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I've checked the website for frankfurt messe for the 12th-19th December and there doesn't seem to be much going on. Could someone confirm this for if I do go during this period I don't want to end up with hoards of bodies everywhere in the clubs.
Many thanks
[QUOTE=Neurosynth; 1356221]Your need to grind on this topic day after day tells me this is a dysfunctional relationship. (Frankly I am at times skeptical as to whether this is real at all).
Tell her (1) you would never ask her to quit her work, but (2) out of respect for your relationship you're going to stop going with other girls at her club, and (3) you want sex with her from now on to be outside the club for free.
This would cost her a minimal amount of money if anything, and would recognize your relationship as being something more than commerce. Whatever her answer you come out ahead, because you will either be with her or you will stop wasting your time.[/QUOTE]This club girl relationship is on my mind big time so that may come out in my writing. I agree it is dysfunctional. I think my girl is mixed up like most girls that work in the clubs. This is not normal.
Why do you think this is not real? I give a lot of detail which is difficult to make up.
All the things you said about saying I do not want her to quite her work I have said. She wants to work for a couple of more years. This is not fine but we will work it out.
I keep telling her if we hook up I do not go with any other girls in the club. She says that is not a problem I go with other girls. She says this to me regularly and I say I really only want to go with her but she is so busy. I think she is a really popular girl in her club. There have been many times when I am sitting with her and a man comes up to her to ask if they can book her. This is odd in itself since the etiquette is if a girl is with a man then another man usually does not approach so it shows how men are interested enough to break that etiquette to come ask her if she would be free for them.
She can be booked for hours at a time and I just sit around waiting for her to come back to me afterwards. This is why last weekend when I saw her she just did 3 clients and made her money since each man took her for between 2 to 3 hours each. For each man she also spends prolonged social time before going to the room too. So sometimes I wonder if what she does with me is special. There are sex acts we do that I can believe are special since there were 2 acts that I have found are incredibly difficult to get and now on my last time I can add a third one which was truly biazzare one, but showed how much she liked me since she said it was for me. I never asked for it. She just saw the opportunity and just did it. It was a sex act that I think only couples that know each other well would do. I have never come across this act before but only heard about it, I think it would be a lot of money if you wanted it and a girl that is very trusting or reckless for that matter. This is pay for sex. She says only does these for me since I like them and so she enjoys it because I like them. Whatever it is she she has the right words to make you feel special.
If she is sitting with me she even asks me before she goes with a client is it okay to go or would I rather she stay with me. It took some heartache to get her to do that. She realises now it is important she does this if we sit together. I know she has her work mindset on but this is really only when I get to see her since the outside the club time is so little.
She even asks which girls I went with when I was in the club and she was not there. She thought it interesting and one session really funny. The comment was,"never in your life would have a chance to do such things."
The last point about only having sex with her outside the club for free is not going to happen at this point in the as you describe dysfunctional relationship. When we have gone out for no money it has been no sex and if we did do something intimate it would be a hug and a kiss as if it were a first, second or third date in normal life. None of the intimate and prolonged kissing we do in the club and what she does with her clients. The date that we did last she paid for the drinks saying we take turns to pay for our times together. She says we take it slowly as she has a lot of problems in her life right now which she explained to me.
When we did the escort thing which was the first thing we did outside the club, it was actually her idea and not mine. I was surprised. She described it as a way to get to know each other and did not have a price and wanted me to name something. She said she was happy with anything. I gave her something decent which was not excessive but then would be reasonable for 2 days, far far less than what she earns working in the club for 2 days given how popular she is. On the second day she say when we meet like this again all she wants is say petrol money as she drives many hours to come to the club. Her living so far away is another reason why logistics in meeting up is a problem amongst the other things she has going on.
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager; 1356443]I've checked the website for frankfurt messe for the 12th-19th December and there doesn't seem to be much going on. Could someone confirm this for if I do go during this period I don't want to end up with hoards of bodies everywhere in the clubs.
Many thanks[/QUOTE]I don't think there is a messe on.
[QUOTE=Geronimo11; 1356272]Me and 3 friends were in theüsseldorf last Tuesday. There was only 1 purpose, FKK!
Tuesday we were really excited. We went all the way from istanbul-turkey. My friends have been to GT before and we directly went there like kids going to a fair. We parked the car inside, went to the door, a nice lady opened, asked if we can speak dutch, and we said we can speak english. She looked at the bodyguards, the guy approved with his head and we entered. We were paying our 60 euros, suddenly one son of a * in shape of a hippopotamus appeared and told us that we can not go in. WHAT THE FUCK? Why? We were really good looking, wearing suits. The kady gave our money back and we went out. I didn't understand anything. As we went out really disappointed. 1 friend who can speak dutch told that guy doesn't like Turks. RACIST son of a * All across Europe they do meetings about anti-racism but one dickhead, didn't get us inside. It was really disappointing.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that but as you may read this attitute at GT is unfortunately since long in place. Also friends of mine have been refused even if they were with me and I am a know customer there.
It is exactly what it is, a policy and no exception. Or maybe exception I think have been done a few times but most likely for very good friends of the management.
[QUOTE=Geronimo11;1356272]We were paying our 60 euros, suddenly one son of a ***** in shape of a hippopotamus appeared and told us that we can not go in. WHAT THE FUCK? Why? We were really good looking, wearing suits. The lady gave our money back and we went out. I didn't understand anything. As we went out really disappointed. 1 friend who can speak dutch told that guy doesn't like Turks. RACIST son of a *****! All across Europe they do meetings about anti-racism but one dickhead, didn't get us inside. It was really disappointing.[/QUOTE]Don't forget, GoldenTime is a very successful club. Filled with customers and nice ladies. So I think, over all, they have a good strategy if they stick to this policy.
I wish some of their thinking would be applied in FKK-World too, that would help the women there a lot!
BTW: wearing suits and "looking good" sometimes doesn't help at all.
[QUOTE=Dufey;1356640]She can be booked for hours at a time and I just sit around waiting for her to come back to me afterwards. This is why last weekend when I saw her she just did 3 clients and made her money since each man took her for between 2 to 3 hours each. For each man she also spends prolonged social time before going to the room too. So sometimes I wonder if what she does with me is special. There are sex acts we do that I can believe are special since there were 2 acts that I have found are incredibly difficult to get and now on my last time I can add a third one which was truly biazzare one, but showed how much she liked me since she said it was for me. I never asked for it. She just saw the opportunity and just did it. It was a sex act that I think only couples that know each other well would do. I have never come across this act before but only heard about it, I think it would be a lot of money if you wanted it and a girl that is very trusting or reckless for that matter. This is pay for sex. She says only does these for me since I like them and so she enjoys it because I like them. Whatever it is she she has the right words to make you feel special.[/QUOTE]Gosh, the least you could do is describe the "special" acts to keep things interesting. I suspect it may be BBFS. In that case be careful because when a sexworker says "I only do this with you" it's not true 99.9% of the time.
So you sat around for at least 6 to 9 hours while she was away banging other customers? You're in a paradise of sex and you sit there like a cuckolded husband?
And there's almost no sex outside the club, and if there is it's paid for? That the amount she changes isn't the point. That she insists on that symbolic gesture tells you what you need to know. You're just a customer. Perhaps a favorite customer, but just a customer nevertheless. Wishing for anything more can only end in tears. I'm done.
Do members think fkk's have the best set up of any in the entire world? Having looked at many destinations and not really being a fan of oriental girls I am quickly starting to think this is true? Having done the fkk trip 10 times now and still far from sick of it I have a question; if members had a really deep wallet would they 1) do a mega fkk trip or 2) try somewhere new? The only other places I can think of are either buenos aires or termas in Rio but then you have safety issues; however I do dig white brazilian chicks. Feedback welcomed.
[QUOTE=Geronimo11; 1356272]Me and 3 friends were in theüsseldorf last Tuesday. There was only 1 purpose, FKK!
Tuesday we were really excited. We went all the way from istanbul-turkey. My friends have been to GT before and we directly went there like kids going to a fair. We parked the car inside, went to the door, a nice lady opened, asked if we can speak dutch, and we said we can speak english. She looked at the bodyguards, the guy approved with his head and we entered. We were paying our 60 euros, suddenly one son of a * in shape of a hippopotamus appeared and told us that we can not go in. WHAT THE FUCK? Why? We were really good looking, wearing suits. The kady gave our money back and we went out. I didn't understand anything. As we went out really disappointed. 1 friend who can speak dutch told that guy doesn't like Turks. RACIST son of a * All across Europe they do meetings about anti-racism but one dickhead, didn't get us inside. It was really disappointing.[/QUOTE]Geronimo11,
I have answered your question on the Golden Time thread so that future readers can know your experience with Golden Time's door policy for certain ethnic groups.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1356071]I am planning to be there starting Jan 10. Will most of girls return from X-mass holidays that time?[/QUOTE]I hope there are some girls around. I will be driving to the clubs after my working week 4 to 6 January. 11 to 13 January and 18 to 20 January. There is a big Messe in the last week of Janaury that I usually give a miss to.
If in doubt you send an email or an sms to your girls to check who is around anyway to know if you are onto a sure thing or not.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth; 1356806]Gosh, the least you could do is describe the "special" acts to keep things interesting. I suspect it may be BBFS. In that case be careful because when a sexworker says "I only do this with you" it's not true 99. 9% of the time.
So you sat around for at least 6 to 9 hours while she was away banging other customers? You're in a paradise of sex and you sit there like a cuckolded husband?
And there's almost no sex outside the club, and if there is it's paid for? That the amount she changes isn't the point. That she insists on that symbolic gesture tells you what you need to know. You're just a customer. Perhaps a favorite customer, but just a customer nevertheless. Wishing for anything more can only end in tears. I'm done.[/QUOTE]I thank you for staying with this theme. Your comments are appreciated and it has helped me firm some things in my mind as to what to do. I just need to stay the course. My work is getting affected since I think of this girl so much and with some changes at work I cannot be on the beck and call of such a whimsical girl no matter how interested I am in her. She is dysfunctional and it is driving me crazy.
I fear saying what the special acts we do together are since that could pinpoint us, but I can confirm that we do not perform BBFS. Whatever we do we remain careful. The last special act had the same theme as Twilight if that helps. I do take your point about whatever she is saying that what I do for you is only for you. I know 100% that girls lie about all sorts of things. For example, she may say you are the first customer I have seen outside the club then a few days later they mention in passing about what she and another customer did outside the club together.
Yes, you have it in one about the cukolded husband. I will explain how much waiting I did. First up, I waited 7. 5 hours before I booked her to the room. I got to the club early but she arrived maybe 1 hour later. She had promised to be at the club the same time as me, but she had rung that she was running late and we would be going out that night to an event or a bar. That was a surprise since I was not expecting to go out of the club this visit at all. She said she just wanted to. So she is in the club one hour later than I had expected when I could book her first. Then she spends half hour in the ladies and then I find she has been chatting to her girlfriend, Then she comes and sits with me for say 30 minutes and she smokes while we hug, kiss a bit, hold hands, etc. Then she says she needs to go have lunch with her girlfriend and her girlfriend prefers I not sit with them since I can understand their language so they can talk freely. Ok I say. I get some more lip kisses. So I let them eat together. Then the girls come out to smoke and keep chatting. More of her girlfriends turn up and they are all chatting away for a few minutes. So I go over and join the girls and the girls see this and make their excuses that they have to work and leave us. I then get maybe another 20 minutes with her sitting together touching, kissing, and chatting. Then I spot a regular customer she has who has made a booking come into the club and I stupidly point him out to her since she had not noticed him. He is early by 1 hour. My girl says can she go with him so she can come back to me as quick as possible. I relent and go okay. The guy books her for 2. 5 hours in the room but with half hour social time before the room and after the room she always seems to take half hour to collect money, wash out and re-do her make up it ends up being 3. 5 hours later before she comes back available again. So in that 7 hours she has made just a minimum 250€ without extras or tips and missed me booking an early session and then me doing another session after which I do. She says to me she is in the club to make money but when I see what she does she spends more time socialising with her friends and customers than in the room. It is only then I can book her.
My girl asks me to come have dinner with her and her girlfriend and we go get some food and eat together. Afterwards we sit together and we touch and we kiss in the main bar area. I get worked up and have to ask her to go to the room. In all my bookings she has never asked about the room. I take her for 3 hours after maybe a bit of social time before and a few minutes wait for the room since the club has gotten busy now. I come 3 times and she comes 4 times she claims. I give her 400€ since I do two extras which she charges for, the other extras she does not. She actually cuts the room booking short since she reminds me that we spent the last maybe 20 minutes just talking and she said she did not want to charge for talking and prefer we talk outside the room. She says for customers she does not mind just talking and charging for it but not for me as she feels bad. She says only book her when I want sex but not for talking, since we can talk outside the room. Anyway we are going out tonight she says and we can talk then too.
Then after our booking I think she has some time to sit with me socially. So I wait half hour for her to go shower and re-do her make up. She then comes to me and says another customer has booked her just as she came out of the ladies changing room and he is waiting for her now. She said to him that she wanted to go smoke and came to see me to tell me she was booked again. So she has her smoke and stupidly I point out another customer she knows who comes over to us and she and him chat as I stand with her with my hands around her. She then gives me a kiss on the lips and off she goes. She is away for another 2. 5 hours for I think a 1. 5 hour room booking since again she spends around 30-40 minutes social time sitting with her client and kissing and fondling then after the room her usual half hour showering and re-doing making up. So she makes another minimum 150€ on that booking. I do not know if there were any other extras or tips. So I think she made at least 800€ in the 12-13 hours she was on the club floor. I get told by another popular girl recently written about on the forum a fair bit that she only made 600€ in one week in the same week when I saw her.
I then catch up with her and ask when we are going out and she says yes, sometime, but first she wants to go to talk to her girlfriends and says it okay that I come with her with her friends to chat. The girls are girls I know from other club from a while back and it is good to catch up. Once cigarette finished we go out of the club separately and meet up outside to go out. She pays.
So I take your point about being treated like a customer. I am beginning to feel that too now. I do not want to end in tears. It would be too much. Thank you for clarifying.
She's fucking around with you. She treats you like a dog because you are a safe customer for her. She does what she wants, you wait for her, she goes with other customers and has meals with her friends. You wait. You pay her more or less the regular price. Perfect situation for her. She really found somebody she can take advantage of. My 0, 02$: Change the club. Or at least the girl. Fuck other girls.
HB
Dufey,
I think this relationship with club girls is really hard as you can't even Trust her. I mean you are always questioning her motives. I agree with hessen but to me if you can get a club girl who is young and hot the I think you should just go outside and find yourself a girl on the outside. With these girls you are always questioning their motives and you can never know in front of you it would seem you mean the word to them but in the girls changing room she might call you her poodle number 3.
But serioudly dufey you already know the answer to this. You can't even trust her hence the reason you are posting all this info in this thread. Maybe it is your gut feeling saying you are getting played.
Fuck other girls or just get a real girlfriend on the outside while age is still on your side.
[QUOTE=Dufey;1356992]The last special act had the same theme as Twilight if that helps.[/QUOTE]What, she drinks your blood or something? This is getting weird.
I finally have to have my say. I agree more or less with HB though I think I have a bit more understanding of why the girl may attract you so. Been close to this myself. In the end though, what I realised, was that as long as you are paying her you are first and foremost a customer. You may well be a favoured / favorite customer but you are still a customer. The only way to move it along is to stop the payment.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1357019]What, she drinks your blood or something? This is getting weird.
I finally have to have my say. I agree more or less with HB though I think I have a bit more understanding of why the girl may attract you so. Been close to this myself. In the end though, what I realised, was that as long as you are paying her you are first and foremost a customer. You may well be a favoured / favorite customer but you are still a customer. The only way to move it along is to stop the payment.
AM[/QUOTE]This is a good benchmark and I totally agree with angus. If she loves you sex would be free.
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1356851]Do members think fkk's have the best set up of any in the entire world? Having looked at many destinations and not really being a fan of oriental girls I am quickly starting to think this is true? Having done the fkk trip 10 times now and still far from sick of it I have a question; if members had a really deep wallet would they 1) do a mega fkk trip or 2) try somewhere new? The only other places I can think of are either buenos aires or termas in Rio but then you have safety issues; however I do dig white brazilian chicks. Feedback welcomed.[/QUOTE]Heard termas in Rio is the bomb. But for me if I had sponsored flight and accomodation colmbia would be my 1s choice. My god martha of palace certainly was the most beautifull girl I have fucked in my WHOLE life! If I can her for 100 euro in germany I think I might get more than that in Columbia. To bad no sponsored flight and accomodation for me LOL.