Guadalajara

pk: i have been researching this morning and the hilton isn't downtown. it is in the hotel district near the plaza del sol. that is west of town ( by the expo world trade center) but the hotel is right off lazaro cardenas so i will try to use your bus instructions i copied from a previous post. also i can walk 5 miles with no problem. i always walk a ton on my trips. so i will try high class one day and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the next.

i have a low threshold for loud, smoky strip bars but i will go to nuevo galleon and drop 500 pesos or so just out of duty to the board. dickhead is the ultimate team player; it comes from having been a utility player my whole career.

hotels seem expensive to me based on my travelocity and orbitz search. $61 isn't so bad if (since) it includes all the taxes so hotel frances is a definite possibility. i get in at 6 am so the first day i will explore downtown and see if i can find some cheaper places on a walk-in and haggle basis, although i don't like to haggle. i have to get used to it though, since i'll be spending 65% of the year in latin america for the foreseeable future. i'll also walk into frances and see if i can haggle a better rate there.

thanks for the info.

Dickhead: There is a hotel named the Mission Carlton on Ave. Ninos Heroes about three blocks from Nuevo Galleon.I have never stayed there and don't know the rates but it is in a good location but not right in El Centro.I have been working and commuting between Guadalajara and the US for four years now.I am currently renting a house in Guadalajara and will be there 6/2- 6/15.Another hotel I have heard good comments about is the Hotel Bosque.You may want to check these out on travelocity.If you have any other questions or I can help you out let me know. The esteticas in Guadalajara are great but the problem is none are opened after 9 PM. Buena Suerte,Renegade

Renegade: I will be there Tuesday morning until Saturday morning. If you want to get together for a beer, backchannel my hot mail account: Richardhead41. Or any other mongers in the vicinity. I am working my way down there right now (but still in the US right now).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dickhead
[i]Renegade: I will be there Tuesday morning until Saturday morning. If you want to get together for a beer, backchannel my hot mail account: Richardhead41. Or any other mongers in the vicinity. I am working my way down there right now (but still in the US right now). [/i][/QUOTE]

Board was down while I was in GDL. I had two sessions at High Class, both very good. First with Andrea, give it a 6, good attitude, mestizo tending towards India, short, lots of curly black hair, big aereolas, firm ass cheeks, two kids but no C-scars and not fat, 23 years old. Took it and liked it. No bullshit involved, no pressure, place itself gets a high rating, clean, etc.

Then Nuevo Galleon. Loud and dark but not particularly smoky. Good as far as a strip club goes. One 70 peso beer gets you all you can touch until the beer is gone. Not too much pressure although some. Everyone´s gotta make a living. Made an appointment for the next day with a Dominicana; she said there was her and one Panameña and the rest were Mexicanas. Gave her a time to meet me at my hotel and told her I would wait thirty minutes and no more. Waited forty and she didn´t show so I went to High Class again.

This session was better. Diana or Reyna, whatever you prefer. Very nice looking, 7.5 in my book and very cooperative and INTO IT. Wanted to cum and did and it was a very good session. I like this place.

I did have a message from the Nuevo Galleon girl when I checked out the next day but staff was too lame (Hotel Francés, not really recommended as very loud and no AC for 550 pesos = marginal value) to say when it was from.

Your loyal servant,

Dickhead

Oh yeah, both sessions at High Class were 450 pesos plus I tipped 50 since they DIDN´T ASK for a tip.

DH,

Didn't think about AC at the Frances Hotel. Have always been there in winter . . .

"Wanted to cum and did . . ." Are you talking about you or her??? Sounds like the price was right. Did they offer you 450 or did you negociate?

-P

More on Nuevo Galleon. No cover charge,40 pesos a beer for you -70 pesos for her.Lap dances are 250 pesos.There is a hotel next store to the bar, I have never taken a girl there but the price is 1,500 pesos for an hour. You pay this at the bar as you exit for the hotel with your girl and the 1.500 includes her fee,bar exit fee,and the hotel room fee.I didn't try to negotiate this price because I wasn't lookin for a date this night. I am sure the price could change depending on the usual supply and demand principals. There were also some comments in the past about this being in a scary neighborhood. It is 2 blocks from a huge new Wal Mart and Pemex station.They are both lit up very well. This is a business neigborhood in the day and the only places open in the evening are the Nuevo Galleon,hotel and another little bar.This is definitely not a scary area in my opinion.I have been there 6 times with no problems. Buena Suerte,Renegade

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prokofiev
[i]DH,

Didn't think about AC at the Frances Hotel. Have always been there in winter . . .

"Wanted to cum and did . . ." Are you talking about you or her??? Sounds like the price was right. Did they offer you 450 or did you negociate?

-P [/i][/QUOTE]

Well, I always want to come. I meant Reyna wanted to cum and did. The 450 was offered and I did not negotiate. I didn{t think the Francés was that hot with the ceiling fan on, but some Canadians got pissed and left. BTW I thought the beds were good. Next weekend though, I think I will just stay near High Class at this place I saw for 450 pesos, since I don't think I'll go downtown.

Gentlemen,

Visited Guadalajara last Thurs and Friday. Went to High Class on Thursday and there were about 6 of 10 girls not occupied. They introduced me to them and I asked about if there were more. They said they were busy, so I waited for about 15 minutes until I saw another. I decided to make due with what I had already seen. (I saw one 8 in the group so I picked her). Can not remember her name but she had a nice body (clothed) and redish/blond hair. She said she was 24 and had a 9 year boy and a younger daughter. 1/2 hour massage cost me $450 up front. She took the money downstairs and I showered, moved the mirror (so I would be able to see her while I was getting my back massage), and laid down on the table. She came back in, told me 10 minutes massage, then we could have more fun. I asked her to take off her clothes from the start. Her body was a little loose because of her kids, however, she had a great smile and beautiful eyes. After about 10 minutes, I rolled over and got some hand action. She then gave me a pretty nice CBJ. I noticed that because of timing, I needed to move this along. I had her sit on the table with her legs hanging off the side. Her kitty looked a little used and not very tight, but I entered her anyway. I started to pump away when the smell of old fish hit me. My "little buddy" lost interest and there is no getting him interested once it encounters a "fish" market. So I told her that we should just take a shower and get dressed. Once in the shower, she gave me a hand job w/o condom till I got off. Overall - not the best experience.

I left and took a taxi to the Men's club. (around 5:30 pm). Shows were like every 15 minutes. Alot 7-8's walking around or sitting by themselves. The 9's were occupied so I just had a drink and left. Normal drink (normally $3-4 US somewhere else) cost me $11 US with tip.

Will report later about an experience in Jovi (estetica) the following morning. Much better and had a chica rating a 9 to boot!

went to high class again on saturday and had selene. not bad but not as good as the first two times. not as gfe plus i was kinda distracted for some reason. but, it was fine. she is very slender and has no scars, tattoos, or burn marks and definitely does not have the stinky pussy problem the previous poster referred to. again was quoted 450 and gave her 500. i like this place. no hassle, no pressure, just good clean fun. never did make it to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]; maybe next time.

hey gents,

first time to post, but have been an avid reader of the board for years. don’t know why it has taken so long for me to get my ass in gear and register.

anyway, i’ve had many experiences over the years and will do my best to share those that are still relevant.

in gdl every other month or so, so i’ve taken the occasional opportunity to survey the goods here. i agree that gdl has some very beautiful women and what more does a red-blooded man than that to take a sample or two, or ten?

strip clubs-
kaos- have been 3 times. each time have had the typical lap dances (3 for $45 usd) and then went on to have fs upstairs. the first time, to my surprise, the gal(cassandra) offered up the option. didn’t even really know “upstairs” existed, as it was my first time. so i said what the heck and went on up. my buddy was with me as well and the gal he was dancing (mariana) was friends with cassandra so he ended up coming upstairs as well. i figured we were going to have a group thing.

the one on one fee was $250 usd for half an hour, didn’t ask about the group thing. the price seemed steep but with a bac of about .5 and some urging by my buddy, i didn’t really care. besides, the laps were the best i’d ever had. full contact with a little french involved.

basically here’s how the process works:
1.) pay your $250 at the bar downstairs. if you pay by credit card they take id, fingerprint, etc. the name on the credit card slip is something like “guadalajara espectaculos”.

2.) they take you to a “secret” door guarded by a mean looking mexican dude and he opens it up and you and the girl upstairs where there are a couple of other manager types that assign you a room and take drink orders. don’t buy any drinks for yourself or the girl; i’m pretty sure they are about 2x the price when you’re upstairs. i learned that the hard way the first time around.

3.) now you’re in the room. it’s a decent sized room with a bed and a tv, no bathroom though. there’s only one and it’s a larger shared type facility for both men and women.

4.) before you commence, a bus boy will come around and sell you a condom if you don’t happen to have any. i didn’t come prepared so it was another 70 pesos for 2 jimmy hats. the bus boy graciously gave himself a 30 peso tip after i handed him a 100 peso bill.

5.) then it was on. cassandra, a brunette with a nicely trimmed beav, is about a 7-8 until she takes her top off. she’s had a boob job and unfortunately the doctor tore her up pretty good. she’s got a huge scar under each areola that are akin to frankenstein’s scars. without the scars, her melons would look pretty good. anyway, she didn’t rush me or care if i went down on her, a big turn on for me, so i gave the session about a 7.

since the first time, i’ve been back twice. the second time was with mariana, the gal my buddy was with the first time. i call him my blood bother now. mariana is about a 7 as well, slender, nice c cups and a great little ass. my buddy says she let him do her greek, but when i tried to play down there, she wasn’t having it. she also let me daty. her patch is nearly bald and she had a great taste and well formed parts so it was especially exciting. i chowed till she came; “terminar” is what she called it. after that she started in on a little bbbj. i’m not sure what she was doing, but her talent was incredible. if i wasn’t on a budget or time schedule i would have opted for the full oral monty and then went a second round for good ol’ penetration. i give my experience with her about an 8.5. the only way it could be higher is if i wasn’t paying for it.

the last time i was there i asked for mariana again, but she was on vacation. bummer. i had to settle for a new gal, can’t remember her name though. she was about an 8 with a body to match but was less into the whole thing. i had to beg her to let me daty and once she finally gave in i’m sure she didn’t regret it. i gave the session about a 5. mariana is definitely the ticket. if i spoke better spanish i might think about getting her number for some dinner/movie/free action.

just a couple of observations:
out of all the laps i’ve gotten from all the different girls, only one offered the “upstairs” option.
of the three times i’ve been upstairs, there has never been anyone else partaking, except for my buddy the first time.
as everyone else describes, everybody in that place has his or her hand out. it does get annoying.

esteticas-
using tips gained from the board i decided to try out high class last night. this was my first try at a mp in mexico. i grabbed a cab about 6:00 pm and told the older cabby that i wanted to go to high class. he had no clue what i was talking about. i told him that it was an estetica so he went to check with his cabby friends on the 411. he came back a few minutes later and said that we were on our way. not having the address was a mistake. we ended up at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. rather than trying to argue and say that it wasn’t high class, i settled and went on in. there were three guys at the front desk. i never really said anything except hola, como esta and they took me back to the screening room. just like the brochure said, they had a line up of about 8-10 gals. they ranged from about a 4 to 7. i chose leti, about a 6. she had a nice body, cs and a medium back end. from there the “lot boy” took me upstairs to another room and collected the non-negotiable fee of 900 pesos. about three minutes later leti came in and asked me to remove my clothes. i did and she started in on the baby oil massage. started face down and worked her way from the bottom up. she was rushed so there wasn’t much enjoyment in it. once turned over, she basically went straight for the cbj. then she got on the massage table for a little missionary then finished off from behind. she wouldn’t let me play with her love button whilst in the act for some reason. not sure, maybe too personal for her-whatever. for the money it seems like high class is a better option. i might try to give it a go before i leave.

hope this helps out on your future endeavors,

injun bro

Went to this massage parlor on Manzano st. and Montenegro, just behind the Sears store en 16 de Septiembre ave. close to the Nuevo Galeon. The name of the place is Geisha Massage Parlor, average girls, price was 390 pesos for full service, there were like 5 gilrs working it was early on the day around noon and on Monday. So you figure, I picked this blonde girl with the name of Sonia I will give her a 7.5 maybe and 8 the place is clean, she is a realy friendly woman, what stunn me was that she was not wearing any underclothes, once we got to action she told me she is a single mother, but her breast not saggy and her tummy jus a little bit but not really noticible. She gave me a great cbj and down to action did several positions and she kept asking me if I was close to cum so she could stop, because she wanted to cum first, great attitude, I told her if she would go to private parties, and she said yep, I'll try to get her phone number soon.

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In October or November, am going to GDL for the first time, so I really appreciate what you guys have posted. I'll probably spend a week or so there and be able to wander around and explore. There seems to be general agreement that High Class is the best place to start in sampling the esteticas. Dickhead's description of his experience with Reyna sounded good. I do have a couple of questions:

1) Can you bargain with either the desk people or the girl at an estetica?

2) I like being able to talk (when I can get my breath) with the girl I'm with, so I'm wondering whether anyone can recommend a book or website with Spanish words and phrases for getting intimately acquainted and playing and getting it on.

3) DollarBill, you made an interesting comment about a place named Jovi and said you would tell more later. Is there more to tell? Has anyone else been to Jovi?

4) Has anyone else been to GeishaMP, the place near Nuevo Galeon which Rockdriquez described? It sounds as if he had a good time.

Thanks for any comments. This Forum is a great resource.

Deicer

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Deicer
[i] I do have a couple of questions:

1) Can you bargain with either the desk people or the girl at an estetica?[/i][/QUOTE]

In Méjico, you can bargain with anyone, at any time, under any circumstances, for any reason. Bargaining ranks right up there with soccer and baseball as national sports. Now whether you will be SUCCESSFUL in your bargaining is another story.

Tell Reyna 'El Toro Rojo' says hola.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dickhead
[i]In Méjico, you can bargain with anyone, at any time, under any circumstances, for any reason. Bargaining ranks right up there with soccer and baseball as national sports. Now whether you will be SUCCESSFUL in your bargaining is another story.

Tell Reyna 'El Toro Rojo' says hola. [/i][/QUOTE]Reyna sounds like fun. Of course, she was into it for a GFE with you (congrats). I will ask whether she is there, and see whether our chemistry together is good. Will also pass on your warm praise if all goes pretty well, you should get a warm return reception :).

By the way, is there a website where I can download a map of GDJ? I need to get the lay of the land, locate High Class and other spots, and review the directions you guys have previously posted.

I like exploring on foot and by local buses, looking for eye contact, trying to use what little Spanish I know, trying to figure out what's going on, etc.

Deicer