on the street and in the pool area. I don't have a comparison point, but there are still a lot of women at Classicos and other nearby bars, so definitely no shortage of available ladies.

I'm probably going to catch some flak here for overpaying, but I went to Passion and hit it off with a girl (Salima) there who spoke English very well. Got there at 5PM, so decided to take her out at 6PM for 5000 pesos (I know this is relatively high, but it's still cheaper than local 1 hour options in NYC). Went back to the hotel for round one, she's a lot of fun and had a good time. Took her to dinner, then wound up back at Passion since it was too early for the bars on PC. She was chatting with one of her friends who was cute, so asked her if she would be interested in a threesome; she was into this, so I paid 3500 pesos to take her friend out for the night.

Went to some of bars at PC and even went to Classicos for danching and drinks (interesting place, never been to a place where random women grab my cock on the way to the men's room). Generally had a good time, but I can't speak Spanish and her friend didn't speak much English so we didn't make much of a connection. Finally went back to the hotel for the main event, the girls were reasonably into each other and watching two girls give you a blow job is a beautiful sight.

Anyway, the next morning I gave her friend 600 pesos and Salima 1200. So is this an appropriate amount, or too much? Just looking to get a better idea for a return trip. [/QUOTE]If you had a good time and it worked out well, it was fine. You could certainly have a similar experience with two cute chicas for a fraction of the price, but perhaps not taking one out of Passions which has fixed prices.

You don't really have to pay any more than 1500 to 2000 pesos (each). The next day is when you pay them. I wouldn't give a chica anything until she leaves, it's asking for problems. When she leaves if you give her a few hundred pesos extra for a motoconcho and breakfast that's a tip. $300 US for 2 for the night may seem like a bargain by US standards but you really don't have to spend that much. And paying too much will tend to make the chicas think of you as foolish and weak (rather than generous).

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1102613]If you had a good time and it worked out well, it was fine. You could certainly have a similar experience with two cute chicas for a fraction of the price, but perhaps not taking one out of Passions which has fixed prices.

You don't really have to pay any more than 1500 to 2000 pesos (each). The next day is when you pay them. I wouldn't give a chica anything until she leaves, it's asking for problems. When she leaves if you give her a few hundred pesos extra for a motoconcho and breakfast that's a tip. $300 US for 2 for the night may seem like a bargain by US standards but you really don't have to spend that much. And paying too much will tend to make the chicas think of you as foolish and weak (rather than generous). [/QUOTE]Yeah, I realize that Passion has higher prices, but I had a good time with Salima and it was nice to be able to talk to her (most of the other girls I met spoke very little English).

Thanks for the pricing guidelines for the other girls, I'll keep this in mind for the next trip.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1102613]$300 US for 2 for the night may seem like a bargain by US standards but you really don't have to spend that much. And paying too much will tend to make the chicas think of you as foolish and weak (rather than generous).[/QUOTE]100% correct. It is simply TOO MUCH regardless of how much fun and what a great time he had. I usually say to each his own, but in my experience the first girl is a "normal rate", and since the "workload" is split between two, they will ALWAYS negotiate for about 1/2 the going rate for the second, and split the total. For example, let's say he wanted to OVERPAY the first one $100 for the night, that would be $50 for the second girl, or $75US each. Now that would have been a little more reasonable.

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob;1102661]100% correct. It is simply TOO MUCH regardless of how much fun and what a great time he had. I usually say to each his own, but in my experience the first girl is a "normal rate", and since the "workload" is split between two, they will ALWAYS negotiate for about 1/2 the going rate for the second, and split the total. For example, let's say he wanted to OVERPAY the first one $100 for the night, that would be $50 for the second girl, or $75US each. Now that would have been a little more reasonable.[/QUOTE]Some people have no negotiations skills, and it's easier for them to just pay. It could be sex or buying a car, the seller will win. These mongers will cause the prices to rise in the new Sosua.

[QUOTE=Needhobby; 1102645]Yeah, I realize that Passion has higher prices, but I had a good time with Salima and it was nice to be able to talk to her (most of the other girls I met spoke very little English).

Thanks for the pricing guidelines for the other girls, I'll keep this in mind for the next trip. [/QUOTE]You don't really need to tip a chica. As a negotiation tactic you can say "Quizas darte un propina" (maybe I will give you a tip). Some guys tip for extras like photos or anal sex. I always tip in a restaurant, if you want to tip a Sosua chica. 100-200 pesos is sufficient. Some chicas will hit you up for motoconcho fare. Some chicas will have a sour puss on their face no matter how much money you give them, don't take it personal, it is part of their game to extract as much money as possible.

You had fun, you can't take the money with you when you are gone. You were Papa Noel before Christmas.

[QUOTE=Needhobby;1102544]......I'm probably going to catch some flak here for overpaying,......[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to write a report. Don't worry if you paid too much. If you had a good time that is what matters. As you travel more you learn the going rate and start to pay less.

Forget the foolish remarks about you are going to drive the prices up. Those type of remarks need not be posted. Some guys forget when they were newbies and also over paid.

Thanks again for your report. Reports are more helpful than any sarcastic post.

Any pics to share?

[QUOTE=Needhobby; 1102544]First of all, thanks to everyone for the solid advice here. Stayed at New Garden this past weekend for my first Sosua trip and met up with some veterans who told me there used to be a lot more girls available on the street and in the pool area. I don't have a comparison point, but there are still a lot of women at Classicos and other nearby bars, so definitely no shortage of available ladies.

I'm probably going to catch some flak here for overpaying, but I went to Passion and hit it off with a girl (Salima) there who spoke English very well. Got there at 5PM, so decided to take her out at 6PM for 5000 pesos (I know this is relatively high, but it's still cheaper than local 1 hour options in NYC). Went back to the hotel for round one, she's a lot of fun and had a good time. Took her to dinner, then wound up back at Passion since it was too early for the bars on PC. She was chatting with one of her friends who was cute, so asked her if she would be interested in a threesome; she was into this, so I paid 3500 pesos to take her friend out for the night.

Went to some of bars at PC and even went to Classicos for danching and drinks (interesting place, never been to a place where random women grab my cock on the way to the men's room). Generally had a good time, but I can't speak Spanish and her friend didn't speak much English so we didn't make much of a connection. Finally went back to the hotel for the main event, the girls were reasonably into each other and watching two girls give you a blow job is a beautiful sight.

Anyway, the next morning I gave her friend 600 pesos and Salima 1200. So is this an appropriate amount, or too much? Just looking to get a better idea for a return trip. [/QUOTE]

Rockys website with photos: [url]http://www.rockysbar.com/home.htm[/url]

Room rate: $25 US / night, Clean modest accommodations, Daily Maid Service, Color television, Cablevision, Security box (safe) .24 hour electricity, Wifi, Room service available

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1102707]Thanks for taking the time to write a report. Don't worry if you paid too much. If you had a good time that is what matters. As you travel more you learn the going rate and start to pay less.

Forget the foolish remarks about you are going to drive the prices up. Those type of remarks need not be posted. Some guys forget when they were newbies and also over paid.

Thanks again for your report. Reports are more helpful than any sarcastic post.

Any pics to share? [/QUOTE]Sorry, got caught up in the moment and didn't think about the camera. New to this scene, thanks for the tips for future visits.

I thought the price from Passion might be a bit high, but I wasn't very impressed with too many of the girls at Classicos or other bars. A lot of them were either a bit too aggressive, didn't speak much English, or were somewhat skanky. Salima came across as a nice girl, I was able to have a conversation with her in English, she didn't push for dinner or drinks, and the sex was great so I was okay with paying a bit of a premium for her company.

What's funny is that some of the guys at New Garden had scheduled girls from Santo Dominico or other areas to visit them at NG via dominicancupid, and these girls looked down at the Classico girls as "putas". Not sure how they were really different, although I didn't mention this out loud.

[QUOTE=Needhobby;1102799]What's funny is that some of the guys at New Garden had scheduled girls from Santo Dominico or other areas to visit them at NG via dominicancupid, and these girls looked down at the Classico girls as "putas". Not sure how they were really different, although I didn't mention this out loud.[/QUOTE]For a newbie you catch on very quickly! Your instincts are correct, LOL. It's all part of the "I'm not like those other girls" routine. But trust me, they would not be coming all the way from Santo Domingo to New Garden (irony) if they were not going to benefit monetarily from the trip.

Thanks for taking the time to update us on the "happenings" in Sosua!

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1102718]Rockys website with photos:

[url]http://www.rockysbar.com/home.htm[/url]

Room rate: $25 US / night, Clean modest accommodations, Daily Maid Service, Color television, Cablevision, Security box (safe).24 hour electricity, Wifi, Room service available[/QUOTE]Is Milka available as an added extra.

Random comments anoche: 1. Four Politur in front of Bar Central arrest 4 chicas and 2 travesties! Merengue Bar lightly attended and no chicas. Classicos at midnight about 1/2 full. 1 doable chica = no shit! 2. Bar Central was 2/3's full, few chicas. 3. Latino's full of fuglies. 4. Rumba and el Flow lightly attended. 5. Bermuda = all Germans.. I AM SAD TO REPORT THAT THE POLICE AND POLITICOS ARE WINNING!

[QUOTE=KentsBest;1102969]Is Milka available as an added extra.[/QUOTE]I would say no, she might be the significant other of a foreign guy at Rockys. She has been working at Rockys for a while.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1102983]Random comments anoche: 1. Four Politur in front of Bar Central arrest 4 chicas and 2 travesties! Merengue Bar lightly attended and no chicas. Classicos at midnight about 1/2 full. 1 doable chica = no shit! 2. Bar Central was 2/3's full, few chicas. 3. Latino's full of fuglies. 4. Rumba and el Flow lightly attended. 5. Bermuda = all Germans.. I AM SAD TO REPORT THAT THE POLICE AND POLITICOS ARE WINNING![/QUOTE]Is it possible that the bars were "lightly attended" because yesterday was Tuesday? Even before the crackdown I would show up on a Tuesday and the place was dead. Things didn't really start to pick up until Thurs. - Sat.

I was in Sosua from Dec 4th thru 7th. Unfortunately was staying at Casa Marina with my wife, but I did get to go to Passions on the night of the 6th around 10PM. Sessioned onsite with Perla, had a great time with her. Pretty nice body. After that went with a small chica, pretty nice looking, think her name was Rhianna? Had a good time and the rooms were nice enough.

Left Passions and went to Classico's. It was packed with chicas. Left with two nice looking ones, paid 2500 pesos for about 1. 5 hrs of fun. Had a great time. Went back to Merengue Bar, Classico's was closing. Caught the eye of another good looking chica as she was walking out. She asked for 1500 pesos, I told her it was getting late, she settled on 1000. Had a great time with her too. Got back to Casa Marina at 5:15 AM. Slipped in the room and went to sleep a happy man.

By the way, I speak fluent spanish, grew up in Venezuela in the 60's.

Flaroamer

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LOL, wow, I haven't seen an e-thug in a minute! Keyboard bully. Nice! I would be pretty pissed to if I hadn't gotten laid my entire vacation, so I don't blame you.

So you are at the Europa...when you could have easily gone to Blackbeard's in PP at worse. Instead of begging me to come and "show you what the fuck is up" you could have invested time instead on Dominican Cupid or Badoo.

But I'm not one to tell anyone how to spend there "holiday." Enjoy your 12hr + flight back to the UK. No one will miss you.

Merry Christmas from these two. Prick.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1103145]LOL, wow, I haven't seen an e-thug in a minute! Keyboard bully. Nice! I would be pretty pissed to if I hadn't gotten laid my entire vacation, so I don't blame you.

So you are at the Europa. When you could have easily gone to Blackbeard's in PP at worse. Instead of begging me to come and "show you what the fuck is up" you could have invested time instead on Dominican Cupid or Badoo.

But I'm not one to tell anyone how to spend there "holiday." Enjoy your 12hr + flight back to the UK. No one will miss you.

Merry Christmas from these two. Prick. [/QUOTE]Me likes them chicas. Hey Uktraveler, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] SavePros321 off some more so he can post some more of these lovely lady pics.

FYI Uktraveler DR1 is probably the most informative message board for general DR information. Although DR1 may not be able to tell you which chica swallows it can guide you around the island with a ton of info. DR1 has several posters who live in the Sosua area on a daily basis for years. Who else can give you first hand info? Surely not a guy who makes one or two trips a year.

[QUOTE=Uktraveler;1103135]............I'm at the Europa..............Fyi, the few Haitian girls that are avail on the strip are far from "hot"...[/QUOTE]Hotel Europa? No wonder you can't find no decent pussy. No one stays at Hotel Europa. Did you do any reading in this forum before going to Sosua?

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1103149]Me likes them chicas. Hey Uktraveler, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] SavePros321 off some more so he can post some more of these lovely lady pics.

FYI Uktraveler DR1 is probably the most informative message board for general DR information. Although DR1 may not be able to tell you which chica swallows it can guide you around the island with a ton of info. DR1 has several posters who live in the Sosua area on a daily basis for years. Who else can give you first hand info? Surely not a guy who makes one or two trips a year. [/QUOTE]I've actually done 3 trips this year. I was going to do a fourth one, but according to UK Traveler:

[QUOTE=Uktraveler;1103118]...Sousa is dead and finished. End of story![/QUOTE]So I decided to save my money until it comes back to life, LOL!

P. S. It is quite possible that he is the only one in ALL of DR right now not getting ANY action. Which is probably why he wants to beat me up (no pun intended).

FELIZ NAVIDAD OTRA VEZ!

Maybe I can put a little perspective on this debate.

On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene. Chicas everywhere, elbow to elbow and all smiling at me, not too aggressive. Music everywhere, bars open to the street, ash trays on every table and in every hotel and restaurant, no apparent police presence, no pimping as far as I could see.

As I said at the time, I was in heaven. I didn't know who to choose first, so many beautiful chicas and so little time (1 week).

I was king so it easy to pick a smart part timer from out of town, for fun and conversation and when she went home, the first couple nights, I nailed a beauty that used to just sit close by waiting for my new novia to go home. It was so easy and my hotel (Casa Valeria) was literally accross the street.

In 8 trips since to meet my novia, including a trip with my buddy, I have seen a steady decline in the number and quality of girls available, and also their attitude. What seemed like a fun way to make money to them has turned more to a kind of desparation. Less fun and more work for sure.

I still go to Sosua every chance I get (Jan 6 next) , but I could NEVER replicate those first few nights in heaven, and I was not able to show my buddy, the same great experience I had, and I know I could never chance on a relationship like the one I was lucky enough to get my first time out.

Now I have local family and friends down there, and we have a ball:

But, I'm not sure Sosua now, would be recommendation, for a first time monger.

Shame!

I see new hotels (Terra Linda, and the place just up and across the street) being built. New updcale condos (Infinity Blu, etc) Even new upscale bars (Rhumba). Major renovations (Casa Marina).

Seems to me that a small town with a great beach and local color (10 minutes from the airport) could turn into a desrable alternative as a vacation spot to big city Puerto Plata, which is so spread out, with it's traffic, and relatively isolated resort compounds.

I can see a cute theme styled little town, like in California or the ski resorts, with pedestrian malls, high end boutiques and shops and yet retaining real Dominican culture, local music food and drink, festivals, carnivals etc.

I see serious investment money to be made, but first:

They have to get rid of guys like me who just want to drink, smoke, and f*k the whole week, and the hordes of Dominican and Haitiuan street putas who serve their needs.

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1103238]Maybe I can put a little perspective on this debate.

On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene. Chicas everywhere, elbow to elbow and all smiling at me, not too aggressive. Music everywhere, bars open to the street, ash trays on every table and in every hotel and restaurant, no apparent police presence, no pimping as far as I could see.

As I said at the time, I was in heaven. I didn't know who to choose first, so many beautiful chicas and so little time (1 week).

I was king so it easy to pick a smart part timer from out of town, for fun and conversation and when she went home, the first couple nights, I nailed a beauty that used to just sit close by waiting for my new novia to go home. It was so easy and my hotel (Casa Valeria) was literally accross the street.

In 8 trips since to meet my novia, including a trip with my buddy, I have seen a steady decline in the number and quality of girls available, and also their attitude. What seemed like a fun way to make money to them has turned more to a kind of desparation. Less fun and more work for sure.

I still go to Sosua every chance I get (Jan 6 next) , but I could NEVER replicate those first few nights in heaven, and I was not able to show my buddy, the same great experience I had, and I know I could never chance on a relationship like the one I was lucky enough to get my first time out.

Now I have local family and friends down there, and we have a ball:

But, I'm not sure Sosua now, would be recommendation, for a first time monger.

Shame! [/QUOTE]I think this reflects most people's experience. Note, if you will, that nearly all the single guys who retire and go to live in the DR soon end getting nailed by a novia, with occasional infidelities on the side when the occasion presents.

They don't continue for long getting a different girl or two for sex every day, because once you have all the sex you want with a beautiful woman, you start to lose a bit of interest in skirt chasing and become more interested in relationships.

A lot of guys, when they first go to the DR, have pretty much given up on relationships, but have realized that they have enough money to have sex with hot young women ad lib. However, when they get to the DR they find that relationships are still a possibility and that they are in fact very much in demand.

Once they are novia-ated it is as if they have UNDER CONTRACT signs posted on their heads, and therefore other potential novias tend to steer clear.

Even on a trip to Sosua, the first day tends to be the most exciting, and then each successive day a bit less thrilling until you reach the point that you are ready to go home.

I don't think the chica population changes much over the weeks, months, or even years. It is more that your perspective and perceptions change over time and experience. I think also that as your Spanish improves and you spend more time in the company of chicas you get a much better idea of what is going on in their little heads, so you idealize them less.

Anway, it is all good clean fun and provides rejuvenation therapy for men that is cheaper than plastic surgery.

That's an interesting observation Frannie. In my travels, it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days"). I've observed this in Brasil, Thailand, Colombia, the DR, Cuba, Argentina, etc. In fact, I'm guilty of saying this myself about Rio. When I started going in 2000, it seemed so much better (it is a fact that it was much cheaper).

Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place.

[QUOTE=Combo;1103315]..........it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days")...........[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Combo;1103315]............Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place.[/QUOTE]So true, that is why Sosua today will be just as exciting to a newbie as it was to a Sosua newbie ten years ago.

[QUOTE=Combo; 1103315]That's an interesting observation Frannie. In my travels, it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days"). I've observed this in Brasil, Thailand, Colombia, the DR, Cuba, Argentina, etc. In fact, I'm guilty of saying this myself about Rio. When I started going in 2000, it seemed so much better (it is a fact that it was much cheaper).

Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place. [/QUOTE]Good post Combo. Most things new are usually exciting, its that thrill of the unknown and its fresh. After repeated visits everything in Sosua usually repeats itself. We tend to get bored and judge mental. After several trips consecutively to the DR my family asked"why don't you try some place new" I thought they were crazy. Well after Medellin now I'm going to Bogata and Carucao because its that new adventure I crave.

Thats why this "Sosua crackdown" has no affect on me. Colombia is wide open to be discovered and the DR is also when you realise there is more than just Sosua. You are correct that the mongerers attitude changes.

As far as guys getting wifed up and wanting a realtionship as Frannie says, its only temporary (Hes married to a Dominicana but fucks his co-workers). There is way to much pussy in the DR for this faithfullness to last. Especially in a culture that accepts the fact that its okay for a guy to sneak to a cabana with a young cutie. The relationship is the front but we never fully give up mongering (its addictive and non commital). Sure some guys crave that ultimate one on one relationship, but after traveling and fucking how do you hang up your drawers and retire with just one? Are you being honest with yourself? Or are you just caught up in the moment? I will never get married because I'm honest with myself. (1) I like new pussy (2) I will never trust a girl that much (3) she leaves with half (4) my kids are my only heirs, not new pussy (5) I like solo travel.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1103326]So true, that is why Sosua today will be just as exciting to a newbie as it was to a Sosua newbie ten years ago.[/QUOTE]Not too sure I agree 100% with that Bq.

Frannie makes some good points about becoming jaded over time, and while that is the human condition, I tried to stay objective.

After my first few trips I had no hesitation in telling my buddies it was a guaranteed good mongering time. Now I can't say that because of the changes in Sosua, not me.

Don't get me wrong, the action is still there, and I enjoy it, but the freeedom for everybody to do what they want, when and where they want is gradually being taken away.

What with trying to put curtains and windows on the open air bars, and getting the bar be que chicken stands off the streets, it will be soon more like Amsterdam.

Browsing the bars from the street (and vice versa) was half the fun.

Oakie my first trip to Sosua was 2005. Before you made your first trip to Sosua as far as I was concerned Sosua was finished and was not like it was "back in the day".

[QUOTE=Oakie;1103238]........On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene........[/QUOTE]You arrive in 2008 as fresh Sosua meat and see the town entirely different, you are a newbie. My first trip to Boca Chica was after the glory days as reported by the vets. Being a BC newbie I still found BC a nice alternative.

I still say once the dust settles Sosua will continue to be an exciting place for newbies. I have long outgrown Sosua and find Santo Domingo to be my cup of tea. But I also know Santo Domingo would not fit the bill for the party, party, party minded traveler.

A new person to Sosua can't miss what they never had.

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1103339]Not too sure I agree 100% with that Bq.

Frannie makes some good points about becoming jaded over time, and while that is the human condition, I tried to stay objective.

After my first few trips I had no hesitation in telling my buddies it was a guaranteed good mongering time. Now I can't say that because of the changes in Sosua, not me.

Don't get me wrong, the action is still there, and I enjoy it, but the freeedom for everybody to do what they want, when and where they want is gradually being taken away.

What with trying to put curtains and windows on the open air bars, and getting the bar be que chicken stands off the streets, it will be soon more like Amsterdam.

Browsing the bars from the street (and vice versa) was half the fun. [/QUOTE]

I agree, Sosua is changing. I have been going there for about 6 years and just go back last week. I still had a great time and there were plenty of chicas to be had. My favorite place right now is Cartagena, its more money but I prefer the late night partying. Start about midnight and roll in at 6am. But I still visit Sosua / PP at least once a year. Always have a blast.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1103343]Oakie my first trip to Sosua was 2005. Before you made your first trip to Sosua as far as I was concerned Sosua was finished and was not like it was "back in the day".

You arrive in 2008 as fresh Sosua meat and see the town entirely different, you are a newbie. My first trip to Boca Chica was after the glory days as reported by the vets. Being a BC newbie I still found BC a nice alternative.

I still say once the dust settles Sosua will continue to be an exciting place for newbies. I have long outgrown Sosua and find Santo Domingo to be my cup of tea. But I also know Santo Domingo would not fit the bill for the party, party, party minded traveler.

A new person to Sosua can't miss what they never had. [/QUOTE]

"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.

The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1103425]"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.

The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."[/QUOTE]Nice honest plain and simple "on the front line report" I knew it would be blown out of proportion. I mean how do you get rid of 10k putas just like that? I don't care where you are, where's there's an abundance of male tourists, there will always be pay for play. Thanks for this.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1103425]"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.

The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."[/QUOTE]So, I think we can agree that Sosua is changing, and it's not just my jaded perception after all.

Damn if I wanted to stay up all night and frequent noisy clubs, I could stay home in my own city. I don't want to work at it on my vacation. I don't see well in the dark anyway, and lord knows what kind of body hides under that disco gear.

I just want to sit in the corner bar in the late afternoon and select my dream girl from the literally hundreds who parade a few feet from me. I can see how they walk, how they dress, what their bodies are like, pick my dream, and be back in the same bar in an hour waiting for my novia. I'll be in bed by 10 and wake up with no hangover and a beautiful chica waking me up with coffee. That's healthy.

I'm just lazy, I guess, but what's a vacation for anyway?

When I get home, I don't need a few days off work to get over my trip. I'm ready to go, and looking at the calendar again.

At least, that's how it used to be.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1103425]"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.

The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."[/QUOTE]But, I am happy to report that Thursday was the best night on PC since the bottom was reached, after Dec. 3!

So the cheap days are over in the North Coast. Well its good and bad, the place needed a clean-up to be frank and that includes the workers and to some degree the clients. As always money wins in every way. The DR's tourist bureau and politico / investors wanted more foreign money and that money is not from $30 hotels and $2 tacos; its from All inclusive 5- 7 day vacations that go for $2-3K for a family of four, so the math works to promote that tourism, it has turned Punta Cana and for that matter Cancun into world class destinations, when 30 years ago they were small fishing towns.

So the choices are my friends to "lurk' in the dark and wait till midnite to get any action or put up some cash and pay places like DRnights, Oxygen Retreat and so-on for ease and stress free vacationing. I don't see any other options unless your willing to explore the small towns of the DR and hunt, but with hunting that would require a lot of time spent and perhaps time wasted.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1103145]LOL, wow, I haven't seen an e-thug in a minute! Keyboard bully. Nice! I would be pretty pissed to if I hadn't gotten laid my entire vacation, so I don't blame you.

So you are at the Europa. When you could have easily gone to Blackbeard's in PP at worse. Instead of begging me to come and "show you what the fuck is up" you could have invested time instead on Dominican Cupid or Badoo.

But I'm not one to tell anyone how to spend there "holiday." Enjoy your 12hr + flight back to the UK. No one will miss you.

Merry Christmas from these two. Prick. [/QUOTE]SavePros, I just looked at your chica selection and pics you posted, pretty impressive man. Now do you speakie / habla at all or you just naturally good at what you do? Would you be willing to share some numbers?

The Voice of the People feels threatened.

Edgar Thomas Pelegrin, producer of the popular television program 'La Voz del Pueblo' (the voice of the people) that can be seen in the Sosúa area each day between 9 and 11 pm on TV channel 3, feels intimidated by the captain of the tourist police. Edgar has criticized in his program 'the voice of the people' the way the tourist police (Politur) acted against the prostitutes. He let some girls tell their story about the aggressive way they were treated by the tourist police. The girls stated in the program that they were arrested without any proof of prostitution and were detained in a police cell. These arrests are against the universal human rights. Edgar told a reporter of the weekly magazine 'El Faro' that he feels intimidated by the captain of the tourist police for being warned that he can be detained also. According to the voice of the people he has, under Article 49 of the Constitution, the right to express his ideas, thoughts and opinions to the public without prior censorship.

Edgar also said that he respects the national police, tourist police and public offices, but that the constitutions and civil rights apply to all citizens of the Republic."

Source: El Faro (from sosuanews. Com)

[QUOTE=Kman1;1103706]SavePros, I just looked at your chica selection and pics you posted, pretty impressive man. Now do you speakie / habla at all or you just naturally good at what you do? Would you be willing to share some numbers?[/QUOTE]Haha, that is the highest honor that can be bestowed on a monger, LOL! .

In October my Spanish was 10x better than in May; in May my Spanish was 5x better than in March. But to be honest most of those girls in my photos spoke passable English, so that helped a lot.

Sadly, if you read my October report you will see that I was on that "one chica" trip (yeah, I was trippin, LOL). My SIM card had expired between May and Oct, so I went to get a new one. When the chica in the store smiled as she threw away the old SIM Card, it did not cross my mind to stop her so that I could pull all of the numbers I spent almost a year and a half collecting. Since I wasnt going to call any of them anyway I didn't think much of it. But once my trip was over and I decided that being with only one chica the entire trip (especially in Sosua) was absolute madness (and for me, out of character) I was pretty pissed that I now only have ONE phone number in my Alcatel and it is not for any of the girls in the photos.

Interestingly, I've been getting a lot of Santiago without physically going to Santiago, LOL. All of the hot ones seem to originate from there (the blanca chica with the roja top and the chica with the black top in the photos are from Santi. As well as the chica on the bed with the blue panties and long black hair down her back a few posts back).

P.S. What I am doing is pale in comparison to what Jaosousa's got going on. Trust me ;)

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1103267]Even on a trip to Sosua, the first day tends to be the most exciting, and then each successive day a bit less thrilling until you reach the point that you are ready to go home.

I don't think the chica population changes much over the weeks, months, or even years. It is more that your perspective and perceptions change over time and experience. I think also that as your Spanish improves and you spend more time in the company of chicas you get a much better idea of what is going on in their little heads, so you idealize them less. [/QUOTE]As usual you hit the nail right on the head. As Sade said,"It's never as good as the first time."

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1103840]As usual you hit the nail right on the head. As Sade said,"It's never as good as the first time."[/QUOTE]Thats why you have to go with a TON of friends to do shit together or you will never last a week, never the less 5 days by yourself. We rent scooters and ride to cabarete and pop on a regular to mix it up. So far no casualties. Have you seen some of the drop off revines and pot holes on the main road? I can easily see death over your shoulder making these rides.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver;1103841]Thats why you have to go with a TON of friends to do shit together or you will never last a week, never the less 5 days by yourself. We rent scooters and ride to cabarete and pop on a regular to mix it up. So far no casualties. Have you seen some of the drop off revines and pot holes on the main road? I can easily see death over your shoulder making these rides.[/QUOTE]What about the endless cliffs driving the back road from Santiago to Sosua (25). I was behind this Dominican dude my first time driving it. This dude was rolling, dodging holes, cows, chickens and kids. My pride always makes me "fall in" versus being smoked. Some of the cliffs had no bottom in site. A few days later when I had time to refect" I said what the fuck was I doing".

My buddy stayed at New Garden last week and he said the guys were hanging at the hotel telling war stories during the day. He said it was like hanging at the boys club. In the past everybody was on a top secret mission to hunt pussy. It was a competition. But last week guys had their laptops and cameras hanging out by the pool, talking about the past. He said when he hit the strip at night it seemed like a frat party, because everybody was cool. In the past everybody had their guard up and game face on. So maybe the one good point we missed with all these theorys is that the mongerers will become friendlier with one another.

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I don't read that other site because there are always posts about robberies and / or murders, too depressing for me. That said, there are some very knowledgeable posters on that other site.

Prostitution is the oldest profession and is illegal here in New York, yet prostitutes are readily available here in New York. The prostitution business will never die in Sosua and from reading recent posts here on the ISG, seems Classicos at night has pros. Also Passions Massage and CMP are open for business in Sosua. Daytime meetings can be arranged through text messaging.

When you say Sosua is dead, I am not sure what you are referring to. Maybe you enjoyed the fat ugly chicas grabbing your crotch as you walked down the street or the pickpockets in Sosua or certain Motoconcho drivers who would yell and scream offering to sell drugs or the obnoxious drivers who would drive the wrong way on a one lane street and then want to fight you because they refused to back up. Maybe that Sosua has died, which to me would be good riddance.

I personally would never set foot in Classicos or Merengue Bar due to my belief that the owner of Classicos and Merengue (a rude guy from Italy) had an American Military Veteran murdered in Sosua.

Bq Ribs is a friend of my mine and I am sure the number of trips he has made to DR is higher than your IQ.

Whatever you say UK. I am not an expat so does that make me a homer? What is a homer? Is that like the guy on the Simpson show?

UK you have nothing of value to offer this forum so why not take your shyte somewhere else?

Sosua is far from dead. I just got back two weeks ago and had a blast. Its still a great time. Especially at night, which is when I like to play.

[QUOTE=You Can;1103974]Sosua is far from dead. I just got back two weeks ago and had a blast. Its still a great time. Especially at night, which is when I like to play.[/QUOTE]It's funny how reports widely vary since the crackdown started (from "totally spoilt" to "as good as ever"). But from this and other boards it seems that guys who know what they are doing are still having a great time there and are certainly not paying any more.

Sosúa has changed (permanently or temporarily remains to be seen). Guys who live here, and visitors who really know the scene and have many contacts, won't find it difficult to adapt as the putas and semi-putas haven't vanished into thin air. They still need to eat. Newbies won't know the difference and can still have a great mongering holiday at competitive prices. It seems to be the guys in between (the ones who come down once or twice a year and have set routines) who feel most inconvenienced.

Gents in the know.

I got these distance between cities off the internet, and I'm just wondering how accurate and approximate actual drive time involves in reaching these cities.

All mileage was given with my starting place being Sosua, would appreciate anyone who could supply me with their "guess" on how long it would take.

I would be using a local driver, not driving myself.

LaVega 50 miles.

Santiago 37 miles

SanFrancisco de Macores, Duarte 48 miles

Bonao Monsenor Nouel 71 miles

Are these estimates even close to the actual miles?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Nowrath

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1104037]Gents in the know.

I got these distance between cities off the internet, and I'm just wondering how accurate and approximate actual drive time involves in reaching these cities.

All mileage was given with my starting place being Sosua, would appreciate anyone who could supply me with their "guess" on how long it would take.

I would be using a local driver, not driving myself.

LaVega 50 miles.

Santiago 37 miles

SanFrancisco de Macores, Duarte 48 miles

Bonao Monsenor Nouel 71 miles

Are these estimates even close to the actual miles?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Nowrath[/QUOTE]This should help:

[url]http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/Dominican_Republic_Distance_Calculator.asp[/url]

You may have your own reason for needing the mileage but generally estimates in drive-time may be more helpful.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1104055]This should help:

[url]http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/Dominican_Republic_Distance_Calculator.asp[/url]

You may have your own reason for needing the mileage but generally estimates in drive-time may be more helpful. [/QUOTE]Yes I used the afore mentioned calculator and was interested in the "actual drive time"

The calculator gives you roughly the "as the crow flies" route, so if anyone has actually driven to any of these cities from Sosua, that info would be appreciated

Nowrath

I'm in Sousa right now as of Dec 20th. It is far from dead, classicos was packed on Thursdays so many chicas. This is my 3rd trip to DR.

What I did notice is that the beggars, hustle man, are all gone. Which is a good thing because I hate having to walk down the street and being bothered. It looks like the police are trying to keep everything indoors.

Money still talks and there's plenty of chicas.

Will give you guys a full report on Tuesday when I get back.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1104014]It's funny how reports widely vary since the crackdown started (from "totally spoilt" to "as good as ever").

. Guys who live here, and visitors who really know the scene and have many contacts, won't find it difficult to adapt as the putas and semi-putas haven't vanished into thin air. They still need to eat. Newbies won't know the difference and can still have a great mongering holiday at competitive prices. It seems to be the guys in between (the ones who come down once or twice a year and have set routines) who feel most inconvenienced. [/QUOTE]I quite agree with you on this.

Speaking to a friend who lives in Sosua, he says he just hopes that more people will turn up (tourist or mongers) or else the high season this year will be worse than low season on any other year! The business casualties will be so severe that it will irreversible for quite some years. Of course new places have popped up but I think there will far more about to go under (you can forget about real-state prices going up, if that's what expats were hoping).

I generally do NOT agree that changes in Sosua (and other monger destinations) are due to our IMAGINATION and the fact that we have changed and it's due to our new attitude and being used to things and tired of it and so on. Well, some might have but you can't refute that mongering is getting just a little harder just about anywhere in the world. It's getting more expensive (way over normal inflation rates) , less choice and freedom, more control and via pimps / chulos and middlemen. More establishment where men and women could freely meet up being closed, or controlled (I wonder when Classico goes the way of Help in Rio). They are serious anti-mongering forces in the world who work tirelessly against it, because they can't stand what we do. And I bet it's not going to get any better. I travel a lot and I read a lot of forums of many countries world-wide from Latin America to Asia to Africa, and this is my general impression).

Sosua may still have chicas and you might (with a bit more hassle) still get some action, but for me the atmosphere is being killed off. And that was the greatest fun and the most important thing for me. Going out, day or night, beach, street, bar, anywhere, and finding and enjoying my time with beautiful chicas. Specially those coming from other areas, they were more fun, less hardcore and even considered it a little working holiday. From what I'm told there are now very few of those due to police actions, we are left with hardcore, Sosua pros). And of course I can go village to village and city to city looking for them, but you can surely see the difference of meeting them all in one place.

I can always pay for hores in the West, in MPs, from Escort agencies. But that is no fun what-so-ever comparing to what it WAS like in Sosua.

Enjoy your time wherever you end up going, do it while you can.

driving times will vary. one factor being the type of car your driver will be using and whether you give him permission to drive like a maniac. some roads are one lane for each direction of traffic. some of those roads have twists and turns. the local guys with bigger more powerful sport utility vehicles have the power and speed to pass slower moving vehicles more easily.

if your driver is using an older slower car and you tell him not to take unnecessary risks, then you might get stuck behind some slow moving vehicle traveling at 35 miles per hour, rather than having a open road in front of you where you go 50 mph or faster.

if you get thundershowers your trip will take longer. if there is a nasty accident on the road in front of you and the road gets closed for a period of time, your trip will take longer.

the road from sosua to puerto plata is for the most part, one lane each direction, fairly straight and fairly easy to pass slower moving vehicles. between sosua and puerto plata there is the entrance for a small mountain road that will take you into santiago, (bypass entering puerto plata) , that small road has many twists and turns.

from sosua to puerto plata, about 35-40 minutes (i have not done that drive in a while). late at night this road does not have much traffic (except for some motorcycles with no lights, some dogs and sometimes a horse) , so late at night there won't be many slow moving cars, buses or trucks in front of you.

from where you enter puerto plata, near the brugal factory, to the monument in santiago, i would say easily over one hour. sosua to santiago easily 90 minutes (i would factor more) , depending on the traffic in front of you and whether you get stuck behind slow moving vehicles.

santiago to la vega is a straight run on a 4 lane highway, about 30 minutes. la vega to boano is a straight run on the 4 lane highway, i forget the distance between la vega and bonao, but whatever the mileage is, you can roughly estimate one mile per minute (averaging 60 miles per hour) , off the top of my head, i would say 30-40 minutes la vega to bonao.

again if your driver has a porsche cayenne sport utility vehicle and you give him permission to drive like a complete maniac (as some dr drivers do) , then your driving times will be a lot faster.

[quote=nowrath; 1104037]gents in the know.

i got these distance between cities off the internet, and i'm just wondering how accurate and approximate actual drive time involves in reaching these cities.

all mileage was given with my starting place being sosua, would appreciate anyone who could supply me with their "guess" on how long it would take.

i would be using a local driver, not driving myself.

lavega 50 miles.

santiago 37 miles

sanfrancisco de macores, duarte 48 miles

bonao monsenor nouel 71 miles

are these estimates even close to the actual miles?

thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

nowrath[/quote]

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1104075]The calculator gives you roughly the "as the crow flies" route.

Nowrath[/QUOTE]Sorry, Nowrath, I didn't realise that. No much good for anything then, is it, except maybe for helicopter pilots.

Double the miles and convert to minutes. Santiago from sosua is 37 miles so figure 74 minutes drive time. I know it is a very crude method but about as close to drive time as you can get. There are so many variables to consider. Time of day, what day, do you have to drive thru a major city, etc. You can easily do 100-120 kph on the autopista, maybe 40 kph on the smaller roads, and 25 kph driving thru santo domingo or santiago.

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1104037]Gents in the know.

I got these distance between cities off the internet, and I'm just wondering how accurate and approximate actual drive time involves in reaching these cities.

All mileage was given with my starting place being Sosua, would appreciate anyone who could supply me with their "guess" on how long it would take.

I would be using a local driver, not driving myself.

LaVega 50 miles.

Santiago 37 miles

SanFrancisco de Macores, Duarte 48 miles

Bonao Monsenor Nouel 71 miles

Are these estimates even close to the actual miles?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Nowrath[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1104097]Double the miles and convert to minutes. Santiago from sosua is 37 miles so figure 74 minutes drive time. I know it is a very crude method but about as close to drive time as you can get. There are so many variables to consider. Time of day, what day, do you have to drive thru a major city, etc. You can easily do 100-120 kph on the autopista, maybe 40 kph on the smaller roads, and 25 kph driving thru santo domingo or santiago.[/QUOTE]Ok that makes sense, I know the roads aren't the best, but it will be a hired driver and my departure times will always be early morning.

The cities will make for some good day trips and lunch meetings.

Thanks for the info.

Nowrath

Waz up guys,

I'm going to be in sosua for 5 days arriving tomorow. Like to know any tips on chica friendly hotel. Like to get some last min info on Sosua before I arrive tomorow. I will post my experience when I finish my trip.

Thanks again

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin; 1104083]I quite agree with you on this.

Speaking to a friend who lives in Sosua, he says he just hopes that more people will turn up (tourist or mongers) or else the high season this year will be worse than low season on any other year! The business casualties will be so severe that it will irreversible for quite some years. Of course new places have popped up but I think there will far more about to go under (you can forget about real-state prices going up, if that's what expats were hoping).

I generally do NOT agree that changes in Sosua (and other monger destinations) are due to our IMAGINATION and the fact that we have changed and it's due to our new attitude and being used to things and tired of it and so on. Well, some might have but you can't refute that mongering is getting just a little harder just about anywhere in the world. It's getting more expensive (way over normal inflation rates) , less choice and freedom, more control and via pimps / chulos and middlemen. More establishment where men and women could freely meet up being closed, or controlled (I wonder when Classico goes the way of Help in Rio). They are serious anti-mongering forces in the world who work tirelessly against it, because they can't stand what we do. And I bet it's not going to get any better. I travel a lot and I read a lot of forums of many countries world-wide from Latin America to Asia to Africa, and this is my general impression).

Sosua may still have chicas and you might (with a bit more hassle) still get some action, but for me the atmosphere is being killed off. And that was the greatest fun and the most important thing for me. Going out, day or night, beach, street, bar, anywhere, and finding and enjoying my time with beautiful chicas. Specially those coming from other areas, they were more fun, less hardcore and even considered it a little working holiday. From what I'm told there are now very few of those due to police actions, we are left with hardcore, Sosua pros). And of course I can go village to village and city to city looking for them, but you can surely see the difference of meeting them all in one place.

I can always pay for hores in the West, in MPs, from Escort agencies. But that is no fun what-so-ever comparing to what it WAS like in Sosua.

Enjoy your time wherever you end up going, do it while you can. [/QUOTE]Excellent point made above. I hate to add to this buzz kill but this seems to be the minds behind the recent changes gents:

[QUOTE]Lindsey, thanks for starting this thread with the news about the new City Market. I am really happy to read about the new investments / services and other improvements in Sosua and Cabarete, especially about that light. I always tried to go in and out of Playero during the "not busy" times because the light situation was terrible. Sounds to me like it's a big improvement.

And now I can't wait to come back and check out Monkey Jungle! I didn't even know the DR had monkeys (LOL).

I'm starting to miss it there.

Sosua and other coastal towns, have for years requested more investment and human resources from the many corrupt Dominican officials that have come and gone, whom mind you, have never invested enywhere else out side of Santo Domingo. The central government while always benefiting from the sumptuous tax foundations that are Sosua and other coastal towns have never given anything in return. These towns completely overlooked and tired of travelling down the many failed avenous in pursuit of a fair and equal distribution of the tax incentives, have had no other choice but to take matters in to their on hands. For years they've lobbyed to have the laws changed in order to take contral of their own future.

After the many years of power struggle between the central, and local governments an agreemant has been reached. In the past few years, the legislative body (congress) has made way to enact new laws to permit certain towns I. E. The coastal towns of this country to implement changes as the town people saw fit. As a result of these new laws, towns like Sosua are now freed from the passed ways of governing, (centralized goverment) hence, giving the alcaldias (mayors) more say and power as to how to spend the tax monies in these areas.

Many in the real estate and investment field like my self, have been waiting patiently, banking on a dynamic change in social politics. Finally these changes are in full effect, and because of them, I truely believe we are well on our way to a better and brighter tomorrow. These political changes eventually will open the flood gates and allow the productive engine that is the construction industry in this contry to look in the direction of these coastal towns for the first time in decades.

Investors like myself (architect by trade) with larg amount of empty / vacant land in Sosua, can now dream of a prosperous future in this less than touristy town. Also recently while finishing the blueprint, to an apartment and commercial building soon to begin construction in Sosua, owner of Jaques & Taveras Construction, friend of mine here in Santiago. Who also owns larg sums of land in Sosua, informs me, that due to the change in politics, he feels time has finally arrived to beggin investing in the area.

Surely we are not looking to turn any of these towns into some Disney park as stated in some other thread, this would be farthest from the truth, and purely impractical. From what I've seen, as far as ideas, and blueprints, what investors have in mind is a warmer more caribean feel, taste and look to these towns. Also what these real estate and investemt industries are looking for is to invest in the commercial and infrastructure fields of towns like Sosua, Cabarete and believe it or not, Boca Chica as well. I believe achieving only halt of the many changes investors have in mind will certainly invigorate tourism, the night life, and the economy of these towns in general.

I recognize these changes are in many ways an up hill battle, because ultamitely, as these coastal towns become more attractive and entertaining, more cash will eventually pour in to them, hence, attracting more of the same illegals that formed part of the ever present evil in Sosua today. I also understand the lines have been drawn long before this thread was created. Those of us who believe change can happen, and those against change.

We must recognize a few infiltrated individuals on this forum, who's sole interest is to meddle, attack, criticize and inevitably misimforme everyone of the hopeless future places like Sosua will be without sex-tourism. Don't get me wrong, these people gain absolutely nothing in applying this tactic other than the satisfaction of misimforming everybody on DR1 in the hopes of maintaining Sosua as is. However, these individuals whom love to revel in the murky and foul waters that is the sex-trade, won't sway the shifting tides nor halt the positive changes taking place in Sosua today and the days to come.

Before any of the benefits from the change in politics can take place, we have to keep fighting the many afflition devouring these coastal towns today. Also keep in mind that no matter how fast, or how long these changes take, this won't shift the thinking of the few (Benedict Arnald) on this forum. And whether they like it or not, the malignant evil and it's many tentacles that is corruption (sex-tourism) in these coastal towns, is a phase the Dominican tourism and real estate market must and will thoroughly tackle in order to open the way for a better and more prosperous tomorrow for both natives and expats.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Love Bite; 1104144]Waz up guys,

I'm going to be in sosua for 5 days arriving tomorow. Like to know any tips on chica friendly hotel. Like to get some last min info on Sosua before I arrive tomorow. I will post my experience when I finish my trip.

Thanks again[/QUOTE]We like to help others here, but waiting until the day before you go to get hotel reservations is not good. I see in your past posts you have been asking alot of questions that were answered. Also you asked questions about your Cali trip a couple months ago and said a report would follow, well I haven't seen a trip report from you yet in the Cali section. We would be gratefull if you would give back to the forum in the future, have a good trip.

[QUOTE=Forcesteeler; 1104082]I'm in Sousa right now as of Dec 20th. It is far from dead, classicos was packed on Thursdays so many chicas. This is my 3rd trip to DR.

What I did notice is that the beggars, hustle man, are all gone. Which is a good thing because I hate having to walk down the street and being bothered. It looks like the police are trying to keep everything indoors.

Money still talks and there's plenty of chicas.

Will give you guys a full report on Tuesday when I get back. [/QUOTE]Maybe the scope of your "Sosua Experience" is based on Classico, but if you will pay attention to what most of the veterans here are saying, it is this. After daybreak, and before 12 midnight, there has been a concerted effort by the current government administration, Policia Nationale, Politur, with the support of many local business men and women and some misguided religious conservatives (soley used for a base of support) to SHUT DOWN all P4P activities outside any business in Sosua.

The ATMOSPHERE that was Sosua (Pedro Clisante) with all the girls, the Dominicanas, Dominicanos, Gringos, Gringas. All of it that initiated at 4PM every day centered around El Flow, and the "fun" at the beach during the day. IS OVER. (because other than the chica scenery IMO there is really nothing else worth doing in Sosua)

Sure, if you can tolerate EVERY DAY ALL DAY with nothing to do but walk around and look at closed businesses and the lack of services because there is no longer demand and wait till midnight, then Sosua is fine. But. Don't tell me that NOTHING is different between the hours of 4PM and Midnight because I'm calling you flat out. A LIAR. Sosua is a MISERABLE PLACE TO BE before the midnight hour. I've spent 3 of the last 4 months there, but came home, re-assessed, and now plan to head to new horizons.

SavePros321, how depressing! Now the real estate vultures are gathering. They can certainly muster higher bribes for the powers that be. Well I'm glad I could experience Sosua before it was destroyed.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin; 1104083]Sosua may still have chicas and you might (with a bit more hassle) still get some action, but for me the atmosphere is being killed off. And that was the greatest fun and the most important thing for me. Going out, day or night, beach, street, bar, anywhere, and finding and enjoying my time with beautiful chicas. Specially those coming from other areas, they were more fun, less hardcore and even considered it a little working holiday. From what I'm told there are now very few of those due to police actions, we are left with hardcore, Sosua pros). And of course I can go village to village and city to city looking for them, but you can surely see the difference of meeting them all in one place.

[/QUOTE]I've lived in the Puerto Plata / Sosua area for four years. I used to go the the Sosua beach more during the day during the first couple of years and I found the action there pretty scarce. There would be maybe 4 to 6 pro girls there during most days and usually none of them particularly excited me. I understand that "back in the day", the beach during the day was the place to go, though.

Here's what I found last Friday night in Sosua. Giving a tour to a couple of young guys from New York.

We left Puerto Plata (Playa Dorado hotel) at about 9:00pm, and got to Sosua at 9:30 or so. The first stop was Passions. I would give most of the girls there a 7 or 8. They were all cute and doable. I personally like to get to know the girl a little better before deciding to see if there is some chemistry. Passion's format makes this hard to do. We didn't choose any chicas from there on the first visit.

Next we went to the bar area on Pedro Clisante. There were no p4p girls visible on the street or in any of the open air bars. There were plenty of Dominicans (men and women) partying and dance at the new Rumba bar across the street from Latino's.

But, lo and behold, there were quite a lot of good looking young p4p's hanging out INSIDE Latino's. When we selected girls to party with then take back to the Hotel Central for ST, the girls were very concerned about being escorted to the hotel, then back to Latino's from the hotel. Apparently girls who are unescorted by a guy get arrested. Quality and quantity inside Latinos were both excellent. There is a security guy at the door who must be keeping out the skanks that you used to see hanging out on the street.

After that, it was back to Passions. It was the same mix of girls. There was one chica there that had us all panting. A large statuesque chica with generous curves in all the right places, but no fat. Sirenita. This chica is a knockout. For whatever reason. I think everyone was chicaed-out at that point, no one stepped up to the plate. Next time.

Next we went back to Pedro Clisante. It was around 11:30pm. Latino's had cleared out and all of the action had moved over to the "Club 59" disco on the second floor above Merengue's. Again, quality and quantity was excellent. It was mostly skank-free and there were a lot of new girls I hadn't seen before. The disco was wall to wall girls, music, and booze.

I can't speak to the daytime action in Sosua, but the nighttime action is alive and well. It's just moved inside and off the street. I guess if you want girls during the day, you're going to have to meet them at night, get there phone numbers and call them, or just wake up with them.

The Man Tour Guy.

[url]www.themantour.net[/url]

P. S. The village to village idea is a good one. Will require patience, however, because you will have newbie girls plus curious people to contend with. I recommend you take someone with you who knows the neighborhoods and can translate.

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob; 1104280]Maybe the scope of your "Sosua Experience" is based on Classico, but if you will pay attention to what most of the veterans here are saying, it is this. After daybreak, and before 12 midnight, there has been a concerted effort by the current government administration, Policia Nationale, Politur, with the support of many local business men and women and some misguided religious conservatives (soley used for a base of support) to SHUT DOWN all P4P activities outside any business in Sosua.

The ATMOSPHERE that was Sosua (Pedro Clisante) with all the girls, the Dominicanas, Dominicanos, Gringos, Gringas. All of it that initiated at 4PM every day centered around El Flow, and the "fun" at the beach during the day. IS OVER. (because other than the chica scenery IMO there is really nothing else worth doing in Sosua)

Sure, if you can tolerate EVERY DAY ALL DAY with nothing to do but walk around and look at closed businesses and the lack of services because there is no longer demand and wait till midnight, then Sosua is fine. But. Don't tell me that NOTHING is different between the hours of 4PM and Midnight because I'm calling you flat out. A LIAR. Sosua is a MISERABLE PLACE TO BE before the midnight hour. I've spent 3 of the last 4 months there, but came home, re-assessed, and now plan to head to new horizons. [/QUOTE]Finally, a real glimpse into present day Sousa. After one miserable month, I finally left on the 16th never to return again. My 'new Horizons' are actually old destinations in East Africa. Nothing beats Kenya and Uganda!

[QUOTE=Forcesteeler; 1104082]I'm in Sousa right now as of Dec 20th. It is far from dead, classicos was packed on Thursdays so many chicas. This is my 3rd trip to DR.

What I did notice is that the beggars, hustle man, are all gone. Which is a good thing because I hate having to walk down the street and being bothered. It looks like the police are trying to keep everything indoors.

Money still talks and there's plenty of chicas.

Will give you guys a full report on Tuesday when I get back. [/QUOTE]Most of the beggars and hustle men. There were still a few 'tigres' hanging out in the clubs and a couple of beggars on the street, but nothing like it was before. The "tigres" I refer to are Domincan males who speak fluent English and make their livings hussling in Sosua. I try to steer the guys I take on tours far away from them because they are mostly Dominicans who used to live in the USA but were deported on drug or gun violations. Some guys will still deal with them anyway, and nothing good ever comes of it. Beware of any high-fiving backslapper American / Dominican you meet in Sosua.

The Man Tour Guy

[QUOTE=Thedrman; 1104324]I've lived in the Puerto Plata / Sosua area for four years. I used to go the the Sosua beach more during the day during the first couple of years and I found the action there pretty scarce. There would be maybe 4 to 6 pro girls there during most days and usually none of them particularly excited me. I understand that "back in the day", the beach during the day was the place to go, though.

Here's what I found last Friday night in Sosua. Giving a tour to a couple of young guys from New York.

We left Puerto Plata (Playa Dorado hotel) at about 9:00pm, and got to Sosua at 9:30 or so. The first stop was Passions. I would give most of the girls there a 7 or 8. They were all cute and doable. I personally like to get to know the girl a little better before deciding to see if there is some chemistry. Passion's format makes this hard to do. We didn't choose any chicas from there on the first visit.

Next we went to the bar area on Pedro Clisante. There were no p4p girls visible on the street or in any of the open air bars. There were plenty of Dominicans (men and women) partying and dance at the new Rumba bar across the street from Latino's.

But, lo and behold, there were quite a lot of good looking young p4p's hanging out INSIDE Latino's. When we selected girls to party with then take back to the Hotel Central for ST, the girls were very concerned about being escorted to the hotel, then back to Latino's from the hotel. Apparently girls who are unescorted by a guy get arrested. Quality and quantity inside Latinos were both excellent. There is a security guy at the door who must be keeping out the skanks that you used to see hanging out on the street.

After that, it was back to Passions. It was the same mix of girls. There was one chica there that had us all panting. A large statuesque chica with generous curves in all the right places, but no fat. Sirenita. This chica is a knockout. For whatever reason. I think everyone was chicaed-out at that point, no one stepped up to the plate. Next time.

Next we went back to Pedro Clisante. It was around 11:30pm. Latino's had cleared out and all of the action had moved over to the "Club 59" disco on the second floor above Merengue's. Again, quality and quantity was excellent. It was mostly skank-free and there were a lot of new girls I hadn't seen before. The disco was wall to wall girls, music, and booze.

I can't speak to the daytime action in Sosua, but the nighttime action is alive and well. It's just moved inside and off the street. I guess if you want girls during the day, you're going to have to meet them at night, get there phone numbers and call them, or just wake up with them.

The Man Tour Guy.

[url]www.themantour.net[/url]

P. S. The village to village idea is a good one. Will require patience, however, because you will have newbie girls plus curious people to contend with. I recommend you take someone with you who knows the neighborhoods and can translate. [/QUOTE]I was in Sosua a couple weeks ago and I can concur with Man Tour Guy on his assessment of the action in Sosua. I am normally not a late night person so I had to adjust my partying and sleep hours to accommodate the lack of early action in Sosua nowadays, no big deal for me. Late at night all the bars were packed with plenty of chicas, me and my wingmen had plenty of girls to choose from.

We rented a villa so during the day we had the girls that we picked up from the night before hang out by the pool and cook for us, then at some point in the afternoon we would call our taxi guy and send them packing. A couple hour siesta, wake up and have a few (or more) drinks and get primed for the hunt. Wash, rinse and repeat. I can't wait to return in two weeks, life is good.

[QUOTE=David_33;1104289]SavePros321, how depressing! Now the real estate vultures are gathering. They can certainly muster higher bribes for the powers that be. Well I'm glad I could experience Sosua before it was destroyed.[/QUOTE]There is still plenty of action!

6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1104394]6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.[/QUOTE]What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.

So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? Can you imagine how difficult it would be for a chica from the Internet to come and visit you DURING THE DAYTIME in Sosua if there is a possibility that she gets "intercepted" on the way over to your hotel AND gets jacked for her money?

All this is telling me is that the powers to be over there want us to lodge anywhere BUT Sosua. This is a direct contradiction to the Dec. 15th piece put out by Sosua News.

I thought they wanted us to return...?

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1104412]What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.

So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? [/QUOTE]Daytime girls must have dates or companions, traveling to work, or doing laundry or going to the store. I heard this was going down but I didn't think they would enforce it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1104412]What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.

So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? Can you imagine how difficult it would be for a chica from the Internet to come and visit you DURING THE DAYTIME in Sosua if there is a possibility that she gets "intercepted" on the way over to your hotel AND gets jacked for her money?

All this is telling me is that the powers to be over there want us to lodge anywhere BUT Sosua. This is a direct contradiction to the Dec. 15th piece put out by Sosua News.

SP,

Maybe you'll have to spring for the cost of a taxi, the girl will appreciate not getting her hair messed up too.

I thought they wanted us to return? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sidney;1104394]6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.[/QUOTE]Sidney,

I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money.

[QUOTE=David_33;1104289]SavePros321, how depressing! Now the real estate vultures are gathering. They can certainly muster higher bribes for the powers that be. Well I'm glad I could experience Sosua before it was destroyed.[/QUOTE]Correct. I suspect that what is happening in Sosua is part of a larger and longer term plan that has worked perfectly in the USS many times.

The plan is to choke off the economic activity so that the local residents and businesses have to move / sell out / or become desperate. The ulitmate end "buyer" will be a large and connected developer or resort concern.

Remember, puta and mongers aside, Sosua is really prime real estate. The big boys have likely decided its time to move in. So long term, Sosua will likely decline as a monger spot. Somewhere, someone has the master development plan.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1104394]6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.[/QUOTE]Christmas is Saturday. What did you expect?

-Helpmann :confused:

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1104126]Ok that makes sense, I know the roads aren't the best, but it will be a hired driver and my departure times will always be early morning.

The cities will make for some good day trips and lunch meetings.

Thanks for the info.

Nowrath[/QUOTE]I did the drive from Santiago to Sosua and back. I took the mountain road to Sosua and it was in a really bad shape. It took me over 2 and a half hours. I also left a little late in the day and it got dark halfway which made it slower. But it was adventurous with good scenery both nature and the locals. Lot of chicas walking in the little towns, some really pretty. Some of the homes were really matchboxes and along the way I spotted a few open air bars with working girls in them, did not stop as it was getting late but sure looked like a good bargain.

On the way back from Santiago I took 25 and 1, roads were better and natural scenery was ok, some rare putas waving down trucks. It still took me 2 hrs and once I got to Santiago I lost my way and had to ask for directions to get back to Hotel Matum. One good fella at an Orange store showed me the way by driving his car and let me follow. Google maps are more or less approximate and only work for highways.

[QUOTE=Kman1;1104444].....along the way I spotted a few open air bars with working girls in them, did not stop as it was getting late but sure looked like a good bargain..........[/QUOTE]I picked up a hitchhiker once and before I dropped her off in Santiago we stopped at a cabana. You never know what you will find on the roads in the DR.

Thanks for your reports and the pics you posted in the photo gallery. "Cover the face and hit the base", LOL, I never heard that one before but must admit I have had a few of them fuglies. Even fuglies need some lovin'.

[QUOTE=Drlawyer; 1104430]Correct. I suspect that what is happening in Sosua is part of a larger and longer term plan that has worked perfectly in the USS many times.

The plan is to choke off the economic activity so that the local residents and businesses have to move / sell out / or become desperate. The ulitmate end "buyer" will be a large and connected developer or resort concern.

Remember, puta and mongers aside, Sosua is really prime real estate. The big boys have likely decided its time to move in. So long term, Sosua will likely decline as a monger spot. Somewhere, someone has the master development plan. [/QUOTE]After SavePros posted that long piece by the architect on DR1, I brought up Sosua on Google Earth to have a look. Several nice parcels of undeveloped real estate catch my eye; for instance, the 50-or-so acres northeast of Infiniti Blu, between the shore and Calle Dr. Alejo Martinez, or the couple-hundred acres that looks like it might be a cattle ranch with the "Playa Chiquita" label. That second one looks big enough for a golf course.

You've got plenty of room up there to build a whole new "Playa Dorada" complex, but there's this pesky issue with Sosua's reputation as "Sodom-On-The-Sea." None of your nice respectable blue-haired ladies are going to let their husbands anywhere near the downtown end of Pedro Clisante, as it is now!

Solution? Get a mayor who's ready to run the riff-raff (that's you and me, pals, and our chicas) out of town. Put the pressure on the chicas, because when they're gone the "eeee-villl mongers" will go too. Shut down the frat-party between El Fllow and Classico's; just make it disappear. The church ladies and the feminazis will certainly approve, as will the old fuglies who weren't able to get in on the lucrative action anyways. There will still be room for [i]some[/i] Of the action, but put it behind closed doors and make sure the owners of these operations grease the appropriate palms and keep up their contributions to the Policemen's Benevolent Association.

Trumpet it loud and strong of how Sosua has been cleaned up and it's now a family-friendly destination. Bring in the bulldozers and start building condos, villas, golf courses, time-shares, whatever strikes the fancy of the market. Sell them to whoever's buying and leave them holding the bag.

Rapido! Seguro! Economico!

(By the by, where are they going to get the electric power for this new development? Where will they site the water and sewage treatment plants? Or am I just being too damn practical?)

I followed the thread on DR1 that I referenced in my previous message, and found another interesting point by the architect of the diatribe,"Taino808":

[quote=ramesses (DR1)]The push is on to make Sosua a more upscale area, thus again pushing the people who have trouble making even a meager living, out of the area? I hear stuff like pushing the people out of Charamicos so a marina can be built.[/quote][quote=Taino808 (DR1) ]Should these people actually own the property they currently live on, then they have nothing to worry about. Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this. However, if the goverment or a third party is after this land, then it could be that these people are not the actual owners, for all you know, they could be squatters.

Nevertheless, for not knowing the actual legal status of the people living in this area, I will refrain from commenting. That said, I too have heard varying comments of possible future projects in that area. [/quote]"Should these people actually own the property"? Uhhmmmm, yeah. That can be handled, I'm sure.

"Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this." But I wouldn't be surprised if the mayor, or the alcalde, is "above the law" when it comes to property. A little matter called "eminent domain," combined with the principle of the "most efficient economic use" of the land, and you, too, can be a "squatter" on land your family has held for generations. Even land, or property, that you bought recently and to which you hold a supposedly "indisputable" title!

I'm sure it wouldn't take all that much "grease" to arrange for the title on some desirable land to get invalidated, or simply disappear from the books. Especially if the inhabitants were poor and unable to hire good-enough lawyers to fight it. Even more so, if the backers for an "inconvenienced" project were looking down the coast at Ocean World and telling the alcalde,"we can do this, too, right here!"

Too much doom and gloom. Let's enjoy Sosua, the best we can, while we can. Meanwhile, don't buy - rent.

[QUOTE=Westy; 1104576]I followed the thread on DR1 that I referenced in my previous message, and found another interesting point by the architect of the diatribe,"Taino808":

"Should these people actually own the property"? Uhhmmmm, yeah. That can be handled, I'm sure.

"Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this." But I wouldn't be surprised if the mayor, or the alcalde, is "above the law" when it comes to property. A little matter called "eminent domain," combined with the principle of the "most efficient economic use" of the land, and you, too, can be a "squatter" on land your family has held for generations. Even land, or property, that you bought recently and to which you hold a supposedly "indisputable" title!

I'm sure it wouldn't take all that much "grease" to arrange for the title on some desirable land to get invalidated, or simply disappear from the books. Especially if the inhabitants were poor and unable to hire good-enough lawyers to fight it. Even more so, if the backers for an "inconvenienced" project were looking down the coast at Ocean World and telling the alcalde,"we can do this, too, right here!"

Too much doom and gloom. Let's enjoy Sosua, the best we can, while we can. Meanwhile, don't buy. Rent. [/QUOTE]"Don't buy. Rent." Maybe the "renters" are the smarter ones and the "developers" turn out the to be the ones getting snookered. Sidney posted this in the General Info forum, but I am posting it here because it is relevant to the discussion. You can find this info at the D R 1 forum under "Daily News" for Monday, Dec. 20, 2010:

[QUOTE][b]DR less attractive for investments[/b]

[blue]Economist and coordinator of the Human Development Office for the United Nations, Miguel Ceara-Hatton pointed out in his participation in the year's end economic debate on TeleAntillas, Channel 2, said that the DR is less attractive for investors. He mentioned worsening of public services, unskilled labor force, institutional deterioration and violation of the rule of law as major factors affecting foreign investment. He said these problems worsened in 2010. Moreover, he criticized the government's priorities, and called unsustainable the rising public debt, as reported in Hoy. He said interest payments alone on the foreign debt are at 2% of GDP already. He acknowledged 2010 ended with exemplary macroeconomic stability, he mentioned the fiscal deficit, deteriorating trade balance with the US and the fact that none of the Millennium Objectives have been met. He said that the present economic model while producing wealth generates exclusion. He said there is no excuse for a country with 7% GDP growth has an unemployment rate of 14. [b][red]He said that the present all-inclusive tourism resort model excludes the communities from benefits of the industry[/red][/b]. [/blue][/QUOTE]

So I guess it turns out that if they do plan for all-inclusives in Sosua it won't benefit Dominican natives. The owners of the AI's will just send all their earnings back to their home country...

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1104426]Sidney,

I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money. [/QUOTE]I understand your cautious comments, but you are not correct this time. I have been a full time monger for 8 years with 7000 posts. I'm not naive and stupid!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1104578]So I guess it turns out that if they do plan for all-inclusives in Sosua it won't benefit Dominican natives. The owners of the AI's will just send all their earnings back to their home country...[/QUOTE]Lots of Dominicans are employed at All Inclusive Hotels, all the food for the AI is purchased from Dominican Merchants, for the guy in the other article to say the AI model doesn't benefit the local population to me is not true. I am certain that the local population in Haiti would love to have the jobs and the income generated by the all inclusive hotels.

I doubt they would put anymore AI hotels in Sosua. The AI hotels in Puerto Plata are not running at capacity.

Just about all people are greedy in this world. If I own a house or a condominium apartment, I will not get top dollar if when I go to sell the house or apartment, potential buyers see prostitutes standing on the sidewalk outside the house or apartment building.

Westy great info. But I have to disagree on one part, and someone who knows can tell me if I'm wrong. Arent most of the AI owned by Dominicans not outside investors?

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1104426]Sidney,

I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money. [/QUOTE]I have never seen any chica in DR with a lot of money in their purse (cartera) , unless the chica is coming from just servicing some client for 3 mil pesos or more and has that payment in her purse at the time the politur stop her. The stops and the arrests of the chicas has been ongoing for over a month, I am sure the chicas in Sosua know that the policia and / or the politur may take their money and I am sure that the chicas are wise enough not to be strolling around with large sums of cash. Unless of course the chica was on her way to the hospital with 20 mil pesos to pay the medical bill for her sick father.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1104578]"Don't buy. Rent." Maybe the "renters" are the smarter ones and the "developers" turn out the to be the ones getting snookered. Sidney posted this in the General Info forum, but I am posting it here because it is relevant to the discussion. You can find this info at the D R 1 forum under "Daily News" for Monday, Dec. 20, 2010:

So I guess it turns out that if they do plan for all-inclusives in Sosua it won't benefit Dominican natives. The owners of the AI's will just send all their earnings back to their home country. [/QUOTE]I very doubt that any AI`S will be built in Sosua or anywhere in the D. R. According to an article published in listin diario 2 week ago 80% of the AI`S which operate in D. R. Do not even manage to break even.

[url]http://www.listin.com.do/economia-and-negocios/2010/11/23/167632/Estudio-80-hoteles-todo-incluido-declaran-perdidas[/url]

Well here's my Full Report. I Was in Sousa from Dec 16-20.

I Think this whole crackdown is blown out of proportion. This is my 3rd trip to DR this year.

I got there Thursday Morning and took the 8:30am flight from JFK and got there around 1:00pm Sousa Time. I stayed at New Gardens and was greeted by the Dominican Clerk at the front desk, and also met Wilfred the German Manager. The Atmosphere was pretty much the same. This time I must admit I You do not see any beggers and hustle men like I did before.

They still had chicas walking up and down, As long as they had I'd or was with a Gringo The Police will leave them alone. I Think there trying to push everything indoors and not in the open like that. You have to remember they are people that live in Sousa and they don't want to walk down the street and see Chica Puta Hoes with tight dresses walking up and down talking about Freaky Freaky and come fuck my pussy its not a good look.

Its a Buyer Market right now and we went to Classico's that night and It was stupid packed with chicas that Thursday, I'm talking over 200+ chicas. The Chicas are desperate and you can offer them 1000-1500 pesos and they will take it because if they don't someone will. The Open Bars were still packed.

I don't think this crackdown will change anything, At the end of the Day we are a Global Worldwide Recession.

And Dominican Republic is a poor country and people got to eat. Also even if you try to turn Sousa into a Tourist Spot that will take Years maybe even a decade before investors get a return on there money.

Sousa is a very boring place and there's nothing really to do, What would make a tourist choose Sousa over the rest of the Caribbean. I Think they will be a huge backlash.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1104611]Westy great info. But I have to disagree on one part, and someone who knows can tell me if I'm wrong. Arent most of the AI owned by Dominicans not outside investors?[/QUOTE]Most AI`s are indeed owned by foreign investors, bank cooperations, pension funds, insurance companies.

The only dominican I know who owned a hotel was Miguel Vargas (politican of the prd) who owned the hotel santo domingo in santo domingo.

[QUOTE=Berthold; 1104636]Most AI`s are indeed owned by foreign investors, bank cooperations, pension funds, insurance companies.

The only dominican I know who owned a hotel was Miguel Vargas (politican of the prd) who owned the hotel santo domingo in santo domingo.[/QUOTE]I remember years ago, Hilton was partnered with Coral and they operated the Marian, Hamaca, Costa Caribe all inclusive hotels in DR. I was told that the Dominican government had passed some law regarding foreign corporations and partnerships with Dominican companies and as a result of that law, Hilton dissolved the partnership with Coral and thereafter Coral operated the hotels without Hilton.

Coral seems to have sold the Hamaca to Oasis and Oasis seems to have sold it to Be Live.

Iberostar, Melia, Dreams, Catalonia are some corporations that operate All Inclusive Hotels in DR. Many large corporations these days are multinational and some public corporations based in a particular country may have large stake shareholders that are based in another country.

[QUOTE=Berthold; 1104621]I very doubt that any AI`S will be built in Sosua or anywhere in the D. R. According to an article published in listin diario 2 week ago 80% of the AI`S which operate in D. R. Do not even manage to break even.

[url]http://www.listin.com.do/economia-and-negocios/2010/11/23/167632/Estudio-80-hoteles-todo-incluido-declaran-perdidas[/url][/QUOTE]I agree, the AI's in Playa Dorada twenty minutes away are starving right now, almost half of them have shut down. Now is not a good time to be building hundred million dollar resorts anywhere in the DR let alone Sosua.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa;1104588]I doubt they would put anymore AI hotels in Sosua. The AI hotels in Puerto Plata are not running at capacity.[/QUOTE]I posted this a while back in the other thread, I got to stay at the AI hotels in PP for 3 days when my flight didn't make it to POP. I was shocked at the amount of empty rooms, a matter of fact it was not just empty rooms but empty buildings.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa;1104612]I have never seen any chica in DR with a lot of money in their purse (cartera).[/QUOTE]It happens, but shortly thereafter her chulo arrives to take it from her.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa;1104588]....I doubt they would put anymore AI hotels in Sosua. The AI hotels in Puerto Plata are not running at capacity.......[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Berthold; 1104621]I very doubt that any AI`S will be built in Sosua or anywhere in the D. R. According to an article published in listin diario 2 week ago 80% of the AI`S which operate in D. R. Do not even manage to break even. [/url]

[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Doker44;1104681]I posted this a while back in the other thread, I got to stay at the AI hotels in PP for 3 days when my flight didn't make it to POP. I was shocked at the amount of empty rooms, a matter of fact it was not just empty rooms but empty buildings.[/QUOTE]Agree, agree, agree. I also don't see any new AI hotels coming to Sosua. I think the powers to be want Sosua cleaned up of the crotch grabbing chicas during the day and hide the chicas behind doors at night. Just my two pesos but the Mayor wants Sosua returned to the local families, regular tourists, and the ex-pats with all the riff raff removed.

Those who remember Sosua five or more years ago when most of the hotels were not chica friendly and managed to survive. As the mongers increased the regular tourists decreased. I remember walking Pedro Clisante during the day and most people on the streets were tourists. Yes, regular tourists spend money too. They spend money in the little gift shops, restaurants, dive shops, Mels Tours, etc.

Trust me, the monger's dollar won't be missed.

[QUOTE=Kman1; 1104444]I did the drive from Santiago to Sosua and back. I took the mountain road to Sosua and it was in a really bad shape. It took me over 2 and a half hours. I also left a little late in the day and it got dark halfway which made it slower. But it was adventurous with good scenery both nature and the locals. Lot of chicas walking in the little towns, some really pretty. Some of the homes were really matchboxes and along the way I spotted a few open air bars with working girls in them, did not stop as it was getting late but sure looked like a good bargain.

On the way back from Santiago I took 25 and 1, roads were better and natural scenery was ok, some rare putas waving down trucks. It still took me 2 hrs and once I got to Santiago I lost my way and had to ask for directions to get back to Hotel Matum. One good fella at an Orange store showed me the way by driving his car and let me follow. Google maps are more or less approximate and only work for highways. [/QUOTE]That sounds like a nice day trip, on a sunny day, thanks for the info Kman1.

With a hired driver it's just me kicking back and enjoying the scenery, plus a preplanned lunch date waiting on the other end.

Will she make the journey back?

Whose to say but I'm sure the drive back will only lead to more adventures, thanks again

Nowrath

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1104611]Westy great info. But I have to disagree on one part, and someone who knows can tell me if I'm wrong. Arent most of the AI owned by Dominicans not outside investors?[/QUOTE]I've got to 'fess up, Mr. Gogo, I don't know much about the AI business; certainly not from the inside. But it has to be similar to the hotel business, and I know just enough about [i]that[/i] To stay the hell out of it. (Need a rolled-eyes smiley)

Some hotels are owned by locals and run by their owners, like the New Garden, Terra Linda, Rocky's, etc. Some are owned by individuals, but run with a franchise from a well-known hotel chain; that can go from Motel 6 to the heights of the business. Some are owned by corporations under franchise; some belong to the national or international corporation whose name is on the front door; some are run by international corporations, but 'the house' actually belongs to someone else, be it a sole owner or a corporation. Marriott hotels would be my prime example of this business-model; they actually own about half a dozen hotels, but they sell their expertise in RUNNING hotels around the world."Marriott" is a very lucrative name to keep on you hotel's door.

Seems to me, speaking out of my ignorance, that the major difference between a "regular" resort hotel and an AI is the open buffet, the open bar, and the higher price you pay per night (to cover the cost of the open buffet and bar). You can include damn-near anything into the rack rate, as long as you charge enough to meet your expenses and give you a decent profit. "Oxygen Retreat," for example.

I know this doesn't answer your question, but the only true answer I can give you is "Damn if I know."

Cheers,

Westy

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1104686]That sounds like a nice day trip, on a sunny day, thanks for the info Kman1.

With a hired driver it's just me kicking back and enjoying the scenery, plus a preplanned lunch date waiting on the other end.

Will she make the journey back?

Whose to say but I'm sure the drive back will only lead to more adventures, thanks again

Nowrath[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Westy; 1104688]I've got to 'fess up, Mr. Gogo, I don't know much about the AI business; certainly not from the inside. But it has to be similar to the hotel business, and I know just enough about [i]that[/i] To stay the hell out of it. (Need a rolled-eyes smiley)

Some hotels are owned by locals and run by their owners, like the New Garden, Terra Linda, Rocky's, etc. Some are owned by individuals, but run with a franchise from a well-known hotel chain; that can go from Motel 6 to the heights of the business. Some are owned by corporations under franchise; some belong to the national or international corporation whose name is on the front door; some are run by international corporations, but 'the house' actually belongs to someone else, be it a sole owner or a corporation. Marriott hotels would be my prime example of this business-model; they actually own about half a dozen hotels, but they sell their expertise in RUNNING hotels around the world."Marriott" is a very lucrative name to keep on you hotel's door.

Seems to me, speaking out of my ignorance, that the major difference between a "regular" resort hotel and an AI is the open buffet, the open bar, and the higher price you pay per night (to cover the cost of the open buffet and bar). You can include damn-near anything into the rack rate, as long as you charge enough to meet your expenses and give you a decent profit."Oxygen Retreat," for example.

I know this doesn't answer your question, but the only true answer I can give you is "Damn if I know."

Cheers,

Westy[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1104426]Sidney,

I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money. [/QUOTE]The rest of the story is: Politur told her to give them all her money or spend the night in jail. Her mother paid nothing. She asked me for nothing!

[QUOTE=Sidney;1104855]The rest of the story is: Politur told her to give them all her money or spend the night in jail. Her mother paid nothing. She asked me for nothing![/QUOTE]Hey Sid,

No need to get your knickers in a twist. Maybe if you told the whole story to begin with you wouldn't have gotten the response that you did.

Anyway the fact is that 90% of the chicas in Sosua would have used the instance to try and extract pesos from a gringo's pocket, that is a fact that you or anyone else on this board can not dispute, I'm glad your GFE Haitiana is of the other 10% variety, enough said.

[QUOTE=Forcesteeler; 1104630]I Was in Sousa from Dec 16-20. I Think this whole crackdown is blown out of proportion. This is my 3rd trip to DR this year.

I got there Thursday Morning and took the 8:30am flight from JFK and got there around 1:00pm Sousa Time. I stayed at New Gardens and was greeted by the Dominican Clerk at the front desk, and also met Wilfred the German Manager. The Atmosphere was pretty much the same. This time I must admit I You do not see any beggers and hustle men like I did before.

They still had chicas walking up and down, As long as they had I'd or was with a Gringo The Police will leave them alone. I Think there trying to push everything indoors and not in the open like that. You have to remember they are people that live in Sousa and they don't want to walk down the street and see Chica Puta Hoes with tight dresses walking up and down talking about Freaky Freaky and come fuck my pussy its not a good look.

Its a Buyer Market right now and we went to Classico's that night and It was stupid packed with chicas that Thursday, I'm talking over 200+ chicas. The Chicas are desperate and you can offer them 1000-1500 pesos and they will take it because if they don't someone will. The Open Bars were still packed.

I don't think this crackdown will change anything, At the end of the Day we are a Global Worldwide Recession.

And Dominican Republic is a poor country and people got to eat. Also even if you try to turn Sousa into a Tourist Spot that will take Years maybe even a decade before investors get a return on there money.

Sousa is a very boring place and there's nothing really to do, What would make a tourist choose Sousa over the rest of the Caribbean. I Think they will be a huge backlash. [/QUOTE]Good news on the bars, the chicas, and the "toto market"; and we thank you for that.

I sincerely hope that the Powers That Be in Sosua will be satisfied to get the sex-trade "out of your face" rather than trying to close it down entirely. Much as I enjoy seeing a cute girl strut her stuff in a tight mini-dress or painted-on jeans, I can see how the residents would be put off by the show, night after night, right out there on the street. And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.

"Turning Sosua into a tourist spot" will take years, but I've heard substantial rumors that there is a master plan for a "new improved Sosua" carried in that direction. Trouble is, So-Sewer has an "image problem" that puts off investors, and we are "the problem" to their way of thinking. Make it look decent and wholesome, and it'll be that much more attractive to the buyer. First step is to "get rid of the sex trade," the riff-raff, the punters and their putas. How do we get the punters out of Sosua? Well, how about if we get the chicas out of the street? I believe that may be the reasoning behind Politur's "whack-a-mole" campaign. Is it working? For some; look at what Sidney had to say about his Haitiana girlfriend.

Will it stop the sex-trade entirely? I'm sure it won't. It may drive it indoors; it probably will make it a whole lot less blatant, at least on the street; but there are loads and loads of Dominican men in the country, too, who are looking to get their freak on. It won't go away, just "behind the curtains".

Personally, I could still be happy with a 'toto market' that's less in-your-face; even though my mid-October visit [i]did[/i] Get me ready for the new TSA Enhanced Pat-Down technique.

[QUOTE=Westy; 1104890]Good news on the bars, the chicas, and the "toto market"; and we thank you for that.

I sincerely hope that the Powers That Be in Sosua will be satisfied to get the sex-trade "out of your face" rather than trying to close it down entirely. Much as I enjoy seeing a cute girl strut her stuff in a tight mini-dress or painted-on jeans, I can see how the residents would be put off by the show, night after night, right out there on the street. And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.

"Turning Sosua into a tourist spot" will take years, but I've heard substantial rumors that there is a master plan for a "new improved Sosua" carried in that direction. Trouble is, So-Sewer has an "image problem" that puts off investors, and we are "the problem" to their way of thinking. Make it look decent and wholesome, and it'll be that much more attractive to the buyer. First step is to "get rid of the sex trade," the riff-raff, the punters and their putas. How do we get the punters out of Sosua? Well, how about if we get the chicas out of the street? I believe that may be the reasoning behind Politur's "whack-a-mole" campaign. Is it working? For some; look at what Sidney had to say about his Haitiana girlfriend.

Will it stop the sex-trade entirely? I'm sure it won't. It may drive it indoors; it probably will make it a whole lot less blatant, at least on the street; but there are loads and loads of Dominican men in the country, too, who are looking to get their freak on. It won't go away, just "behind the curtains".

Personally, I could still be happy with a 'toto market' that's less in-your-face; even though my mid-October visit [i]did[/i] Get me ready for the new TSA Enhanced Pat-Down technique. [/QUOTE]As usual you make complete sense. But BQ made a good point about his visit 5 years ago, when the hotels were NOT chica friendly. As a more "family friendly" enviornment evolves, making the hotel NOT chica friendly kills the game.

There are several communities that feed off Sosua. Charmico, La Union, Montellano, and Puerto plata are a few. How will they make up for this lost income? (sosua tricking). Actually with limited mongerers, pussy prices will come down. Taking pussy indoors is just part of the transition. (1) Clean the streets (2) Promote the beach and daytime non mongering activities (3) Establish non chica friendly hotels. (4) shut down Classicos as we know it. One day Classicos will be for karyoke and square dancing.

Once the local communities feel the cash flow lost, look for communities outside of Sosua to become more mongerer friendly. But it will be on a lowkey and limited basis.

People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.

It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive.

[QUOTE=Westy; 1104890]And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.

[/QUOTE]That fickie fickie grope, is them trying to pickpocket you! Watch it! LOL

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1104920]People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.

It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive. [/QUOTE]Well said!

The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).

The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus).

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1104920]As usual you make complete sense. But BQ made a good point about his visit 5 years ago, when the hotels were NOT chica friendly. As a more "family friendly" enviornment evolves, making the hotel NOT chica friendly kills the game.

There are several communities that feed off Sosua. Charmico, La Union, Montellano, and Puerto plata are a few. How will they make up for this lost income? (sosua tricking). Actually with limited mongerers, pussy prices will come down. Taking pussy indoors is just part of the transition. (1) Clean the streets (2) Promote the beach and daytime non mongering activities (3) Establish non chica friendly hotels. (4) shut down Classicos as we know it. One day Classicos will be for karyoke and square dancing.

Once the local communities feel the cash flow lost, look for communities outside of Sosua to become more mongerer friendly. But it will be on a lowkey and limited basis.

People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.

It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1105050]The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).

The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus). [/QUOTE]Bingo Jao, its not about the international tourist. Its about a Russian beach town. They tried Cabarette two years ago but the logistics (one small road, hells angels, surfer / kite surfer boys) didn't cooperate plus their money stated thinking bigger. Will it work? Yes.

Russians do their own thing and fly under the radar. Plus its not about the fiesta amd pussy, its about having their thing. Once they set up the Italian and German owners in Sosua will be glad to sell. As I once stated I saw a double decker jet at Pop but I never saw Russians, its a covert operation.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1105050]The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).

The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus). [/QUOTE]That is an excellent point, Jao,"more impressed." I think you may have hit the nail squarely on the Mayor's manicured thumb.

Boris Bigrubles Badenov comes in to town, buys a plot of land, brings in an architect and builds a "dacha". That's a lot of money coming into the community, with construction workers, buying building supplies, plumbing and electrical work, yadda yadda yadda. When it's built, he hires a staff to take care of him and guards to keep him safe. Money coming into the local economy on a constant, consistent basis. And it's taxable. I grabbed this off the internet, and yes, it applies to expats who spend more than 183 days of any given tax year in-country:

[quote= Guzmán Ariza & Asociados, S. A. 2007]Individuals obtaining income from a Dominican source or from financial investments abroad shall pay taxes as per the following scale (Art. 296) , in Dominican pesos (R. D. $) :

• Income up to R. D. $290, 243. 00 annually: exempt.

• R. D. $290, 243. 01. Road $435, 364. 00:15.

• R. D. $435, 364. 01. Road$604, 672. 00: Road $21, 769 plus 20% of income above Road $435, 364. 0.

• Income above R. D. $604, 672. 01: Road $55, 630 plus 25% of income above R. D. $604, 672. 01. [/quote]Now maybe Boris can find a way around the income tax, or at least minimize it; but there are also real-estate taxes, asset taxes (on that big vehicle) , business taxes, other taxes. Visions of dollar signs dance in the Mayor's head. It's really good for the economy. And who knows what other shake-downs can be gotten out of a wealthy resident who "needs privacy" but is so big on the local radar?

For that matter, any expat retiree from a "wealthy" country is going to be putting tax money into the national and state coffers. And they're going to be buying stuff on the local economy, year-in, year-out: food, fuel, medical expenses, electricity, water & sewage services if they're available, equipment such as inversors and battery banks to cope with the Dom Rep power grid, and so forth. And replacements and repairs, when their Dominican-built crackerbox-palaces start falling apart.

What follows is mere speculation:

Let's be really visionary, and cater to the "rich expats" by building a golf course in that big cattle-farm west of Seahorse Ranch. Millions and millions ($US or €) would go into such a project; it would be run as a business, whether a "membership country club" or an "open" (but surely expensive) course; not only would it improve the desirability of Sosua as a retirement destination, but it would be yet another cash cow for the Sosua government.

Same thing with replacing the barrio of Los Charamicos with an spiffy new yacht marina. It takes wealth to park a good-sized yacht in a marina, and live in a villa nearby. Someone sees a lot of money coming in from dock fees, slip rentals, hauling the boats for major work, and all of that; and, being a big visible business, the "assets tax" and "corporate tax" and all other taxes will help to fill coffers and line pockets all the way.

Of course, all of these big projects could go the way that many of those Playa Dorada AI's are going, I. E. Broke. Especially if they're run poorly, sold downstream to other investors, left to go to seed. But are the purveyors of the "Sosua Grand Master Plan" going to mention that possibility to Madam Mayor and the Powers That Be? If you were in the planner's place, would you?

By comparison, what does the municipality get from the visiting monger? Not near as much. Hotel tax, yes. If there's a tax on restaurant meals, or beer and alcohol served at a bar, yes (though it would be "the same" whether bought by a monger or bought by a nice retired couple living off their taxable investment income). Does the chica we bring back to the New Garden for the night pay income tax on her 'mil quinientos'? I would be surprised.

The picture of "all that development money" would be dazzling to any mayor, alcalde, or municipal manager. As Mr. Gogo says, though, Sosua would have to "clean the streets" and decent-up the town, before the developers will even break ground.

We tomcats will have to learn to prowl without the yowl.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1105050]The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).

The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus). [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Westy;1105142]That is an excellent point, Jao,"more impressed." I think you may have hit the nail squarely on the Mayor's manicured thumb..........................We tomcats will have to learn to prowl without the yowl.[/QUOTE]Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1105151]Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.[/QUOTE]

I finally did find some planners' conceptions for the "new Sosua". This is what they'd like to do to Los Charamicos:

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There's some more "master plan" information on DR1; vBulletin asterisked-out the URL when I tried to post it, but I found it by Googling "sosua master plan".

Definitely a "show-me-the-money" situation here; but it could be that "the money" has decided that the time is right, especially if they are secure at having Madam Mayor in their pocket.

(My own self-interest as a boater comes up: How much per foot, per night, to get a transient slip in that marina? How much per foot per month, or per year, if I live there?)

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1105151]Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.[/QUOTE]It may not be missed by the politicians, police and other Dominicans that have money, for awhile. But to the poor communities that feed off the Sosua hooker trade, that influx of revenue will be missed. Maybe you can explain how non taxed income directly injected into a poor household will be replaced?

Hmmm Lets see! Sosua and Charamicos the West's NEW SAN TROPEZ. Jajaja. I don't know. Just can't swallow that one yet, just can't picture what a monumental project that would be. I doubt it though. Maybe not in our lifetimes but who knows. I think the puteria will always be there, Now its moved slightly underground? So what we will work around it. Get some chicas phone numbers from the night before. Call them to hang out at the beach in the am's and for afternoon sessions. There is nothing a determined monger can't overcome. One things for sure though is I will have to pickup a cellphone for the first time in 10 years of going to Sosua. To be on the safe side and have numbers for daytime action!

[quote=miamiheatluver;1105166]hmmm lets see! sosua and charamicos the west's new san tropez. jajaja. i don't know. just can't swallow that one yet, just can't picture what a monumental project that would be. i doubt it though. maybe not in our lifetimes but who knows. i think the puteria will always be there, now its moved slightly underground? so what we will work around it. get some chicas phone numbers from the night before. call them to hang out at the beach in the am's and for afternoon sessions. there is nothing a determined monger can't overcome. one things for sure though is i will have to pickup a cellphone for the first time in 10 years of going to sosua. to be on the safe side and have numbers for daytime action![/quote]times square in new york city used be a bit of a hell hole, cheapy porn theaters and cheap martial arts shops (the peep shows i enjoyed in the old times square). now times square has the lion king show, wax museum and other main stream businesses.

i lived in tribeca in lower manhattan for 20 years, when i first started living there, there were many abandoned and gutted warehouses and other buildings that were just vacant with rats and pigeons living in them. now tribeca is a luxury neighborhood (all the old, empty, forlorn warehouses have been converted to luxury condominiums) , even subaru named a car tribeca.

neighborhoods can change and perceptions of neighborhoods can change. sosua is ten minutes from a international airport that has many international flights, as such sosua is a relatively easy destination to reach (no long car / bus / taxi from the airport) , the road from the airport to sosua is fairly scenic (unlike the ride from sdq to boca chica which is a dirty road). the international airport in samana does not have many flights and from what i remember that international airport in samana to las terrenas was more than 10 minutes.

i don't know if there is a nice marina for luxury yachts on the north coast. on the south coast in la romana there is a marina with luxury yachts and a high end complex called casa de campo.

i know that there have been plans for years to relocate the people from charamicos and turn that area over to russian developers. as mr gogo has said previously the dr is dotted with failed real estate projects, so who knows what the future will hold for sosua.

Would anyone happen to know where in the DR this video was filmed?

[url]http://www.isharemybitch.com/videos/3078/dominican-party.html[/url]

[quote=mr gogo;1105161]it may not be missed by the politicians, police and other dominicans that have money, for awhile. but to the poor communities that feed off the sosua hooker trade, that influx of revenue will be missed. maybe you can explain how non taxed income directly injected into a poor household will be replaced?[/quote]come on now, it's not like there is a hooker in every household. there are zillions of households without hookers and the people eat everyday. how much of a puta's money really goes for milk and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url]? can we agree the largest percentage of their hard earned dollar goes to the beauty salon, new nails, new clothes, new shoes, latest cell phone, minutes for the cell, and if any is left a new pair of shoes for the baby.

[quote=bq ribs;1105248]come on now, it's not like there is a hooker in every household. there are zillions of households without hookers and the people eat everyday. how much of a puta's money really goes for milk and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url]? can we agree the largest percentage of their hard earned dollar goes to the beauty salon, new nails, new clothes, new shoes, latest cell phone, minutes for the cell, and if any is left a new pair of shoes for the baby.[/quote]what she lied? she said my money went for babys milk, i was wondering how her dominicano cousin went from a motoconcho to a honda crv so fast lmao.

[quote=bq ribs;1105248]come on now, it's not like there is a hooker in every household. there are zillions of households without hookers and the people eat everyday. how much of a puta's money really goes for milk and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url]? can we agree the largest percentage of their hard earned dollar goes to the beauty salon, new nails, new clothes, new shoes, latest cell phone, minutes for the cell, and if any is left a new pair of shoes for the baby.[/quote]what she lied? she said my money went for babys milk, i was wondering how her dominicano cousin went from a motoconcho to a honda crv so fast lmao.

your kidding right? i am of the opinion that mongeres drop big money in dr. i've meet people from every continent in dr not just euros and yankees. some of whom have purchased homes "date" women and frequent many of the abundant mom and pops establishments, if not endeavoring to open their own.

the hooker might not buy milk and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url]. incidentally, the owners of said mentioned business do purchase those items. when you eat at mom and pops food place or buy a sim card or leave a tip at a restaurant. you've done your part. i've tipped 500 road pesos before to a waitress. the chica i gave it too remembered me for years. she practically did a back flip after she found out it was really her tip.

so, i guess my point is, borrowing the ideology of reganomics, i would susupect that maybe the "putas" kids / family don't get the money directly but someones family benefits from our fun in the sun.

additionally, i believe that we spend a lot more money than a working class family of 4 on a budget trying to hold their marriage / family together after they've both considered divorce (parents).

peace,

bbl

[quote=bq ribs;1105248]come on now, it's not like there is a hooker in every household. there are zillions of households without hookers and the people eat everyday. how much of a puta's money really goes for milk and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url]? can we agree the largest percentage of their hard earned dollar goes to the beauty salon, new nails, new clothes, new shoes, latest cell phone, minutes for the cell, and if any is left a new pair of shoes for the baby.[/quote]

[quote=jaosousa; 1105202]i don't know if there is a nice marina for luxury yachts on the north coast. on the south coast in la romana there is a marina with luxury yachts and a high end complex called casa de campo.

i know that there have been plans for years to relocate the people from charamicos and turn that area over to russian developers. as mr gogo has said previously the dr is dotted with failed real estate projects, so who knows what the future will hold for sosua. [/quote]there's a good sheltered anchorage in luperon, well protected from the usual path of hurricanes over the island, and a fair number of cruisers use luperóand as a "hurricane hole". jimmy cornell's 'noonsite' website mentions the marina luperóand yacht club and marina puerto blanco. i don't know if either has a boat lift, though i do see what might be a boat [i]ramp[/i] on the south side of the peninsula with the tropical luperon resort.

the current google earth image of luperon harbor is 28 oct 2006. it's not the greatest of resolution. i see plenty of boats, with the sort of size and hull shapes i can associate with cruising sailboats; i see an area of "bulldozer scrapings" east of the town, with a probable seawall and a "notch" that could become a travelift basin. a google search for "luperon marina" brought in a website for this marina development; but they don't even have as much "plans" as the architect's conception of the planned sosua marina.

eco marina luperon (close to that possible boat ramp) has a photo that shows their "plans for expansion," and the artist drew in a travelift and a yard lot that would permit major boat repair, bottom painting, etc. again, it's still just an 'artist's conception'.

ocean world, out past costambar, has a good, well-developed marina. they're very proud of the marina services, on their web site. i'll bet their pride is reflected in their prices.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1105254]What she lied? She said my money went for babys milk, I was wondering how her dominicano cousin went from a motoconcho to a honda crv so fast LMAO.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I remember her; you introduced her to me a Four Roses, didn't you?

I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you. She told me that she needed the money because the family's water-buffalo was sick.

(Oops, wrong country. Please insert LOS smile here.)

[QUOTE=Westy; 1105266]Yeah, I remember her; you introduced her to me a Four Roses, didn't you?

I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you. She told me that she needed the money because the family's water-buffalo was sick.

(Oops, wrong country. Please insert LOS smile here.) [/QUOTE]Next time you come I'm going to tip the Santigo twins off to kidnap you at the airport, but don't tell Jao and Bq.

BTW where the fuck is Coolie High? I heard that with the Sosua bad news, he won't come out the basement of his house. They say he has the same picture of Sade posted on the walls and can't stop singing love songs.

Yes P4P money can be replaced in Sosua. But not by these guys. That isn't even their intention. If you have seen some of their posts most of these guys are real estate amatuers. They have money and they are in it to get richer quick. Take the money and run. Their customers won't be the rich, although they'll say they are. They'll be mostly gullible middle class with a dream who have to go into debt to get it. The realtors will get their money, The debts go default. There goes the economy. This is what has happened in other DR towns. This is also the same type of thing that turned the US into a debtor nation.

The DR needs business and industry not real estate developements. There are ways to get this. I've heard they have been engaged in talks with other nations for years about this. This realtor money looks good to politicos, but it will do nothing for their nation.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1105151]Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.[/QUOTE]The Dominicans want it all, monger dollars, family vacation dollars and big time investment dollars. They are hedging their bets, doing a cleanup but not a 100% sanitized cleanup. Monger dollars have fed many Dominicans.

[QUOTE=Blk Big Bootyluv;1105260]Your kidding right? I am of the opinion that mongeres drop big money in DR.........[/QUOTE]No I am not kidding. Really now the Sosua monger is only making the owner of NG richer, the owner of the puta bars ricer, La Passions owner getting richer by the day, etc. So you buy a couple of meals in a restaurant. So you dropped a 500 peso tip (silly, silly, silly). So you paid for a ST and TLN in one day. So you purchased a sim card. Do you really think this is helping the economy? The little bit of money that makes it back into the barrio to help one puta family is ziltch compared to the number of poor people living in the barrios. If you honestly think the monger's dollar is bringing many families above the poverty level you need to rethink.

Go back and read Jao's post. One rich Russian will drop more cash in Sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime.

well all do respect to you and your opinion, however i still disagree with you. i have never taken a chica home from those establishments, nor do i plan to in the near feature. i enjoy chicas tht i meet elsewhere.

i am most assured tht the money i give her, hence my doe not silly- i can set it on fire if i feel like it, is money tht is not going to a rich anybody at least if she doesn't have a pimp etc. i was speaking in generally not jut my wingman and i that stay for a week or so spending 200 usd a day on fun fun fun, i'm speaking on all of us plus the non-mongeres tht do the standard toursity thing and tip. most importantly i think the fact tht there is even notoriety attached to the otherwise inncuous name sosua really means something. furthermore, if chicas weren't making money why are there thousands and thousands of chicas there daily and from both sides of the island? every time one of goes there we see a hundered or more new faces. so if the chicas are not making money, what are doing back there week after week and year after year? of course the russian can! hey i'm just a working stiff like everyone else. but that is not the point and is in no way related to the original statement that you asserted. youstated that we don't help the chicas buy milk and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] for te baby. ps i don't stay in ng.

peace,

bbl

quote=bq ribs; 1105321]no i am not kidding. really now the sosua monger is only making the owner of ng richer, the owner of the puta bars ricer, la passions owner getting richer by the day, etc. so you buy a couple of meals in a restaurant. so you dropped a 500 peso tip (silly, silly, silly). so you paid for a st and tln in one day. so you purchased a sim card. do you really think this is helping the economy? the little bit of money that makes it back into the barrio to help one puta family is ziltch compared to the number of poor people living in the barrios. if you honestly think the monger's dollar is bringing many families above the poverty level you need to rethink.

go back and read jao's post. one rich russian will drop more cash in sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime. [/quote]

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1105202]Neighborhoods can change and perceptions of neighborhoods can change. Sosua is ten minutes from a International Airport that has many International flights, as such Sosua is a relatively easy destination to reach (no long car / bus / taxi from the airport) , the road from the airport to Sosua is fairly scenic (unlike the ride from sdq to boca chica which is a dirty road). The International Airport in Samana does not have many flights and from what I remember that international airport in Samana to las terrenas was more than 10 minutes.

I don't know if there is a nice marina for luxury yachts on the north coast. On the south coast in La Romana there is a marina with luxury yachts and a high end complex called casa de campo.

I know that there have been plans for years to relocate the people from Charamicos and turn that area over to Russian developers. As Mr Gogo has said previously the DR is dotted with failed real estate projects, so who knows what the future will hold for Sosua. [/QUOTE]I spend a lot of my vacation time in Charomicos, (even if I can't spell it)

My chica took me for a walk to the cliff overlooking the river. On the other side of the river below (south side) the land has been cleared and leveled.

She told me that once not too long ago that area was a densely populated barrio. She said there were many sad stories of how they forced out all the local residents, and bulldozed the place flat. The idea was to build a hotel / marina complex, but it never got off the ground.

Geographically it is a natural sheltered harbour, and would be ideal, except for the existing barrio on top of the cliff above.

She said things move slow in the DR but in time it will happen, and the locals don't count for shit to the few people of influence who have always run things their own way, soley for the benefit of their own friends and family.

It was one of nhe few times she had tears in her eyes that didn't somehow end up costing me money.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1105321]No I am not kidding. Really now the Sosua monger is only making the owner of NG richer, the owner of the puta bars ricer, La Passions owner getting richer by the day, etc. So you buy a couple of meals in a restaurant. So you dropped a 500 peso tip (silly, silly, silly). So you paid for a ST and TLN in one day. So you purchased a sim card. Do you really think this is helping the economy? The little bit of money that makes it back into the barrio to help one puta family is ziltch compared to the number of poor people living in the barrios. If you honestly think the monger's dollar is bringing many families above the poverty level you need to rethink.

Go back and read Jao's post. One rich Russian will drop more cash in Sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime. [/QUOTE]Okay if you want to believe that rich Russians money will trinkle down to the barios surrounding Sosua and the corrupt politicians and police will share with the poor okay.

Here's the math. Resort jobs paying 5000 pesos a month before taxes versus a chica making 10000 pesos a week tax free tricking. If you really think the Sosua money that used to flow to surrounding areas won't be missed, so be it.

Hey Guys,

I'm planning on Going to DR in March, When is the best time chicas are desperate?

Before Carnival or After Carnival?

I'm not much of a carnival guys thats when all the prices are high and chicas are not so hungry because theres going to be alot of americas flossin for chicas, I'm trying to go when there hungry.

[QUOTE=Forcesteeler;1105495].........I'm not much of a carnival guys thats when all the prices are high and chicas are not so hungry because theres going to be alot of americas flossin for chicas, I'm trying to go when there hungry.[/QUOTE]Prices do not change during Carnaval and there is not a lot of gringos coming to town just for Carnaval. Carnaval for the most part is for Dominicans.

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1105445]I spend a lot of my vacation time in Charomicos, (even if I can't spell it)

My chica took me for a walk to the cliff overlooking the river. On the other side of the river below (south side) the land has been cleared and leveled.

She told me that once not too long ago that area was a densely populated barrio. She said there were many sad stories of how they forced out all the local residents, and bulldozed the place flat. The idea was to build a hotel / marina complex, but it never got off the ground.

Geographically it is a natural sheltered harbour, and would be ideal, except for the existing barrio on top of the cliff above.

She said things move slow in the DR but in time it will happen, and the locals don't count for shit to the few people of influence who have always run things their own way, soley for the benefit of their own friends and family.

It was one of nhe few times she had tears in her eyes that didn't somehow end up costing me money. [/QUOTE]Socialism. Whether the D. R. Government runs by that name or not. It is what it is. What's best for the masses.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1105321]One rich Russian will drop more cash in Sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime.[/QUOTE]Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons? The most expensive thing in town is a TLN. I'm sure their gambling dosen't make up for much. They have better places to gamble.

There is a Russian presence in the DR. It is a drop in the bucket compared to the US presence. It is always going to be that way. Geographic proximity dictates that. These Russians are among the real estate scammers. They have failed before. They are not going to bring very many wealthy Russians here.

The wealthy Russians have better and closer places to go. However if the Russians do want to come to this area they have an old friend right next door, who many people feel is about to open up. If that that old friend does open up the Russians will find much more opportunity there.

Bimmy5 you need to follow the entire thread. Let me see, you got six trips or less and only to Sosua.

Where do they get these experts from?

[QUOTE=Bimmy5; 1105581]Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons? The most expensive thing in town is a TLN. I'm sure their gambling dosen't make up for much. They have better places to gamble.

There is a Russian presence in the DR. It is a drop in the bucket compared to the US presence. It is always going to be that way. Geographic proximity dictates that. These Russians are among the real estate scammers. They have failed before. They are not going to bring very many wealthy Russians here.

The wealthy Russians have better and closer places to go. However if the Russians do want to come to this area they have an old friend right next door, who many people feel is about to open up. If that that old friend does open up the Russians will find much more opportunity there. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob;1105579]Socialism. Whether the D. R. Government runs by that name or not. It is what it is. What's best for the masses.[/QUOTE]In most cases like this it's quite the opposite, it's pure Capitalism. Most of the land that barrios are built on is not actually owned by any of the people who build there. As long as the people with the title don't have an alternative use they may not go to the trouble of evicting squatters. If a use comes along though, they use their influence with government to get the land cleared. It's the masses be damned, money talks.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1105581]Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons? The most expensive thing in town is a TLN. I'm sure their gambling dosen't make up for much. They have better places to gamble.[/QUOTE]How about something like this?

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Being built for a Russian on the outskirts of Sosua, according to "the other monger board".

There's an awful lot of "mil quinientos" decrements going into that palace.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1105272]Next time you come I'm going to tip the Santigo twins off to kidnap you at the airport, but don't tell Jao and Bq.

BTW where the fuck is Coolie High? I heard that with the Sosua bad news, he won't come out the basement of his house. They say he has the same picture of Sade posted on the walls and can't stop singing love songs. [/QUOTE]LMAO. Mr. Gogo I see we got jokes. Naw but with all seriousness I've just been incognegro and reading the forum. Every one is sharing there opinion on the current situation of Sosua and after doing some research and realizing that drastic changes have come to Sosua before one thing sticks out in my mind,"THIS TO SHALL PASS"!

The OGs all the way to the newbies will still hav a good time in Sosua or any part of DR for that matter. I mean seriously if you can't come up on some fine honey dip in DR regardless of the current situation you really shouldn't call your self a monger or a man for that matter. I take the current condition of Sosua for the next 20 years then try to find a decent fine woman in the good ol USA. And I live in Vegas where there's a lot of potential.

Anyway Gents I want to say thanks for naming me ROY in Mr. Gogo forum, keep coming to sosua and pay the BS no nevermind and have yourself a Merry Christmas and a Happy Kwanza LOL.

Peace,

CH

I still have a little 'pull' from my old TS/SCI clearances. Enough to have gotten this intelligence from the TSA:

Santa Claus has been cleared to receive his "TSA Enhanced Pat-Down" from the girls that used to troll for us on Calle Pedro Clitoris . Er, Pedro Clisante.

This, hopefully, will leave him in a good-enough mood to treat ISC mongers as "nice".

Wishing you a Merry Christmas!

Westy

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1105581]Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons? The most expensive thing in town is a TLN. [/QUOTE]A toda la noche (all nighter) in Sosua is from 2, 500 pesos (appx. $69US) to 3500 pesos (appx $97US). I paid for dinner for 4 people at Baileys Restaurant in Sosua years ago, with a bottle of red wine from Chile, Casillero del Diablo, not expensive wine and the bill for dinner and wine was over $100US. If we wanted to smoke some nice cigars at dinner and drink some fine cognac, I could easily have spent over $200US.

You can visit the Sea Horse Ranch page in Russian: [url]http://www.sea-horse-ranch.com/ru/.[/url] Sea Horse Ranch is less than ten minutes from Sosua. Current Villa prices start at 1/2 million US dollars and go to 4. 8 million dollars. Current villas for sale can be found here: [url]http://www.sea-horse-ranch.com/eng/sales_all.php[/url]

The Dominican Republic from what I understand puts tariffs on many imported products including cars and trucks. A $50k SUV here in the US may cost $60k or more in DR. Wealthy foreigners in the DR are driving around in expensive vehicles. Do some Russians buy expensive vehicles in DR? Or viking ranges and sub zero refrigerators for their villas? I would guess some do.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5; 1105581]There is a Russian presence in the DR. It is a drop in the bucket compared to the US presence. It is always going to be that way. Geographic proximity dictates that. These Russians are among the real estate scammers. They have failed before. They are not going to bring very many wealthy Russians here.

The wealthy Russians have better and closer places to go. However if the Russians do want to come to this area they have an old friend right next door, who many people feel is about to open up. If that that old friend does open up the Russians will find much more opportunity there. [/QUOTE]A Russian guy just bought the New Jersey Nets basketball team and may soon become the boss of the basketball player Carmelo Anthony. Russians are making a ton of money selling oil, petrodollars, and the treasury of the Russian government is not being drained by foreign entanglements.

The biggest scammer in history is a guy who was born in New York City named Madoff.

That said, I do not believe in trickle down economics. Prostitutes are independent contractors and should be allowed to ply their trade. The Dominican Government prefers the big time spenders because there are more opportunities to tax and collect revenues from people who buy homes, expensive cars, eat in expensive restaurants etc.

There are many Germans, Italians, British, Dutch people in DR. Many guys travel from the west coast of the United States to visit the DR. Many people like the vibe in DR. A rich Russian may like the vibe in the DR and decide to buy a villa. Rich Americans have bought villas in Central and South America as well as in far away Thailand. If a person likes a place, travel distance is but one factor.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1105272]Next time you come I'm going to tip the Santigo twins off to kidnap you at the airport, but don't tell Jao and Bq.

BTW where the fuck is Coolie High? I heard that with the Sosua bad news, he won't come out the basement of his house. They say he has the same picture of Sade posted on the walls and can't stop singing love songs. [/QUOTE]Lolol. You are right. I just spoke with him on the phone and sweetest taboo was playing in the background.

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob;1105579]Socialism. Whether the D. R. Government runs by that name or not. It is what it is. What's best for the masses.[/QUOTE]You have things very backwards.

The DR is one of the most capitalistic places you can ever come across.

The DR is tons more capitalistic than the USA.

In the DR everything has its price and the rights of the people play second fiddle to that of the big dollar. The USA protects its people and enacts socialistic laws so they are not abused thus giving a more fair shake to the people who don't have much money to protect themselves.

Incredible how many Americans don't realize the USA is just as much capitalistic as it is socialistic. How did socialism ever become such a bad name anyway? Republican brainwashing I think. Anyway. This is straying from the main subject at hand.

Merry Christmas All.

I'm thinkning about venturing to sosua in April, may for 7 days. Can anyone give me a list of A. I resort close by. I live regualr hotels but I fancy resorts. I like my room and food stationary. A map or list would be great.

Just wondering-what is everyone's drink of choice while mongering in DR, or mongering period? I guess I'm referring to the day to day grind of hunting during the day and prepping for the night feast of the club game. Of course, most just have a favorite beer or drink that they'll get once they get to their destination. But, I'm talking about that certain home made concoction that they sip on throughout the day to keep the buzz.

For me, I usually carry a 12-20 oz used water bottle filled with 1/3 Hennessey. 1/3 Alize, and 1/3 Red Bull with a 50mg Viagra crushed up and dissolved into it. I call it MY Crunk Juice! It's weird because the Red Bull keeps me awake, but the Hennessey definitely mellows me out. It has about the same effect as Mamajuana; I usually get through 3 bottles of those by the beginning of the late evening if I start at about 11am or so.

Rodeo

[QUOTE=Westy; 1105632]How about something like this?

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Being built for a Russian on the outskirts of Sosua, according to "the other monger board".

There's an awful lot of "mil quinientos" decrements going into that palace. [/QUOTE]But who's profiting from this? Real estate brings nothing to the economy. The workers are few. The suppliers likely not from the DR. How many others are there like him? He is taking. He is giving nothing to the DR. You think this tiny amont of wealthy people are going to bring changes? They aren't. You bought their line. We have seen this happen.

They could buy up the whole Sosua area and it will be for them. But what's going to happen to the people of Sosua?

The only thing that could Sosua is if business is brought to Sosua. That could happen. This isn't going to do it.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1105612]Bimmy5 you need to follow the entire thread. Let me see, you got six trips or less and only to Sosua.

Where do they get these experts from? [/QUOTE]Wait and see what happens expert. It has happen elsewhere including the US. The DR need business. Realtors don't apply.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1105649]A toda la noche (all nighter) in Sosua is from 2, 500 pesos (appx. $69US) to 3500 pesos (appx $97US). I paid for dinner for 4 people at Baileys Restaurant in Sosua years ago, with a bottle of red wine from Chile, Casillero del Diablo, not expensive wine and the bill for dinner and wine was over $100US. If we wanted to smoke some nice cigars at dinner and drink some fine cognac, I could easily have spent over $200US.

You can visit the Sea Horse Ranch page in Russian:

[url]http://www.sea-horse-ranch.com/ru/.[/url]

Sea Horse Ranch is less than ten minutes from Sosua. Current Villa prices start at 1/2 million US dollars and go to 4. 8 million dollars. Current villas for sale can be found here:

[url]http://www.sea-horse-ranch.com/eng/sales_all.php[/url]

The Dominican Republic from what I understand puts tariffs on many imported products including cars and trucks. A $50k SUV here in the US may cost $60k or more in DR. Wealthy foreigners in the DR are driving around in expensive vehicles. Do some Russians buy expensive vehicles in DR? Or viking ranges and sub zero refrigerators for their villas? I would guess some do.

A Russian guy just bought the New Jersey Nets basketball team and may soon become the boss of the basketball player Carmelo Anthony. Russians are making a ton of money selling oil, petrodollars, and the treasury of the Russian government is not being drained by foreign entanglements.

The biggest scammer in history is a guy who was born in New York City named Madoff.

That said, I do not believe in trickle down economics. Prostitutes are independent contractors and should be allowed to ply their trade. The Dominican Government prefers the big time spenders because there are more opportunities to tax and collect revenues from people who buy homes, expensive cars, eat in expensive restaurants etc.

There are many Germans, Italians, British, Dutch people in DR. Many guys travel from the west coast of the United States to visit the DR. Many people like the vibe in DR. A rich Russian may like the vibe in the DR and decide to buy a villa. Rich Americans have bought villas in Central and South America as well as in far away Thailand. If a person likes a place, travel distance is but one factor. [/QUOTE]Actually I'm getting sick of this. It dosen't matter how many times I've been to Sosua and I have been there quite a few. But I have delt with these situations. A bunch of Russians or any other wealthy people buying real estate or moving to Sosua are not going to change the economy of Sosua. You're right it's trickle down economics. They would have to sell a whole lot of SUV's. Now if they brought business and jobs with them that would be a different story.

But the best they could do is make Sosua a playground for the rich. That isn't going to help the people of Sosua.

Plus for many reason's that is not going to happen.

They can replace P4P. There are people with power and money who could do this. But as selfish as this might seem to think that is going to help the people of Sosua is ridiculous. This has happened in many other places. The town gets screwed, the people get screwed and eventually the rich leave too. For many reasons including it's history, it's location, the area surrounding it, Sosua is not going to be a rich mans playground, and the rich are going to take what they can get and run. This is a sceme as old as you can get.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5; 1105828]Actually I'm getting sick of this. It dosen't matter how many times I've been to Sosua and I have been there quite a few. But I have delt with these situations. A bunch of Russians or any other wealthy people buying real estate or moving to Sosua are not going to change the economy of Sosua. You're right it's trickle down economics. They would have to sell a whole lot of SUV's. Now if they brought business and jobs with them that would be a different story.

But the best they could do is make Sosua a playground for the rich. That isn't going to help the people of Sosua.

Plus for many reason's that is not going to happen.

They can replace P4P. There are people with power and money who could do this. But as selfish as this might seem to think that is going to help the people of Sosua is ridiculous. This has happened in many other places. The town gets screwed, the people get screwed and eventually the rich leave too. For many reasons including it's history, it's location, the area surrounding it, Sosua is not going to be a rich mans playground, and the rich are going to take what they can get and run. This is a sceme as old as you can get. [/QUOTE]I'm not saying that villa is "going to help the pobrecitas of Sosua, Los Charamicos, el campo or any of it. Just that this particular Mafioski is spending more money on its construction than you or I are spending on chicas. A simple response to this exchange:

[quote=Bq Ribs]One rich Russian will drop more cash in Sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime.[/quote][quote=Bimmy5]Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons?[/quote]The DomRep government will get money out of it through taxes and duties. Probably also from bribes and rake-offs. [i]And that's what they're looking for, [/i] Not some "trickle-down economic benefit to the huddled masses." This is not about "helping the people of Sosua," it's about "grabbing something good while you can."

I don't believe that the rich and powerful (government, investor or whatever) give a passing thought to "trickle-down economics" in what they do. I believe the Sosua political philosophy will be more like "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-on-you economics."

And I believe, as Coolie High put it,"this too shall pass." The chicas will be selling it, we will be buying it, and the challenge will be one of "marketing" on their side and "spotting the market" on ours. I expect that even a blind squirrel like me will be able to bust a nut, in Sosua, through the years to come.

My hand is gettig tired but I agree with Westy. I think he said most of the things I wanted to but said it better.

By the way the "most expensive thing in town is a TLN " remark was sarcastic. Except for the average consumer it is.

Also a couple of my fellow travelers are from wealthy Russian familys although you wouldn't know it. They don't get kicks by showing off their money. Or as they say they like simple things but spend more time elsewhere. I first met them in the DR and they are getting a kick out of this.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1105799]Just wondering-what is everyone's drink of choice while mongering in DR, or mongering period? I guess I'm referring to the day to day grind of hunting during the day and prepping for the night feast of the club game. Of course, most just have a favorite beer or drink that they'll get once they get to their destination. But, I'm talking about that certain home made concoction that they sip on throughout the day to keep the buzz.

For me, I usually carry a 12-20 oz used water bottle filled with 1/3 Hennessey. 1/3 Alize, and 1/3 Red Bull with a 50mg Viagra crushed up and dissolved into it. I call it MY Crunk Juice! It's weird because the Red Bull keeps me awake, but the Hennessey definitely mellows me out. It has about the same effect as Mamajuana; I usually get through 3 bottles of those by the beginning of the late evening if I start at about 11am or so.

Rodeo[/QUOTE]Thats interesting shit. Henessy is my drink of choice but I never mix it with cialis. I usually eat a light fruit breakfast, water myself down (no food) and take a half cialis about 2pm. I don't know but because I basically because I have an empty stomach, it seems to hit me correct.

At 5pm I'm chilling in the room at Newgarden watching porn, when it hit me. I walked on the balcony with a hardon (thankfully I was on the third floor) and signaled one of the girls downstairs to come up. The problem is cumming during intercourse with a condom. But I've learned to jackoff with the girls face there then push her to finish when I come.

Rodeo how is the performance when you mix your love potion?

For those prices, wouldn't someone spend the money and go to a better island, like St. Lucia or St. Martin?
"Sea Horse Ranch is less than ten minutes from Sosua. Current Villa prices start at 1/2 million US dollars and go to 4. 8 million dollars. Current villas for sale can be found here:"

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1105799]Just wondering-what is everyone's drink of choice while mongering in DR, or mongering period? I guess I'm referring to the day to day grind of hunting during the day and prepping for the night feast of the club game. Of course, most just have a favorite beer or drink that they'll get once they get to their destination. But, I'm talking about that certain home made concoction that they sip on throughout the day to keep the buzz.

For me, I usually carry a 12-20 oz used water bottle filled with 1/3 Hennessey. 1/3 Alize, and 1/3 Red Bull with a 50mg Viagra crushed up and dissolved into it. I call it MY Crunk Juice! It's weird because the Red Bull keeps me awake, but the Hennessey definitely mellows me out. It has about the same effect as Mamajuana; I usually get through 3 bottles of those by the beginning of the late evening if I start at about 11am or so.

Rodeo[/QUOTE]Very nice. I like vodka and red bull.

[QUOTE=DR Monger II; 1105896]For those prices, wouldn't someone spend the money and go to a better island, like St. Lucia or St. Martin?

"Sea Horse Ranch is less than ten minutes from Sosua. Current Villa prices start at 1/2 million US dollars and go to 4. 8 million dollars. Current villas for sale can be found here:"[/QUOTE]I'm not one of the rich and famous, but I can see some advantages that Sosua could have, over more-familiar Caribbean destinations. (Or maybe I should say factors that [i]could be marketed as advantages. [/i])

First up, the Dom Rep is less well-known that these other destinations. You wouldn't be looking for "the rich and famous" at POP. This makes for more privacy, something you'd value if you had enough money & fame to be a target for the paparazzi (or for more formal investigations).

Next, even the rich love a bargain. A house & grounds equivalent to, say, € 4 million in Sea Horse Ranch, might cost more than € 10 million on an equivalent "classy neighborhood" on St. Martin or St. Lucia or wherever; and the land for a "nice and private" place might not be available, on a better-known destination, at any price. The sun is going to be just as warm in the Dom Rep, the pool is going to be as refreshing, and any luxury you could want is going to be just as available, even if there were an added cost of getting it into the country. And there are other bargains, too; I'm sure you can 'buy' an alcalde in the Dom Rep for a lot less than it would cost to get a mayor on St. Martin in your pocket, and the alcalde would be more likely to stay bought.

Then I perceive a "nobody comes here" factor that could help the rich-and-famous slip off the world's radar screens for a while. Though most might perceive Sosua as "the middle of nowheresville," POP is an excellent airport with a 10, 000-foot runway, all-weather capability (what a pilot would call "precision IFR approach aids") , and plenty of ramp space for your private jet or your chartered NetJet. I doubt if Customs would bring you into the main terminal, down the hallway and past the calypso band, if you arrived with your buds and your "secretaries" in a private jet. Then it's a quick heli-taxi flight across the Bay to the landing pad by your island retreat."Kato, call up some beeper-chicas for our guests. And invite the Mayor over for cocktails."

Another thing is the ease of establishing "special naturalization" and qualifying for a Dom Rep passport. Even though they aren't worth much going into Heathrow, Rhein-Main or Dulles airports, they're good at POP and they'd put a blind area into the paper trail. Six months' residency and that nice villa you've built for yourself would qualify you for a second passport, possibly with a change of name to "sound more Dominican". This could be useful to someone who is doing the "perpetual tourist" thing.

The rich-and-famous, I'm sure, play a different game from the average Sosua punter. Someone who's getting one of those million-dollar Sea Horse Ranch villas as a "hideaway" is likely to be playing a different game from you and me, on a much more exclusive table.

[QUOTE=Westy; 1106004]I'm not one of the rich and famous, but I can see some advantages that Sosua could have, over more-familiar Caribbean destinations. (Or maybe I should say factors that [i]could be marketed as advantages. [/i])

First up, the Dom Rep is less well-known that these other destinations. You wouldn't be looking for "the rich and famous" at POP. This makes for more privacy, something you'd value if you had enough money & fame to be a target for the paparazzi (or for more formal investigations).

Next, even the rich love a bargain. A house & grounds equivalent to, say, € 4 million in Sea Horse Ranch, might cost more than € 10 million on an equivalent "classy neighborhood" on St. Martin or St. Lucia or wherever; and the land for a "nice and private" place might not be available, on a better-known destination, at any price. The sun is going to be just as warm in the Dom Rep, the pool is going to be as refreshing, and any luxury you could want is going to be just as available, even if there were an added cost of getting it into the country. And there are other bargains, too; I'm sure you can 'buy' an alcalde in the Dom Rep for a lot less than it would cost to get a mayor on St. Martin in your pocket, and the alcalde would be more likely to stay bought.

Then I perceive a "nobody comes here" factor that could help the rich-and-famous slip off the world's radar screens for a while. Though most might perceive Sosua as "the middle of nowheresville," POP is an excellent airport with a 10, 000-foot runway, all-weather capability (what a pilot would call "precision IFR approach aids") , and plenty of ramp space for your private jet or your chartered NetJet. I doubt if Customs would bring you into the main terminal, down the hallway and past the calypso band, if you arrived with your buds and your "secretaries" in a private jet. Then it's a quick heli-taxi flight across the Bay to the landing pad by your island retreat."Kato, call up some beeper-chicas for our guests. And invite the Mayor over for cocktails."

Another thing is the ease of establishing "special naturalization" and qualifying for a Dom Rep passport. Even though they aren't worth much going into Heathrow, Rhein-Main or Dulles airports, they're good at POP and they'd put a blind area into the paper trail. Six months' residency and that nice villa you've built for yourself would qualify you for a second passport, possibly with a change of name to "sound more Dominican". This could be useful to someone who is doing the "perpetual tourist" thing.

The rich-and-famous, I'm sure, play a different game from the average Sosua punter. Someone who's getting one of those million-dollar Sea Horse Ranch villas as a "hideaway" is likely to be playing a different game from you and me, on a much more exclusive table. [/QUOTE]One problem people forget is that the earthquake" fault line" goes right thru the north coast. Samana in 1946, 8.0 earth quake. And we all remember recent events.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1105799]Just wondering-what is everyone's drink of choice while mongering in DR, or mongering period? I guess I'm referring to the day to day grind of hunting during the day and prepping for the night feast of the club game. Of course, most just have a favorite beer or drink that they'll get once they get to their destination. But, I'm talking about that certain home made concoction that they sip on throughout the day to keep the buzz.

For me, I usually carry a 12-20 oz used water bottle filled with 1/3 Hennessey. 1/3 Alize, and 1/3 Red Bull with a 50mg Viagra crushed up and dissolved into it. I call it MY Crunk Juice! It's weird because the Red Bull keeps me awake, but the Hennessey definitely mellows me out. It has about the same effect as Mamajuana; I usually get through 3 bottles of those by the beginning of the late evening if I start at about 11am or so.

Rodeo[/QUOTE]Ice cold Presidentes during the day to keep me from getting too drunk then a switch to Captain Morgan Special Reserve and Coke at about dinner time then later on when I'm ready to party I break out the tequila, chicas LOVE tequila.

I have been following the daily discussion and thought I would put my perspective out here.

First, I am making my first trip ever to the DR this coming April. Why, you ask, should I have a comment on a place I have never been to? I own a company that specializes in resorts. We own several, usually buying a great site, dozing over the old and putting up new. We typically spend $100. $150M US on a three year design / build. We do golf courses, marinas, hotels, tennis complexes, and beach resorts. Our latest acquisition is a ski resort with 4, 000 acres we purchased for $12M. We will spend another $150M to build all new facilities, add a village and make it a year round resort.

With that said there are companies always interested in finding new areas to develop. St Lucia, San Martin, and many other Caribbean destinations were all once sleepy little unheard of destinations until someone went in and put it on the map. There is always room for a new place. The last time I checked they are not making any new waterfront property.

There are many places with great vistas available for development. Infrastructure is important, and the airport in PP with daily nonstop service to cities like New York, are strong drawing cards. And yes Cuba is certainly on the near horizon.

One is the most critical factors in any development is the 'red tape'. Money is easy compared to the alphabet soup of regulatory agencies that impose layer after layer of requirements that can multiply the cost of any development. It certainly sounds like DR is still years behind in this area.

If you can buy prime oceanfront property cheap that is located so near to a major airport and the regulations are nonexistent, you have a winning combination. Part of my first visit will be look at what the possibilities are.

Creating 400-500 steady jobs, paying taxes, buying local products, and boosting the image of an area, all help a developing area. More development usually follows.

Things change but the trade will always remain. Despite the total transformation of 42nd Street in New York you can find a hooker with ease. Certainly we will miss how things once were. I think back to Viet Nam and Thailand and the fond memories I have of how they were during the war. I miss those days but I still have fun every time I return. You make your own fun. If you like what you do and are good at it, you will succeed.

I look forward to my visit and creating new memories with friends I have not yet made. Hope to meet all of you during our visit.

Leonard.

UOTE=Westy; 1106004]I'm not one of the rich and famous, but I can see some advantages that Sosua could have, over more-familiar Caribbean destinations. (Or maybe I should say factors that [i]could be marketed as advantages. [/i])

First up, the Dom Rep is less well-known that these other destinations. You wouldn't be looking for "the rich and famous" at POP. This makes for more privacy, something you'd value if you had enough money & fame to be a target for the paparazzi (or for more formal investigations).

Next, even the rich love a bargain. A house & grounds equivalent to, say, € 4 million in Sea Horse Ranch, might cost more than € 10 million on an equivalent "classy neighborhood" on St. Martin or St. Lucia or wherever; and the land for a "nice and private" place might not be available, on a better-known destination, at any price. The sun is going to be just as warm in the Dom Rep, the pool is going to be as refreshing, and any luxury you could want is going to be just as available, even if there were an added cost of getting it into the country. And there are other bargains, too; I'm sure you can 'buy' an alcalde in the Dom Rep for a lot less than it would cost to get a mayor on St. Martin in your pocket, and the alcalde would be more likely to stay bought.

Then I perceive a "nobody comes here" factor that could help the rich-and-famous slip off the world's radar screens for a while. Though most might perceive Sosua as "the middle of nowheresville," POP is an excellent airport with a 10, 000-foot runway, all-weather capability (what a pilot would call "precision IFR approach aids") , and plenty of ramp space for your private jet or your chartered NetJet. I doubt if Customs would bring you into the main terminal, down the hallway and past the calypso band, if you arrived with your buds and your "secretaries" in a private jet. Then it's a quick heli-taxi flight across the Bay to the landing pad by your island retreat."Kato, call up some beeper-chicas for our guests. And invite the Mayor over for cocktails."

Another thing is the ease of establishing "special naturalization" and qualifying for a Dom Rep passport. Even though they aren't worth much going into Heathrow, Rhein-Main or Dulles airports, they're good at POP and they'd put a blind area into the paper trail. Six months' residency and that nice villa you've built for yourself would qualify you for a second passport, possibly with a change of name to "sound more Dominican". This could be useful to someone who is doing the "perpetual tourist" thing.

The rich-and-famous, I'm sure, play a different game from the average Sosua punter. Someone who's getting one of those million-dollar Sea Horse Ranch villas as a "hideaway" is likely to be playing a different game from you and me, on a much more exclusive table. [/QUOTE]

To help us sell what we have we also own a travel agency. I can put anyone in the local AI's in PP at the following rates per person per night USD:

Lyfestyles $21. 00.

Iberostar $35. 00.

Gran Ventana $36. 00.

Less than the cost of a chica for an afternoon.

Compare the number of rooms rented on average per day to the number of chicas rented per day.

Subtract the overhead of each.

Who contributes more to the economy per day.

If local money was the only concern for the goverment, the new mayor would be importing women from around the world to work in Sousia.

[QUOTE=Sweeper239; 1106103]To help us sell what we have we also own a travel agency. I can put anyone in the local AI's in PP at the following rates per person per night USD:

Lyfestyles $21. 00.

Iberostar $35. 00.

Gran Ventana $36. 00.

Less than the cost of a chica for an afternoon.

Compare the number of rooms rented on average per day to the number of chicas rented per day.

Subtract the overhead of each.

Who contributes more to the economy per day.

If local money was the only concern for the goverment, the new mayor would be importing women from around the world to work in Sousia. [/QUOTE]I'm sure many posters would welcome booking / contact information for those AI's at those rates. Can you provide more information?

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1106142]I'm sure many posters would welcome booking / contact information for those AI's at those rates. Can you provide more information?[/QUOTE]You know what they say,"If it sounds too good", blah, blah, blah.

You can bet your bottom dollar those rates do not include taxes and do not include all you can eat and drink. Sorry but I don't believe that post.

Example: Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1106145]You know what they say,"If it sounds too good", blah, blah, blah.

You can bet your bottom dollar those rates do not include taxes and do not include all you can eat and drink. Sorry but I don't believe that post.

Example: Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT. [/QUOTE]No. Its actually real talk. When I arrived in pop a few trips ago, I met an older white guy who lives in the the. Are. And he told me about it bc he said him and his novia go there when they have the deal. I called the site who had the deal and a lady told me it was over but they do have that.

"Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price." is EXACTLY CORRECT.

We frequently use a wholesaler called Cheap Caribbean (there are others as well) You can go to our website and book through us (we always appreciate the business, meaning we make a commission).

Not sure if the administrator will allow the following link but I looked and found this one quickly for Gran Ventana. The one for Lifestyles at $42. 00 per night per couple is currently offered by the same company. Just type in the resort name. If the link is not posted below you can contact us directly through our website at thetravelcompany. Cc.

This is the VH Gran Ventana Beach Resort

$44. 00 per night.

[url]http://www.cheapcaribbean.com/core/resortAvailability/cc.2757.html[/url]

Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1106145]You know what they say,"If it sounds too good", blah, blah, blah.

You can bet your bottom dollar those rates do not include taxes and do not include all you can eat and drink. Sorry but I don't believe that post.

Example: Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT. [/QUOTE]

Performance is great! What's great is I don't get the headaches or flushing sometime associated with taking the pill alone. Also, something about Hennessy just makes you feel like you don't have a care in the world and can tackle any challenge, including my record 6 chicas in one day (one at be-fast, one after lunch, one before dinner, one before going out to Classico's and two together after leaving).a very full day. At some point I have to take a day to drink nothing but water. Usually that's a non-fucking day (BJs only.) , which can be hard for the sportfucker like me!

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1105889]Thats interesting shit. Henessy is my drink of choice but I never mix it with cialis. I usually eat a light fruit breakfast, water myself down (no food) and take a half cialis about 2pm. I don't know but because I basically because I have an empty stomach, it seems to hit me correct.

At 5pm I'm chilling in the room at Newgarden watching porn, when it hit me. I walked on the balcony with a hardon (thankfully I was on the third floor) and signaled one of the girls downstairs to come up. The problem is cumming during intercourse with a condom. But I've learned to jackoff with the girls face there then push her to finish when I come.

Rodeo how is the performance when you mix your love potion? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jfregedie;1105781]I'm thinkning about venturing to sosua in April, may for 7 days. Can anyone give me a list of A. I resort close by. I live regualr hotels but I fancy resorts. I like my room and food stationary. A map or list would be great.[/QUOTE]Casa Marina Reef / Beach is the biggest All Inclusive Hotel in Sosua, two hotels were joined to form the one large hotel: [url]http://www.amhsamarina.com/casa-marina-reef-en?lang=en-GB.[/url] I usually stayed on the reef side. Probably the least expensive AI in Sosua.

Sosua Bay / Victorian House: [url]http://www.sosuabayresort.com/.[/url] I stayed there many times with my father and brother. My father once hooked up with a blonde Canadian woman at this hotel, he was 70 she was 30. Friendly guests used to stay at the Sosua Bay Hotel. Probably the most expensive AI in Sosua.

Sosua by the Sea may have some package where meals are included: [url]http://www.sosuabythesea.com/[/url]

These hotels show up on Orbitz, Expedia, Travelocity.

The lifestyle rate is true, but that price probably gets you the basic hotel accommodation, nothing fancy or close to VIP service. Meals cost $10 each they're not included. Their cheapest timeshare is somewhere around $18k, which they wrongly advertise that anyone you know can use it and receive the same services as the owner. The whole place is built around a caste system in which you are worth the color bracelet you wear. Some of the negative reviews in this link tell the real story:

[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147290-d647825-r89914356-Lifestyle_Crown_Villas-Puerto_Plata_Dominican_Republic.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT[/url]

OK, but what do I get for $42 a night? When I think AI I think free food, free booze, and the whole nine yards. I know the AI are hurting in PP but this looks like a money losing deal. I can eat $21 worth of food easy and my booze bill would put them out of business.

Panman made reference that the discount rate is for a basic room only which I tend to believe is the case.

[QUOTE=Sweeper239; 1106206]"Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price." is EXACTLY CORRECT.

We frequently use a wholesaler called Cheap Caribbean (there are others as well) You can go to our website and book through us (we always appreciate the business, meaning we make a commission).

Not sure if the administrator will allow the following link but I looked and found this one quickly for Gran Ventana. The one for Lifestyles at $42. 00 per night per couple is currently offered by the same company. Just type in the resort name. If the link is not posted below you can contact us directly through our website at thetravelcompany. Cc.

This is the VH Gran Ventana Beach Resort

$44. 00 per night.

[url]http://www.cheapcaribbean.com/core/resortAvailability/cc.2757.html[/url]

Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

ISG DR has been turned into a property, yacht and marina website!

ISG is all about the adventures us fellow members have with the beautiful chicas that inhabit this island.

We all want to hear how our comrades in arms are trying to hide the sausage with these beautiful girls. Let's have a few reports of distinction and no more on topics that have nothing to do with this website and unchecked will eventually ruin it.

Gran Ventana

From $44 per person per night All Inclusive!

Does anyone know of anything mongering-oriented going on in Sosua or POP on New Year's Eve? I understand this is somewhat of a family holiday in some countries. Will places like Classico's be open? I do know that Passions will not be open.

The ventana link says $44 per person, probably assuming double occupancy, so $88 per couple. Plus tax of 16%.$14, so $102 per day for the couple all inclusive. I think this is a real rate and more or less covers their marginal costs and is a desperate effort to keep up occupancy. Because they are all about their fixed costs. If you don't stay in the room they still have to pay the cleaning staff. If you don't eat the buffet food they still have to put it out. Local generic rum and beer are pretty cheap and a few heavy drinkers average out.

If the place is halfway decent I know a lot of chicas who would get a huge kick out of it, and $100 a day for room and board for both of you would make it worthwhile.

[QUOTE=Combo;1106405]Does anyone know of anything mongering-oriented going on in Sosua or POP on New Year's Eve? I understand this is somewhat of a family holiday in some countries. Will places like Classico's be open? I do know that Passions will not be open.[/QUOTE]Classicos better be open because thats where I'm bringing in the New Year. Damn Passions is closed? Peter is always a step ahead of the game, makes me wonder if there is going to be a massive chica roundup by the cops and Peter doesn't want his girls caught up hmm.

Looking at the Lifestyles links they seem to be about stilling timeshares and different tiers so it's probably 21 x2 for double occupancy plus 16% tax for basic no food / drink / facilities just a room and a hard sell for upgrade to timeshare.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1106407]The ventana link says $44 per person, probably assuming double occupancy, so $88 per couple. Plus tax of 16. $14, so $102 per day for the couple all inclusive. I think this is a real rate and more or less covers their marginal costs and is a desperate effort to keep up occupancy. Because they are all about their fixed costs. If you don't stay in the room they still have to pay the cleaning staff. If you don't eat the buffet food they still have to put it out. Local generic rum and beer are pretty cheap and a few heavy drinkers average out.

If the place is halfway decent I know a lot of chicas who would get a huge kick out of it, and $100 a day for room and board for both of you would make it worthwhile. [/QUOTE]All Inclusive Hotels are exempt from ITBIS 16% tax and are exempt from the 10% ley tax.

Sweeper has a travel agency, inside prices are cheaper. I know oftentimes Dominicans pay much less than foreigners at the AIs. I can remembering reading an article on DominicanToday. Com, that some all inclusive hotels in Puerto Plata had to offer rates in the $20 (I believe to some travel companies or something) per night range and the owners of the AIs were pissed because they couldn't make much of a profit at those rates.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1106407]The ventana link says $44 per person, probably assuming double occupancy, so $88 per couple. Plus tax of 16%.$14, so $102 per day for the couple all inclusive. I think this is a real rate and more or less covers their marginal costs and is a desperate effort to keep up occupancy. Because they are all about their fixed costs. If you don't stay in the room they still have to pay the cleaning staff. If you don't eat the buffet food they still have to put it out. Local generic rum and beer are pretty cheap and a few heavy drinkers average out...[/QUOTE]Nice job! That sounds about right. Since 2009, Orbitz has been pricing the Gran Ventana All-Inclusive Hotel at about US$95 to US$105 a night (double occupancy, off-season rate).

My girlfriend and I stayed at the Gran Ventana at Playa Dorada in November 2009. It's a very nice hotel. I was looking for a Playa Dorada hotel with a good reputation for good food and I found it in the Gran Ventana. The hotel has three restaurants and a buffet, which are all-inclusive in the price of the stay. Also, the service is very good and the rooms had been recently renovated (2008 or 2009) in two of the three wings.

-Helpmann

[QUOTE=Lugalzaggizi;1106423]However, I have been receiving reports from chicas that the police are cracking down on chicas in the street and out in the bars. One told me she is too scared to go out in Sosua at night due to such the puta pogrom that is presently being undertaken by the powers that be and the other says she will not start going to Sosua until January. I will call more chicas to ascertain more information from them and then I will post it.[/QUOTE]It is as I predicted so many post back; the main purpose of the arrests was more so to scare the girls off and to make any others think twice about coming to Sosua. No chica can earn if she is spending the night in a jail cell.

Thanks for this update!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1106475]It is as I predicted so many post back; the main purpose of the arrests was more so to scare the girls off and to make any others think twice about coming to Sosua. No chica can earn if she is spending the night in a jail cell.

Thanks for this update! [/QUOTE]Three of my favoritas have been detained overnight by the Politur! Two others have left Sosua!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1106475]It is as I predicted so many post back; the main purpose of the arrests was more so to scare the girls off and to make any others think twice about coming to Sosua. No chica can earn if she is spending the night in a jail cell.

Thanks for this update! [/QUOTE]Like I said I was there December 20, And I notice little to no difference. Classicos was packed as hell and I can still walk down and see chicas.

You have to remember they can never kill prostitution, Its impossible. Money Talks.

Look at the United States, I live in NewYork (aka Police State) , We have tons of resources like police, uncovers, feds and they still can't crackdown on everything.

I can still hobby, as long as I have the money.

These chicas in Sousa are not hoeing for Gucci Bag like the Pros in the United States. More then likely its to help there family's and for survival.

DR is a poor country and as long you have GreenBacks you will be ok,

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1106413]All Inclusive Hotels are exempt from ITBIS 16% tax and are exempt from the 10% ley tax.

Sweeper has a travel agency, inside prices are cheaper. I know oftentimes Dominicans pay much less than foreigners at the AIs. I can remembering reading an article on DominicanToday. Com, that some all inclusive hotels in Puerto Plata had to offer rates in the $20 (I believe to some travel companies or something) per night range and the owners of the AIs were pissed because they couldn't make much of a profit at those rates. [/QUOTE]Even better. So you think Gran Ventana is $88 straight as a public offer and possible to do even better. From Helpman's pictures and comments I conclude that's worth checking out. I think AI's like that could be a lot of fun with a chica at those prices.

1130pm. Good news! By far the best night in Sosua since Dec. 3. Fifteen chicas were standing behind the Merengue Bar. Don't cancel your Sosua plans!

1130pm. Good news! By far the best night in Sosua since Dec. 3. Fifteen chicas were standing behind the Merengue Bar. Don't cancel your Sosua plans!

I think the Sosua Mayor will have to erect the "Rodeo Hall of Fame Wall", sort of like what "Living Color" did for Wilt Chamberlain. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lne_9zooTE[/url]

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1106241]Performance is great! What's great is I don't get the headaches or flushing sometime associated with taking the pill alone. Also, something about Hennessy just makes you feel like you don't have a care in the world and can tackle any challenge, including my record 6 chicas in one day (one at be-fast, one after lunch, one before dinner, one before going out to Classico's and two together after leaving).a very full day. At some point I have to take a day to drink nothing but water. Usually that's a non-fucking day (BJs only.) , which can be hard for the sportfucker like me![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sidney;1107041]1130pm. Good news! By far the best night in Sosua since Dec. 3. Fifteen chicas were standing behind the Merengue Bar. Don't cancel your Sosua plans![/QUOTE]LOL, was this a sarcastic post? But if you are saying that there were 15 chicas at Merengue but a TON of chicas in Classicos, then that is good news indeed!

Fellow deviants,

Just wondering if anyone had any contact info on any of the low-cost apartments or long-term motel / hotels that the chicas from out of town use while working in Sosua. I figure one can do worse than setting up shop in the midst of a puta-oasis. A ho-asis if you will! I would imagine the prices are pretty low as well. I'm not a cheap bastard or anything, I just prefer to be surrounded by beautiful women and get a good value for where I'm living if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Rodeo

Are there any gyms or workout facilities open to the public (even for a charge) in Sosua?

Rodeo

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1107525]Fellow deviants,

Just wondering if anyone had any contact info on any of the low-cost apartments or long-term motel / hotels that the chicas from out of town use while working in Sosua. I figure one can do worse than setting up shop in the midst of a puta-oasis. A ho-asis if you will! I would imagine the prices are pretty low as well. I'm not a cheap bastard or anything, I just prefer to be surrounded by beautiful women and get a good value for where I'm living if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Rodeo[/QUOTE]I visited four Sosua chicas where they lived. One lived an apartment that was located past Tradewinds and past the Palms Condominiums. Two other chicas lived at the Hotel Cubano which is one block south of hotel europa on a semi paved road. Two other chicas shared a room at the hotel romanoff, [url]http://www.hotel-dominican-republic.net/apart-hotel-617-romanoff-sosua.html.[/url]

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1107525]Fellow deviants,

Just wondering if anyone had any contact info on any of the low-cost apartments or long-term motel / hotels that the chicas from out of town use while working in Sosua. I figure one can do worse than setting up shop in the midst of a puta-oasis. A ho-asis if you will! I would imagine the prices are pretty low as well. I'm not a cheap bastard or anything, I just prefer to be surrounded by beautiful women and get a good value for where I'm living if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Rodeo[/QUOTE]The only place I would even consider would be in Sosua / Batey, they call it the Cuban's place because it is, or was owned, by a Cuban. It is a block off PC across from the Europa.

Many chicas stay in Charamicos where the hotels are generally pretty primitive in my experience. Not to mention, at night, its not always safe to wander around.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1107527]Are there any gyms or workout facilities open to the public (even for a charge) in Sosua?

Rodeo[/QUOTE]There is a gym in the casino building across from the Sosua Bay Resorts. I think it's called "Platinum Gym". I've never been to it, but ac chica I fuck with pointed it out to me.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1107525]Fellow deviants,

Just wondering if anyone had any contact info on any of the low-cost apartments or long-term motel / hotels that the chicas from out of town use while working in Sosua. I figure one can do worse than setting up shop in the midst of a puta-oasis. A ho-asis if you will! I would imagine the prices are pretty low as well. I'm not a cheap bastard or anything, I just prefer to be surrounded by beautiful women and get a good value for where I'm living if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Rodeo[/QUOTE]Haitian chicas I went back with lived in Charamicos in a place that seemed basically like a shared reverse jail cell, just a concrete room with a couple cots and other sleeping places with door with bars (locking from the inside). There must have been some kind of bathroom down the hall. It was basically just a place you could lock up stuff during the day and yourself at night. Keeping your few possessions from being stolen and yourself from being attacked while you sleep was the main feature. This is poverty of a sort you don't see in the US. These girls are not dysfunctional at all. They are very competent but they have nothing and they are struggling to barely survive.

Dominican morena lived in Montellano in a stand alone concrete house she rented with her sister. If you have never visited in the heart of a barrio with a chica you ought to. She grew up there and was "embedded". Barrios are dense very socially complex places. Everybody is part of the show but as an outsider and a gringo you are quite entertaining. It's very easy to go home with chicas and see what it's like. My impression is that if you are with somebody who is connected to the place as their guest it's very safe. Nobody is anonymous there, somebody born a mile away but not from that barrio would stick out almost as much as a gringo. It would be possible to move in with a chica in a barrio and live with her but not to monger with other chicas you find there, a least without being very careful about it.

[QUOTE=Koki9290;1107670]The only place I would even consider would be in Sosua / Batey, they call it the Cuban's place because it is, or was owned, by a Cuban. It is a block off PC across from the Europa.[/QUOTE]Hotel Cubano, when walking east past the hotel europa in the direction of Passions, the first right (if I remember correctly) , dirt road that becomes semi-paved closer to the hotel cubano. I met some flaca chica who has staying there and I rented a room there one night. It was a one bedroom (queen sized mattress in the bedroom and a smaller bed in the living / dining-room). Old Haitian watchieman was stationed at the front entrance of the hotel at night. I stayed there years ago.

Hotel Romanoff, I was inside one morning at around 6-7am after drinking all night and swimming in the Tradewinds pool. 1/2 Colombian-1/2 Dominican chica named Azul shared a room there with a busty brunette. Their room, if I remember correctly had a kitchenette (the hotel cubano room may have had a kitchenette). There was one queen sized bed in the room the chicas had at Romanoff. Hotel Romanoff is down the block (north) from the Sosua Municipal Buildings (Also the liquor store and probably Calypso Hotel are on that street). There used to be the 24 hour bar Caperinha across the street from the hotel romanoff. The hotel romanoff, to my eyes seemed much nicer than the hotel cubano.

Good to know where the chicas live, in case they want you to meet them for an afternoon session or if they want you to meet them where they live in the daytime so that they won't be harassed by the police for walking around alone.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1107759]This is poverty of a sort you don't see in the US. These girls are not dysfunctional at all. They are very competent but they have nothing and they are struggling to barely survive.[/QUOTE]What I find interesting is how they can move from living like that to living with a gringo partner at First World standards (and sometimes almost luxury), then perhaps back to the "prison cell" again when things foul up, and take it all in their stride. You would think they would suffer psychological problems but they seem to accept it as all as the ups and downs of life and immediately adapt. I guess Haitians in particular have had to evolve that sort of mentality to endure the horrors piled on horrors that afflict them.

I watched a Mexican movie with my Haitian girlfriend the other night. The theme of the movie was the desperate conditions of many Mexican immigrants into the US and the way they are abused and exploited. This was totally lost on my girlfriend as their miserable existence was a walk in the park compared to what most Haitians experience. They ate every day, they had a bed (of sorts) each, one of the family even drove an old truck. By her standards they were living the good life.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1107527]Are there any gyms or workout facilities open to the public (even for a charge) in Sosua?

Rodeo[/QUOTE]Yes there is the Platinum gym that above the Casino. $500dp for the week. Has raquetball courts too. Also another gym down the street a bit, across from Casa Maria (or something like that) All-Inclusive hotel. This is more of a local gym but has more equipment. Just not as clean as the Platinum.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1107759]Haitian chicas I went back with lived in Charamicos in a place that seemed basically like a shared reverse jail cell, just a concrete room with a couple cots and other sleeping places with door with bars (locking from the inside). There must have been some kind of bathroom down the hall. It was basically just a place you could lock up stuff during the day and yourself at night. Keeping your few possessions from being stolen and yourself from being attacked while you sleep was the main feature. This is poverty of a sort you don't see in the US. These girls are not dysfunctional at all. They are very competent but they have nothing and they are struggling to barely survive.

Dominican morena lived in Montellano in a stand alone concrete house she rented with her sister. If you have never visited in the heart of a barrio with a chica you ought to. She grew up there and was "embedded". Barrios are dense very socially complex places. Everybody is part of the show but as an outsider and a gringo you are quite entertaining. It's very easy to go home with chicas and see what it's like. My impression is that if you are with somebody who is connected to the place as their guest it's very safe. Nobody is anonymous there, somebody born a mile away but not from that barrio would stick out almost as much as a gringo. It would be possible to move in with a chica in a barrio and live with her but not to monger with other chicas you find there, a least without being very careful about it. [/QUOTE]I have been to the barrios with several chicas and your description is spot on. In some areas such as POP they will rent an "apartment" and four or five of them will live together splitting the rent. As you said, if you go into these barrios with someone that lives there you will be safe but be prepared to be "on display". You will get curious stares from almost everyone but at the same time ten seconds after getting off the moto or out of the taxi someone will put a plastic chair out for you and offer to make a run to the nearest tienda to get you (and them, haha) a beer.

In November I was in one of these barrios with one of my regulars helping her move into a new place with a couple of her friends, a real poor area just outside POP. Two minutes after I had sat down outside a guy came up to me and starting speaking to me in perfect english, come to find out he had lived for fifteen years in the same city I grew up in New England.

I love going into these barrios and hanging and partying with the locals, I have made some great friends both with benefits and without.

But to answer Rodeo's original question, it is not a place to set up your mongering camp because there aren't any short term rentals, these girls live in very poor strictly residential places with the barest of essentials.

I'm heading back next week, I have a hotel room in Sosua as there aren't any hotel options in POP but I will be in the barrios of POP during the day visiting friends and partying and prowling the bars of Sosua at night.

Yesterday did a walk through at 5pm. No chicas on the street. Mostly european guys drinking at the bars, not many Americanos. Many families up by La Roca and the beach. Even saw two Chinese family, that was different. Couples riding bikes and families pushing strollers. At Mia headed to POP not many mongeres grouped up excited about their trip, saw three African Americans and they were going to Puerto Plata. One guy was funny, he had on a nice suit going to the campo. No hot water, bathroom outdoors etc. One guy was going to SD he had a Internet girl he had been sending200 use a week. He was going with 5000usd for a week. Going to take a nap and hit the strip at 10pm.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1107874]One guy was going to SD he had a Internet girl he had been sending200 use a week. He was going with 5000usd for a week. Going to take a nap and hit the strip at 10pm.[/QUOTE]Gee you think that's enough? Priceless just priceless. You got to love the westernunion novio! Let me know how that PM action is going. My friends are sweating me to go down for superbowl weekend. I trust your accurate, honest assessments. Feliz Año!

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1107837]I watched a Mexican movie with my Haitian girlfriend the other night. The theme of the movie was the desperate conditions of many Mexican immigrants into the US and the way they are abused and exploited. This was totally lost on my girlfriend as their miserable existence was a walk in the park compared to what most Haitians experience. They ate every day, they had a bed (of sorts) each, one of the family even drove an old truck. By her standards they were living the good life.[/QUOTE]By the standards of the Hollywood Limousine Liberals who produced, directed, and distributed that movie, the conditions they were portraying were indeed desperate. And by your Haitiana's standards,"they were living the good life." I think I've just sprained my perspective!

No, not really. But I spent $500 US on a round-trip ticket and spent $2000 US on a week in Sosua, last October. How far would that $2500 go toward meeting the basic needs of a family in the campo? (I mean, if it were parcelled out into the hands of "La Abuela," who spent it on food and cooking fuel and maybe T-shirts and shorts for the kids; not the "necessities" of a working girl on Pedro Clisante, such as hairstyling and cosmetics and what Amy Winehouse called "fuck-me pumps".)

I know I have a bare glimpse, a scant idea, of the poverty so many Dominicanas and Haitianas grew up enduring. By comparison, I believe that our homeless people in the USA have it pretty good. As for me, with my DR$2000 in my pocket and another US$2000 back in the room safe, no wonder the girls look at me as a walking ATM.

Bar Central is frequented almost solely by drunken, chain-smoking Germans with almost no Haitians. The Merengue Bar and Latino's is at least 75% Haitians.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1107759]If you have never visited in the heart of a barrio with a chica you ought to. She grew up there and was "embedded". Barrios are dense very socially complex places. Everybody is part of the show but as an outsider and a gringo you are quite entertaining. It's very easy to go home with chicas and see what it's like. My impression is that if you are with somebody who is connected to the place as their guest it's very safe. Nobody is anonymous there, somebody born a mile away but not from that barrio would stick out almost as much as a gringo. It would be possible to move in with a chica in a barrio and live with her but not to monger with other chicas you find there, a least without being very careful about it.[/QUOTE]Spot on, MA.

One of the perks of having a regular down there is that you can get very comfotable in the barrio.

First couple times you come in you will get the stares, but after a while they'll get used to you being there. I'm hooked into an extended family and they see the guys and the old folks giving me the big welcome (yeah, the plastic chairs, the beer from across the street, old ladies bringing me coffee) those stares turn into smiles and they stop by to say Hello, and check out whats going on. I pour them a plastic cup of beer from the grande Presidente I have in one hand, while holding the new baby in the other (there's ALWAYS a new baby)

Sunday they bring the music out and the plastic chairs and the girls dress up in their finest and strut their stuff (for the Dominicanos) and it's a party. The guys might bring their new girlfriend to join the group even tho the mother of their babies is sitting a few feet away, they seem cool with that. Fact of life down there. Interestingly, the guys always seem to have a relatively strong bond with the kids they have fathered, even if they are shacked up with a new chica.

I know there's some jealousy and passion beneath the surface with the chicas, but they do have a way to let it go and enjoy the moment.

I play pool with the brothers and the uncles. I drop unnanounced into the houses to say Hello, to the old folks and and I honestly feel at home there.

In fact I feel more happy at peace there than I do in my own home town. Definitely safer. I used to visit once during my week, but now I'm spending more time there during the day than I do in Sosua.

And as I'm drinking my beer with them in the shade, I'm looking over at my beautiful novia doing her family thing, and wondering how I got to be so lucky.

Highly recommended.

Hit Latinos at 10pm. More chicas working behind the bar than chicas sitting around. There are two sisters that work the bar at Latinos. Melina is now retired and married. All the other chicas had a "damn what happened look" on their faces. Hit Merengue and classicos at 12; 30 am. You could walk around without bumping into anyone. The place between Merengue and the street was empty. Saw more europeans dancing in Classicos, Sosua has lost its beat fellas. Its sad to see people dance so bad that they just step off beat. Also five guys sat next to me in Latinos and tried to strike up a conversation. All dominicanos with earrings and slight makeup. I wasnt having no convo because I was pissed Melina got married. Well one of these guys starts dancing looking like "Richard Simmons", doing unnatural male types of moves. Now my gaydar is up and these dudes are tricking I figure. Time to leave but my gaydar is up and it seems Sosua might be changing in ways we couldn't predict. No parking in front of Classicos. The open lot across from Domino bar where the guy grills chicken is wired off. El flow had 10 people sitting outside. Passions has fish tank bars and modern deco (bravo Peter). Dee from the beach is setup in the parking lot for some excellent BBQ. Sosua is very quiet during the day. No sounds of motoconchos racing everywhere. Many drunk Germans staggering down the street talking to themselves. Fantasy the new sex store has been closed for two days. Even saw a few muscle bound Russians sitting at the bars drinking water and watching everybody. Fellas try dees BBq wings in the parking lot of Passions, deeellliccciious.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1107874]At Mia headed to POP not many mongeres grouped up excited about their trip, saw three African Americans and they were going to Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]Haha, I almost forgot about the "scene" at the airport. Even when you begin to board the plane you could always guess with accuracy who the mongers were as you walk down the isle towards your seat. And we all give each other the "I know where you are going and what for" type of look and smirk toward one another, and then have your guess confirmed when you see their ass on the Pedro Clisante later that night, LOL.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1108154]Hit Latinos at 10pm. More chicas working behind the bar than chicas sitting around. There are two sisters that work the bar at Latinos. Melina is now retired and married. All the other chicas had a "damn what happened look" on their faces. Hit Merengue and classicos at 12; 30 am. You could walk around without bumping into anyone. The place between Merengue and the street was empty. Saw more europeans dancing in Classicos, Sosua has lost its beat fellas. Its sad to see people dance so bad that they just step off beat. Also five guys sat next to me in Latinos and tried to strike up a conversation. All dominicanos with earrings and slight makeup. I wasnt having no convo because I was pissed Melina got married. Well one of these guys starts dancing looking like "Richard Simmons", doing unnatural male types of moves. Now my gaydar is up and these dudes are tricking I figure. Time to leave but my gaydar is up and it seems Sosua might be changing in ways we couldn't predict. No parking in front of Classicos. The open lot across from Domino bar where the guy grills chicken is wired off. El flow had 10 people sitting outside. Passions has fish tank bars and modern deco (bravo Peter). Dee from the beach is setup in the parking lot for some excellent BBQ. Sosua is very quiet during the day. No sounds of motoconchos racing everywhere. Many drunk Germans staggering down the street talking to themselves. Fantasy the new sex store has been closed for two days. Even saw a few muscle bound Russians sitting at the bars drinking water and watching everybody. Fellas try dees BBq wings in the parking lot of Passions, deeellliccciious.[/QUOTE]I never could figure out why they permitted it?

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1108154]Hit Latinos at 10pm. More chicas working behind the bar than chicas sitting around. There are two sisters that work the bar at Latinos. Melina is now retired and married. All the other chicas had a "damn what happened look" on their faces. Hit Merengue and classicos at 12; 30 am. You could walk around without bumping into anyone. The place between Merengue and the street was empty. Saw more europeans dancing in Classicos, Sosua has lost its beat fellas. Its sad to see people dance so bad that they just step off beat. Also five guys sat next to me in Latinos and tried to strike up a conversation. All dominicanos with earrings and slight makeup. I wasnt having no convo because I was pissed Melina got married. Well one of these guys starts dancing looking like "Richard Simmons", doing unnatural male types of moves. Now my gaydar is up and these dudes are tricking I figure. Time to leave but my gaydar is up and it seems Sosua might be changing in ways we couldn't predict. No parking in front of Classicos. The open lot across from Domino bar where the guy grills chicken is wired off. El flow had 10 people sitting outside. Passions has fish tank bars and modern deco (bravo Peter). Dee from the beach is setup in the parking lot for some excellent BBQ. Sosua is very quiet during the day. No sounds of motoconchos racing everywhere. Many drunk Germans staggering down the street talking to themselves. Fantasy the new sex store has been closed for two days. Even saw a few muscle bound Russians sitting at the bars drinking water and watching everybody. Fellas try dees BBq wings in the parking lot of Passions, deeellliccciious.[/QUOTE]Sosua waving the rainbow flag. LOL

Are pills such as Viagara readily available? Is a perscription needed and how much for 100MG Viagara?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1106241]Performance is great! What's great is I don't get the headaches or flushing sometime associated with taking the pill alone. Also, something about Hennessy just makes you feel like you don't have a care in the world and can tackle any challenge, including my record 6 chicas in one day (one at be-fast, one after lunch, one before dinner, one before going out to Classico's and two together after leaving).a very full day. At some point I have to take a day to drink nothing but water. Usually that's a non-fucking day (BJs only.) , which can be hard for the sportfucker like me![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1108165]Haha, I almost forgot about the "scene" at the airport. Even when you begin to board the plane you could always guess with accuracy who the mongers were as you walk down the isle towards your seat. And we all give each other the "I know where you are going and what for" type of look and smirk toward one another, and then have your guess confirmed when you see their ass on the Pedro Clisante later that night, LOL.[/QUOTE]That's one of the reasons I never made it to Bangkok.

I envisioned 200 guys who look like me sitting on a plane for 15 hours, while the crew are handing out newspapers with headlines about the latest crackdown on pervs in Pattaya, and disgusted mothers keeping a close hold on their children.

[QUOTE=Sweeper239; 1108205]Are pills such as Viagara readily available? Is a perscription needed and how much for 100MG Viagara?

Thanks. [/QUOTE]Give the Lapela a once over. Copied and paste from DR1 credit goes to original poster!

"Move over Viagra, and hello lapela.
Funy when I used to go to NY the requests were to bring a bottle of rum, dulce de leche con coco or some other dominican product that is not sold in parts of usa. Now that I have given out a few samples of La pela to my friends (on my last trip), seems like all the requests are for this same product. La pela is the generic version of cialis but more tougher (I think). This pill (20mg), makes you feel like a 16 yr old boy for up to 5 days. many women have compared their men to the energizer buddy.
I have gotten so much request to bring this pill that I hope I will not get busted in JFK customs for trafficking drugs without prescription. There is no prescription for these types of pills in Dom rep. I offered my cousin some viagra pill that were given to me by a friend, he turned them down, mind you, he was paying 10 dollars / pill in USA. Everyone wants la pela. I got a call last night from another friend who read my post about my NYC trip, he too wants a bunch of pills. Even my 67 yrs old uncle placed an order from england.
I hope the damn hoomies will pay me or at least take me out for dinner.
On my last trip, I used la pela as currency. Ex: it cost me 2 la pela pills to have me taken to airport (atl) from marrietta (50 mins drive). Then it cost me 4 la pelas for a buddy pass to atl from sti. I guess another few la pelas will be enough to take me to a nice portuguese restaurant to eat a healthy sized steak. I guess I don't even have to change pesos for dollars, I will simply take along a bunch of la pelas and spend a few good days in NYC and atlanta.
AZB"

Based on the resent testimonials of out disenchanted mongering brothers, I thought this youtube video could be used to illustrate how Sosua could possibly look. Albiet this is a video intended to seduce viewers to come to Sosua, ironically the inverse is now occurring. I'm happy I saw the last of the old Sosua while I was there.

Peace,

BBL

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=JaFdd7qylp0[/url]

[QUOTE=Chief Justice;1108203]Sosua waving the rainbow flag. LOL[/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO, I don't think Sosua will get that bad. Let's hope NOT. Always remember Mr. Gogo was the first to report the possible transistion. LOL

Thanks for the info. Never heard of these before. Certainly sounds like they are well worth checking out. How much do these cost and how much do the 100 Mg V's cost?

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver; 1108562]Give the Lapela a once over. Copied and paste from DR1 credit goes to original poster!

"Move over Viagra, and Hello, lapela.

Funy when I used to go to NY the requests were to bring a bottle of rum, dulce de leche con coco or some other dominican product that is not sold in parts of USA. Now that I have given out a few samples of La pela to my friends (on my last trip) , seems like all the requests are for this same product. La pela is the generic version of cialis but more tougher (I think). This pill (20mg) , makes you feel like a 16 yr old boy for up to 5 days. Many women have compared their men to the energizer buddy.

I have gotten so much request to bring this pill that I hope I will not get busted in JFK customs for trafficking drugs without prescription. There is no prescription for these types of pills in Dom rep. I offered my cousin some viagra pill that were given to me by a friend, he turned them down, mind you, he was paying 10 dollars / pill in USA. Everyone wants la pela. I got a call last night from another friend who read my post about my NYC trip, he too wants a bunch of pills. Even my 67 yrs old uncle placed an order from england.

I hope the damn hoomies will pay me or at least take me out for dinner.

On my last trip, I used la pela as currency. Ex: it cost me 2 la pela pills to have me taken to airport (atl) from marrietta (50 mins drive). Then it cost me 4 la pelas for a buddy pass to atl from sti. I guess another few la pelas will be enough to take me to a nice portuguese restaurant to eat a healthy sized steak. I guess I don't even have to change pesos for dollars, I will simply take along a bunch of la pelas and spend a few good days in NYC and atlanta.

AZB"[/QUOTE]

Thanks to all who responded with info on workout facilities and chica temporary accommodations! The info will definitely be put to the test on my next trip.

I had the experience of going back to the barrio with a couple of different chicas. The first was a former Blackbeard's waitress, Ariella. When I drove her home, it was like I was entering a wasteland. Dogs were on the rooves and would come to the edge and start barking as the car went by, packs of dogs roamed the streets, some of the structures looked like they had been bombed in a war zone, the roads were horrible (think the holes on the way to Blackbeard's times 10! Thing is, she was the sweetest, quietest, well kept girl you ever want to meet. You'd never think.

The other chica I was introduced to by a friend. I think she is, basically a pimp. She knows alot of working girls and sets them up with guys on the beach in Sosua that are looking for fun. I called her to bring some girls for my friends, but, I ended up liking her the best. She (claimed) she wasn't a pro, but I talked her into riding back to my place from the beach, and. Now, you know DAMN well what happened next! Neat thing is, I guess she wasn't a pro cause she didn't ask for money. By the end of it all, I kinda felt that she might not be so I didn't insult her by offering money or asking a price right after. I drove her home to Sosua by the Sea (I think is the name) or el Batey. She brought out her 7 year old daughter. Gorgeous kid. And invited me in, but, I declined. I guess I always worry about something happening to the car if I go into one of these places. I think I slipped her 1, 000RD for "clothes for her daughter". I'm such the benevolent!

I even brought home the infamous Ybel from Blackbeards, who was staying in a small hotel in Puerto Plata. She invited me up as well and offered to let me spend the night. I declined again because of the car issue, plus her kid was there which would have put a damper on any activities that I would have been interested in.

Damn, I love chicas!

Rodeo

walked the beach at 3pm for some intel on what happens there mondays. half of the lounge chairs by the water were full (on a monday) , mostly europeans. stopped by my favorite hangout to get a dominican perspective (chief our boy k).

he said there were germans, swiss, and canadians. he stated that the germans don't like to spend money or leave tips (rubbing his elbow while talking). the italians and french spend money on good food. and mostly older germans were buying pussy, the young germans were into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url] and hanging out during the day. he said he hadn't seen any russians. he said everyone misses the free spending americans including the girls. he said he expects it to get better after the holidays.

still some p4p at the beach but its more discreet. alot of the massage and nail girls trick. what you have to do is get their number or arrange a time to meet at your hotel for a massage (wink). the rate starts at 800p-1ooop for massage with other items negoitiated. alot of these girls don't want everyone on the beach to know they are tricking.

meet three russians at a bar i frequent. these dudes were big and solid. spoke basically no spanish or english but were nice guys. i'm not tiny (6 feet. 200p) but these guys were 6; 4 and 250 pounds easy. my dominican hermano (the security guy) i hang with saw me conversating with these dudes and came over but didn't say anything. i took this as a sign from him to exit. as i stood up to shake the three russian guy hand they stood up and shook my hand but first positioned themselves like military guy do when shaking someones hand in uniform. these guys most likely had some military background. i never asked my dominican friend about these guys because i didn't want to know.

hit dees bbq ouside of passions. hand the four ribs and fries with a bottled water for 300pesos ddeelllicious. while i'm eating a female dike, two girls, one black on white and a dude (americano) walk up and order. talking about diversity in sosua thats it.

alot of people feel thing will pickup at superbowl time, so i guess thats the next big barometer to watch for. trying to debate if i'm going out tonight or just watch some tv in the room and kill a couple beers. when your used to the excitment of past years (the music, the noise, the girls everywhere) going out to empty bars, quietness, and empty streets is just fucked up. but in closing as i leave to fly out later today i will say that there is still pussy in sosua. its still affordable and gfe are to be had. but its not a mongerers paradise because the menu has been changed and there are no special on the menu for us.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1108731]I stood up to shake the three Russian guys hands. They stood up and shook my hand but first positioned themselves like military guy do when shaking someones hand in uniform. These guys most likely had some military background.[/QUOTE]Of course they did. All Russian men do national service in the Army.

But that may not explain the "formal" handshake. That is common throughout Northern and Eastern Europe.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1108771]Of course they did. All Russian men do national service in the Army.

But that may not explain the "formal" handshake. That is common throughout Northern and Eastern Europe. [/QUOTE]Thanks Sir Charles, but out of curiosity do all Communist Countries have mandatory military? Cuba? China? I've always felt it should be a requirement in America but I'm ex military so I'm biased.

[QUOTE=Sweeper239;1108617]Thanks for the info. Never heard of these before. Certainly sounds like they are well worth checking out. How much do these cost and how much do the 100 Mg V's cost?[/QUOTE]The 20 mg LaPela cost 50 DOP or about 1. 38 USD and can be purchased in every pharmacy I have been in in the DR. You can also get Viagra and Cialis with out prescription. LaPela has the same active ingredient Tadalafil as Cialis. At about ten times less money.

Have never tried Viagra or Cialis but LaPela worked for me.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1108154]Hit Latinos at 10pm. More chicas working behind the bar than chicas sitting around. There are two sisters that work the bar at Latinos. Melina is now retired and married. All the other chicas had a "damn what happened look" on their faces. Hit Merengue and classicos at 12; 30 am. You could walk around without bumping into anyone. The place between Merengue and the street was empty. Saw more europeans dancing in Classicos, Sosua has lost its beat fellas. Its sad to see people dance so bad that they just step off beat. Also five guys sat next to me in Latinos and tried to strike up a conversation. All dominicanos with earrings and slight makeup. I wasnt having no convo because I was pissed Melina got married. Well one of these guys starts dancing looking like "Richard Simmons", doing unnatural male types of moves. Now my gaydar is up and these dudes are tricking I figure. Time to leave but my gaydar is up and it seems Sosua might be changing in ways we couldn't predict. No parking in front of Classicos. The open lot across from Domino bar where the guy grills chicken is wired off. El flow had 10 people sitting outside. Passions has fish tank bars and modern deco (bravo Peter). Dee from the beach is setup in the parking lot for some excellent BBQ. Sosua is very quiet during the day. No sounds of motoconchos racing everywhere. Many drunk Germans staggering down the street talking to themselves. Fantasy the new sex store has been closed for two days. Even saw a few muscle bound Russians sitting at the bars drinking water and watching everybody. Fellas try dees BBq wings in the parking lot of Passions, deeellliccciious.[/QUOTE]Very Disapointing! Since I'm on my way there in under 2 weeks! You're telling me this was a Sat. Nite? What a Bummer!

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1108806]Thanks Sir Charles, but out of curiosity do all Communist Countries have mandatory military? Cuba? China? I've always felt it should be a requirement in America but I'm ex military so I'm biased.[/QUOTE]Italy has mandatory military service.

[QUOTE=Bogiemaker; 1108813]The 20 mg LaPela cost 50 DOP or about 1. 38 USD and can be purchased in every pharmacy I have been in in the DR. You can also get Viagra and Cialis with out prescription. LaPela has the same active ingredient Tadalafil as Cialis. At about ten times less money.

Have never tried Viagra or Cialis but LaPela worked for me.[/QUOTE]LaPela advertisements are very funny: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vv-EDTnM_g[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZ328-0fHA&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyl0n5bpQI&feature=related[/url]

I like the 36 hour Cialis for about 380 pesos ($10US). There is another generic cialis type pill made in DR (not LaPela) it has a different name.

I had the experience of going back to the barrio with a couple of different chicas. The first was a former Blackbeard's waitress, Ariella. When I drove her home, it was like I was entering a wasteland. Dogs were on the rooves and would come to the edge and start barking as the car went by, packs of dogs roamed the streets, some of the structures looked like they had been bombed in a war zone, the roads were horrible (think the holes on the way to Blackbeard's times 10! Thing is, she was the sweetest, quietest, well kept girl you ever want to meet. You'd never think.

There are two waitress's at BB that I would die for. Are they available on a regular basis or do you have to wine & dine them to have any success

[QUOTE=Mattco;1108829]Very Disapointing! Since I'm on my way there in under 2 weeks! You're telling me this was a Sat. Nite? What a Bummer![/QUOTE]This Saturday night happened to be New Years Day. But Mr. Gogo did mention that the folks he talked to there expect things to pick up a little now that the holidays are over and Super Bowl is coming up.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1108974]This Saturday night happened to be New Years Day. But Mr. Gogo did mention that the folks he talked to there expect things to pick up a little now that the holidays are over and Super Bowl is coming up.[/QUOTE]I think that had something to do with the lack of chicas. Even putas like to talke the holidays off from work.

[quote=mr gogo; 1108731]walked the beach at 3pm for some intel on what happens there mondays. half of the lounge chairs by the water were full (on a monday) , mostly europeans. stopped by my favorite hangout to get a dominican perspective (chief our boy k).

he said there were germans, swiss, and canadians. he stated that the germans don't like to spend money or leave tips (rubbing his elbow while talking). the italians and french spend money on good food. and mostly older germans were buying pussy, the young germans were into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url] and hanging out during the day. he said he hadn't seen any russians. he said everyone misses the free spending americans including the girls. he said he expects it to get better after the holidays.

still some p4p at the beach but its more discreet. alot of the massage and nail girls trick. what you have to do is get their number or arrange a time to meet at your hotel for a massage (wink). the rate starts at 800p-1ooop for massage with other items negoitiated. alot of these girls don't want everyone on the beach to know they are tricking.

meet three russians at a bar i frequent. these dudes were big and solid. spoke basically no spanish or english but were nice guys. i'm not tiny (6 feet. 200p) but these guys were 6; 4 and 250 pounds easy. my dominican hermano (the security guy) i hang with saw me conversating with these dudes and came over but didn't say anything. i took this as a sign from him to exit. as i stood up to shake the three russian guy hand they stood up and shook my hand but first positioned themselves like military guy do when shaking someones hand in uniform. these guys most likely had some military background. i never asked my dominican friend about these guys because i didn't want to know.

hit dees bbq ouside of passions. hand the four ribs and fries with a bottled water for 300pesos ddeelllicious. while i'm eating a female dike, two girls, one black on white and a dude (americano) walk up and order. talking about diversity in sosua thats it.

alot of people feel thing will pickup at superbowl time, so i guess thats the next big barometer to watch for. trying to debate if i'm going out tonight or just watch some tv in the room and kill a couple beers. when your used to the excitment of past years (the music, the noise, the girls everywhere) going out to empty bars, quietness, and empty streets is just fucked up. but in closing as i leave to fly out later today i will say that there is still pussy in sosua. its still affordable and gfe are to be had. but its not a mongerers paradise because the menu has been changed and there are no special on the menu for us. [/quote]mr. gogo i think the timing of your trip had more to do with the lack of girls than anything else. you could not pick a worse time to be there, the week after christmas is one of the slowest mongering weeks if not the slowest week of the year anywhere in la. that being said, most places i have been to during that week still had girls around just not as many. i will be in sosua next week and we'll see how it is.

At POP airpot now. Airberlin had three long lines with 50 people in each waiting for a return flight. The Germans are here. Also the Canadian lines had a steady flow.

Mani I think your right about my timing. Well see what happens upon your arrival. Tomas Scott has a direct flight from POP to Jamaica now.

Went to After one my last night in Sosua. Mostly leftovers and people who just want to party. Nice place though had no problems with security and drinks were priced fairly.

Just called for boarding Southbeach and club "Cameo" here I come.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa;

I like the 36 hour Cialis for about 380 pesos ($10US). There is another generic cialis type pill made in DR (not LaPela) it has a different name. [/QUOTE]It's called Elevex and I like the price 50P per pill and result.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1108877]LaPela advertisements are very funny:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vv-EDTnM_g[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZ328-0fHA&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyl0n5bpQI&feature=related[/url]

[/QUOTE]LaPela changed their packaging several months ago. This is the new look.

[url]http://youtu.be/lWpDe5CDV-A[/url]

In Santo Domingo you can buy LaPela at most colmados, sometimes at a very small markup.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1108877]LaPela advertisements are very funny:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vv-EDTnM_g[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZ328-0fHA&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyl0n5bpQI&feature=related[/url]

[/QUOTE]Here is one more. This guy could just be me a few years down the road. Jejejejeje.

[url]http://youtu.be/YkY1EQLA1OM[/url]

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1109132]LaPela changed their packaging several months ago. This is the new look.

[url]http://youtu.be/lWpDe5CDV-A[/url]

In Santo Domingo you can buy LaPela at most colmados, sometimes at a very small markup.[/QUOTE]Que Moderno, que chulo, chevere, jajaja or hahaha

Do you have any contact info for her / With the current state of affairs perhaps a point person might be helpful.

The other chica I was introduced to by a friend. I think she is, basically a pimp. She knows alot of working girls and sets them up with guys on the beach in Sosua that are looking for fun. I called her to bring some girls for my friends, but, I ended up liking her the best. She (claimed) she wasn't a pro, but I talked her into riding back to my place from the beach, and. Now, you know DAMN well what happened next! Neat thing is, I guess she wasn't a pro cause she didn't ask for money. By the end of it all, I kinda felt that she might not be so I didn't insult her by offering money or asking a price right after. I drove her home to Sosua by the Sea (I think is the name) or el Batey. She brought out her 7 year old daughter. Gorgeous kid. And invited me in, but, I declined. I guess I always worry about something happening to the car if I go into one of these places. I think I slipped her 1, 000RD for "clothes for her daughter". I'm such the benevolent!

Warn your friends.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1109346]Warn your friends.[/QUOTE]I just made a round trip through Sosua Abayo. Police had rounded up 30 Haitians and were waiting to truck them to jail.

They tried to stop my car, but I ignored them and just passed by!

[QUOTE=Sidney; 1109365]I just made a round trip through Sosua Abayo. Police had rounded up 30 Haitians and were waiting to truck them to jail.

They tried to stop my car, but I ignored them and just passed by! [/QUOTE]This is NOT just a Sosua thing.

[url]http://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/1/4/38172/Dominican-official-says-Haitian-repatriations-start-in-48-hours[/url]

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs; 1109421]This is NOT just a Sosua thing.

[url]http://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/1/4/38172/Dominican-official-says-Haitian-repatriations-start-in-48-hours[/url]

[/QUOTE]Sad. Most of them on the back of that truck know that there ain't shit waiting for them over in Haiti.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1109433]Sad. Most of them on the back of that truck know that there ain't shit waiting for them over in Haiti.[/QUOTE]Also sad is that most of the money donated to Haiti will be lost to greed, corruption and over priced contractors.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1109433]Sad. Most of them on the back of that truck know that there ain't shit waiting for them over in Haiti.[/QUOTE]Street justice, don't try to rob a banca in DR: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn418VUemSk[/url]

I'm in Sosua now. What an experience. This is my first time in the DR. My only other mongering trip was to Amsterdam. Not the same. This was a hell of a fun day. I learned a few hard lessons, but all in all I am drained enough where I don't care.

Chica #1: This was something I had been advised against doing, but I decided to try anyway. This Hatiana was attempting to get me to buy a massage. I ended up giving her 700RDP for the worst BBBJ and CFS I think I have ever had. She had a KNOCKOUT spinner body though. I will give her that.

Chica #2: As I was returning from this little adventure, my plan was to return to the room to clean up a little. I am staying at NG on the night in question. I run into Rochelle on my way up the stairs. Nips that stand up in practically unnatural ways by the way. This is where another lesson was learned. She told me that she would do it for whatever I wanted to give her. Then when I offer her 1000RDP for ST+go away (It was a good enthusiastic bangin' I won't dispute that. She demands 2k and refuses to leave. Finally I offered her coins, literally pocket change, and she goes away. The funny thing about it was we were both chuckling a little, me because I realized all you folks were totally right about hustler chicas as well as NG chicas in general.

ChicA#3: I took the costly plunge and tried La Passion. Those girls were SIGNIFICANTLY better looking than most of what I saw walking around this evening. It comes at a premium, but what are ya going to do? In any case she was a 21yo whose name I forgot with a spinner body, light mocha skin, and some SERIOUS enthusiasm. I have no regrets of that one.

Chica 4: This was the best of the day, though not the most attractive. I walked into CMP. Skeptical after reading what I have on this forum, but curious no less. This beautiful freckled thing named Gabby came up to me and wouldn't leave me alone. She had an english speaking friend failing miserably at helping her run the con. When I told him I was going to pay for my beers and leave after he started messing around about money. He changed his tune rather quickly. He knocked 2kpesos off of his asking price and bought me a shot trying to coax me into taking her back, seeing as I had made it clear that I wanted a different girl. She was so sweet and trying so hard though that I'm glad that I took her back to NG. It was the best Jaccuzi session I have had period. This girl was seriously into what she was doing. I managed to get rid of her paying less than planned too. I really wanted to sleep alone, so I was glad when she pulled the BS story about the amiga loca watching her kid. It knocked another good little bit off that awful CMP salida. In the end I got a few hours with her and 3 pops for just under 2k (I'm getting good at faking digging for pocket change). Seemed fair for an overpriced club girl. '

I am still nervous about attempting anything with non-pros or semi pros. I like the success stories I hear, but I have discovered my Spanish, while operatively functional, lacks the completeness that my English holds. Since I am a word fiend anyway, this makes Spanish a slow way to communicate. In any case though, my skills are improving down there.

WOWOOWO Son of a at.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1109458]Street justice, don't try to rob a banca in DR:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn418VUemSk[/url][/QUOTE]

Early morning, Wednesday 5 January, the National Police assisted by the Air Force military arrested dozens of illegal Haitians living in Sosúa.

The soldiers had set up checkpoints in Sosúa Abajo and El Batey next to the Texaco gas station. Here are all passing Haitians were checked for a valid visa. A visa for one year costs 200 USA dollars. Many Haitians, on their way to work on construction sites, or as a shoe, cloth or fruit vendor have been arrested. In the afternoon they were transported in buses to Dajabóand, where they were expelled to Haiti. It was a nationwide organized action against the illegal Haitians. Also for example, in Santiago and Santo Domingo on Wednesday morning, hundreds of Haitians living illegally in the country were arrested and expelled to Haiti.

[QUOTE=Monger1337; 1110487]I'm in Sosua now. What an experience. This is my first time in the DR. My only other mongering trip was to Amsterdam. Not the same. This was a hell of a fun day. I learned a few hard lessons, but all in all I am drained enough where I don't care.

I managed to get rid of her paying less than planned too. I really wanted to sleep alone, so I was glad when she pulled the BS story about the amiga loca watching her kid. It knocked another good little bit off that awful CMP salida. In the end I got a few hours with her and 3 pops for just under 2k (I'm getting good at faking digging for pocket change). Seemed fair for an overpriced club girl. '

I am still nervous about attempting anything with non-pros or semi pros. I like the success stories I hear, but I have discovered my Spanish, while operatively functional, lacks the completeness that my English holds. Since I am a word fiend anyway, this makes Spanish a slow way to communicate. In any case though, my skills are improving down there. [/QUOTE]Sounds like you are doing good for yourself down there. Keep up the good mongering. Don't be scared to get on the non pros and semi pros. You only live once. And the worse thing that could happen is that they could tell you no. Besides it is a great opportunity to practice your Spanish. None of us non-mother tongue Spanish speakers woke up one day and started speaking perfect Spanish. It all came word by word and day by day, just like babies learn. I still receive the Spanish word of the day through email that someone on the thread recommended a while back.

[QUOTE=Monger1337;1110487]I'm in Sosua now. What an experience. This is my first time in the DR. . .. I learned a few hard lessons, but all in all I am drained enough where I don't care.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your post, it made my mouth water. LOL! What does CMP stand for? What is the current exchange rate to the USD? Would be great if you had some photos to share also.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1110592]Early morning, Wednesday 5 January, the National Police assisted by the Air Force military arrested dozens of illegal Haitians living in Sosúa.

The soldiers had set up checkpoints in Sosúa Abajo and El Batey next to the Texaco gas station. Here are all passing Haitians were checked for a valid visa. A visa for one year costs 200 USA dollars. Many Haitians, on their way to work on construction sites, or as a shoe, cloth or fruit vendor have been arrested. In the afternoon they were transported in buses to Dajabóand, where they were expelled to Haiti. It was a nationwide organized action against the illegal Haitians. Also for example, in Santiago and Santo Domingo on Wednesday morning, hundreds of Haitians living illegally in the country were arrested and expelled to Haiti. [/QUOTE]Now imagine if we enacted something like this on the border states in the US. We'd all be branded as "racist" no doubt. Even the United Nations would be foaming at the mouth about "human rights violations" and such. I guess the darker the skin the less people care. We have a rampant illegal alien problem here on the home turf, but the folks in charge just yawn when asked to do something about it.

Something tells me that if we shared a border with Africa or Haiti then we'd see the same type of "round up" going on here.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1110614]What does CMP stand for? [/QUOTE]Caribbean Man Paradise. I also really enjoyed this place!

BB's today! Things are damn good so far. I like BB's especailly after the cuture shock of my first night in sosua! I needed a minute to adjust to that insanity and BB's did just that. I love this place. I just had ST with two absolutely AMAZING chicas. A good while in the Jacuzzi time with BBBJ followed by some more ST in the room. Karen why Ana. I have pics, but honestly I am not sober enough to coordinate posting them. Later gentlemen. Later. I've made some delightful acquaintances here of folks who speak English. I think I made the best choice for an inexperienced international monger. I dipped my toes into Sosua last night. Now I'm taking it easy at BB's and still working on my Spanish a little while being a little more relaxed about watching my back. Thank you all for all you have posted on this board. It has made me educated enough to design a vacation tailored to my specific needs. With 3 years of college Spanish and minimal operative experience, this has been a perfect way to practice Spanish and relieve any stress real or imagined I may have had. I think life itself has hit perfection in my world. Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Koki9290;1109122]It's called Elevex and I like the price 50P per pill and result.[/QUOTE]Hello,

I noticed that some of you guys are taking vigara or celias to get a hard on.

Perhaps it might be a good idea to consult your doctors first.

I have heard that these drugs increase blood pressure, and has other side effects. For some men who are in their 50 or 60 or even 70's or even someone with history of heart condition, strokes, might not want to increase their blood pressures.

I was in Thailand a few years ago. Watching the local Thai news. That month it was reported in Bangkok, their police found 10 German male tourists died of heart related conditions in their hotel rooms after taking vigara and trying to get together with local girls.

This would be a terrible way to die, in a foreign country.

Perhaps there are other ways to get hard. Maybe hire a local girl that will give you a long time blow jobs.

[QUOTE=Vincelee76; 1110813]Hello,

I noticed that some of you guys are taking vigara or celias to get a hard on.

Perhaps it might be a good idea to consult your doctors first.

I have heard that these drugs increase blood pressure, and has other side effects. For some men who are in their 50 or 60 or even 70's or even someone with history of heart condition, strokes, might not want to increase their blood pressures.

I was in Thailand a few years ago. Watching the local Thai news. That month it was reported in Bangkok, their police found 10 German male tourists died of heart related conditions in their hotel rooms after taking vigara and trying to get together with local girls.

This would be a terrible way to die, in a foreign country.

Perhaps there are other ways to get hard. Maybe hire a local girl that will give you a long time blow jobs. [/QUOTE]A terrible way to die? Fuck, I can't think of a BETTER way to die and I can only hope it is the way I die. IMO, too many men die in nursing homes or just wither away in a rocking chair somewhere. When my time is up I hope I am balls deep in some hot babe's pussy, I know I will die in a foreign country as I plan to move to Colombia soon.

[QUOTE=Vincelee76; 1110813]...I was in Thailand a few years ago. Watching the local Thai news. That month it was reported in Bangkok, their police found 10 German male tourists died of heart related conditions in their hotel rooms after taking vigara and trying to get together with local girls.

This would be a terrible way to die, in a foreign country. [/QUOTE]Having a heart attack while banging some teenage Thai pussy is a terrible way to die??? Dude, I think you're on the wrong board.

-Helpmann :)

[quote=helpmann; 1110926]having a heart attack while banging some teenage thai pussy is a terrible way to die? dude, i think you're on the wrong board.

-helpmann. [/quote]lmao, funniest thing i ever saw was in times square in nyc one time. some guy was in the peep show booth beating his meat and had a heart attack and died. i over heard the cops trying to decide how they will explain this to the guys wife.

[QUOTE=Vincelee76; 1110813]Hello,

I noticed that some of you guys are taking vigara or celias to get a hard on.

Perhaps it might be a good idea to consult your doctors first.

I have heard that these drugs increase blood pressure, and has other side effects. For some men who are in their 50 or 60 or even 70's or even someone with history of heart condition, strokes, might not want to increase their blood pressures.

I was in Thailand a few years ago. Watching the local Thai news. That month it was reported in Bangkok, their police found 10 German male tourists died of heart related conditions in their hotel rooms after taking vigara and trying to get together with local girls.

This would be a terrible way to die, in a foreign country.

Perhaps there are other ways to get hard. Maybe hire a local girl that will give you a long time blow jobs. [/QUOTE]Actually the these drugs do the opposite, causing vasodilation and were originally studied for reducing hypertension, but in the drug trials they noticed the effect producing stronger erections and switched to marketing them for this side effect.

Heart attacks occur rather like they do with guys shoveling snow, because it's an occasion for unusual exertion that they may not have engaged in otherwise for a long time.

[QUOTE=Vincelee76; 1110813]Hello,

I noticed that some of you guys are taking vigara or celias to get a hard on.

Perhaps it might be a good idea to consult your doctors first. [/QUOTE]Vincelee,

Since you are specifically frequenting a website for prostitution, and I am sure engaging in casual sex with prostitutes, I would like to encourage you to see a doctor first for advice on how to have safe sex.

Everyone here is very worried about you so please tell us you have done this.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1110950]Actually the these drugs do the opposite, causing vasodilation and were originally studied for reducing hypertension, but in the drug trials they noticed the effect producing stronger erections and switched to marketing them for this side effect.

Heart attacks occur rather like they do with guys shoveling snow, because it's an occasion for unusual exertion that they may not have engaged in otherwise for a long time.[/QUOTE]Fucking for three hours straight or more because the penis stays hard after several orgasms (result of ED drugs) , might be the exertion on the heart that causes the heart attack. Coming and going at the same time, going out with a bang. Better than dying in some hospital with a thousand tubes stuck in you.

Guys,

I need to know where to go to watch the football games in Sosua this weekend.

Last time I went to Rocky's because they have the big screen there but the picture quality sucked and the owner / manager wanted to watch Canadian football and we had to watch the NFL games on the little TV in the restaurant area. I'm looking for a place that has multiple flat screen TV's etc.

I guess I should know the answer to this question seeing as I have been to Sosua a handful of times but TV is usually the farthest thing from my mind, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1110950]Actually the these drugs do the opposite, causing vasodilation and were originally studied for reducing hypertension, but in the drug trials they noticed the effect producing stronger erections and switched to marketing them for this side effect.

Heart attacks occur rather like they do with guys shoveling snow, because it's an occasion for unusual exertion that they may not have engaged in otherwise for a long time. [/QUOTE]Very true Marc Anthony. I know doctors that monger in both Rio and DR who said what you stated here.

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1111054]Guys,

I need to know where to go to watch the football games in Sosua this weekend.

Last time I went to Rocky's because they have the big screen there but the picture quality sucked and the owner / manager wanted to watch Canadian football and we had to watch the NFL games on the little TV in the restaurant area. I'm looking for a place that has multiple flat screen TV's etc.

I guess I should know the answer to this question seeing as I have been to Sosua a handful of times but TV is usually the farthest thing from my mind, hahaha. [/QUOTE]Try The Shark Bar on Pedro Cal. It is owned by an american named Louie.

Is there a monger map for Sosua or Puerta Plata?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Beaverhunter;1111084]Try The Shark Bar on Pedro Cal. It is owned by an american named Louie.[/QUOTE]Rocky's has an exellent big screen.

[QUOTE=Jfregedie; 1111121]Is there a monger map for Sosua or Puerta Plata?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Here is the one I have for Sosua. Points out some key places.

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[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1111054]Guys,

I need to know where to go to watch the football games in Sosua this weekend.

Last time I went to Rocky's because they have the big screen there but the picture quality sucked and the owner / manager wanted to watch Canadian football and we had to watch the NFL games on the little TV in the restaurant area. I'm looking for a place that has multiple flat screen TV's etc.

I guess I should know the answer to this question seeing as I have been to Sosua a handful of times but TV is usually the farthest thing from my mind, hahaha.[/QUOTE]I've watched NFL action at the open-aired sports bar across from Classicos. He has a couple of flatscreens up, don't think they are HD but good spot. Friendly owner and can look at the action during commercials. I'll be there Sat. GO PAT'S!

This has happened in the last few days.

[quote=sidney;1111822]

[b]huge reduction of haitianas in the clubs![/b]

this has happened in the last few days.[/quote]they are all going to join the party over in haiti (some of them not by choice mind you) :

[b]haiti earthquake one year on: the squalid tent cities where [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] gangs and disease run rife[/b]

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346195/haiti-earthquake-year-dead-remembered-millions.html[/url]

just would like to add that it is no ones fault but haiti's that their country is still fucked up.

[quote=savepros321; 1111826]they are all going to join the party over in haiti (some of them not by choice mind you) :

[b]haiti earthquake one year on: the squalid tent cities where [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] gangs and disease run rife[/b]

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346195/haiti-earthquake-year-dead-remembered-millions.html[/url]

just would like to add that it is no ones fault but haiti's that their country is still fucked up. [/quote]your ignorance shows. haiti has been singled out and punished for being the first and only successful slave revolt in history and haiti gained her freedom in 1804. economic sanctions levied by the us slave owning government, crippling reparations forced by france on haiti (which were not paid up until 1947) and constant meddling by the us, france and canada which culminated in the kidnapping of the president of haiti in 2004 by us forces have all left haiti devastated. the earthquake was a particularly devastating blow. thus, before you make asinine comments, please read up about things before you write about them. if you did read about the history of haiti, you would clearly see that it was not their fault that the country is, as you so eloquently put it, still fucked up.

As they say in AM radio talk shows, long time listener first time caller. I've been lurking on the us forum since I discovered it a year ago. Mostly to get info on the AMPs in the bay area, mostly SF where I live near. I just recently noticed the tab for ISG. Didn't post any reports, except for one, on the US forum because of the legality of the scrunched discussed, but that doesn't apply to most areas talked about on ISG.

I just want to thank all the members that have contributed valid and useful info to this forum. It is because of why'all that just after one night of going through some reports (got up to page 80 the first time) that I hoped on the computer and booked a trip to DR. Going to be there March 31 thru April 4 and staying at NG.

I don't really have any questions now because why'all have really covered all the things a noob needs to know his first trip. I'm first generation born in the US (both parents from Mexico). So my Spanish should get me thru, even tho I should know more. I use to be fluent in Spanish until I entered the US education system where I lost most of it.

I just got a paid membership to this forum because I was interested in looking at the pics, so those have posted, thanks. I will post reports on my experiences and some pics. I know most noobs say that and never do. In the career I am in, one of the core values is Integrity First. So if I say I'm going to do something I will.

Look forward to my trip and to contribute to this forum. Hope to gain some of yalls trust so I could get some info possibly numbers on non-pros cause that seems to be the best experience in DR from what I have read. Have checked out Dominican Cupid. Really interested in those non-pro experiences but don't want to take the chance of striking out with one consider this is my first trip and will be there for less than I week.

So again, Gracias!

On my last post, if some words seem out of place or don't make sense it's because I typed it on my smartphone. Damn "word suggestion" feature and didn't proof read it.

[QUOTE=Iceman210;1111843]On my last post, if some words seem out of place or don't make sense it's because I typed it on my smartphone. Damn "word suggestion" feature and didn't proof read it.[/QUOTE]My smart phone is slowly learning Spanish.

I have most likely read some of your posts on the SF AMP scene. I get there about once a year and like to catch before making the trip. Hope you have a good time in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1111836]Your ignorance shows. Haiti has been singled out and punished for being the first and only successful slave revolt in history and Haiti gained her freedom in 1804. Economic sanctions levied by the US slave owning government, crippling reparations forced by France on Haiti (which were not paid up until 1947) and constant meddling by the US, France and Canada which culminated in the kidnapping of the president of Haiti in 2004 by US forces have all left Haiti devastated. The earthquake was a particularly devastating blow. Thus, before you make asinine comments, please read up about things before you write about them. If you did read about the history of Haiti, you would clearly see that it was not their fault that the country is, as you so eloquently put it, still fucked up.[/QUOTE]An article from the book Collapse by Jared Diamond, [url]http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?storyid=4776.[/url]

An excerpt:

[quote]Why did the political, economic and ecological histories of these two countries — the Dominican Republic and Haiti — sharing the same island unfold so differently? Part of the answer involves environmental differences.

The island of Hispaniola's rains come mainly from the east. Hence the Dominican (eastern) part of the island receives more rain and thus supports higher rates of plant growth.

Hispaniola's highest mountains (over 10, 000 feet high) are on the Dominican side, and the rivers from those high mountains mainly flow eastwards into the Dominican side.

The Dominican side has broad valleys, plains and plateaus and much thicker soils. In particular, the Cibao Valley in the north is one of the richest agricultural areas in the world.

In contrast, the Haitian side is drier because of that barrier of high mountains blocking rains from the east.

Compared to the Dominican Republic, the area of flat land good for intensive agriculture in Haiti is much smaller, as a higher percentage of Haiti's area is mountainous. There is more limestone terrain, and the soils are thinner and less fertile and have a lower capacity for recovery.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1111836]Your ignorance shows. Haiti has been singled out and punished for being the first and only successful slave revolt in history and Haiti gained her freedom in 1804. Economic sanctions levied by the US slave owning government, crippling reparations forced by France on Haiti (which were not paid up until 1947) and constant meddling by the US, France and Canada which culminated in the kidnapping of the president of Haiti in 2004 by US forces have all left Haiti devastated. The earthquake was a particularly devastating blow. Thus, before you make asinine comments, please read up about things before you write about them. If you did read about the history of Haiti, you would clearly see that it was not their fault that the country is, as you so eloquently put it, still fucked up.[/QUOTE]Sorry, you've said nothing that I didn't already know. The slave revolt in Haiti was also the inspiration for Nat Turner's Rebellion here in the US (if you didn't know that).

All I see in your comment are a bunch of excuses. The country has a lot of corruption. Period. Just like Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1111836]...and constant meddling by the US, France and Canada which culminated in the kidnapping of the president of Haiti in 2004 by US forces have all left Haiti devastated.[/QUOTE]

Where is your source of reference for this info? Because that comment comes off more as speculation than fact.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1112023]Sorry, you've said nothing that I didn't already know. The slave revolt in Haiti was also the inspiration for Nat Turner's Rebellion here in the US (if you didn't know that).

All I see in your comment are a bunch of excuses. The country has a lot of corruption. Period. Just like Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe.

Where is your source of reference for this info? Because that comment comes off more as speculation than fact. [/QUOTE]Believe it or not, there is very little government corruption for the simple reason that there is very little government there. TO be sure, the little government that there is can be safely considered as corrupt but they are in the pay of the big powers. The Haitian State, such as it is, has been dismantled and it is now a country run by NGOs.

As for the sources, the best source is "An Unbroken Agony" by Randall Robinson. He went with a USA Congresswoman to rescue Aristide when he was whisked away by USA forces to the Central African Republic. Robinson gives an eyewitness account of the whole affair (complete with Aristide's pilot who was an eyewitness of the President's involuntary departure). Another good book is Damming the Flood by Peter Hallward, a very well-researched book with documented footnotes.

Even the last OAS representative to Haiti, Ricardo Seitenfus has admitted that "Today it's worse with Haiti turned 'into a capitalist country, an export platform for the American market, it is absurd' and deeply exploitive. 'More than 90% of the education and health systems are in private hands. The country has no public resources for the functioning of an official system even in a minimal fashion. When the unemployment (underemployment) rate is at 80, deploying a stabilizing mission is intolerable. There is nothing to stabilize. Its mandate in Haiti is to keep peace of the cemetery. '

In short, the evidence that Haiti has its ills foisted upon it by outside powers is overwhelming if you just dig into its history. The current Haitian "government" is one that has foisted upon the Haitian people after the 2004 intervention and has very little popularity. The latest election shennanigans (Nov 28) shows that the USA, France, etc. Intend to keep on with the farce of the sham election. Only about 28% (if that) voted in the elections and the election fraud was so obvious and manifest that they are struggling to find a way to justify it (This after not letting the most popular party participate, like outlawing the Republican Party in Oklahoma).

I have been Haiti a few times now, speak Creole and have read up on the situation quite a bit. I have talked to a lot of Haitians about this and have heard many sides but the havenots all want Aristide back. What Haiti needs is for MINUSTAH (UN forces) to leave, the US to leave, and for true, all-inclusive participatory elections to take place. No, the Haitian people do NOT deserve their lot. The US media conveniently ignores the salient reasons behind Haiti's misery. Reading up on the history is a onerous task. It requires work and an understanding of the country. In any case, Haiti is NOT Zimbabwe.

Have you read up on Haitian history? Do you speak Creole? Have you visited Haiti very much? Are there any books that say that Haiti is "fucked up" just because there is corruption? (and no explanation for that corruption except that they are poor Third World Blacks)? I don't think so.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1111990]An article from the book Collapse by Jared Diamond,

[url]http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?storyid=4776.[/url]

An excerpt:[/QUOTE]That explains the weather side but not the historical side. Haiti used to be the richest colony in the Americas. It is hard to believe but it generated far more money for France than the 13 colonies did for England. One reason for the deforestation is the dire economic situation of the people. Their agriculture was also damaged by the US insistence on killing their native pig population and on removing tariffs on rice imports. The US occupation of Haiti from 1915-1934 and the oppressive Haitian Army they set up resulted in further decades of oppression and destitution of the peasant population. With nothing else to cook with (coal, electricity, gas, etc.) , it is hardly surprising that the forests were stripped. This coupled with the climatic conditions explain the current state of the Haitian countryside. Diamond gives some insight but that is not the whole picture.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1112155]In short, the evidence that Haiti has its ills foisted upon it by outside powers is overwhelming if you just dig into its history. The current Haitian "government" is one that has foisted upon the Haitian people after the 2004 intervention and has very little popularity. The latest election shennanigans (Nov 28) shows that the USA, France, etc. Intend to keep on with the farce of the sham election. Only about 28% (if that) voted in the elections and the election fraud was so obvious and manifest that they are struggling to find a way to justify it (This after not letting the most popular party participate, like outlawing the Republican Party in Oklahoma).

I have been Haiti a few times now, speak Creole and have read up on the situation quite a bit. I have talked to a lot of Haitians about this and have heard many sides but the havenots all want Aristide back. What Haiti needs is for MINUSTAH (UN forces) to leave, the US to leave, and for true, all-inclusive participatory elections to take place. No, the Haitian people do NOT deserve their lot. The US media conveniently ignores the salient reasons behind Haiti's misery. Reading up on the history is a onerous task. It requires work and an understanding of the country. In any case, Haiti is NOT Zimbabwe.

Have you read up on Haitian history? Do you speak Creole? Have you visited Haiti very much? Are there any books that say that Haiti is "fucked up" just because there is corruption? (and no explanation for that corruption except that they are poor Third World Blacks)? I don't think so. [/QUOTE]I can only go by what the people who actually live there have to say about it:

[b][i]"Honest people don't go into politics in Haiti. To be in politics you have yo belong to a closed circle of men who think only of themselves, who at times can resort to killing."[/i][/b]

-Port-au-Prince Police Chief who has survived 2 assassination attempts believed to be ordered by politicians.

@23:16 in the video.

[b][i]"Corruption is not only in the Justice system. In Haiti, corruption is everywhere. You have corruption in the customs, you have corruption in the tax office."[/i][/b]

-Former Minister of Justice.

@34:19 in the video.

[b][i]"The Red Cross, USAID, World Vision, those people care, they want to help us. But our leaders won't sit down with us."[/i][/b]

-Mr. Osay (spelling) , a resident who lost everything in the earthquake.

@38:40 in the video.

He later goes on to say @39:10:

[b][i]"It's economic power which makes you an adult. It's not your age, it's your economic power. In Haiti, the system is so rotten that whatever your age, you always remain a child"[/i][/b]

The Video: Battle for Haiti (PBS Frontline Documentary) :

[url]http://video.pbs.org/video/1737171448[/url]

[b]NOTE: The people in the video are not blaming their corruption problems on outside forces like the US or Canada. [/b]

SavePros.

Is there anywhere in the world that honest people go into politics? Haiti is hardly unique in that aspect.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1112197]I can only go by what the people who actually live there have to say about it:

[b][i]"Honest people don't go into politics in Haiti. To be in politics you have yo belong to a closed circle of men who think only of themselves, who at times can resort to killing."[/i][/b]

-Port-au-Prince Police Chief who has survived 2 assassination attempts believed to be ordered by politicians.

@23:16 in the video.

[b][i]"Corruption is not only in the Justice system. In Haiti, corruption is everywhere. You have corruption in the customs, you have corruption in the tax office."[/i][/b]

-Former Minister of Justice.

@34:19 in the video.

[b][i]"The Red Cross, USAID, World Vision, those people care, they want to help us. But our leaders won't sit down with us."[/i][/b]

-Mr. Osay (spelling) , a resident who lost everything in the earthquake.

@38:40 in the video.

He later goes on to [email]say@39[/email]:10:

[b][i]"It's economic power which makes you an adult. It's not your age, it's your economic power. In Haiti, the system is so rotten that whatever your age, you always remain a child"[/i][/b]

The Video: Battle for Haiti (PBS Frontline Documentary) :

[url]http://video.pbs.org/video/1737171448[/url]

[b]NOTE: The people in the video are not blaming their corruption problems on outside forces like the US or Canada. [/b][/QUOTE]Yes, corruption is endemic in Haiti. The Haitian Government only controls the airport and ports, a few cops, not much else. The MINUSTAH controls the country, probably to protect the incredibly corrupt and cruel Haitian elite from the ravenous Haitian masses. Aristide disbanded the US-trained Haitian Army and UN forces are the only way the Americans can hold on to the reins of power in Haiti.

Those people on the video confirm the awful nature of the system, such as there is of one. However, you fail to address the question: why is Haiti in such dire straits (or fucked up as you put it). Corruption is rife in the Dominican Republic as well. Mexico is sick with corruption yet Haiti is far worse. Corruption is a nasty symptom, not the disease. Arguably, without USA, French, and Canadian interference, Haiti probably would still be as corrupt as most Caribbean countries but the lot of the people would be far better (with their self-sufficiency in rice, their livestock intact, etc.) than now and, with a functioning state that doesn't depend on thousands of NGOs, the earthquake rebuilding would have gone much better.

I am unable to watch the video link as I don't live in the USA but I am hardly surprised that no mention is made of USA interference given that PBS is a US government-funded institution, even if PBS has a "liberal" reputation. I know that many Americans are loathe to think that their government can be up to very nasty tricks bordering on genocide (Haiti, Guatemala in the 1980's, etc.). The truth hurts. The American people are, for the most part, very decent, very nice people. A shame that is not the case for much of the State Department. There are reasons in much of the world why the US Government is seethingly loathed while individual Americans are, for the most part, well-liked.

I still say that reading the books I mentioned is much, much more thorough and informative than watching a 55 minute long video. Try.

[url]www.haitian-truth.org[/url]

Or.

[url]www.haitiananalysis.com[/url]

For more thorough information on the situation in Haiti.

I talked to many Haitians in July last year and all of them despised most NGOs. They mistrusted me at first because, ironically, I speak Creole but when they were convinced I was no NGO person or fucking missionary, they opened up. They are suffering and resent the American / UN / NGO occupation though they are desperate for their scraps and whatever they can get from them. The tent people, the Haitian peasants, etc. Might be ignorant and largely illiterate but they know why the popular leader Aristide (twice elected by huge majorities, twice removed by US machinations) was whisked away and why he is unable to return (in violation of the Haitian Constitution, such as it is). The Haitians are very politically aware which explains why 72. 9 % did NOT vote in the November 28 sham elections.

It is hard to believe that the Dominican Republic got its independence not from Spain but from Haiti. Amazing how the tables have turned but the reasons are easy to find.

Perhaps some people on the thread might not appreciate this discussion about Haiti on the Sosúa thread but at least they should know why there are (or were) so many Haitian women in Sosúa and their desperate plight. Sorry but in light of the crackdown on Haitians in Sosúa and in memory of the 300, 000 earthquake victims, it was worth my time to discuss the tragedy of Haiti. My favourite girls were all Haitian there.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1112223].....Perhaps some people on the thread might not appreciate this discussion about Haiti on the Sosúa thread but at least they should know why there are (or were) so many Haitian women in Sosúa and their desperate plight. Sorry but in light of the crackdown on Haitians in Sosúa and in memory of the 300, 000 earthquake victims, it was worth my time to discuss the tragedy of Haiti. My favourite girls were all Haitian there.[/QUOTE]Well, if it belongs here or not I have found the information posted very interesting and learned a few things myself.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1112223]Those people on the video confirm the awful nature of the system, such as there is of one. However, you fail to address the question: why is Haiti in such dire straits (or fucked up as you put it). Corruption is rife in the Dominican Republic as well. Mexico is sick with corruption yet Haiti is far worse. Corruption is a nasty symptom, not the disease. Arguably, without USA, French, and Canadian interference, Haiti probably would still be as corrupt as most Caribbean countries but the lot of the people would be far better (with their self-sufficiency in rice, their livestock intact, etc.) than now and, with a functioning state that doesn't depend on thousands of NGOs, the earthquake rebuilding would have gone much better.

I am unable to watch the video link as I don't live in the USA but I am hardly surprised that no mention is made of USA interference given that PBS is a US government-funded institution, even if PBS has a "liberal" reputation. I know that many Americans are loathe to think that their government can be up to very nasty tricks bordering on genocide (Haiti, Guatemala in the 1980's, etc.). The truth hurts. The American people are, for the most part, very decent, very nice people. A shame that is not the case for much of the State Department. There are reasons in much of the world why the US Government is seethingly loathed while individual Americans are, for the most part, well-liked.

Perhaps some people on the thread might not appreciate this discussion about Haiti on the Sosúa thread but at least they should know why there are (or were) so many Haitian women in Sosúa and their desperate plight. Sorry but in light of the crackdown on Haitians in Sosúa and in memory of the 300, 000 earthquake victims, it was worth my time to discuss the tragedy of Haiti. My favourite girls were all Haitian there. [/QUOTE]That's fine. The point I was trying to make is that a year after the earthquake where people are still living in tent cities and squalor, if that is not "fucked up" then I don't know what is. The aid money has been pledge to Haiti by multiple countries, but somehow a year later it has not found it's way to the people who actually need it.

And you don't have to tell me about PBS. I am one of those folks who believes that NPR should in no way be funded by the taxpayer. They are about as "Liberal" as one can get.

All of this was in response to previous post about Haitians being rounded up like cattle in the DR and being shipped back to "nothing" in Haiti. But as I said, it is no ones fault that Haiti is (for a better choice of words) still in dire straits, save for the people over there running the show. If you read any of my post you will also see that I am also fond of Haitian women.

[QUOTE=Combo; 1112213]SavePros.

Is there anywhere in the world that honest people go into politics? Haiti is hardly unique in that aspect. [/QUOTE]Combo, I know that you are new to the ISG forum, but it would be REALLY nice if you would utilize the quote function to keep with the spirit of the discussion. All of your post are as if you started the topic and it is hard to follow where you are coming from. It's the same with your posts in the Medellin forum. Just hit the "Reply With Quote" link on the bottom right-hand corner of any post you are wanting to respond to.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1112236]That's fine. The point I was trying to make is that a year after the earthquake where people are still living in tent cities and squalor, if that is not "fucked up" then I don't know what is. The aid money has been pledge to Haiti by multiple countries, but somehow a year later it has not found it's way to the people who actually need it.

All of this was in response to previous post about Haitians being rounded up like cattle in the DR and being shipped back to "nothing" in Haiti. But as I said, it is no ones fault that Haiti is (for a better choice of words) still in dire straits, save for the people over there running the show. If you read any of my post you will also see that I am also fond of Haitian women.

[/QUOTE]Then we are in complete agreement. The bastards running the country are to blame. No doubt whatsoever about it. It is abundantly clear that Haitians are NOT in charge of their country. The Haitian Government, such as it was, was particularly hard struck by the 2010 quake. Many important officials were killed outright when their buildings collapsed on them. The tenuous, nearly invisible Haitian State lies in ruins as I write this. Even the Presidential Palace, the very symbol of the Haitian Government, totally destroyed, has not even been rebuilt. Indeed, work hasn't even begun on it. While there are some Haitian police, the real security lies with the UN forces. Nearly all of the money earmarked for Haiti moves through NGOs or Clinton's organization (ironically, Clinton arguably did far more harm to Haiti than Bush I or Bush II did, and that is saying a lot). For all the billions promised, precious little is getting through (admittedly, the cash-strapped but venal Haitian Port Authorities--the only real visible vestige of the Haitian State which is unable to collect taxes in a normal way-- are grasping for money by forcing the cash-rich NGOs to cough up money for much needed supplies but if the Americans, French, and Canadians put their foot down a bit, this would immediately disappear).

In any case, I never doubted that you didn't like Haitians.

In short, the Haitians are NOT in charge of their own country any more. Nearly all government functions are in UN, OAS, NGO or private hands (the only thing working right in Haiti are the phone companies, one of which is owned by the Communist Vietnamese Army, Viettel...... Oh, the irony!). In view of this, the ones to blame for the extreme suffering in Haiti today are precisely those in charge, the bastards who are really running the show in Haiti: the UN, OAS (and their sponsors: US government, Canada, and France) , as well as the often self-serving, squabbling, uncoordinated but well-funded NGOs (often evangelical cults poaching on the people in a Jesus-friendly jihad against the Vodou religion).

Note: Thanks Bq ribs for your comments. Ironically, some of the very best information I have found on the internet has come from ISG including insider information about the coup d'état in Thailand. The ISG is not only about intercourse and female anatomy and where to get it.

Ummmmm, can somebody tell me where I can find the Sosua thread?

I come to this site to get information about the topic that this blog is all about. I am going through pages of unrelated information.

Whoever wants to discuss world politics and corruption in Haiti please go to another blog.

Yes Jackson, maybe all these posts should be moved to the Haiti thread.

But one final comment: IMHO Haiti was much better off with "Baby Doc" then with USA imposed "democracy". There is a stark contrast between the former (full of factories and with almost no crime or violence), and the latter which speaks for itself. Haiti now appears to be the "feeding trough" for NGOs and foreign bureaucrats.

While your at it Jackson don't you think it is time for Blackbeard thread- I look on POP and see Blackbeard crap.

Nice software update!

I agree slippery. Also, When did a bunch of sex nuts mongers become humanitarians? Please take the tears for haiti to the offical thread and lets get back to mongering.

I'll be staying at the casa marina bay Resort on feburary 13 thru 16. I need intel. How far am I from all the action. What clubs other then classicos and blackbeared should I hit. Any numers you guys want to send me?

[QUOTE=Slippery;1112358]Ummmmm, can somebody tell me where I can find the Sosua thread?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=David_33; 1112374]Yes Jackson, maybe all these posts should be moved to the Haiti thread.

[/QUOTE]Agreed. Let's return to our regularly scheduled program.

So, has anyone been to Sosua lately? I like the fact that Kman is posting multiple photos in the photo gallery, but they all (like the NG Bikini Contest photos) seem to be pre-crackdown.


[QUOTE=Monger1337;1110709]BB's today! Things are damn good so far. I like BB's especailly after the cuture shock of [b]my first night in sosua![/b] I needed a minute to adjust to that insanity and BB's did just that. I love this place. I just had ST with two absolutely AMAZING chicas. A good while in the Jacuzzi time with BBBJ followed by some more ST in the room. Karen why Ana. I have pics, but honestly I am not sober enough to coordinate posting them. Later gentlemen. Later. I've made some delightful acquaintances here of folks who speak English. I think I made the best choice for an inexperienced international monger. [b]I dipped my toes into Sosua last night.[/b][/QUOTE]
Are you able to elaborate any further on your Sosua experience??

[QUOTE=David_33; 1112374]Yes Jackson, maybe all these posts should be moved to the Haiti thread.

But one final comment: IMHO Haiti was much better off with "Baby Doc" then with USA imposed "democracy". There is a stark contrast between the former (full of factories and with almost no crime or violence) , and the latter which speaks for itself. Haiti now appears to be the "feeding trough" for NGOs and foreign bureaucrats. [/QUOTE]The Road was better with Trujillo! The current President, Leonel, is a bad joke!

[QUOTE=David_33; 1112374]Yes Jackson, maybe all these posts should be moved to the Haiti thread.

But one final comment: IMHO Haiti was much better off with "Baby Doc" then with USA imposed "democracy". There is a stark contrast between the former (full of factories and with almost no crime or violence) , and the latter which speaks for itself. Haiti now appears to be the "feeding trough" for NGOs and foreign bureaucrats. [/QUOTE]I discovered the world of Haiti in Sosúa, believe it or not. That is where I started learning Creole (since I already know Spanish fluently). It looks like Sosúa is undergoing a sea change. Is it the case that Sosúa will be for "family-oriented" tourism and not for the mongerer? If there are no working girls milling around the bars or beaches during the day, where is the charm of Sosúa? On top of that, if the Haitian girls are gone, where is the fun, pizzaz?

I really like the New Garden Hotel but I could tell that there were barriers to Haitian girls coming in to hang out around the pool while it was OK for Dominicans. The Dominican girls saw to that. This is one reason why I just might not be going back to Sosúa. I love Herman's Siempre Sol and drinking Presidentes during the day at the beach but I suppose all good things come to an end.

My very last comments about Haiti on this thread, I promise!

As for David 33's comments, all I can say that Baby Doc, like his father, was a veritable disaster for Haiti. Although there was a functioning Haitian state in those days, it was a primitive state whose only virtue was that it was anti-Communist. The oppressive apparatus, personified by the bespectacled TonTon Macoutes (watch the old movie "The Comedians" with Richard Burton) , did nothing for the country except maintain the Duvalier family in power and ensure the US that leftwing types would never be in power. Sure, there were factories and there was a "peace of the cemetery", but thousands of victims of the state terrorism wrought by the Duvaliers could testify that it was not good for the people in general. Hell, one could say that Hitler did a lot to relieve Germany of her chronic unemployment but at what price?

[QUOTE=David_33; 1112374]Yes Jackson, maybe all these posts should be moved to the Haiti thread.

But one final comment: IMHO Haiti was much better off with "Baby Doc" then with USA imposed "democracy". There is a stark contrast between the former (full of factories and with almost no crime or violence) , and the latter which speaks for itself. Haiti now appears to be the "feeding trough" for NGOs and foreign bureaucrats. [/QUOTE]The R. D. Was better with Trujillo! The current President, Leonel, is a bad joke!

Cunning Linguist, and now? And before the earthquake? I personally preferred the TonTon Macoutes to the NGOs. At least they didn`t fill up all the hotels and restaurants.

[QUOTE=Jfregedie; 1112387]I agree slippery. Also, When did a bunch of sex nuts mongers become humanitarians? Please take the tears for haiti to the offical thread and lets get back to mongering.

I'll be staying at the casa marina bay Resort on feburary 13 thru 16. I need intel. How far am I from all the action. What clubs other then classicos and blackbeared should I hit. Any numers you guys want to send me? [/QUOTE]I don't know of a club named "Blackbeared". I didn't know that there were black bears in DR to begin with. And what are "numers?"

And why would you book a hotel room without knowing how close or how far you would be from the action?

From Sosua News, January 2, 2011:

[I]According to the chairman Jorge López, of the Federacióand de Empleados Hoteleros, in Puerto Plata, Sosúa and Cabarete last year approximately 5000 hotel employees were laid off or send away for an unpaid holiday. At least this claimed the chairman in a show 'Todo incluido' which can be seen on local TV station Channel 10. Many former employees are now trying to make a living as motoconcho or itinerant vendor. But in those trades the competition is fierce. [b]The recently introduced measures to help Sosúa, according to the chairman, don't help much either to attract more tourists to the hotels. [/b]

Source: El Faro[/I]

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=2449&article=1[/url]

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Sounds to me like they should have just left shit the way it was. Now, where are all those guys that claim monger dollars don't account for much?

Haitian migration controls.

After a year of almost open-door policy following the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, some controls are being imposed on illegal Haitian migration in the DR. The Army says that it is on the lookout for an estimated 1, 000 criminals who escaped from Haitian jails during the earthquake, who might be living in the DR.

Listin Diario reports that the first checks at bus stops and documents requests were carried out this week. The Police says the searches have produced about 100 known criminals who have been sent back to Haiti after their capture.

The DR-Haiti border is 354kms long. Corruption at the border and along the roads to Dominican cities from Haiti has enabled hundreds of thousands of Haitians to move to the DR.

Army chief, Major General Carlos Rivera Portes said that the operation seeks to reduce people smuggling, primarily to tourist areas in Bavaro and Punta Cana, where thousands of Haitians have moved in search of work in the tourism or construction sector. The high financial cost and pressures from labor contractors and foreign campaigners have kept repatriation down over the years.

El Caribe reports that the Ministry of the Armed Forces ordered the Army, the Joint Commands, the Border Security Corps (Cesfront) , and military intelligence agencies and the Police to increase efforts to seek information on the people smugglers.

These operations follow sanitary controls ordered by the Ministry of Public Health as it seeks to reduce the incidence of cholera in the DR. News reports have carried stories of pressure now being exercised by neighborhood groups that are concerned about the concentrations of Haitians living without sanitation.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1112506]Haitian migration controls.[/QUOTE]Okay, I think I'm starting to get like everyone else in asking what does this have to do with Sosua? We appreciate all of your "Haitian updates" every other day, but is there anything you can tell us about what is currently going on in Sosua (other than less Haitians in the discos)?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1112514]Okay, I think I'm starting to get like everyone else in asking what does this have to do with Sosua? We appreciate all of your "Haitian updates" every other day, but is there anything you can tell us about what is currently going on in Sosua (other than less Haitians in the discos)?[/QUOTE]Politur are arresting Haitians all over the area. I know of 2 that were arrested on moto-conchos. Haitians are laying low-afraid to work. The Politur has started stealing money from the arrested chicas. Classico's is near 100% Dominicanas! The streets are pretty barren in the daytime. Having regulars is a great idea (My Plan B).

[QUOTE=Jfregedie;1112387]I'll be staying at the casa marina bay Resort on feburary 13 thru 16. I need intel. How far am I from all the action. What clubs other then classicos and blackbeared should I hit. Any numers you guys want to send me?[/QUOTE]Casa Marina Reef / Beach was once two separate hotels. They now share the same facilities, restaurants, beaches, pools etc. I always stayed on the reef side. The lobby for the reef side is across from a baseball field and that lobby is about 3 blocks from Classicos. The lobby for the beach side is further away from Classicos, probably by another 2-3 blocks.

If you booked through Orbitz, then probably they will try to put you on the beach side. I knew the reef side, so I would talk to the worker in the lobby and he would give me a room on the reef side.

As you know casa marina all inclusive is not chica friendly. They do sell day passes for around $40. Short term hotel near there is the Calypso. For around $25 per night you could probably rent a room at Rockys just to use for sex (hotel orchidee is next door to Rockys and probably has rooms for about $25 per night).

Sosua is a small town, everything is within walking distance. Passions Massage and CMP are two places with chicas. Passions has a webpage with photos.

Blackbeards is probably an hour from Sosua. Blackbeards is a medium sized hotel that has chicas come to hotel in two shifts, one shift of chicas arrives early in the day and leaves late afternoon and a second shift arrives and stays till evening. Nice hotel and grounds, the guests staying there pay a set price for short term and all night.

If you don't have a car and you want to visit blackbeards you could take a taxi (expensive) or Dominican public transportation, gua guas (small buses) or carro publicos (shared 1980 toyota corollas or similar type cars).

In Puerto Plata City there is Crystals, expensive strip show type place, price for take out over $100 US. Also El Bohen, another bar with chicas for take out.

If you want to try your luck with tourist chicas you could visit playa dorada complex (5 minutes from crystals) (about 30 minutes from Sosua). Playa Dorada complex has about 10 all inclusive hotels. Inside Playa Dorada complex there are a few bars where tourist chicas hang out at night.

[QUOTE=Sidney;1112530]Politur are arresting Haitians all over the area. I know of 2 that were arrested on moto-conchos. Haitians are laying low-afraid to work. The Politur has started stealing money from the arrested chicas. Classico's is near 100% Dominicanas! The streets are pretty barren in the daytime. Having regulars is a great idea (My Plan B).[/QUOTE]That's a damn good start, and thanks, LOL.

Now, if we can just get someone to chime in about what's been going on at New Garden during the daytime (are there any chicas hanging around anymore?) then we'll be good to go!

Been in Sosua for two days, about my 7th trip or so. Scuba diving, as always, with Superior Dive shop at the Sosua Bay Hotel. Great wreck dives on the Zingara wreck and lionfish hunting on the reefs.

I stay at the Sosua Bay Beach Club (Mongering section of Sosua Bay Hotel) and it is a great place for $50 a night.

Daytime chicas are a bit scarce but they always were. And I'm diving till 1 pm anyway. I often set something up for a 1 pm meeting the night before. Evening still lots of chicas available at the usual places, just not spilling into the street. Have to admit not as many Haitianas but haven't seen any of these so called round ups. Could be going on, tho, I guess. Lots of police presence on the streets but they are not hassling anyone that I can see.

I'm still having a blast, as always. Pics to follow in a day or two.

I wouldn't hesitate to come down for mongering or whatever. Still a great deal for the money.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1112536]That's a damn good start, and thanks, LOL.

Now, if we can just get someone to chime in about what's been going on at New Garden during the daytime (are there any chicas hanging around anymore?) then we'll be good to go! [/QUOTE]I was just at New Garden and the same 4 chicas were there everyday from 9to5. Also Manizales your up and I'm looking fot your report.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1112536]Now, if we can just get someone to chime in about what's been going on at New Garden during the daytime (are there any chicas hanging around anymore?) then we'll be good to go![/QUOTE]I will be there next weekend and staying at the New Garden; can report after I'm there. When I was making reservations in mid December, Wilfried assured me there were still plenty of women hanging out. However, I recently learned that Wilfried no longer works at the NG; WTH? Either way, I will be there Friday, which turns out to be a holiday of sort, and report back.

[QUOTE=Zip Head; 1112552]Been in Sosua for two days, about my 7th trip or so. Scuba diving, as always, with Superior Dive shop at the Sosua Bay Hotel. Great wreck dives on the Zingara wreck and lionfish hunting on the reefs.

I stay at the Sosua Bay Beach Club (Mongering section of Sosua Bay Hotel) and it is a great place for $50 a night.

Daytime chicas are a bit scarce but they always were. And I'm diving till 1 pm anyway. I often set something up for a 1 pm meeting the night before. Evening still lots of chicas available at the usual places, just not spilling into the street. Have to admit not as many Haitianas but haven't seen any of these so called round ups. Could be going on, tho, I guess. Lots of police presence on the streets but they are not hassling anyone that I can see.

I'm still having a blast, as always. Pics to follow in a day or two.

I wouldn't hesitate to come down for mongering or whatever. Still a great deal for the money. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the update, I didn't know about the place. Their website says $65 before tax for garden rooms, where did you book?

Too bad the Mayor of Sosua didn't consult with the Obama Administration before they implemented this crackdown. Pretty soon we'll all be sipping Cuba Libre's in Havana:

[b]Obama to ease travel restrictions to Cuba, allow more USA cash to island[/b]

Read more:

[url]http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/14/2016622/obama-to-ease-travel-restrictions.html#ixzz1B4y6kki2[/url]

We're not completely there yet but it is only a matter of time. Plus Cuba is closer than the DR. Talk about bad timing, LOL!

[QUOTE=Zip Head; 1112552]Been in Sosua for two days, about my 7th trip or so. Scuba diving, as always, with Superior Dive shop at the Sosua Bay Hotel. Great wreck dives on the Zingara wreck and lionfish hunting on the reefs.

I stay at the Sosua Bay Beach Club (Mongering section of Sosua Bay Hotel) and it is a great place for $50 a night.

Daytime chicas are a bit scarce but they always were. And I'm diving till 1 pm anyway. I often set something up for a 1 pm meeting the night before. Evening still lots of chicas available at the usual places, just not spilling into the street. Have to admit not as many Haitianas but haven't seen any of these so called round ups. Could be going on, tho, I guess. Lots of police presence on the streets but they are not hassling anyone that I can see.

I'm still having a blast, as always. Pics to follow in a day or two.

I wouldn't hesitate to come down for mongering or whatever. Still a great deal for the money. [/QUOTE]I would like to say thanks for this update as well. Not too many people take the time to stop in and report during their trip.

[QUOTE=Zip Head; 1112552]Been in Sosua for two days, about my 7th trip or so. Scuba diving, as always, with Superior Dive shop at the Sosua Bay Hotel. Great wreck dives on the Zingara wreck and lionfish hunting on the reefs.

I stay at the Sosua Bay Beach Club (Mongering section of Sosua Bay Hotel) and it is a great place for $50 a night.

Daytime chicas are a bit scarce but they always were. And I'm diving till 1 pm anyway. I often set something up for a 1 pm meeting the night before. Evening still lots of chicas available at the usual places, just not spilling into the street. Have to admit not as many Haitianas but haven't seen any of these so called round ups. Could be going on, tho, I guess. Lots of police presence on the streets but they are not hassling anyone that I can see.

I'm still having a blast, as always. Pics to follow in a day or two.

I wouldn't hesitate to come down for mongering or whatever. Still a great deal for the money. [/QUOTE]All those pretty girls up on Pedro Clisante, and you're going down on some old wreck out in Sosua Bay.

Just kidding. The Zingara was my first dive of my October vacation. I did pretty well and I enjoyed it, but I would have done better and enjoyed it more if it hadn't been my first dive since June. How is Superior, by the way? I dove with Elite Scuba; Kerrie is a great diver, a great guide, and a lot of fun to hang out with after the morning's dives. I'd heard that one of the shops there runs a real cattle-boat operation, and I hope it isn't Superior Dive.

The Sosua Bay Beach Club. Now that's convenient to the diving. I'll have to give it a try next trip, especially now with Wilifred out of the New Garden.

Cheers,

Westy

Just got back from Sosua.

Not too much to report.

Weather great, lots of sun, some cloud, cool nights, a little rain. Perfect time of year.

Stayed at home base Casa Marina as usual with novia, in "newly renovated" room, Ha ha.

32 inch flat screen TV, now with king size bed, but no proper linen as they use old double sheets and blanket which don't fit and you finish up in the am sleeping mostly on bare mattress. The old cracked tiles in room and bathroom not replaced, so the reno was definitely a quick once over. Same staff, same hearty welcome and a few special extras.

I was happy to see that the bars were still open to the street, but like others have reported, the chica parade in the afternoon and early evening has virtually disappeared. All I saw in the bars were a few hard core locals. Before there were pretty young things everywhere vying for your attention, and all you had to do was make eye contact. Now, I suppose you have to go hunting later in the clubs to find them, but I'm in bed by then, so it's a major loss to me.

Saw lots of mongers sitting around in the main bars looking bored and not once in a couple hours were they propositioned, except by aforesaid hard core locals.

Walked by New Garden two or three times a day and saw no chicas. No chicas hanging out at Casa Marina anymore, same at Rhumba.

Don't get me wrong, it's easy to get laid there, but now its a little more work, less choices for sure, and you need a game plan. I didn't see one chica I would rate above a 6, so while folks here are saying prices are down, I would think that because of lack of competion, prices are up for the beautiful young ones (if you can find one).

My afternoon chill bar at the beach parking lot is up for sale ($50, 000. He's crazy) and the crazy Ecuador / Canadian owner in cornrows has his local esposa installed as barrista, which means he fired my favorite Vanessa, so she hung around with us for a couple of days. She was happy to sit with us and drink coke forever, but it got boring as there was no real spark between her and my novia who seemed a little jealous so we had her move on and we got back to happy time again. So no threesome again, this trip.

A couple of days in Choromicas, a family day at Casa Marina for the kids, a day of shopping at Jimanez and La Serena in Puerto Plata, the bars every night, cold beer and lots of good sex in between is all it takes at my age to have a good time.

My buddy comes down with me in March and my novia already has a good selection lined up for him, but they will be coming in from out of town and are mostly none pros.

So, even tho I had a great time as usual, and love Sosua, I can honestly say, at least for the moment, its time for all click and point mongers to move on.

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1112744]Just got back from Sosua.

Not too much to report.

Weather great, lots of sun, some cloud, cool nights, a little rain. Perfect time of year.

I was happy to see that the bars were still open to the street, but like others have reported, the chica parade in the afternoon and early evening has virtually disappeared. All I saw in the bars were a few hard core locals. Before there were pretty young things everywhere vying for your attention, and all you had to do was make eye contact. Now, I suppose you have to go hunting later in the clubs to find them, but I'm in bed by then, so it's a major loss to me.

Saw lots of mongers sitting around in the main bars looking bored and not once in a couple hours were they propositioned, except by aforesaid hard core locals.

Walked by New Garden two or three times a day and saw no chicas. No chicas hanging out at Casa Marina anymore, same at Rhumba.

Don't get me wrong, it's easy to get laid there, but now its a little more work, less choices for sure, and you need a game plan. I didn't see one chica I would rate above a 6, so while folks here are saying prices are down, I would think that because of lack of competion, prices are up for the beautiful young ones (if you can find one).

My afternoon chill bar at the beach parking lot is up for sale ($50, 000. He's crazy) and the crazy Ecuador / Canadian owner in cornrows has his local esposa installed as barrista, which means he fired my favorite Vanessa, so she hung around with us for a couple of days. She was happy to sit with us and drink coke forever, but it got boring as there was no real spark between her and my novia who seemed a little jealous so we had her move on and we got back to happy time again. So no threesome again, this trip.

A couple of days in Choromicas, a family day at Casa Marina for the kids, a day of shopping at Jimanez and La Serena in Puerto Plata, the bars every night, cold beer and lots of good sex in between is all it takes at my age to have a good time.

My buddy comes down with me in March and my novia already has a good selection lined up for him, but they will be coming in from out of town and are mostly none pros.

So, even tho I had a great time as usual, and love Sosua, I can honestly say, at least for the moment, its time for all click and point mongers to move on. [/QUOTE]Thank you for an honest and sobering report Oakie. I must admit at first I was a little concerned about how you would report considering that you are always "wifed up" on your trips, but you seemed to have covered all of the bases and approached this from the "solo monger" point-of-view, knowing ahead of time the type of info would-be travelers are looking for, such as what is going on at NG and the quality of chicas around.

You have definitely given enough info for those sitting on the fence to make a decision about whether or not the New Sosua is a good fit for them. As for me, I'll pop in and out of this forum from time to time looking for signs of "life", but for the moment it ain't looking good.

[I]"What happened to you man? Yo ass used to be beautiful!"[/I]

-Samuel Jackson (right before he finishes off John Travolta) in "Jackie Brown"

Sosua used to be beautiful. I don't think I'd recognize her anymore.

-SVP321

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1112755][I]"What happened to you man? Yo ass used to be beautiful!"[/I]

-Samuel Jackson (right before he finishes off John Travolta) in "Jackie Brown"[/QUOTE]In "Jackie Brown," it's Robert DeNiro who's executed by Jackson, not Travolta. Travolta was in Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction."

-Helpmann :)

[QUOTE=Helpmann; 1112765]In "Jackie Brown," it's Robert DeNiro who's executed by Jackson, not Travolta. Travolta was in Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction."

-Helpmann. [/QUOTE]Yep, my bad. How the hell did I get those two mixed up? And I've seen the movie at least 5 times already (seen Pulp Fiction at least 8).

Who's a Tarantino fan? :-)

And yes, it does matter, so please forgive me for insulting DeNiro. Both great actors though! And Sam Jackson got to work with both. Just in two completely different movies, lol.

Hey FunintheSun63, I just tried to respond to your PM but your inbox is full. Let me know when you have cleared some space and I will send you what I had written as a response.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1112755]I must admit at first I was a little concerned about how you would report considering that you are always "wifed up" on your trips, but you seemed to have covered all of the bases and approached this from the "solo monger" point-of-view, knowing ahead of time the type of info would-be travelers are looking for, such as what is going on at NG and the quality of chicas around.-SVP321[/QUOTE]Didn't mean to sound so negative, SP.

For all you single guys out there, take heart. I'm just talkin street and open bar action. I was never actually inside New Garden, Classicos, La Passion or the new place next door.

For all I know, those places could be rockin, with wall to wall 10s after midnight, and I'll leave it to guys like you and Coolie High to provide that perspective. (Matter of fact, when I hop a motoconcho to the Scotiabank ATM, from the bar, I always holler out "La Passion", and they all have a good laugh).

Even tho as you say I'm "wifed up", I'm a monger at heart, so that's how I look at it. Matter of fact, hanging with my novia, makes all the connections I might need, for example there were three decent chicas we hung with (including the aforementioned Vanessa) I could have had for afternoon siesta if I had wanted to get into novella problema, not to mention the smiling chicas I met in and around Choramicos. I'll stay away from that trouble as long as I can.

Which reminds me. In Choramicos there were always lots of young smiling eye poppers walking around, now hardly any. Could it be that a lot the new young ones coming to Sosua from out of town would stay with extended family there (like my novia did) , while working Sosua?

At any rate, the disappearance of young hotties from both places seems to be connected, but one week is not enough to draw any real conclusions. Could be the time of year, weather, any number of reasons. Just something I noticed.

By the way, don't leave the board, SP, we need your posts (and I always figured to by you a beer in Sosua one day)

Just got to Sosua this morning. Checked into Rockys. Andmade my way to NG to meet a friend and have some lunch. Probably 6 chicas around the pool. All ok none spectacular, in my view.

Went to eat at the Brittania. Good food, I had the Ham / cheese panini. Now just sitting around rockys watching game having a few drinks. Will TR later.

[QUOTE=Kitie Carson; 1113118]Just got to Sosua this morning. Checked into Rockys. Andmade my way to NG to meet a friend and have some lunch. Probably 6 chicas around the pool. All ok none spectacular, in my view.

Went to eat at the Brittania. Good food, I had the Ham / cheese panini. Now just sitting around rockys watching game having a few drinks. Will TR later. [/QUOTE]Sidney, Rocky's # 3.

[QUOTE=Westy; 1112727]I dove with Elite Scuba; Kerrie is a great diver, a great guide, and a lot of fun to hang out with after the morning's dives. I'd heard that one of the shops there runs a real cattle-boat operation, and I hope it isn't Superior Dive.

The Sosua Bay Beach Club. Now that's convenient to the diving. I'll have to give it a try next trip, especially now with Wilifred out of the New Garden.

Cheers,

Westy[/QUOTE]Northern Coast Diving on PC is a cattle boat operation. Dove with them for two days my first trip. Been using Elite Scuba ever since. Kerrie left for an extended European holiday and a visit to her home in England in Nov. Don't recall when she was scheduled to return. She turned the shop over to Brenda and her dive master (a cool Austrian, don't remember his name).

I just came back from Sosua. General situation to me was not so pleasant. As someone else said yet, in streets I didn't noticed many girls. Some was in bars in afternoon yet, but the big part of them to me appeared as ugly and with a really bored look, so I didn't feel the urge to enter there. At same time some man was there too, with a bored espression too and often not in touch with them. Gorgeous girls usually were with friends and seemed not in my opinion as interested to find customers, at last not in a clear way.

By night same story as in afternoon (except for the case that women's number increased) , in classico's, latino and merengue bar I still noticed a bigger part of ugly and bored girls when I gave a quick sight from the door. An annoying chulo / hustler approached me inside as I entered in a bar one night.

I was in La Passion and have enough of the place after two soapy massages sessions, not only because it's a little overpriced but also because when customers are fews, chicas make pressure on you to accept the "two girls service" which personally I don't like.

So I suppose this place may be ok for people who know yet several girls and can arrange dates during the day, not really good maybe for people who come there for first time (as me).

[QUOTE=Kitie Carson;1113196]R you from Chicago?[/QUOTE]But I lived there for 25 years. Left in 1996.

Hey Guys,

I'm not much for trip reports because for the most part it's all been said before and I personally have the worst memory on the planet, haha. But due to the recent unintentional but misleading reporting (in my opinion) on the impending demise of "Our Sosua" I decided to take notes every day as best I could and report back to my fellow mongering brethren another side to the story.

First, I want to say that I do not mean to disrespect some of the members here that have written to say that Sosua is dead and have advised members to seek other venues but I think that is doing the membership a disservice to say the least and in my opinion bullshit. Yes, Sosua is morphing into a slightly different place but that is no reason to discourage people especially newbies not to come. If too many people are in fact discouraged to come and partake in our hobby then yes,"Our Sosua" will in fact die, but as of this writing Sosua is alive and well, just different. Yes there are less girls but if a guy can't find what he wants in a girl here in abundance still there is something wrong with him and he should find a different hobby. For the guys that have been coming here for awhile and remember the days of hundreds of girls all over the place then I guess it can be disappointing at first blush but one has to remember you only have one dick and in my opinion I just don't see what the difference is between 50 girls and 200 girls, I mean see'mon now how many girls does one need to look at to find one that meets one's criteria for crying out loud? I have been coming to the north shore of the DR for awhile now and have made at least 20 trips here and for me personally I hated going to Classico's and being molested to the point where girls wouldn't take no for an answer and the shoulder to shoulder crowded atmosphere of some of the bars. Outside of southeast Asia, Sosua still has one of the largest concentrations of working girls within a short walking distance of anywhere that I know of even at the reduced chica numbers.

I am staying at New Garden for my first time. Much has been written on this place over the years, I will give a quick take on it. I like the place, it is close to the action yet very quiet, I expected quite the opposite. There have been anywhere from 5 to 20 "pool girls" here every day, I have seen five ex Blackbeards girls here, Josey, Pamela, Dorca, and two whose names I can not remember. I did Josey back in her BB's days for one short romp about three years ago and whenever I see her she remembers my name I can't believe it. I haven't taken any girls here back to my room and probably won't as there are too many other girls around town. The food has been good and the rooms are nice, everything else that one needs to know about this place has been said on this board a thousand times so enough of that.

Most guys on this board use the scene at Classico's as a barometer of how things are going in Sosua. This is no longer a good way to judge the scene down here because many of the girls are moving around from place to place. I am not a late night guy and Classico's is a late night place so I can not report what it was like in there late at night and as I mentioned before I never liked it there in the first place.

My first two nights I went to El Flow. I like it there because it is mostly locals that hang there and party, not a lot of gringos and that is my preference. The music is extremely loud in El Flow because that is the way the locals like it, I don't like loud music but I tolerate it because if you want to imbibe yourself with the locals whether it is in their homes, barrios or in their clubs you have to get used to it. Girls were coming and going all night long and I pulled two absolute stunners out of there both nights. They had some kind of special going on there, a bucket of three Presidente Grandes on ice for 180 pesos and I got good and drunk on the cheap. Now keep in mind that I stayed there a good long time drinking and waiting for the right girl to come by. It is one of the only bars left where you can sit at a table outside on the sidewalk and check out what is walking by and what enters the bar and that is what I did. In the past the bar and the sidewalk would be packed with girls but now the girls are on the move but still plenty of girls coming and going just not in the numbers as before. I don't see the big deal with this and in fact I like it because I am not being harassed by any girls, just chillin' and drinking and waiting to pull the trigger when I see what I want, what the fuck is wrong with that?

Saturday was the bikini contest at New Garden. $20. US for guys which included free BBQ and all the cubre libres you could drink, I expected them to pour some shit rum but they were in fact pouring Brugal so it was a good deal for me as I like a good cubre libre the problem is a lot of bars pour garbage rum but not here. There were only four girls that entered the contest but there were at least 50 girls that showed up for the contest and I had a blast and grabbed a gorgeous Haitiana and we went up to my room, this girl was off the hook, all holes, BBBJCIMWS, you name it she did it, she wore me the fuck out. Yeah, Sosua is dead, WTF.

Sunday was the NFL playoffs so around noon I walked around scouting out where the best place to watch the games would be. I decided on Rumba bar, an excellent choice. They have 4 or 5 50" flat screens in the bar and they had set up a HUGE projection screen outside it had to be 12 feet across. During the Seattle-Green Bay game the place was dead but I knew things would pick up and by the time the Patriots-Jets game came on the place was rockin'. I hung with a bunch of brothers from D. C. And had a real fun time. Girls were coming in and out of there by the shitload and it was my new friends last night here so they were looking to score. One of the guys had his eyes on a cute girl with huge tits and he decided she was more important than the game and off they went. One of his buddies couldn't stop busting on him for missing part of the game to get his dick wet when a girl walked up to the table to say Hello, and when I tell you she was one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in the DR I'm not joking, no makeup on just pure beauty. 19 years old with a near perfect body. Well I knew I had to have her but I wanted to watch the game so I asked her for her number but she said she was heading back to Santiago where she goes to school so I didn't bother. Well the guy that was hating on his friend for going with a girl during the game couldn't resist himself, grabbed her and they disappeared for the rest of the night, I can't say I blamed him one bit as she was hot, hot, hot, hahaha. Once again, plenty of girls to choose from in all sizes and colors, something for everyone. Sosua is dying, the sky is falling and whatever other bullshit you want to believe.

Food choices:

New Garden's food has been good.

The place next to Terre Linda, Steak and? Sucked for the money.

The Waterfront, high end place with the best ambiance excellent food and high prices, if for some crazy reason if you want to try and impress a girl bring her here. Personally I didn't come here to impress anyone and ambiance doesn't mean shit to me here.

The best food, largest menu with fair prices is Brittania Club, just a short walk down Pedro Clisante. I have eaten here every day and it has been awesome.

I am scheduled to leave here tomorrow and head to BB's for 5 days but I just might cancel my reservation there and hang in Sosua for the remainder of my trip because well, it sucks here now.

As always all of this is just my opinion and YMMV.

Is there anyone on this board that has leadership of a church or could establish a "church" for us mongers to travel under? Hahaha! I'm partially kidding, but mostly seriousl!

Rodeo

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1112607]Too bad the Mayor of Sosua didn't consult with the Obama Administration before they implemented this crackdown. Pretty soon we'll all be sipping Cuba Libre's in Havana:

[b]Obama to ease travel restrictions to Cuba, allow more USA cash to island[/b]

Read more:

[url]http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/14/2016622/obama-to-ease-travel-restrictions.html#ixzz1B4y6kki2[/url]

We're not completely there yet but it is only a matter of time. Plus Cuba is closer than the DR. Talk about bad timing, LOL! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1113434]Hey Guys,

I'm not much for trip reports because for the most part it's all been said before and I personally have the worst memory on the planet, haha. But due to the recent unintentional but misleading reporting (in my opinion) on the impending demise of "Our Sosua" I decided to take notes every day as best I could and report back to my fellow mongering brethren another side to the story.

First, I want to say that I do not mean to disrespect some of the members here that have written to say that Sosua is dead and have advised members to seek other venues but I think that is doing the membership a disservice to say the least and in my opinion bullshit. Yes, Sosua is morphing into a slightly different place but that is no reason to discourage people especially newbies not to come. If too many people are in fact discouraged to come and partake in our hobby then yes,"Our Sosua" will in fact die, but as of this writing Sosua is alive and well, just different. Yes there are less girls but if a guy can't find what he wants in a girl here in abundance still there is something wrong with him and he should find a different hobby. For the guys that have been coming here for awhile and remember the days of hundreds of girls all over the place then I guess it can be disappointing at first blush but one has to remember you only have one dick and in my opinion I just don't see what the difference is between 50 girls and 200 girls, I mean see'mon now how many girls does one need to look at to find one that meets one's criteria for crying out loud? I have been coming to the north shore of the DR for awhile now and have made at least 20 trips here and for me personally I hated going to Classico's and being molested to the point where girls wouldn't take no for an answer and the shoulder to shoulder crowded atmosphere of some of the bars. Outside of southeast Asia, Sosua still has one of the largest concentrations of working girls within a short walking distance of anywhere that I know of even at the reduced chica numbers.

I am staying at New Garden for my first time. Much has been written on this place over the years, I will give a quick take on it. I like the place, it is close to the action yet very quiet, I expected quite the opposite. There have been anywhere from 5 to 20 "pool girls" here every day, I have seen five ex Blackbeards girls here, Josey, Pamela, Dorca, and two whose names I can not remember. I did Josey back in her BB's days for one short romp about three years ago and whenever I see her she remembers my name I can't believe it. I haven't taken any girls here back to my room and probably won't as there are too many other girls around town. The food has been good and the rooms are nice, everything else that one needs to know about this place has been said on this board a thousand times so enough of that.

Most guys on this board use the scene at Classico's as a barometer of how things are going in Sosua. This is no longer a good way to judge the scene down here because many of the girls are moving around from place to place. I am not a late night guy and Classico's is a late night place so I can not report what it was like in there late at night and as I mentioned before I never liked it there in the first place.

My first two nights I went to El Flow. I like it there because it is mostly locals that hang there and party, not a lot of gringos and that is my preference. The music is extremely loud in El Flow because that is the way the locals like it, I don't like loud music but I tolerate it because if you want to imbibe yourself with the locals whether it is in their homes, barrios or in their clubs you have to get used to it. Girls were coming and going all night long and I pulled two absolute stunners out of there both nights. They had some kind of special going on there, a bucket of three Presidente Grandes on ice for 180 pesos and I got good and drunk on the cheap. Now keep in mind that I stayed there a good long time drinking and waiting for the right girl to come by. It is one of the only bars left where you can sit at a table outside on the sidewalk and check out what is walking by and what enters the bar and that is what I did. In the past the bar and the sidewalk would be packed with girls but now the girls are on the move but still plenty of girls coming and going just not in the numbers as before. I don't see the big deal with this and in fact I like it because I am not being harassed by any girls, just chillin' and drinking and waiting to pull the trigger when I see what I want, what the fuck is wrong with that?

Saturday was the bikini contest at New Garden. $20. US for guys which included free BBQ and all the cubre libres you could drink, I expected them to pour some shit rum but they were in fact pouring Brugal so it was a good deal for me as I like a good cubre libre the problem is a lot of bars pour garbage rum but not here. There were only four girls that entered the contest but there were at least 50 girls that showed up for the contest and I had a blast and grabbed a gorgeous Haitiana and we went up to my room, this girl was off the hook, all holes, BBBJCIMWS, you name it she did it, she wore me the fuck out. Yeah, Sosua is dead, WTF.

Sunday was the NFL playoffs so around noon I walked around scouting out where the best place to watch the games would be. I decided on Rumba bar, an excellent choice. They have 4 or 5 50" flat screens in the bar and they had set up a HUGE projection screen outside it had to be 12 feet across. During the Seattle-Green Bay game the place was dead but I knew things would pick up and by the time the Patriots-Jets game came on the place was rockin'. I hung with a bunch of brothers from D. C. And had a real fun time. Girls were coming in and out of there by the shitload and it was my new friends last night here so they were looking to score. One of the guys had his eyes on a cute girl with huge tits and he decided she was more important than the game and off they went. One of his buddies couldn't stop busting on him for missing part of the game to get his dick wet when a girl walked up to the table to say Hello, and when I tell you she was one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in the DR I'm not joking, no makeup on just pure beauty. 19 years old with a near perfect body. Well I knew I had to have her but I wanted to watch the game so I asked her for her number but she said she was heading back to Santiago where she goes to school so I didn't bother. Well the guy that was hating on his friend for going with a girl during the game couldn't resist himself, grabbed her and they disappeared for the rest of the night, I can't say I blamed him one bit as she was hot, hot, hot, hahaha. Once again, plenty of girls to choose from in all sizes and colors, something for everyone. Sosua is dying, the sky is falling and whatever other bullshit you want to believe.

Food choices:

New Garden's food has been good.

The place next to Terre Linda, Steak and? Sucked for the money.

The Waterfront, high end place with the best ambiance excellent food and high prices, if for some crazy reason if you want to try and impress a girl bring her here. Personally I didn't come here to impress anyone and ambiance doesn't mean shit to me here.

The best food, largest menu with fair prices is Brittania Club, just a short walk down Pedro Clisante. I have eaten here every day and it has been awesome.

I am scheduled to leave here tomorrow and head to BB's for 5 days but I just might cancel my reservation there and hang in Sosua for the remainder of my trip because well, it sucks here now.

As always all of this is just my opinion and YMMV.[/QUOTE]Good report Mani thanks. Sosuas slower pace seems to suit you well. Maybe thats the point in all this. Sosua is toned down but it still has value.

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1113434]Hey Guys,

I'm not much for trip reports because for the most part it's all been said before and I personally have the worst memory on the planet, haha. But due to the recent unintentional but misleading reporting (in my opinion) on the impending demise of "Our Sosua" I decided to take notes every day as best I could and report back to my fellow mongering brethren another side to the story.

First, I want to say that I do not mean to disrespect some of the members here that have written to say that Sosua is dead and have advised members to seek other venues but I think that is doing the membership a disservice to say the least and in my opinion bullshit. Yes, Sosua is morphing into a slightly different place but that is no reason to discourage people especially newbies not to come. If too many people are in fact discouraged to come and partake in our hobby then yes,"Our Sosua" will in fact die, but as of this writing Sosua is alive and well, just different. Yes there are less girls but if a guy can't find what he wants in a girl here in abundance still there is something wrong with him and he should find a different hobby. For the guys that have been coming here for awhile and remember the days of hundreds of girls all over the place then I guess it can be disappointing at first blush but one has to remember you only have one dick and in my opinion I just don't see what the difference is between 50 girls and 200 girls, I mean see'mon now how many girls does one need to look at to find one that meets one's criteria for crying out loud? I have been coming to the north shore of the DR for awhile now and have made at least 20 trips here and for me personally I hated going to Classico's and being molested to the point where girls wouldn't take no for an answer and the shoulder to shoulder crowded atmosphere of some of the bars. Outside of southeast Asia, Sosua still has one of the largest concentrations of working girls within a short walking distance of anywhere that I know of even at the reduced chica numbers.

I am staying at New Garden for my first time. Much has been written on this place over the years, I will give a quick take on it. I like the place, it is close to the action yet very quiet, I expected quite the opposite. There have been anywhere from 5 to 20 "pool girls" here every day, I have seen five ex Blackbeards girls here, Josey, Pamela, Dorca, and two whose names I can not remember. I did Josey back in her BB's days for one short romp about three years ago and whenever I see her she remembers my name I can't believe it. I haven't taken any girls here back to my room and probably won't as there are too many other girls around town. The food has been good and the rooms are nice, everything else that one needs to know about this place has been said on this board a thousand times so enough of that.

Most guys on this board use the scene at Classico's as a barometer of how things are going in Sosua. This is no longer a good way to judge the scene down here because many of the girls are moving around from place to place. I am not a late night guy and Classico's is a late night place so I can not report what it was like in there late at night and as I mentioned before I never liked it there in the first place.

My first two nights I went to El Flow. I like it there because it is mostly locals that hang there and party, not a lot of gringos and that is my preference. The music is extremely loud in El Flow because that is the way the locals like it, I don't like loud music but I tolerate it because if you want to imbibe yourself with the locals whether it is in their homes, barrios or in their clubs you have to get used to it. Girls were coming and going all night long and I pulled two absolute stunners out of there both nights. They had some kind of special going on there, a bucket of three Presidente Grandes on ice for 180 pesos and I got good and drunk on the cheap. Now keep in mind that I stayed there a good long time drinking and waiting for the right girl to come by. It is one of the only bars left where you can sit at a table outside on the sidewalk and check out what is walking by and what enters the bar and that is what I did. In the past the bar and the sidewalk would be packed with girls but now the girls are on the move but still plenty of girls coming and going just not in the numbers as before. I don't see the big deal with this and in fact I like it because I am not being harassed by any girls, just chillin' and drinking and waiting to pull the trigger when I see what I want, what the fuck is wrong with that?

Saturday was the bikini contest at New Garden. $20. US for guys which included free BBQ and all the cubre libres you could drink, I expected them to pour some shit rum but they were in fact pouring Brugal so it was a good deal for me as I like a good cubre libre the problem is a lot of bars pour garbage rum but not here. There were only four girls that entered the contest but there were at least 50 girls that showed up for the contest and I had a blast and grabbed a gorgeous Haitiana and we went up to my room, this girl was off the hook, all holes, BBBJCIMWS, you name it she did it, she wore me the fuck out. Yeah, Sosua is dead, WTF.

Sunday was the NFL playoffs so around noon I walked around scouting out where the best place to watch the games would be. I decided on Rumba bar, an excellent choice. They have 4 or 5 50" flat screens in the bar and they had set up a HUGE projection screen outside it had to be 12 feet across. During the Seattle-Green Bay game the place was dead but I knew things would pick up and by the time the Patriots-Jets game came on the place was rockin'. I hung with a bunch of brothers from D. C. And had a real fun time. Girls were coming in and out of there by the shitload and it was my new friends last night here so they were looking to score. One of the guys had his eyes on a cute girl with huge tits and he decided she was more important than the game and off they went. One of his buddies couldn't stop busting on him for missing part of the game to get his dick wet when a girl walked up to the table to say Hello, and when I tell you she was one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in the DR I'm not joking, no makeup on just pure beauty. 19 years old with a near perfect body. Well I knew I had to have her but I wanted to watch the game so I asked her for her number but she said she was heading back to Santiago where she goes to school so I didn't bother. Well the guy that was hating on his friend for going with a girl during the game couldn't resist himself, grabbed her and they disappeared for the rest of the night, I can't say I blamed him one bit as she was hot, hot, hot, hahaha. Once again, plenty of girls to choose from in all sizes and colors, something for everyone. Sosua is dying, the sky is falling and whatever other bullshit you want to believe.

Food choices:

New Garden's food has been good.

The place next to Terre Linda, Steak and? Sucked for the money.

The Waterfront, high end place with the best ambiance excellent food and high prices, if for some crazy reason if you want to try and impress a girl bring her here. Personally I didn't come here to impress anyone and ambiance doesn't mean shit to me here.

The best food, largest menu with fair prices is Brittania Club, just a short walk down Pedro Clisante. I have eaten here every day and it has been awesome.

I am scheduled to leave here tomorrow and head to BB's for 5 days but I just might cancel my reservation there and hang in Sosua for the remainder of my trip because well, it sucks here now.

As always all of this is just my opinion and YMMV. [/QUOTE]I don't want to steal his thunder, but to all the newbies out there Manizales911's word is as good as gold. We are only into the 3rd week of January, so it is possible that the previous "bad" reports were around a time frame in where nothing was really going on in Sosua. Hopefully as we get closer towards March we will see the same type of reports such as this one coming out. I might have to go ahead and do some "on the ground" investigative journalism in the coming months myself.

Stay tuned.

Thanks Manizales!

Hi guys, I am coming to the DR for about 3 weeks for the first time in 10 years on 31st January, and the last time was only for a week in Santo Domingo. So I am just about a DR novice. After a lot of trouble finding some reasonably priced tickets there from Europe, I have finally booked my flight out, but not yet my return, still checking prices and dates. Do you have to have a return flight in order to be allowed in the country, do they check for this at the airport?

I have been trawling through pages upon pages of the ISG in order to inform myself, but I still need to ask some questions as the DR threads are pretty overwhelming and go on forever. I am still hesitating where to stay at first on the north coast, an all inclusive for a week to begin with? Maybe BB's or New Garden hotel? How does the quality / reliability / prices of the New Garden girls compare to those at BB's, and is it a nice place to stay / relatively hassle free. I read a posting here saying the girls there try to inflate prices more than those at BB's, is this generally the case?

As an alternative to getting taxi's everywhere, or buses, what about renting a motorbike from a local, any possibilities to do this, do the police stop / check foreigners a lot? I remember last time I was there, I asked some young guy on his bike at Boca Chica, and he seemed quite interested in the idea. Or what about cycling / renting a bike, or is that too dangerous on the roads there?

I sent a few e-mails to apartment rentals from vrbo, and had a reply from The Palms. Sousa Vacation rentals, does anybody know it? Is it chica friendly? Another hotel which looks fairly interesting is Sousa by the Sea, same questions go for that one please! I would not mind staying in a nice all inclusive for the first week, but I suppose all of those in general are not chica friendly, am I right? Any advice for this DR virtual novice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers for now.

[QUOTE=Coupe66; 1113522]Hi guys, I am coming to the DR for about 3 weeks for the first time in 10 years on 31st January, and the last time was only for a week in Santo Domingo. So I am just about a DR novice. After a lot of trouble finding some reasonably priced tickets there from Europe, I have finally booked my flight out, but not yet my return, still checking prices and dates. Do you have to have a return flight in order to be allowed in the country, do they check for this at the airport?

I have been trawling through pages upon pages of the ISG in order to inform myself, but I still need to ask some questions as the DR threads are pretty overwhelming and go on forever. I am still hesitating where to stay at first on the north coast, an all inclusive for a week to begin with? Maybe BB's or New Garden hotel? How does the quality / reliability / prices of the New Garden girls compare to those at BB's, and is it a nice place to stay / relatively hassle free. I read a posting here saying the girls there try to inflate prices more than those at BB's, is this generally the case?

As an alternative to getting taxi's everywhere, or buses, what about renting a motorbike from a local, any possibilities to do this, do the police stop / check foreigners a lot? I remember last time I was there, I asked some young guy on his bike at Boca Chica, and he seemed quite interested in the idea. Or what about cycling / renting a bike, or is that too dangerous on the roads there?

I sent a few e-mails to apartment rentals from vrbo, and had a reply from The Palms. Sousa Vacation rentals, does anybody know it? Is it chica friendly? Another hotel which looks fairly interesting is Sousa by the Sea, same questions go for that one please! I would not mind staying in a nice all inclusive for the first week, but I suppose all of those in general are not chica friendly, am I right? Any advice for this DR virtual novice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers for now.[/QUOTE]BB's without a doubt! I just got to Sosua from BB's. Hung out at NG last 2 days and no question. BB or bus. Enjoy a few days there maybe 4-6 days. I overdid it at 9! I am now in Sosua and w / o A DOUBT the BB gals over NG gals. Only my opinion, I'm sure others have theirs. I am enjoying Sosua street scene though.

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1113434]I'm not much for trip reports because for the most part it's all been said before and I personally have the worst memory on the planet, haha. But due to the recent unintentional but misleading reporting (in my opinion) on the impending demise of "Our Sosua" I decided to take notes every day as best I could and report back to my fellow mongering brethren another side to the story.

Once again, plenty of girls to choose from in all sizes and colors, something for everyone. Sosua is dying, the sky is falling and whatever other bullshit you want to believe. [/QUOTE]Thank you Manizales!

Your report sounds promising. I will be at the New Garden this Friday for 5 nights and looking forward to seeing the difference since I was there in November. I have some phone numbers from the last trip in case I need back-ups. Herman has a phone full of numbers as well. Anyone else there this weekend, the first 2-3 rounds are on me.

[QUOTE=Coupe66; 1113522]Hi guys, I am coming to the DR for about 3 weeks for the first time in 10 years on 31st January, and the last time was only for a week in Santo Domingo. So I am just about a DR novice. After a lot of trouble finding some reasonably priced tickets there from Europe, I have finally booked my flight out, but not yet my return, still checking prices and dates. Do you have to have a return flight in order to be allowed in the country, do they check for this at the airport?

I have been trawling through pages upon pages of the ISG in order to inform myself, but I still need to ask some questions as the DR threads are pretty overwhelming and go on forever. I am still hesitating where to stay at first on the north coast, an all inclusive for a week to begin with? Maybe BB's or New Garden hotel? How does the quality / reliability / prices of the New Garden girls compare to those at BB's, and is it a nice place to stay / relatively hassle free. I read a posting here saying the girls there try to inflate prices more than those at BB's, is this generally the case?

As an alternative to getting taxi's everywhere, or buses, what about renting a motorbike from a local, any possibilities to do this, do the police stop / check foreigners a lot? I remember last time I was there, I asked some young guy on his bike at Boca Chica, and he seemed quite interested in the idea. Or what about cycling / renting a bike, or is that too dangerous on the roads there?

I sent a few e-mails to apartment rentals from vrbo, and had a reply from The Palms. Sousa Vacation rentals, does anybody know it? Is it chica friendly? Another hotel which looks fairly interesting is Sousa by the Sea, same questions go for that one please! I would not mind staying in a nice all inclusive for the first week, but I suppose all of those in general are not chica friendly, am I right? Any advice for this DR virtual novice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers for now. [/QUOTE]The Palms Condominiums, I stayed at one trip and would never stay there again. Place seemed to be for the use and enjoyment of older Canadian who were with their younger Dominican boyfriends. I was told by the female Canadian property manager that I was forbidden to take Dominican chicas to the pool. I saw older Canadian women in the pool with their much younger Dominican boyfriends. I received a nasty handwritten note one morning in the Palms apartment that I had rented informing me that I made too much noise the night before and if there was any more noise they would throw me out with no refund of the money all ready paid. My wingman and I had sat on the terrace / balcony the night before at around 9pm with two Dominican chicas (some Dominican chicas talk loud and laugh loud) , there was no extreme noise and I was threatened with eviction, as such I would never stay at the Palms Condominium complex that is located past the Tradewinds Condominium complex.

Tradewinds is a nicer Condominium complex, the pool is much nicer and when I stayed at the Tradewinds no one ever broke my balls about anything. You might be able to reserve an apartment through Rockys for the Tradewinds. Tradewinds is not in the center of Sosua.

El Neptuno has nice apartments. Blue Bayou is nice; [url]http://www.bluebayouatsosua.com/[/url]

I always rent a car. For me to rent a motor bike, I would have to worry about the bike getting stolen. There are places in Sosua that rent motorbikes. Roads are generally in good condition, driving at night on an unknown road, I would be extremely careful, I have read of missing manhole covers on the road between sosua and cabarete.

Entering the Dom Rep, the Dominican government does not check if you have a return ticket. As long as you are in DR spending your money the DR government is happy.

Blackbeards prices are set for short time and all night. Sosua chicas are freelancers and are therefore free to make their own prices. A hotter looking chica can usually get away with asking for more money. Sosua has Passions Massage and CMP, two places with chicas on site, with rooms on site. At Passions you can pay to take the chicas out, probably also at CMP. Passions has a webpage with photos and Blackbeards has a newsletter with photos.

Sosua by the Sea, cute hotel that is not chica friendly. Casa Marina is the cheapest all inclusive hotel in Sosua. If you wanted the comfort of an all inclusive for the beginning part of your trip you could stay at casa marina for a period of time and rent a second room to use for sex.

New Garden, Terra Linda, Residence D'Piero get good reviews, this site has about 47 different places to stay in and around Sosua: [url]http://www.hotel-dominican-republic.net/liste.php?sub=&choix_ville=57001&regions=0&choix_type=0&etoiles=&client_prix_mini=mini&client_prix_maxi=maxi&devise=1&submit2=SEARCH[/url]

Just got back from Belky's getting my 300 peso BJ. Relaxed now.

Walked around all day. Alot of gals out. I don't know the scene beforehand, but IMHO girls are still everywhere. Me and another BM walked around and found a different Suck shack along the side street of Belky's. A gal was sitting along sidewalk asking if we were interested in massages. We inquired and found out a BJ was indeed available.

Talked to a gal in a corner bar who yelled at me and said she would wait. Be it it was only 4pm.

May get back to Sosua sooner than later.

[QUOTE=Kitie Carson; 1113552]Just got back from Belky's getting my 300 peso BJ. Relaxed now.

Walked around all day. Alot of gals out. I don't know the scene beforehand, but IMHO girls are still everywhere. [/QUOTE]Where was this where there was "Alot of gals out" and everywhere? Also, what time of day was it?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1113564]Where was this where there was "Alot of gals out" and everywhere? Also, what time of day was it?[/QUOTE]Like I said, I don't know what Sosua was like before, So alot of gals out may not be as you know. Walking down strip, in side bars, suck shacks. Road to NG. This was between 11-4pm.

[QUOTE=Kitie Carson; 1113552]Just got back from Belky's getting my 300 peso BJ. Relaxed now.

Walked around all day. Alot of gals out. I don't know the scene beforehand, but IMHO girls are still everywhere. Me and another BM walked around and found a different Suck shack along the side street of Belky's. A gal was sitting along sidewalk asking if we were interested in massages. We inquired and found out a BJ was indeed available.

Talked to a gal in a corner bar who yelled at me and said she would wait. Be it it was only 4pm.

May get back to Sosua sooner than later.[/QUOTE]Where the hell is Belky's? I want a 8 dollar blowjob.

As I started getting back to reading the forum in December, that was the idea that I had in the back of my head-that the "drought" was probably more due to the holiday season than other factors. I'm not on the ground, so I don't discount reports from those that are who report on arrests and other government crackdowns, but, I guess, knowing what I know about the DR, I am more optimistic than pessimistic about the future of our hobby in Sosua. Another question, which I also asked on the POP forum was, have girls migrated from Sosua to Puerto Plata in the wake of the crackdown in Sosua?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1113461]Manizales911's word is as good as gold. We are only into the 3rd week of January, so it is possible that the previous "bad" reports were around a time frame in where nothing was really going on in Sosua. Hopefully as we get closer towards March we will see the same type of reports such as this one coming out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kitie Carson;1113574]Like I said, I don't know what Sosua was like before, So alot of gals out may not be as you know. Walking down strip, in side bars, suck shacks. Road to NG. This was between 11-4pm.[/QUOTE]True it wouldn't be like "before", but any number of girls walking around during the day (now) would be significant considering the rules were that any chicas walking around during the day unescorted would be locked up.

Can anyone else there on the ground confirm this (chicas out and about during daylight hours)?

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1113695]True it wouldn't be like "before", but any number of girls walking around during the day (now) would be significant considering the rules were that any chicas walking around during the day unescorted would be locked up.

Can anyone else there on the ground confirm this (chicas out and about during daylight hours)? [/QUOTE]A fraction of the past.

Located in front of Shark Bar and Secrets. Avoid!

[QUOTE=Sidney;1113826]Located in front of Shark Bar and Secrets. Avoid![/QUOTE]Stopping tourists? For what?

[QUOTE=Sidney;1113826]Located in front of Shark Bar and Secrets. Avoid![/QUOTE]Sidney,

I don't know what your motivation is in trying to scare off the members from coming to Sosua but I am calling BULLSHIT on this one. Yes, they are issuing tickets to tourists, tourists who are parking ILLEGALLY. This is a good thing as people park wherever they want sometimes and cause serious traffic problems in Sosua, the streets are to narrow to park on both sides of the street.

FYI. They are issuing tickets to both locals AND tourists equal handidly from what I saw, how the fuck would they know a tourists car from a locals car?

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1113583]Where the hell is Belky's? I want a 8 dollar blowjob.[/QUOTE]Going out of New Garden hotel, turn to your right and walk to the crossroads. As you stand there with Casa Marina down the road to your right, look straight ahead and the woman waving at you from the other side of the street will be Belki or one of her assistant hairstylist and masseuses. Just cross the road, go straight for 20 meters, and they will rope you in. Belki is an older woman. You can fuck her if you want, or her assistants, or do whatever you want in the massage room. No great lookers here, but handy if you want a quickie at 8:00 a.m.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1113828]Stopping tourists? For what?[/QUOTE]When I was there last week the cops were set up on the corner of PC and Rosen.

I gather they were pulling over motorconcho guys with their passengers and issuing tickets for operating without a helmet. (and whatever else they could dream up, checking I'd etc.) Although the law seems to only be for the driver, there were some pretty pissed tourist couples, being escorted up the street to the paddy wagon for futher interrogation.

Also outside they police station near the Texaco, they were doing a roaring business stopping cars and motoconchos, seemingly at random. The station parking lot was like a cattle yard with all the sad faces lined up.

I felt a twinge of sorrow for them. Flashback to Nassau in the 80s. In those days the coastguard was routinely turning back boatloads of Haitian refugees, and I was walking over the bridge to Paradise Island. There was a 20 foot open boat with what seemed like 100 Hatians with only room to stand had tried to land during the night. The broken down boat was squalid, full of filthy garbage and meagre possessions, with only a pile of bananas for food.

Now Nassau must be 500 miles from Haiti, and the thought of the desperation these folks must feel to even attempt such a journey shook me profoundly.

As I walked by, a young bedraggled beauty holding on to a baby looked me straight in the eye, with a pleading I will never forget.

So, I could never disrespect a puta for doing what she has to do to get by.

Matter of fact, in some way, my novia is that young woman.

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1113945]When I was there last week the cops were set up on the corner of PC and Rosen.

I gather they were pulling over motorconcho guys with their passengers and issuing tickets for operating without a helmet. (and whatever else they could dream up, checking I'd etc.) Although the law seems to only be for the driver, there were some pretty pissed tourist couples, being escorted up the street to the paddy wagon for futher interrogation.

[/QUOTE]This sounds like tourist harassment, God knows what they can cook up for you on top of helmet fine. I think you are suppose to carry your passport as a foreigner in DR, if I'm not mistaken (like some other countries). That could be even a bigger fine or even luck-up till you can produce it.

What a pain, do they just want to get rid of all tourists (not just mongers) with this kind of behaviour. I don't think even ex-pats (who supported police / puta crackdown) would like these kinds of hassle. RIP Soswer.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin; 1114234]This sounds like tourist harassment, God knows what they can cook up for you on top of helmet fine. I think you are suppose to carry your passport as a foreigner in DR, if I'm not mistaken (like some other countries). That could be even a bigger fine or even luck-up till you can produce it.

What a pain, do they just want to get rid of all tourists (not just mongers) with this kind of behaviour. I don't think even ex-pats (who supported police / puta crackdown) would like these kinds of hassle. RIP Soswer.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but I'm calling "you don't know what you're talking about". I saw the cops, they are giving out tickets to people breaking the fucking law, tourists and locals alike. Illegal parking and not wearing a helmet on a moto or scooter, that's what I saw. They have no reason to run the tourists out of town for christsakes see'mon now, WTF. Think before you write.

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1113890]Sidney,

I don't know what your motivation is in trying to scare off the members from coming to Sosua but I am calling BULLSHIT on this one. Yes, they are issuing tickets to tourists, tourists who are parking ILLEGALLY. This is a good thing as people park wherever they want sometimes and cause serious traffic problems in Sosua, the streets are to narrow to park on both sides of the street.

FYI. They are issuing tickets to both locals AND tourists equal handidly from what I saw, how the fuck would they know a tourists car from a locals car? [/QUOTE]The only motivation is to alert you and all others to avoid the area and not get a ticket.

I am trying to get a vibe of Sousa now and in the next months.

Lots of negative reports.

Should I be considering Costa Rica.

Any thoughts.

[QUOTE=Book7777; 1114288]I am trying to get a vibe of Sousa now and in the next months.

Lots of negative reports.

Should I be considering Costa Rica.

Any thoughts[/QUOTE]Have you been reading what Manizales911 been reporting. Seriously pay the negative report no nevermind. Translation, get your ass down to Sosua and enjoy all that heavenly glory! Hell if doomsday come to sosua you still have BB and other places as well. Trust me you'll have a good time.

My count down to I'm back in the promise land: 172days. 4hours. 28mins and 19secs give or take a second or two

[QUOTE=Sidney;1114245]The only motivation is to alert you and all others to avoid the area and not get a ticket.[/QUOTE]Wear your seat belt, do not talk on your cell, carry your drivers license, have the proper documentation in your vehicle, stop at red lights. Its simple Sidney, abide by the laws of the country you are an illegal guest in and you do not need to avoid any streets in Sosua. Seems so simple to me but then you would not have anything negative to report on.

Sidney, you post on at least three different boards and on each one you are critisised for your negativity. Lighten up my friend.

[QUOTE=Llttf;1114366]Wear your seat belt, do not talk on your cell, carry your drivers license, have the proper documentation in your vehicle, stop at red lights. Its simple Sidney, abide by the laws of the country you are an illegal guest in and you do not need to avoid any streets in Sosua. Seems so simple to me but then you would not have anything negative to report on.[/QUOTE]Exactly, I couldn't have said it better myself. I was all over this town for ten days guess what Sidney? NO TICKETS, just a very sore dick, hahaha.

Some people come here thinking because it is a third world country they can do what the fuck they want and in some aspects this is true but show the police a lack of respect and / or don't follow the rules and you can find yourself in a heap of trouble fast and I for one don't feel bad for these people.

"got shaken down though. police pulled me over on my scooter for not wearing my helmet, they were on pedro clisante and not on the main road above were they usually hang out. i tried everything."no speakey spanish, i know the police sergeant, i'm a tourist who has been coming down for 8 years", blah blah blah, the guy wouldn't budge he wanted to be greased no matter what. he threatened to confirep001e my moto. so while filling out the "official" paper work i asked him what was the process he said that i needed to go to some bank and wait in line and pay this shit then return to the police station with the paid receipt. i then told him "how about i just give it to you and you drop the money off" he said "ok" i gave him the money and the "official infraction" went into a rain puddle in the water and my 1000 pesos went into his pocket.

if they start hassling tourists as a norm over there to get greased for petty bullshit i will not be returning for this was my first run in with the law in 8 years. this practice will only hurt the tourism business in the end. you can't imagine how many poor motoconch drivers are so upset with the policia and transito there."

i was in sosua last september and the police was trying to shake me down for money. one of the chicas said i owed her money and called a street cop on me. i obviously refused to pay. the police eventually tried to make a false allegation against me. once we arrived to the hotel (which they tried to prevent) , their story unraveled. another individual, whom i happen to know, who was involved with the chica ended up paying 2000 pesos (which the police did not give to the chica but instead pocketed). i squeezed out of it and was surprised since this is the first time that i've had problems with the police (i've been going to the dr for many years!) later i talked to three of the security in and around the hotel and even they said that the police was wrong in harassing me. one was from a hotel across the street and he told the police on my behalf that the only thing i did was walk the streets, bothering noone.

another monger was staying at the europa and was driving towards cabarete. the police stopped him since they claim that he did not have a seat belt on. my friend was surprised given that he has never previously had problems driving in the dr. i explained to him that the police was looking for a handout. my friend did not have his driver's license so they confirep001ed his car until he could produce one. he returned to the europa and the owner diego said that the police was simply shaking him down and that he should give the police a copy (with diego's card from the europa! diego knows the commandant!) , not an original, driver's license (which the police sometimes will take and never give back!)

one of my friends explained to me that the new mayor has given police more freedom in dealing with tourists.

stopping someone for riding a motoconcho and not wearing a helmet is absurd. most of the time the locals do not bother wearing helmets scooting around (whether it is the law or not. just look around.). this is not the first time i've heard and know of the police doing this.

i know of several expatriates who live down there saying that many times they would see police along the side of the road. they stop to ask the police what happened and the cops were just stopping people and trying to get money. after a while the expatriates would see the police along the side of the road and the expatriates would simply drive by.

sometime last year the police arrested the young haitian worker from terra linda, for no apparent reason. the owner had to go and bail him out (while at the same time making a complaint to the former commandant, to see what action could be taken against the police). there have been an occasion or two where the police has tried to enter terra linda and the owner had to warn them about harassing their clients.

for the most part my last stay was peaceful and i only had problems with the police once but it did put a damper on my vacation. i still enjoyed it but one has to be careful. it is not just about breaking the laws and the police correcting you. it is also about dealing with corruption. i am guessing that this is common in 3rd world nations.

Hello anyone,

I am interested in going to Sousa for vacation. But, I don't know which city in DR it is in. Is there an international airport close by? Can anyone help me with this, I have heard many good bar with many girls in Sousa.

Please help. Thank you

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1114374]Exactly, I couldn't have said it better myself. I was all over this town for ten days guess what Sidney? NO TICKETS, just a very sore dick, hahaha.

Some people come here thinking because it is a third world country they can do what the fuck they want and in some aspects this is true but show the police a lack of respect and / or don't follow the rules and you can find yourself in a heap of trouble fast and I for one don't feel bad for these people.[/QUOTE]Mani I will always respect you and consider you a friend. But I'm sure you remember the "old Sosua" and the free fall it was. Now the watered down Sosua is reality. But most streets including outside the NG are one way with cars parked on both sides. And I never have seen an accident even with half naked chicas walking the streets. I've even parked the wrong way on one way streets with no problems. The posts here now adays are about changes in Sosua and they are much needed. But where does it STOP. Is the next thing a dress code (no flip flops and tank tops at night) or how about DUI checks outside of El flow at 10pm? Pestering tourists about parking is just the Policia trying to make up for the lost revenue lost because there are no more girls to shakedown. It sounds like guys want to be fucking the same 10 chicas paying100usd. No GFE because the girls are limited. And having bullshit laws enforced that before were never enforced. Before it was no respect for the mongerer but now everyday tourist are harrassed? The corrupt ass Policia want to enforce PARKING and thats acceptable? I won't say thats BULLSHIT because I respect what your saying even though I don't agree that it right.

Was there pre-Christmas for 5 days and I got to say that place is heaven on earth. Was kinda scared first because of the negative reports I read regarding the crackdown.

Found nice chicks at NG, the beach, classicos and never paid more than 1000-1500p. A few times even nothing (and I don't even speak spanish).

Maybe it was better a few years ago but for any newbie like me it was already more than I could handle. I was so exausted after 5 days, I felt like I never needed sex again in my life.

Besides that I liked the beach, the food and the overall relaxing vibe of the town.

Definitely going to come back!

And thanks for all the previous reports, helped a lot.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1114238]I'm sorry but I'm calling "you don't know what you're talking about". I saw the cops, they are giving out tickets to people breaking the fucking law, tourists and locals alike. Illegal parking and not wearing a helmet on a moto or scooter, that's what I saw. They have no reason to run the tourists out of town for christsakes see'mon now, WTF. Think before you write.[/QUOTE]Hey guys, chill. Remember, this is not the PR Dept. Of the Chamber of Commerce for Sosua.

There's room here for ALL opinions, both positive AND negative.

For me personally, I love Sosua. I feel absolutely safe, comfortable and at home there. Never been ripped off by a hustler, chica or the cops, but I have met a couple of guys who have.

But if it happens on my 10th trip, esta la vida. I'll accept it as part of the tarrif, pay a few mil pesos and move on.

Basically if you follow the rules of the game, which have been posted here ad infinitum, you'll be OK.

Lock your shit in the room safe.

Obey the law.

Drink, but never get drunk with strangers.

Carry copy of your I'd. And if you're paranoid. 2 mil peso in your shoe.

If you get ripped off by a cop, a chica, or a bar tab, state your case quietly, make a deal and get outa there! You're not Mr Deeds who's going to right all the wrongs in a third world town in one week. Move on!

And NEVER try the rip off yourself, they do it better!

There's all kinds of mongers and all kinds of ways that they behave. I see some who are asking for trouble and before the week's out they usually get it.

The warnings are for these folks. Useful info for newbies.

For the rest of us "we don't need no f*ng warnings"

'cause we're in Chica Paradiso.

[QUOTE=Rodney Pryce; 1114451]Was there pre-Christmas for 5 days and I got to say that place is heaven on earth. Was kinda scared first because of the negative reports I read regarding the crackdown.

Found nice chicks at NG, the beach, classicos and never paid more than 1000-1500p. A few times even nothing (and I don't even speak spanish).

Maybe it was better a few years ago but for any newbie like me it was already more than I could handle. I was so exausted after 5 days, I felt like I never needed sex again in my life.

Besides that I liked the beach, the food and the overall relaxing vibe of the town.

Definitely going to come back!

And thanks for all the previous reports, helped a lot. [/QUOTE]Thanks for stopping by and reporting the good news! Looks like we've been getting a string of good reports coming in lately. Too bad they've only begun to arrive after I've decided I'm checking out two other countries this year. But for everyone else, carry on smartly!

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1114458]Hey guys, chill. Remember, this is not the PR Dept. Of the Chamber of Commerce for Sosua.

There's room here for ALL opinions, both positive AND negative.

For me personally, I love Sosua. I feel absolutely safe, comfortable and at home there. Never been ripped off by a hustler, chica or the cops, but I have met a couple of guys who have.

But if it happens on my 10th trip, esta la vida. I'll accept it as part of the tarrif, pay a few mil pesos and move on.

Basically if you follow the rules of the game, which have been posted here ad infinitum, you'll be OK.

Lock your shit in the room safe.

Obey the law.

Drink, but never get drunk with strangers.

Carry copy of your I'd. And if you're paranoid. 2 mil peso in your shoe.

If you get ripped off by a cop, a chica, or a bar tab, state your case quietly, make a deal and get outa there! You're not Mr Deeds who's going to right all the wrongs in a third world town in one week. Move on!

And NEVER try the rip off yourself, they do it better!

There's all kinds of mongers and all kinds of ways that they behave. I see some who are asking for trouble and before the week's out they usually get it.

The warnings are for these folks. Useful info for newbies.

For the rest of us "we don't need no f*ng warnings"

'cause we're in Chica Paradiso. [/QUOTE]Thank you!

[QUOTE=Rodney Pryce;1114451]...I was so exausted after 5 days, I felt like I never needed sex again in my life.[/QUOTE]Slap yourself for even suggesting such a silly thing! Hahaha, great quote; glad you had fun.

Rodeo

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1114238]I'm sorry but I'm calling "you don't know what you're talking about". I saw the cops, they are giving out tickets to people breaking the fucking law, tourists and locals alike. Illegal parking and not wearing a helmet on a moto or scooter, that's what I saw. They have no reason to run the tourists out of town for christsakes see'mon now, WTF. Think before you write.[/QUOTE]Well, you seem to completely missed the post and did not read the quote I included. I was just commenting on what Oakie wrote. I was NEVER there! Here it is for your attention again:

-=- Originally Posted by Oakie

When I was there last week the cops were set up on the corner of PC and Rosen.

I gather they were pulling over motorconcho guys with their passengers and issuing tickets for operating without a helmet. (and whatever else they could dream up, checking I'd etc.) Although the law seems to only be for the driver, there were some pretty pissed tourist couples, being escorted up the street to the paddy wagon for futher interrogation-=-




So cops ripping off tourists who are passengers on the back of motos is OK with you! Since when you saw motos offer helmet to their passengers, and when was the last time you saw a moto passenger wearing a helmet.

I guess from now on you don't get on the back of a moto without a helmet in Sosua! What a model citizen / tourist you are! Not sure if I want to visit a town full of such law-abiding guys like you.

And what's this about you banging the advertising drums for Sosua, if you have any financial interest there, I've got a piece of advice for you,"Get out now", before shit hit the fan.

[QUOTE=Coolie High;1114335]................My count down to I'm back in the promise land: 172days. 4hours. 28mins and 19secs give or take a second or two[/QUOTE]Damn, that's a long time to wait to read your trip report. I hope you have a great trip like you did the last time.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin; 1114664]Well, you seem to completely missed the post and did not read the quote I included. I was just commenting on what Oakie wrote. I was NEVER there! Here it is for your attention again:

-=- Originally Posted by Oakie

When I was there last week the cops were set up on the corner of PC and Rosen.

I gather they were pulling over motorconcho guys with their passengers and issuing tickets for operating without a helmet. (and whatever else they could dream up, checking I'd etc.) Although the law seems to only be for the driver, there were some pretty pissed tourist couples, being escorted up the street to the paddy wagon for futher interrogation-=-

So cops ripping off tourists who are passengers on the back of motos is OK with you! Since when you saw motos offer helmet to their passengers, and when was the last time you saw a moto passenger wearing a helmet.

I guess from now on you don't get on the back of a moto without a helmet in Sosua! What a model citizen / tourist you are! Not sure if I want to visit a town full of such law-abiding guys like you.

And what's this about you banging the advertising drums for Sosua, if you have any financial interest there, I've got a piece of advice for you,"Get out now", before shit hit the fan. [/QUOTE]Financial interest in Sosua? Hahaha, Hardly. I didn't retire at the ripe old age of 43 by being stupid.

Just got back from Sosua. 12-18 Jan 2011. Had a great time, as always, but I have to admit the scene is much quieter and less choices available than before. This is about my 7th or 8th trip there, so no newbie.

I stay at the Sosua Bay Beach Club (mongering section of Sosua Bay Hotel) and it was perfect, as always. $50 bucks a night, great facilities, free wifi in the lounge, free breakfast included, great security and very quiet and chica friendly. Perfect hotel.

Diving everyday with Superior Dive Shop located right in the hotel. GREAT dive shop, super staff, dive guides etc. I dive twice every morning on the wreck and the reefs. Great visibility on this trip. Nearly 100 ft every day. Get to shoot lionfish every day, too, which is a great sport! I highly recommend this place, especially if you want to just try it out or even get certified while you are in town. Great prices for diving and instruction.

Certainly less chicas in the various bars and the streets; evening spots don't fill up till after 10 pm; I tend to collect phone numbers and / or make play dates for the next day, since I'm not much of a late night mongering guy. Works better for me altho the girls are often late or occasionally no shows. Comes with the territory. Got a couple regulars I like to see and that helps with reliability.

I think the overall service from most of the chicas is average to poor. Lots of no kissing rules. I'm relatively good looking and am in great physical shape from working out so that isn't the problem; think that's just the way it is. Best service from me came from a slightly less attractive and hefty chica I met at Calypso hotel who really put her heart iinto the effort. One of the best BBBJs I've had in a long time. A diamond in the rough.

As depressed as things are, the chicas still start off asking 2000 RD which is a joke, but I usually get them down to 1500 RD, and insist on "dos veces" (two times) per hour, usually not a problem.

I tried La Passions one day just for fun, and it is a nice place, RD2500 for full service, but the service is as uninspired as any new chica on the street, so no bargain there.

Overall, a good trip, nice weather, great to be out of the freeezing snow packed midwest. Still the closest mongering spot for me, but Sosua doesn't hold a candle to Thailand (been there three times) or Rio (just from what I've read).

I'll be back!

Recent pics in the pics section

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs;1114666]Damn, that's a long time to wait to read your trip report. I hope you have a great trip like you did the last time.[/QUOTE]Yeah I know but I promise my trip report is going to be detail and fun to read like last time. This time I'm going to Haiti first and chill with Badbear and then make my way to DR. I'm going to hit the barrios and find me two sisters and a mother and daughter tag team. So until then I'm just stacking my chips and being cool.

Priceless! Don't be one of those guys that has to argue you point or have to win all the time. Who needs the stress! Of course its not right to get fuck; but what are we do'and to the chicas? HMMMMMM?

[QUOTE=Sidney;1114561]Thank you![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Oakie; 1114458]Hey guys, chill. Remember, this is not the PR Dept. Of the Chamber of Commerce for Sosua.

There's room here for ALL opinions, both positive AND negative.

For me personally, I love Sosua. I feel absolutely safe, comfortable and at home there. Never been ripped off by a hustler, chica or the cops, but I have met a couple of guys who have.

But if it happens on my 10th trip, esta la vida. I'll accept it as part of the tarrif, pay a few mil pesos and move on.

Basically if you follow the rules of the game, which have been posted here ad infinitum, you'll be OK.

Lock your shit in the room safe.

Obey the law.

Drink, but never get drunk with strangers.

Carry copy of your I'd. And if you're paranoid. 2 mil peso in your shoe.

If you get ripped off by a cop, a chica, or a bar tab, state your case quietly, make a deal and get outa there! You're not Mr Deeds who's going to right all the wrongs in a third world town in one week. Move on!

And NEVER try the rip off yourself, they do it better!

There's all kinds of mongers and all kinds of ways that they behave. I see some who are asking for trouble and before the week's out they usually get it.

The warnings are for these folks. Useful info for newbies.

For the rest of us "we don't need no f*ng warnings"

'cause we're in Chica Paradiso.[/QUOTE]

Got this from another board's Sosua forum (thanks to wolf67 on that site) :

If there had still been needed a proof that the new mayor of Sosua has completely gone nuts, here it is:

The municipal administration is seriously discussing a plan to create a red light district ("Zona de Tolerancia") for Sosua. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6z8i095Nw[/url]

Wolf67 says: "As you can see in the video, the plan is completely out of touch with reality. The new red light district is planned at some remote land, away from the Pedro Clisante street, which the ADSS and the mayor want to reserve for their different clientèle together with the beach.

May be the whole project is just some kind of distraction in order to silence the business owners who don't like the new changes in town and is not to be meant to become a reality at all. However the whole idea is the most stupid thing I have heard for a long time.

Sosua already had a red light district, which was from Classico to the Bar of Fat Hermann. What good is such an idiotic new project? This mayor really knows how to ruin the economy of a town."

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1114458]Hey guys, chill. Remember, this is not the PR Dept. Of the Chamber of Commerce for Sosua.

There's room here for ALL opinions, both positive AND negative.

For me personally, I love Sosua. I feel absolutely safe, comfortable and at home there. Never been ripped off by a hustler, chica or the cops, but I have met a couple of guys who have.

But if it happens on my 10th trip, esta la vida. I'll accept it as part of the tarrif, pay a few mil pesos and move on.

Basically if you follow the rules of the game, which have been posted here ad infinitum, you'll be OK.

Lock your shit in the room safe.

Obey the law.

Drink, but never get drunk with strangers.

Carry copy of your I'd. And if you're paranoid. 2 mil peso in your shoe.

If you get ripped off by a cop, a chica, or a bar tab, state your case quietly, make a deal and get outa there! You're not Mr Deeds who's going to right all the wrongs in a third world town in one week. Move on!

And NEVER try the rip off yourself, they do it better!

There's all kinds of mongers and all kinds of ways that they behave. I see some who are asking for trouble and before the week's out they usually get it.

The warnings are for these folks. Useful info for newbies.

For the rest of us "we don't need no f*ng warnings"

'cause we're in Chica Paradiso. [/QUOTE]Like the idea of the 2 mil in your shoe, never know when you might be kidnapped!

[QUOTE=Panman; 1106288]The lifestyle rate is true, but that price probably gets you the basic hotel accommodation, nothing fancy or close to VIP service. Meals cost $10 each they're not included. Their cheapest timeshare is somewhere around $18k, which they wrongly advertise that anyone you know can use it and receive the same services as the owner. The whole place is built around a caste system in which you are worth the color bracelet you wear. Some of the negative reviews in this link tell the real story:

[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147290-d647825-r89914356-Lifestyle_Crown_Villas-Puerto_Plata_Dominican_Republic.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT[/url][/QUOTE]USA Today had an article on page 4D today, January 21, about the resort. $28 / night!

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PP,

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1114990]Got this from another board's Sosua forum (thanks to wolf67 on that site) :

If there had still been needed a proof that the new mayor of Sosua has completely gone nuts, here it is:

The municipal administration is seriously discussing a plan to create a red light district ("Zona de Tolerancia") for Sosua.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6z8i095Nw[/url]

Wolf67 says: "As you can see in the video, the plan is completely out of touch with reality. The new red light district is planned at some remote land, away from the Pedro Clisante street, which the ADSS and the mayor want to reserve for their different clientèle together with the beach.

May be the whole project is just some kind of distraction in order to silence the business owners who don't like the new changes in town and is not to be meant to become a reality at all. However the whole idea is the most stupid thing I have heard for a long time.

Sosua already had a red light district, which was from Classico to the Bar of Fat Hermann. What good is such an idiotic new project? This mayor really knows how to ruin the economy of a town."[/QUOTE]Whats funny is the 1970 studio 54 music instead of Spanish music. This tells me that production was probaly made by an American developer for American clientele. Maybe people realize that the free spending mongerers monies shouldn't be discarded.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1114990]Got this from another board's Sosua forum (thanks to wolf67 on that site) :

If there had still been needed a proof that the new mayor of Sosua has completely gone nuts, here it is:

The municipal administration is seriously discussing a plan to create a red light district ("Zona de Tolerancia") for Sosua.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6z8i095Nw[/url]

Wolf67 says: "As you can see in the video, the plan is completely out of touch with reality. The new red light district is planned at some remote land, away from the Pedro Clisante street, which the ADSS and the mayor want to reserve for their different clientèle together with the beach.

May be the whole project is just some kind of distraction in order to silence the business owners who don't like the new changes in town and is not to be meant to become a reality at all. However the whole idea is the most stupid thing I have heard for a long time.

Sosua already had a red light district, which was from Classico to the Bar of Fat Hermann. What good is such an idiotic new project? This mayor really knows how to ruin the economy of a town."[/QUOTE]Maybe she read my "Business Plan" post, LOL. I am on my iPhone so it would take me forever to find the link to my posting (if anyone wants to find it for me there are photos attached of chicas to that post. I posted it in December) but I suggested that if there was anyone with money or access to someone with money that they should set up a "Merengue / Classicos" on the outskirts of Sosua (between Sosua and Playa Dorada). In the beginning everyone speculated that the crackdown was due in part to developers wanting to turn Sosua into a family friendly beach town. I suggested that if someone was to take up my plan then it should be set up somewhere that would not even in the slightest lend itself to tourism (like having a beach). We could still use Sosua as home base as long as the hotels remained chica friendly. Plus, upon exiting the airport the "family friendly" crowd would be going one way (towards Sosua) and we would be going in the opposite direction towards out new hideout.

Incidentally, FOD folded before the crackdown, but I bet the place would be teaming with all sorts of business post-crackdown (but Manizales said the place is now closed to the public. Seems like some high rollers are occupying the place now) because I am positive that there are chicas who would rather make their money during the day rather than having to wait until after 10pm. And there are some that want to work from sun up to sun down, but the current climate in Sosua doesn't allow for that.

I have never been to Thailand, but if the Redlight district has worked there for so long (Soi Cowboy?) then she (the Mayor) may be on to something.

Okay, I guess I'll watch the video from your posting now, LOL.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1114990]Got this from another board's Sosua forum (thanks to wolf67 on that site) :

If there had still been needed a proof that the new mayor of Sosua has completely gone nuts, here it is:

The municipal administration is seriously discussing a plan to create a red light district ("Zona de Tolerancia") for Sosua.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6z8i095Nw[/url]

Wolf67 says: "As you can see in the video, the plan is completely out of touch with reality. The new red light district is planned at some remote land, away from the Pedro Clisante street, which the ADSS and the mayor want to reserve for their different clientèle together with the beach.

May be the whole project is just some kind of distraction in order to silence the business owners who don't like the new changes in town and is not to be meant to become a reality at all. However the whole idea is the most stupid thing I have heard for a long time.

Sosua already had a red light district, which was from Classico to the Bar of Fat Hermann. What good is such an idiotic new project? This mayor really knows how to ruin the economy of a town."[/QUOTE]Country laws just don't regulate it!

I will still look for girls where ever I like, on the beach, in discos, bars etc.

In DR prostitution (the exchange of sex for money) is legal, but brothels are illegal; prostitution is not regulated.

Prostitution is legal, although there are some prohibitions against sex with minors, and it is illegal for a third party to derive financial gain from prostitution. However, the government usually did not enforce prostitution laws. Sex tourism existed throughout the country, particularly in Las Terrenas, Cabarete, Sosua, and Boca Chica. Human rights groups reported continuing prostitution in sugarcane work camps and areas outside the capital. NGOs conducted programs about prostitution and child sexual exploitation for hotel and industrial zone workers, male and female prostitutes, and other high-risk groups.

([url]http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2009/wha/136110.htm[/url])

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[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1115029]Maybe she read my "Business Plan" post, LOL. I am on my iPhone so it would take me forever to find the link to my posting (if anyone wants to find it for me there are photos attached of chicas to that post. I posted it in December) but I suggested that if there was anyone with money or access to someone with money that they should set up a "Merengue / Classicos" on the outskirts of Sosua (between Sosua and Playa Dorada). In the beginning everyone speculated that the crackdown was due in part to developers wanting to turn Sosua into a family friendly beach town. I suggested that if someone was to take up my plan then it should be set up somewhere that would not even in the slightest lend itself to tourism (like having a beach). We could still use Sosua as home base as long as the hotels remained chica friendly. Plus, upon exiting the airport the "family friendly" crowd would be going one way (towards Sosua) and we would be going in the opposite direction towards out new hideout.

Incidentally, FOD folded before the crackdown, but I bet the place would be teaming with all sorts of business post-crackdown (but Manizales said the place is now closed to the public. Seems like some high rollers are occupying the place now) because I am positive that there are chicas who would rather make their money during the day rather than having to wait until after 10pm. And there are some that want to work from sun up to sun down, but the current climate in Sosua doesn't allow for that.

I have never been to Thailand, but if the Redlight district has worked there for so long (Soi Cowboy?) then she (the Mayor) may be on to something.

Okay, I guess I'll watch the video from your posting now, LOL.[/QUOTE]I hear ya. Its alot of open land near the airport. A compound with a couple hotels (a la NewGarden style) with a couple nightclubs in the compound and outdoor bars for daytime. And girls roaming freely.

This concept is in effect in Caracuo its called campos. The girls live there and its away from the tourist areas. Most latin countries like their sex hidden. Casas, massage parlors, strip clubs and campos. They say they like the trash out back. The old Sosua bucked this trend. But one thing that the old Sosua had was that it had so many free lance women that they would lock in for a "girl friend expirience" for a few days. In the new type of (fast sex) enviorment, GFE is usually discontinued.

Boca Chica is already set up for this. Close to the airport, secluded, and depressed land values. It also has a beach (if you want to call it that). But a "new sosua" in boca would depress pussy prices in SD and the city boys wouldn't like that.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver; 1108562]Give the Lapela a once over. Copied and paste from DR1 credit goes to original poster!

"Move over Viagra, and Hello, lapela.

Funy when I used to go to NY the requests were to bring a bottle of rum, dulce de leche con coco or some other dominican product that is not sold in parts of USA. Now that I have given out a few samples of La pela to my friends (on my last trip) , seems like all the requests are for this same product. La pela is the generic version of cialis but more tougher (I think). This pill (20mg) , makes you feel like a 16 yr old boy for up to 5 days. Many women have compared their men to the energizer buddy.

I have gotten so much request to bring this pill that I hope I will not get busted in JFK customs for trafficking drugs without prescription. There is no prescription for these types of pills in Dom rep. I offered my cousin some viagra pill that were given to me by a friend, he turned them down, mind you, he was paying 10 dollars / pill in USA. Everyone wants la pela. I got a call last night from another friend who read my post about my NYC trip, he too wants a bunch of pills. Even my 67 yrs old uncle placed an order from england.

I hope the damn hoomies will pay me or at least take me out for dinner.

On my last trip, I used la pela as currency. Ex: it cost me 2 la pela pills to have me taken to airport (atl) from marrietta (50 mins drive). Then it cost me 4 la pelas for a buddy pass to atl from sti. I guess another few la pelas will be enough to take me to a nice portuguese restaurant to eat a healthy sized steak. I guess I don't even have to change pesos for dollars, I will simply take along a bunch of la pelas and spend a few good days in NYC and atlanta.

AZB"[/QUOTE]How long does 1 pill last

Until we get more hot trip reports from such as Coolie High, I thought I'd bore the mongers again with an update on the relationship I have with my novia. Anyone contemplating something similar might find it interesting, in light of the recent changes in Sosua.

Been two years now. 2 weeks in November and a week in January, next a week in March and I have to say it's working well.

First time down there, I flew in and checked out the scene (what a scene!) before I took a small hotel near the action. Now, because it's really convenient, I get a Nolitours Air and AI package at the Casa Marina and bring in the novia. It's a good base, a vacation for the novia, and still relatively cheap, even we do most of our drinking in town, or we go away for a few days to her family.

Here's the deal. She knows a lot of the people who work (legitimately) in Sosua and a lot of the chicas who come in from Choromicas where she has one branch of ther family. She's obviously been active in Sosua in the past, but she's very family oriented and now her prime interest is with her first bambino in the States, her daughter and Mama and brothers in SD. She tells me I come third after her kids.

I know the families well, and I know she's not hooking, doesn't have a Dominicano boyfriend, and only comes to Sosua to meet me, then goes back with the Bambina to SD. I send her money, but less than I spend on say, cigarettes, so I supplement her income from doing hair, nails and other odd jobs she finds. I gave her an old laptop and she was pestering me to get a webcam so we could chat live. Eventually I did and I check in once in a while, unnanounced, and its always the same, she's at home with her bambina watching TV, or cooking and stuff.

A big relief to know she's not being gangbanged by Coolie and Savepro etc, while I'm up here freezing my ass off.

The biggest expense involved by far is my frequent trips to the DR, but that's for me, and being semi-retired, I'd be travelling anyway.

Last year she tried to get a visa to come visit me, but it took a while and didn't get it until November, and we get bad weather up here then, so she's coming in May. She's had my ticket money in her bank for almost a year, so credit to her for that.

In an earlier post, I boasted I'd never been ripped off in the DR, but credit goes to her 'cause she's scout, negotiator, planner, translator, and 24/7 wife all in one.

In the Don Andres bar a guy was talking about visas and I was mildly interested. He produced documents and said he was making money because his cousin was a supervisor at the Consulate in SD. He said he could get a Visa to the States in 2 weeks for 5 mil pesos, guaranteed. Now she'd been trying for months, but with one shake of her head, she told him to get lost. I said,"But babe, we were only talking" She laughed.

On the way back to the hotel, here was VisaMan being taken away by the politur. True story, and the look she gave me was priceless.

So, bottom line, I never really trusted her cause I met her in Sosua, but in two years there's never been an issue. She seems very happy with the trade we make and has included me in her family, especially with the older folks and the males, so there's a real comfort level and a relaxed happy vibe, that I've never found before with my previous relationships. She enjoys our time together, and I have a hard time getting a free couple hours in the afternoon to sniff around, unless its with her brother.

So my advice is try it, you might like it! Keep to an affordable budget, enjoy it for what it is, trust, but verify, and always be willing to walk away cold turkey if ever there's an issue. Its important for the chica to know that.

Can't wait for March.

[QUOTE=Stebo419;1115216]How long does 1 pill last[/QUOTE]For me? 1 pill lasts a good 24hrs with good wood coming fast after your first pop!

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1115453]


I know the families well, and I know she's not hooking, doesn't have a Dominicano boyfriend, and only comes to Sosua to meet me, then goes back with the Bambina to SD. I send her money, but less than I spend on say, cigarettes, so I supplement her income from doing hair, nails and other odd jobs she finds. I gave her an old laptop and she was pestering me to get a webcam so we could chat live. Eventually I did and I check in once in a while, unnanounced, and its always the same, she's at home with her bambina watching TV, or cooking and stuff.


In the Don Andres bar a guy was talking about visas and I was mildly interested. He produced documents and said he was making money because his cousin was a supervisor at the Consulate in SD. He said he could get a Visa to the States in 2 weeks for 5 mil pesos, guaranteed. Now she'd been trying for months, but with one shake of her head, she told him to get lost. I said,"But babe, we were only talking" She laughed.

On the way back to the hotel, here was VisaMan being taken away by the politur. True story, and the look she gave me was priceless.

So, bottom line, I never really trusted her cause I met her in Sosua, but in two years there's never been an issue. She seems very happy with the trade we make and has included me in her family, especially with the older folks and the males, so there's a real comfort level and a relaxed happy vibe, that I've never found before with my previous relationships. She enjoys our time together, and I have a hard time getting a free couple hours in the afternoon to sniff around, unless its with her brother.

So my advice is try it, you might like it! Keep to an affordable budget, enjoy it for what it is, trust, but verify, and always be willing to walk away cold turkey if ever there's an issue. Its important for the chica to know that.

Can't wait for March. [/QUOTE]Trying to take the Hoe out of a Sosua Girl? Is a monumental task, Good Luck Buddy! You're going to need it. I've never seen it done before but who knows maybe you will start a new trend of rehabbing Sosua putas?