Tokyo

Thanks Sailing,I havn't found any ads that specificallty specify FS in the base price, so I think I'll hold off on that for a bit, unless there are some specific recommendations for particular agencies and girls.Just a tip about another gaigin-friendly Soap in Tsuchiura. I started out intending to pay another visit to Prin-Prin, which I posted about a while back. But I was ?pulled in? by a tout, from the ?Banana Boat?--another Soap near the train station in Tsuchiura. The girl, Akari, about 27, was a bit thick, but had a pretty face and a nice attitude. She provided a fun soap raft slip and slide session with nice cock and ball massage. The BJ was covered, and no DFK. Even tough I gently persisted, I could not get any ?kissu? this time! That was the only major disappointment, as DFK is really crucial to me for a first rate experience. She really enjoyed DATY, though, and allowed very careful digital insertion and seemed to enjoy the G-spot simulation. And she allowed two rounds of unrushed covered full service. Price: ne man yen for 70 minutes. All in all, about a 7 in both looks and performance, with very professional service, with lots of ?arragatto gozimashide?s" from the staff when leaving--the owner even insisted I take an umbrella to walk back to the station in the rain! And now a question--I have been much less successful in getting DFK from Japanese girls than other nationalities. They seem to withhold this-- much more so than the Thai or Chinese girls I?ve had, or the Western girls back home. And I have been told by many Japanese girls now that DFK is just not the Japanese way. My question is--is this really true? Do Japanese girls normally not kiss? And how would some of you more experienced gaigin mongers approach this? Any tips? Surely there are some of you out there that consider this as important to the experience as I do! And I am thinking of trying the Koganecho area in Yokohama soon. Any tips, or specific venues, regarding the girls there, especially regarding DFK? Thanks for your help!

Japan,For whatever reason the girl didn't want to do DFK, it's not a Japanese thing or anthing like that, lots of places offer that. My question is: why would youwant a DFK? These girls may have done that with lots of guys, its a good way to catch a cold, I tell you. I like a little kissing but try not to DFK if possible.One place where a kiss is offered as part of the service is Nishi-Kawaguchi, it all depends on the girl, though whether they will DFK or not.

Japan,I tend to agree with DogJamm regarding DFK. Why would you want to? Probably not much as much risk as FS without a raincoat but you can catch some nasty bugs from mouth-to-mouth contact.As much as I enjoy DATY, I never do it with a working girl, which doesn't eliminate risk but it is certainly much safer doing it with a girl you know fairly well. VD sucks and HIV can kill you so it's not really worth it for me.

Can someone let me know the directions to Seiki 21. I am sure they have been posted but the search for them is a little maddening.Thanks In Advance

Hi there - Shin Okubo update1) visited 2 massage places (esute - ?G?X?e) . Just as you exit the station turn right and proceed under the bridge. Go 2 small streets and turn right - you will see the signboards. 1 bulding 5 or 6 floors. The 5th floor has a Japanese health place but they don't accept foreigners. The massage places are good for massage and HJ but not much else. I couldn't even get my fingers in their pie!2) Another place - again exit station, turn right. Walk under the bridge then cross to other side of the road. On the same side of street as hiking or camping supply place (can't remember name) Go about 2 or 3 buldings more. You will see signboard for esute and at night a girl or 2 touting. I went to the 5th floor location. First you walk in the bulding, then up stairs to 3rd floor. Then elevator to 5th. Mixed girls from korea, HK and SHanghai. Had a very pleasant time with a SH girl. CBJ, CFS, massage, leisurely. Not a bad value for 12k - they want 18k. Prolly get them to 10k/45min not much problem. I didn't want to spoil it for the group by being a hard bargaining dick, so went halfway and paid 12 - the girl was very accomodating and GFE (enough for me anyways)3) Not many SW on the usual strolls. They have migrated towards Okubo station - prolly due to the cameras now on the street poles by the usual places near the Love Hotels. Walking back to Shinjuku - not much along the 'Nut Club' stroll by the hospital - the usual skanky suspects.Ciao

I'm coming to Tokyo in a few weeks and was hoping to make contact with a Japanese woman, non-pro, via email before I go. Does anyone have any good web sites, chat rooms, or message boards that are good for meeting non-pro, Japanese women?Thanks

Homer69 and Dog Jamm,Yes, you can catch things from DFK, but not much that you won't get eventually anyway by riding the Joban line full of coughers and hackers! Why DFK? To me, the experience is just not the same without it! A certain sensuality that is hard to describe. But I can understand that some don't find it all that important. To each, his own!But that raises a question. To me, the much over-used term "GFE" implies DFK as a matter of course. Is that the way most use that term on this board? If not, what DOES GFE mean? Please post your ideas about this, guys. It does help, I think, if we all agree on what the words mean, even if we have (inevitably) different ideas about what we want!

Etchy: I was just in Tokyo but didn't visit 21 on this trip. I posted some very precise directions a long time ago (others did also) but they are no longer in the archives. Here's what I remember. If I make any errors I hope someone else will correct them. Use the Hachiko exit at Shibuya Station. Cross the street and use the ?middle? street keeping Starbucks on your right side as you walk up the street. You?ll also see a HMV music store on that street. HMV will be on your right as you proceed up the street. Its 5 minutes walk to Seiki 21. Seiko 21 is on the left facing a Java coffee store. There used to be a hamburger place next door to the coffee shop. There is a sign on the outside with the number 21 recognizable. The rest of the sign is written in the local language. Use the elevator on the right side of a restaurant. 21 is on the 3rd floor.Utamaro is on the 4th floor of same building as Seiki 21. Pinnochio's is a 2 minute walk furthur up the street (away from Shibuya Station) on your right.

Gentlemen,If any of you would be up for some nampa action this Thursday in Tokyo (and maybe next Thursday as well), send me a PM.I've been in Nihon for a while and have a good command of the language; however, the finer points of nampa still elude me. If you can share any pointers, that would be great. If not, that's cool too. Just have to master the art by doing it, I guess.Henry

JImBehr20,I think what I am enjoying most about this board is the response I get from my fellow hobbyists. Thanks for the info, actually got it PM`d to me as well. Headin to Shibuya tonight but think it is a Tower sort of day.Will post of my adventures.

For what it is worth,GFE should include DFK, DATY, FS, BBBJ, DIGITAL INSERTION, POTENTIALLY AF (Additional ??), message, and a thank you!Anything less would simply be an GE.

I agree with Etchy's description, although I doubt many GFs are willing to allow AF.AF is more of a PSE in my book.In addition, many real Japanese GF experiences may be rather quiet and submissive, but a good service provider may give a more vocal and exciting time.Of course, a JGF who gives a PSE and AF would be ideal.

You're welcome Etchy. Please post your adventures. Have heard about the Tower but I don't know what it is or how it works.

Etchy,I agree completely! As far as J-girls go, I got that from a fine, gorgeous Japanese stripper named Miko, at a strip club called the Market Cinema in San Francisco. She is REALLY Japanese, too, with very little English! But I have yet to get that kind of service--or anything even approaching, yet, here in Japan. I am still looking, though! I guess I just have not been here long enough yet!

I'm not that much into complete GFE with professionals but my understanding is that it includes some cuddling together after you shoot your load and not an immediate rise and clean up.Also, most professional services include cleaning you and your little guy up afterwards with hot towels or moist cloths and very few GF I've ever had will do that sort of thing.So, if GFE means you have to clean yourself up then I'm not really into that part, either.My personal perception of what GFE is with professional girls is that they will behave as if they care about you in an unhurried manner and show some mock affection for you. They will also act like they are really into it and enjoying it, too.What is not part of GFE with professional girls is the nagging and complaining that comes with real GF. ;-)>>Etchy said, "GFE should include DFK, DATY, FS, BBBJ, DIGITAL INSERTION, POTENTIALLY AF (Additional ??), message, and a thank you!"