Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

And so do some of the factory ladies toiling away on Mactan Island. I've had some early flights out of Cebu, in a taxi on the way to the airport and seen so many attractive young women on the streets, on their way to work.

I've been tempted to give up the bars and hang out at jeepney stops in Lapu lapu at 7am.

Inadvertently, I've had the pleasure of intimacy with two of these ladies thanks to online connection -- one was just a fk, the other, met papa and siblings, then a very romantic time at Alona beach....

Next visit I called her and her sis answered the phone, "Oh, she's in the US now." Of course I couldn't really complain, since I hadn't kept in touch.

Since the original poster, Sushi, was referring to bar girls, shall we assume the same thing about regular girls?

My feeling is that SOME of the regular girls are more conniving than the bar girls, but I guess it ends up the same...who do you trust?

X



[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Not only is Sushi's post entirely accurate, but let's not forget that these girls often also feed the entire family with their earnings, and send younger siblings to school.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amavida]Wazza i'd like to chime in here & say that in my experience whilst some BG's are career hookers, most are not. Most are girl next door types who through circumstance find themselves doing that job.

Common life story from bar girls is : from a poor family, job of last resort either due to loss of breadwinner in family at early age (typically father) or got knocked up by pinoy guy (long gone) & shamed into taking this work to support the new mouth to feed.

If you don't think girls in this situation don't dream of falling in love with a nice rich foreigner and having a better life you're kidding yourself.

When bar girls look me in the eye & say 'this is not my dream job' I understand where she is coming from in this strictly catholic hypocritical country.

Amavida[/QUOTE]Hi AV,

IMHO, with respect, there has been a flawed interpretation, on your part of my post (#1181). The original post (#1180) contained sweeping statements/generalizations where the poster stated " 1) The girls you met are poor,poor girls who wanted to do everything to escape from this misery (the best they like is to go out of the country), foreigners make them a millionair..."

FYI.

A general/sweeping statement or conclusion that is presented as a general truth but based on limited or incomplete evidence, then the process of verification is necessary to determine whether a generalization holds true for any given situation.

My point is that the original poster made a sweeping statement and I merely asked him to prove his claim. I did not say that bar girls did not want to marry foreigners.

You will see X MAN (#1185) has picked this up and has given a clear example of how to correctly write a statement without over-generalising.

Take care, travel safe.

[QUOTE=X Man]..My feeling is that SOME of the regular girls are more conniving than the bar girls, but I guess it ends up the same...who do you trust?

X[/QUOTE]

Hi X,
Reality Check :
Even for the most down to earth & sensible of us, the fog of sexual desire & bula bula from a beautiful attractive young woman can be hard to resist.

In this country the 'prime directive' of all girls from poor family's who turn 18 is 'get a SUPPORTIVE husband'. In this Asian country many girls are willing put up with being a 'second wife' to a married man in order to get his support.

Whenever you need a reality check about a girls feelings for you, just invent a flimsy reason to need the password for their email account to 'help' them with a problem in their email. 99% of girls are so unsophisticated they will immediately give it. Take a look in their email account when she's not around, you will see that the beautiful loving girl who gazes into your eyes lovingly & tells you how gwapo you are, has been courting ANYTHING & EVERYTHING. Race, creed, fat, skinny, ugly, total loser with no personality - doesn't matter. Foreigner = $$$ in their mind.

i've done this many times & it sure brings you back to reality real quick from the reality distortion field these girls are good at creating.

BTW going to meet the parents is a cruel lie on the part of a foreigner, if you have no intention of being a fiance/husband don't do it. She is parading you in front of the folks as her 'catch' & loses face when you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off never to be seen again.

For somebody looking for a great life partner I could think of a lot worse than a good pinay wife but I advise extreme caution or you will get burned.

Cheers
Amavida

[QUOTE=Beijing Lover]How much are you asking for your property?
Me and a couple of friends could be seriously interested in buying it!

Stephen[/QUOTE]

Count me in about that beach-front property in AC
I didn't know global warming is happening that fast

Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.

X

[QUOTE=Amavida]

BTW going to meet the parents is a cruel lie on the part of a foreigner, if you have no intention of being a fiance/husband don't do it. She is parading you in front of the folks as her 'catch' & loses face when you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off never to be seen again.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.

X[/QUOTE]It is not always true. I've gotten to know a semi-pro and her modus operandi quite well. She uses these 'family introductions' in a very calculated way. This girl basically has a very short list of what she considers 'special friends' and in order to build loyalty w/ these guys during their PI visits she will bring them home to meet the family. Father, mother, brothers, sisters, the whole damn shibang. She's already had several mongerers there, parading through a farce of 'this is my boyfriend of the moment' so the family must be on to it. But it is a weird dynamic that doesn't need to be delved into here. Suffice to say the motivations/dynamic behind the family intro isn't always as straightforward as one might assume. It is highly likely the family is in on the deal and is aiding the girl's effort, whatever that may be. Mongerers should be careful not too assume to much. Even when it comes to the supposedly 'oblivious family.

[QUOTE=X Man]Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.

X[/QUOTE]

If you on a hit and run mission I think it is totally weak to meet the girls parents. In most Asian countries I have been to South Korea, Japan, Thailand and Taiwan etc... if a girl introduces you to the old folks its pretty serious business. I am not saying when a guy meets a lady he should be thinking of marriage right away but if you know your only goal is to screw then…

[QUOTE=X Man]Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.

X[/QUOTE]We all have our agenda's but tend to forget that they all have agendae of their own.

To illustrate the Pinay mind, I heard that GMA wanted to increase the international reputation of the Philippines by initiating a space programme. She initially wanted to send a Pinoy to the moon but when she heard that this had been done she said OK we will land one on the sun. When informed that this could be risky because of the high temperature she said OK no problem they could land at night!

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]To illustrate the Pinay mind, I heard that GMA wanted to increase the international reputation of the Philippines by initiating a space programme. She initially wanted to send a Pinoy to the moon but when she heard that this had been done she said OK we will land one on the sun. When informed that this could be risky because of the high temperature she said OK no problem they could land at night![/QUOTE]Please remember that she's an economist, not a physicist. Assuming that she was trained as a neo-liberal Western economist, a la Milton Friedman, then probably every intellectual exercize she ever engaged in was built around a hypothetical supply-demand equilibrium rather than any actual market place involving real humans.

There's a well-worn story involving a physicist, a geologist, and an economist who got stranded in the desert after a plane crash. The only food they had available was an unopened can of beans. The geologist suggested that perhaps a sharp rock could be used to puncture the can, but the other two thought too much food would still be left inside after making the puncture. The physicist suggested using the lens of a pair of their eyeglasses to burn a hole in the can. The others rejected it as too time consuming. Finally the economist raised his hand and opined, "assume a can opener. . ."

Sorry, I just couldn't resist when the topic of GMA as a Pinay exemplar was raised.

Houzi, seems to have the best answer here, which explains why I got laid rather quickly after meeting the elders.

D'etat's post stikes me as odd. Comparing Japan and S. Korea to Philippines is way off the mark. He is correct in that if a J or K lady invites you to meet the parents, it's gotten very serious. I never had that feeling in the Philippines.

I am single and available, so I have no guilty feelings on my side - I think D'etat posted about "hit and run"...

Gamahucher, that is absolutely hilarious.

AV, you can hate me all you want, but I think your info is suspect. You should get out of AC more often. I've met many ladies and her parents and nothing has come of it. I've never gotten bad vibes from these ladies afterward. Filipinos are group oriented and family oriented, and it's natural that they introduce you to the clan.

BTW, there was one lady, I've told her story here, posted her pussy pics at ISG, met her family, fkd her a few hours later, she tried to scam me two weeks later, now is married in USA.

I got some really hot pics of four differnet gals that are now ....um ....married. So, if you see your wife's pic here after going back in the files,,,I'm really sorry. I only did her once and she scremed out some other guys name at the moment of ectasy...it was your name! Really!

X








[QUOTE=Houziwang]It is not always true. I've gotten to know a semi-pro and her modus operandi quite well. She uses these 'family introductions' in a very calculated way. This girl basically has a very short list of what she considers 'special friends' and in order to build loyalty w/ these guys during their PI visits she will bring them home to meet the family. Father, mother, brothers, sisters, the whole damn shibang. She's already had several mongerers there, parading through a farce of 'this is my boyfriend of the moment' so the family must be on to it. But it is a weird dynamic that doesn't need to be delved into here. Suffice to say the motivations/dynamic behind the family intro isn't always as straightforward as one might assume. It is highly likely the family is in on the deal and is aiding the girl's effort, whatever that may be. Mongerers should be careful not too assume to much. Even when it comes to the supposedly 'oblivious family.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Houzi, seems to have the best answer here, which explains why I got laid rather quickly after meeting the elders.

D'etat's post stikes me as odd. Comparing Japan and S. Korea to Philippines is way off the mark. He is correct in that if a J or K lady invites you to meet the parents, it's gotten very serious. I never had that feeling in the Philippines.

I am single and available, so I have no guilty feelings on my side - I think D'etat posted about "hit and run"...

Gamahucher, that is absolutely hilarious.

AV, you can hate me all you want, but I think your info is suspect. You should get out of AC more often. I've met many ladies and her parents and nothing has come of it. I've never gotten bad vibes from these ladies afterward. Filipinos are group oriented and family oriented, and it's natural that they introduce you to the clan.

BTW, there was one lady, I've told her story here, posted her pussy pics at ISG, met her family, fkd her a few hours later, she tried to scam me two weeks later, now is married in USA.

I got some really hot pics of four differnet gals that are now ....um ....married. So, if you see your wife's pic here after going back in the files,,,I'm really sorry. I only did her once and she scremed out some other guys name at the moment of ectasy...it was your name! Really!

X[/QUOTE]

You want to talk about odd? What’s odd is the way you are scrutinizing and refuting every damn thing AV is posting. Second thing is you are right. You can't compare Japan, Korea and the Philippines. Lived over a year in the first two countries. I said in Asia most girls if they ask you to meet the parents there is some reason behind it. Whether it’s saintly or sinister there is a reason. Nine times out of ten the ulterior motive is they are serious about you.

Great work X the world is proud of you for not having guilty feelings. What’s your next trick? Nothing wrong with going in for the one nighter or the monthly fling but how a man does it in my opinion is what it is all about. Also great way to end your post real sophomoric. Don't talk like you are Mr. Playboy either you PMed me a couple of months ago asking how to meet Filipinas in Japan because you were not having any luck :(

To quote Jay-Z the greatest hip hop mogul of our time.

“Don’t let me expose you to those people who don’t know you.”

Hi X, Im laid up with an illness so I have an unusual amount of time to browse the forums this week.

[QUOTE=X Man]...I am single and available, so I have no guilty feelings on my side...[/QUOTE]
Everything about your posts seems to be a justification of your behavior. Thats your business X.

[QUOTE=X Man]AV, you can hate me all you want[/QUOTE]
Nobody hates anybody here, we are just here to discuss our hobby & matters relating to it. How each person behaves on this board is a measure of the person.

[QUOTE=X Man] I think your info is suspect[/QUOTE]
I dont care :D
FYI I live here with a wife & kid (boy). I have a 'second wife' & kid (girl) and several girl friends. In addition I bonk bar girls & Internet girls from time to time. Rather than blow into town, copulate frantically with anything & then blow out of town I have plenty of great sex with really nice girls/women regularly.

[QUOTE=X Man] You should get out of AC more often[/QUOTE]
Thanks so much for your advice X.
FYI I live at the other end of the Phils, I fly to Manila on business & so I monger there & AC out of convenience. Occasionally i sneak off to other destinations but not as often as I'd like.

[QUOTE=X Man] I've met many ladies and her parents and nothing has come of it. I've never gotten bad vibes from these ladies afterward[/QUOTE]
You're mongering in an Asian culture X, a lot goes on under the surface.

[QUOTE=X Man]Filipinos are group oriented and family oriented, and it's natural that they introduce you to the clan.[/QUOTE]
True X, but a little cultural sensitivity wouldn't go astray. Like D'etat said, going to meet the parents is serious business. the folks are often very tolerant, but I can assure you she does lose face when you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off. If you just want fun its easy to have a reason not to meet the folks. The girl will understand...

Take Care X
AV

AV, a "justification of my behavior". What are you referring too? Maybe, the fact that I sometimes disagree with you? If that is what you are referring to, please find something tangible to argue, rather than letting fly with a bunch of unrelated comments. I have to say you and D'etat have similar ways of dealing with criticism.

Our first spat came when you were bragging about doing virgins, and now you tell us you are a married sllutt on top of everything else. (I have no problem with the "sllutt" part, btw). Ironically, you and D'etat now criticize me for not feeling guilty for having sex with single women who have asked me to meet the family.

X

D'etat,

My "odd" comment was about what you wrote - not you. You seem kind of sensitive about the "odd" word, so I’m sorry for that.

As for my sophmoric humor at the end, I agree. It wasn't funny, and it wasn't appropriate. I'm sorry if anyone was offended.

I thought AV's comment about “meeting family” was very interesting simply because I know, and D’etat, knows, things work differently in East Asia. I asked others to post because I was hoping to learn from others. It's unfortunate that a very complicated idea of culture has resulted in tit for tat angry messages at ISG.

D'etat seems to indicate I should feel guilty about having sex with women? I've had pleanty of long term relationships with Filipinas, so you're wrong to assume I'm there just for a qk fk. BTW, have you read AV's latest message?

Also, I never claimed to be a playboy. What's up with that? Why are you making things up? SHould I avoid talking about sex on the ISG board? I thought that was the whole purpose?

As for Filipinas in Japan, my memory was asking you how YOU met Filipinas in Japan. I think the ISG creed is meeting and sexing women....it seems kind of ODD that you would criticize me here, for a private message I sent which simply was in accord with the ISG

And what do you mean by the quote? Are you threatening to reveal personal information about me? That is about as low as you can go on the ISG board.

X


[QUOTE=D Etat]You want to talk about odd? What’s odd is the way you are scrutinizing and refuting every damn thing AV is posting. Second thing is you are right. You can't compare Japan, Korea and the Philippines. Lived over a year in the first two countries. I said in Asia most girls if they ask you to meet the parents there is some reason behind it. Whether it’s saintly or sinister there is a reason. Nine times out of ten the ulterior motive is they are serious about you.

Great work X the world is proud of you for not having guilty feelings. What’s your next trick? Nothing wrong with going in for the one nighter or the monthly fling but how a man does it in my opinion is what it is all about. Also great way to end your post real sophomoric. Don't talk like you are Mr. Playboy either you PMed me a couple of months ago asking how to meet Filipinas in Japan because you were not having any luck :(

To quote Jay-Z the greatest hip hop mogul of our time.

“Don’t let me expose you to those people who don’t know you.”[/QUOTE]

Still think handbags at dawn outside LA Cafe would be the solution :)

Seriously all the forums have at least one devil's advocate or self appointed old hand/expert (unless its the Thai forum which has loads) and provided they are useful contributors who cares and in fact they can sometimes spice things up. I think X man would be the first to admit that he is can be a prickly ass at times but his contribution is solid so it being the nature of the beast we have to endure the contrary aspects of his nature. One X Man or Amavida is worth a hundred useless lurkers who only emerge from under their logs at infrequent intervals to ask stupid, pointless questions which a minutes use of the search facility would have answered.

Hope you get better soon AV. Regards GH