Bravo, it's about time someone puts that big bully in his place. [b]Message to Otto, you are no better than the rest of us, so stop acting like "king dick".[/b]
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Bravo, it's about time someone puts that big bully in his place. [b]Message to Otto, you are no better than the rest of us, so stop acting like "king dick".[/b]
One of the major reasons WSG is such an excellent resource is Jackson's even-handed and measured approach, which allows for a range of individual voices and approaches while still making clear where the lines are. I can understand, appreciate and even applaud UncleOtto's desire to act to protect Jackson's interests and workload, but he tends to do so without the grace and restraint Jackson shows, and a member simply assuming unofficial authority by dint of of a personal relationship does nothing but fan the flames and muddy the waters.
There are certainly ways to call for civil discourse in areas without resorting to using the same tactics one complains about and without setting yourself up as being on a different plane from other posters. Doing the latter is simply an indication that you don't believe a straightforward argument for civility will be listened to, which shows a basic lack of respect for other posters and again says you're somehow better than they are. In the absence of Jackson appointing moderators for various sections or some sort of official co-administrator, such admonitions from non-posters in another area almost invariably have the same effect as trolling. It's like someone from another block deciding to come over and spank your noisy kids -- they might deserve it, but it's hardly the neighbor's place to administer such punishment.
[blue]Greetings everyone,
I will formulate a compromise to this discussion in a few days [i]after everyone has had their say and perhaps even calmed down somewhat[/i]. However, at this point I would like to state categorically that I am the only person on the planet with Admin access to the WSG, and thus any editing of any reports that you may observe in the Forum were done by me.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Dear Jackson
I sent you and others a PM about the Otto business as Lovelos had PMed me, Geneeral Stonewall Skinless, for support (!). I had noticed the Virginy spats but had ignored them just as I have been ignoring the entire board.
I am not the person who threatened to pop Otto; I am not a NRA guy. I did promise to slice up a prolific non person lisper if our paths cross in LOS or Lenawee by the see but that is another matter.
As regards you and Mr Otto:
1. You do need firebrigade men. One has to trawl through the entire site to find gems: Belguel, Saint, Looking 4 Lefty (all up to a point, all boring after a while)
2. You did add 43 new sectors, one of which was my suggestion (Photo of the year, which I am pleased to see I have seen mentioned by others). Many of those threads are not being used. Some are being abused. Check out Thailand or Malaysia for examples or read my earlier PMs.
3. Some dudes seem to have more than one personality: not just the split personalities like me who hang out here but dudes/cobbers using more than one account. You need help monitoring shit like that. Perhaos Uncle can help.
4. Most local threads are carried by one or two good posters: Looking for Lefty, Lynntrash etc. They develop their own dynamic and a hands off policy might be best and, like all shit, they attract flies. The Boston thread had a good way that way. It works when the main poster (Lynn, Looking) has a personality. But, as Samas Aran pointed out to the Thai spammers, it is hard to carry (and SA posts are now no good too and Lefty's are deteriorating as well)
5. So, where does this monolog get us?:
a. Divide up the world with your BA bros and tell the board you are doing that. Ask them to monitor big areas and report to you at your weekly AMA meeting/orgy. It is too much for one person to do. This is particularly the case as you insert ever more threads. Each extra thread magnifies the chances for bs. Have a look at the dudes/cobbers posting to each other. Issue a simple imperial edict. "Peasants, subjects and Rev Skinless: I Jackson Caesar hereby decree that........."
b. Organization is the key and you don't have it yet. Organize from the top (or the bottom if BA, like Australia, is at the ass end of the world). And organize from the bottom: let the locals keep their house primarily in order. I am sure the Army of Northern Virginia can do that.
c. You must tighten up. Give the board an organizational pussy tuck.
d. Thailand is, of course, a special case. This is because it attracts so much foreign farang shit. One had to only look at the photo of "tourist animals" Freeler posted or to read the bs some of the losers post. Speaking of which: I would appreciate it if you deleted the entire Traveller-Skinless thread as you promised. This is to keep my posting numbers down. Although, as a man of God/God, I forgive all the morons who disagreed with me, from now on they are all non persons. When I start to post again on Thailand, probably in May, I will remove any post that the non persons comment on. Perhaps Lovelos and friends might care to copy back in old Virginny.
e. One of the keys to the success of this board is the local loyalties. It would be a pity to lose that as the porno pictures of Belguel et al attract more srufers and posters. The emotion of Lovelos is understandable. So too is the over enthusiasm of your uncle. You are trying to cover the entire world: from Nibu and his jungle bunnnies to Saint and his James Bond settings. A tall order that can be solved with some human organization.
f. The nature of this hobby being what it is, a large number of posters are probably odd balls. One has only to think of the words of our own dear and blessed Prokofiev: To ask whether guys here have a problem with sex is like asking in a crackhouse if anyone has a problem with drugs.
g. Bottom line: tighten up but be loose as well. Many of us wil survive being banned or demoted.
h. Otto etc should probably not twist the other's word when replying. It is a cheap trick that belongs with cheap people.
Rev John T Skinless is happy to report he took a doll to see The last Samurai yesterday. Love must be in the air. The cherry blossoms will be here soon. Beautiful, romantic spring time aromas. Almost as good as the whiff one gets in a cheap Thai brothel.
Peace to all the people
about this [b] ottograham [/b] controversy =
where i live [ in rhode island , usa ] we are home to
brown university , arguably the most politically correct campus on earth.
and they have a supposedly joking saying there
about free speech :
" if you don't like what some·one has to say ——
don't let them say it !! "
that appears to be the attitude of some of the posters here about
mr o·g , in their efforts to get him banned
allow me to propose a different standard :
" if you don't like what mr ottograham has to say =
** ignore ** him !! "
that certainly would avoid all this waste of band·width
around here !!
You guys are too serious. My post this time is not about complains, but compliments.
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This bears repeating, with 1475 posts currently Joe Zop is one of the MOST SENIOR and MOST RESPECTED members on all of WSG, IMHO: ...it feels the same way to have someone come in out of the blue, call names, and lecture. You may have the best intentions, but it simply comes off as high and mighty when you come in and refer to everyone as children and crybabies, which means your point dissipates. Why should anyone give credence to someone who comes in, adopts an imperial tone, and does basically the same thing he complains about?
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I bet most people let him off because rarely anyone read to the 3rd sentence, or to the 2nd paragraph if there's one.
Otto, Otto, Otto.
Shame on you for translating my post and calling it a "Quote" from me. None of those words were mine, and the ideas put forth were basically 100% incorrect. In fact, you missed the whole point. Let me quote the salient paragraph:[quote]This time accurately, as LoveLOS wrote it, [b]emphasis mine[/b]:
Otto, you continually tell us that you are working for the betterment of the forum. [b]I believe that you are sincere[/b] in that respect. Unfortunately your 'imperial' [b]attitude[/b], [b]lack of respect[/b] for other seniors on this site (due to your special relationship with the MAN), your apparent need to pontificate, and your lack of understanding of how others feel about the local boards, and finally the [b]feeding of the troll[/b]; has had the [b]opposite effect[/b].
[i]...snip of unrelated thought that should have been put in another paragraph...[/i]
[b]We have no problems with adhering to Jackson's rules[/b]; but until HE tells US, publicly, that you are co-admin, we do have a problem [b]submitting to your lecturing[/b].[/quote]
I have held out the olive branch to you in every post, and do so again here - please stop snipeing back at me! You will note that Jackson did not deem my previous posts in NoVA an attack, as none were edited. Therefore I argue that you are attempting to cloud the issue with regard to my taking offense at your efforts to aid Jackson in his policies. That is not the issue here.
I regret that you have chosen to remain uncivil toward your fellow members, for that is the very compaint I am filing. Your tactics have resulted in MORE, not less strife on the boards you choose to visit, and that is the concern.
As far as researching your posting history, I remind you it is a tool that all senior members should use when trying to assess the personality and history of another member. We use it for every newbie whom we are trying to decide to send information to. Jackson presumably uses it to determine senior status and to settle disputes. I used it because your attitude bothered me. As indicated, I was going to let the issue drop in NoVA, but when I saw the Deja vu in the Thailand forum, I realized that, IMHO, your actions were unbecoming the gentleman you project in most of the reports. The way I was raised, is that when you have a problem with someone, you air your feelings, discuss the matter, and hopefully you can come to a peaceful resolution with that person.
My last comment is that I regret that my comments may have caused another party to threaten you with bodily harm. Rest assured that was not my intention, and be doubly sure that I am not the party who made the threat. I urge the party that made that threat, if the threat was more than hearsay, reconsiders his gut reactions and calmly states his concerns in this debate.
Again, I am hoping for a peaceful solution to this issue and regret your attitude at the last post was so hostile. Please re-read and take to heart my above comments and you may find our differences are not so great.
Peace be with you.
LoveLOS
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Jackson,
I apologize I felt I had to open a wound in this community, but as I implied, a wound needs to get air to heal. I hope this discussion will provide that.
Thank you for clarifying that you are the party that edited the posts. I hearby retract my comments regarding Otto acting outside your knowledge.
And again, for the record, We here in NoVA / DC have no problem following your rules.
I reiterate that I am not asking you to ban either myself or Otto, as he again misread. By "muzzeling Otto" I really meant that you ask him, as you have done in other cases, not to pop in from out of the blue to a board he does not regularly post to and start playing tough cop. If he does enter a discussion, please implore him not to feed the troll. My aim here is the same as yours, to REDUCE, not escalate, the rhetoric. I understand he is your friend and it is difficult to tell a friend when he is out of line. As a businessman myself, I have been faced with that challenge and it is unpleasant. You also know it is part of being the boss, so I know you will follow your concience.
As an alternative, I might suggest that you do as Skinless suggests and give your trusted friends, including Otto, a special status where they can act as moderator in certain areas to reduce your workload. I personally would not have had any problem with Otto's "imperial tone" if he had co-admin beneath his screen name. If you choose this solution, may I humbly ask that a party less openly hostile to myself and others in this area be given operational control of the boards here, for the sake and health of those local boards.
Respectfully,
LoveLOS
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To all,
I hope I do not have to add another comment to this section and that all parties will calm down and be civil. I do trust Jackson will arrive at an intellegent and well thought out solution to my little tantrum, which is exactly why I felt confident in offering my existence here at WSG as sacrafice to the resolution of this matter.
I ask you in your posts here to try not to flame Otto or myself. If you agree or disagree with either of us, try to phrase it in a manner which is civil and that will be considered more deeply by our moderator, whose authority both of us totally respect.
LoveLOS
[quote][b]originally posted by tallnhandsome[/b]
you guys are too serious. my post this time is not about complains, but compliments.
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this bears repeating, with 1475 posts currently joe zop is one of the most senior and most respected members on all of wsg, imho: ...it feels the same way to have someone come in out of the blue, call names, and lecture. you may have the best intentions, but it simply comes off as high and mighty when you come in and refer to everyone as children and crybabies, which means your point dissipates. why should anyone give credence to someone who comes in, adopts an imperial tone, and does basically the same thing he complains about?
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i bet most people let him off because rarely anyone read to the 3rd sentence, or to the 2nd paragraph if there's one.
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while we're on the whole banning topic, can we boot this [blue][deleted by admin][/blue] as well? better yet, why don't we round him up and go all "passion of the christ" on him.
i know that sounds like a personal attack, and, well, it is. but, the guy has very little knowledge, makes up stories, is a complete troll (as defined by lovelos) and is probably **** to boot. his posts are full of grammatical errors to the point that many are incomprehensible. when they are understandable, they are either silly fabrications or flames.
please, muzzle this [blue][deleted by admin][/blue].
[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]this report was edited in accordance with the wsg forum's [u]zero tolerance[/u] policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another forum member or the forum membership in general.[/blue][/size]
I have in the past just ignored or read over the stuff posted by Otto. I will have to say that I was pissed by his spamming us all with his personal request. If I wanted to donate, I would have, but would not from the spamming by him. LOVLOS has been a good poster, and Otto was out of line. I guess I will now be the reciepient of his insults now. I would not have responded but with his attack on LovLos, I just had to. If I am banned also, so be it, I shall live for another day, but hope not with any more spamming. I will not respond to any attacks from Otto nor others. If I do get attacked, I will just consider the source and ignore. This is a great forum and I enjoy it greatly and plan to continue, and I hope LovLos will still be around also. PWhipped
what i find great about this board is that everyone (from a 0 poster to a 1000 poster) has a voice. let's keep it that way to the best of our abilities. the only one that we can 100% control is ourselves.
this board is jackson's creation for men who want information on play-for-pay (and then some) - men like us. quite a community has grown from this, and, with such a community, it is inevitable to get a significant share of haters and conflicts. if you have a problem with somebody, you will fight at your own risk (ie. even enough to get your "skull capped off"); it's the risk you take, and ottograham is well aware of it. otto's a big boy, and he can take care of himself; he also has the right to express free speech.
if you don't like somebody, as already mentioned, you should simply ignore them. we're all adults here, and we may as well act like them. i cannot speak for jackson, but - unlike many others - i postulate that he could care less about having "power" on this board. he, like the average poster here, simply wants good information on meeting pfp women and to have some entertainment and education along with it. there's no need to run around feeling like a "more senior" member than other and taunting it. moreover, if someone else flaunts it, let them be; it's a free world (just as much as we should all be free to have pfp sex with whomever we want - without le on our tail).
so, what should you do? rather than arguing and pointing fingers, relax and enjoy this forum. moreover, please continue to contribute. if someone attacks you, try not to take it personally. this is an internet forum with a great variety of different personalities. thus, it is obvious that we won't have everyone agreeing with each other. if you can control yourself, just ignore the flamers and fighters. however, if you want to be a "flamer/fighter" yourself, hopefully the majority of others will simply ignore you; within certain bounds, you have the right to do what you desire.
now, let's forget this finger-pointing and enjoy something that we can all agree with: *beautiful ladies from all parts of the world*! from the lurker to the most senior members -and- from the most polite to the most beligerant members, i enjoy all posts to varied degrees.
make life easy for yourself and simply enjoy it, as well. life's too short.
[blue]thank you![/blue]
Hi again PNG, since you say it's a personal attack, I have to reply to your groundless attack. 'Little' is relatively speaking and I'm a humble personal. What story did I make up? What did I fabricate?
JACKSON: I would like to complain about myself. I am not getting laid enough. I also have DICKEY-DOO disease... my belly hangs out further than my DICKEY-DOO.
LoveLOS,
You are out of line, and, to put it simply, just plain wrong. From your last post, it looks like you are just now beginning to realize that.
The idea that Jackson would play favorites among WSG members and hand out ADMIN rights is too ludicrous to even be contemplated. And yet, here you are, hurling threats and insults at OttoGraham for just that. Sounds as if YOU should be apologizing to HIM.
It could very well be that the BA members feel themselves to be just a little closer to heaven than most, given their physical proximity to the Holy See. But the idea that Uncle Otto, or anyone else, would actually consider themselves to be a pretender to the throne just because they broke bread with Jackson a few times is, also, laughable.
I didn't have to research Otto's posts, since I've already read most of them. I think it's clear to a reasonable person that, in addition to being a valuable contributor, he is sincerely concerned with the welfare of the WSG. He is always among the first to welcome new members and to encourage their participation, and he has always been more than generous with his time and advice. Perhaps he is a little too vigorous at times, but, if so, he errs on the side of the good. Personally, I have never understood why anyone would complain about his broadcast for charitable contributions.
Yes, he has expensive tastes; in women, food and drink. And he likes to talk about it. So what? I would not condemn him for that any more than I would condemn Dickhead for pinching pennies (or pesos). They both have their own style and valuable information to impart.
So, it seems that your complaints are totally specious, without any value or merit. You should think twice before you start up a firestorm. You may be the one who gets burned.
Guillermo
Very eloquently stated, Left Fielder, and right on-target.
Jackson, you should make this guy a Senior Member - he's got the right attitude.
- Atlanta Monger
Otto, no one would begrudge you an opinion. The resenment that many here feel, is that you sometimes come across as having a "superior" attitude.
In any case, let's all move on. For the sake of poor Jackson who's probably losing all his hair [red](if he isn't already bald).[/red] Just remember, it takes a bigger man to walk away.