Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

I can't believe the situation is so bad now that next time I will have to ask girl whether she kisses or not. This is not the service I used to get in Thailand

[QUOTE=Francesco24;1763689]I first went to Snow White looking for Amy but she wasn't working. Line up quite bad, so moved to Cherry. At Cherry was looking for Yaya or Angie but both weren't working, again line up quite bad. Went to Addict, line up was a lot better and choose Ice (even if my first choices Sandy / Oil weren't working too).

She looks quite better than her only picture on the website, was smiling the most in the lineup and also in the room was initially fun with slim / firm body when naked and cute face. After shower the service started to be bad straight away. Kissing was "available" at first but she opened her mouth just about half centimeter and just stood there (after that when I tried again later on she didn't even open her mouth that half centimeter). BBBJ was mechanical and after a minute or so she asked to cover before continue it a few more minutes. Of course sex too was nothing special, she just lay down there. Finished everything in 40 minutes (include shower at the end) and wasn't offered any massage and just walked downstairs.

Looks like last time wasn't enough to learn my lesson and at least ask about kissing availability before selecting her (well, this never happened to me before in many years. But looks like I'll have to adapt). At the end, a cute girl just doesn't do much for me if she not allows kissing and she's good at it showing (or faking) some interest / passions.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1763619]Unfortunately I am warped toward super models and very pretty faces, which rules out the vast majority of PSE shop girls and I have to make time to look in lots of places if possible, be prepared to pay more, and have plenty of failures. I can forgive some defects especially as not a tit man, but girls have to be slimmish and well above average looks and fun.

I do however appreciate that other guys are looking for performance. I can understand that lots of MP girls need that to be able to make a living. Many have ordinary looks.

I have taken older super star PSE girls like Dao, Cheer, etc. but they just don't do anything for me any more. For some reason, a stunner with average to good performance works better for me. We can't all be the same.

It's so fortunate that we all don't have the same taste.

So I would like to see a little more respect from posters about what others guys like that may not agree with our personal taste. A little less shit dumping. I may have been guilty myself on occasion being mystified with another person's choice and too critical. It is hard to stand a rave about a less than average girl.[/QUOTE]Yes, thankfully we don't all have the same taste or needs. Personally it is getting harder and harder for me to find much of anything I am satisfied with. I think many of us old "oily" guys became really spoiled with Barons, Tulip, and Mango / SW back in the day. There was that wonderful combination of looks and stellar performance that is so hard to find. Truth be told whether I have a sesh with a gal who is not that much of a looker but a great performer or a good looker who does not perform, I leave less than satisfied, often thinking that I would have been better staying home, whittling the puppet, and saving the 2100 Baht. Rare is the sesh I leave with legs ready to buckle thinking that it could not get any better.

A few posts about Candy Massage here lately. I have made several passes through and even thought I am sure the performance is great, I just can't really get past the looks of most of the gals. Same holds true for Tulip now as well. I do see some lookers hanging out at some of the more Asian oriented venues on 24/1 but know that the performance is not going to be up to snuff, so again, I pass. Sadly my two regular oily gals have just left the biz. One off to lands where she will make more and the other back home to open a club. I am not optimistic about finding replacements, although I remain hopeful. Up until a few years ago I never really had regulars at the oilies. I would go into Snow or Mango and there would be a host of lookers and they would pretty much perform up to standard.

My expectations are also tied in with what the tariff is. Was in Pattaya last weekend and made my first visit to Kinnaree Place. Quite a few gals that were very good looking. Some could easily be stars at most BKK GoGos. Even Syz could find something to his liking. ST was 1 k plus 350 for the room. Of course you don't get PSE performance, more of a pretty good standard ST, but at 1350 that is ok. Boost that up to 2100 for 90 min in the oilies and I expect a bit more, which in many cases I am not getting.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1764051]Sadly my two regular oily gals have just left the biz. One off to lands where she will make more and the other back home to open a club. I am not optimistic about finding replacements, although I remain hopeful. Up until a few years ago I never really had regulars at the oilies. I would go into Snow or Mango and there would be a host of lookers and they would pretty much perform up to standard.
[/QUOTE]"host of lookers" is slightly optimistic. LOL I don't actually find any super lookers in Snow White these days. Who would they be in case I just failed to meet them? New Emmy was a good enough case (despite nose job).

Favourites disappearing is also my big problem. They don't usually last very long in the business. Just too good looking to stay.

A favourite soapy girl from many years ago, still at La Belle today, got older, service declined badly, and recently when I saw her, I could not recognise her with a new very long "Nixon" nose. First pic is 2008, 2nd is 2011 and already girl looks slightly different. Right now I don't even recognise her any more. Legs got too big as well. Natural tits and never needed a nose job now which makes her look silly.

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On Baccara: I think you and I will have to agree to disagree. 555. I like the place. For me, Baccara is like home. I have known a bunch of Baccara girls for a long time and a couple of waitresses as well, so I always get taken care of very well. In addition, Baccara has so many girls to choose from that I never have trouble finding 3 or 4 shag worthy girls. Crazy House is a welcome addition to Soi Cowboy and I now prefer it slightly over Baccara. They are two very different types of establishments. I like the nudity in CH and some CH girls are very hot, plus things can become much more wild in CH compared to Baccara especially when you take a girl up to the 2nd floor, but CH is a much smaller place and the head mamasan is a pain. No place is perfect.

I too know what I like when I see it. I think I am pretty particular about who I shag, but I am also sure that some guys would be quite mystified with my choices. I like pretty faces, natural Thai bodies, and demure, friendly personalities.[/QUOTE]Its a simple thing. Guys that like Baccara and La Belle, most likely are not minding girls with nose jobs. I hate these beacons on the front of the face mostly, will sometimes tolerate one, if all other things are good. I don't mind an undetectable nose job, which is less than 10% of them unfortunately. I am not at all impressed by big fake coconuts too. Also these establishments typically have girls with a different type of semi-Farang look and sometimes a doll like look, often with weird contrived hairstyles, neither of which I go for, but others do. I have had a couple of nice girls out of Baccara in the far past, but I get bored in their very quickly in rare recent visits. It is tough to find a good natural girl in there. I also get bored very quickly in Tilac, and most bars unless I have a special girl or two. I mean bars are generally pretty boring, right. You need to have something a bit special to tweak the interest.

Another problem with Baccara downstairs. Tend to be so many girls packed on the stage, that its very hard to see many of them properly without doing circuits of the stage, and even then they still have tits covered (no good).

In Thai Lakhorn (TV soapy series), in the modern day, most of the actresses have a nose job. Its very well accepted. In the old days, like 15 to 20 years ago when I watched these shows to improve my Thai understanding, very few had nose jobs, and I got used to natural beauty looks. Fortunately some older stars return sometimes. Teya who starred in 2000 series "Prissana", still looks good in Lakhorn "Seua", 15 years later. Well over 30 now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1764085]"host of lookers" is slightly optimistic. LOL I don't actually find any super lookers in Snow White these days. Who would they be in case I just failed to meet them? New Emmy was a good enough case (despite nose job).

Favourites disappearing is also my big problem. They don't usually last very long in the business. Just too good looking to stay.

A favourite soapy girl from many years ago, still at La Belle today, got older, service declined badly, and recently when I saw her, I could not recognise her with a new very long "Nixon" nose. First pic is 2008, 2nd is 2011 and already girl looks slightly different. Right now I don't even recognise her any more. Legs got too big as well. Natural tits and never needed a nose job now which makes her look silly.[/QUOTE]Neither do I and that is the problem. I was referring to the "host of lookers" when SW and Mango first opened.

Actually I find her look in 2011 far more to my tastes than the 2008 pic. "Nixon" nose! Love that expression. Most excellent.

The amazing thing about most of the original Tulip and Barons cast that are still around today; absolutely no decline in service level. Those Nakhon Phanom gals were such wonderful providers.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1763925]Location right at the entry of soi, first shop on right had side on entry.
Number of girls activ currently: 8-10.
Owner / manager. Candy, works herself there, so sometimes may not be at the desk.
Quality - 6-8 mostly (YMMV), 2 absolute gems. Yaya and Guitar, Tall & Svelte.
For people who love big girls (Not fat) - try Pang and Kiwi.
BBBJ available with all ladies, (Fon is fantastic at that)
Anal, rimming, duos, trios are all available, Complete PSE oily place.
Rooms OK OK. But who goes there for rooms!!

NOTE: Not all ladies are on website. Sometimes rooms can get quite busy with only 2-3 girls available.

Best time to see all girls: 1 - 2 PM.[/QUOTE]Do you have any comments on Cee, Namwaan, and NeNe? Not seen, or seen but not slim like their pics, or severely photoshopped?

I guess Guitar is the obvious one for me to try.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1763783]Honestly, I have had very few gals in my 16 years here that were averse to DFK. A few yes, but very few. I would say that most enjoy the attention.[/QUOTE]I would have to guess that your sample is very unrepresentative due to liking PSE girls. I find a lot of girls not into DFK. I don't mean any where near 50% but its still significant. Even my GF is not that big on DFK unless she gets sexually aroused. She will be worried her mouth is not clean and bad breathe (a smoker).

I find a few tequilas can loosen up the inhibitions of plenty of bargirls though, making them suddenly horny and forgetting the possible boyfriend, and suddenly the DFK starts up when they loose themselves. First session with May-Lee, a stunner at Crazy House, was very ordinary with restrictions. 2nd time after a few tequilas, she was passionate, into it, and restrictions disappeared. Massive change.

Many Thai girls seem to think they should save DFK for a guy they are in love with. Others think they will get sick from it, which is technically wrong. More likely to catch a virus from being breathed on at close range.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1764099]I would have to guess that your sample is very unrepresentative due to liking PSE girls. I find a lot of girls not into DFK. I don't mean any where near 50% but its still significant. Even my GF is not that big on DFK unless she gets sexually aroused. She will be worried her mouth is not clean and bad breathe (a smoker).

I find a few tequilas can loosen up the inhibitions of plenty of bargirls though, making them suddenly horny and forgetting the possible boyfriend, and suddenly the DFK starts up when they loose themselves. First session with May-Lee, a stunner at Crazy House, was very ordinary with restrictions. 2nd time after a few tequilas, she was passionate, into it, and restrictions disappeared. Massive change.

Many Thai girls seem to think they should save DFK for a guy they are in love with. Others think they will get sick from it, which is technically wrong. More likely to catch a virus from being breathed on at close range.[/QUOTE]Actually Syz my first seven years here were strictly GoGo gals and FLs (mainly Nana Disco and Thermae). Probably racked up about 500 gals during that time. I really never had many issues with DFK. Almost all liked it or were at least good actresses. And I will add that most of my running buddies never had issues with DFK either. Amazing how we can have such different experiences. Of course during that time I was always the one to run the show. The minute the ST hotel room door would close I would be all over them like horny teenager, kissing, fondling, and the like. Often I would hear, "shower, shower," to which I would reply, "after, after." As you stated a few drinks loosens the mood and bit and I always had a drink or two with the GoGo gals and the FLs. Most were about as ready as I was when we got to the hotel, with action in the taxi more often than not. Yes, there were a few duds, but very few. Times have certainly changed. Most of the gals at that time were looking for a BF or sponsor. When they found out I lived here and we hit the room; the sales pitch was on. Now some of the good ones make so much it tends to be assembly line sex. The last thing they want is to get involved with either the sex or the dude.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1763783]Honestly, I have had very few gals in my 16 years here that were averse to DFK. A few yes, but very few. I would say that most enjoy the attention.[/QUOTE]Then you must be a [I]so handsome man[/I] Goatscrot! Seriously though I think a lot of it has to do with chemistry and personal attraction. The ladies are human after all, and for a working girl kissing can be considered a more intimate act than giving a BJ or fucking.

If kissing is a high priority with the OP he might be better off looking for a club lady where the build up is longer, she chooses you as well as you choosing her, and better chemistry can be formed.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1763989]I can't believe the situation is so bad now that next time I will have to ask girl whether she kisses or not. This is not the service I used to get in Thailand[/QUOTE]I think we are talking about relative expectations here. There is kissing and there is [I]kissing[/I]. I have generally not had an issue with getting some lip locking and tongue action within a session. That is all I am really looking for. But if you are talking about extended non-stop DFK like she is your long lost love that is IMO probably less likely to occur in a shop session. And if you go down on her she will likely be reluctant to kiss you directly after that unless you do the mouth wash rinse thing.

SL.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1763827]But of course, you don't know the truth, until you hear both sides. And the other side of this is that a lot of guys aren't good at pleasing their lady in bed. And a lot of guys don't even try to please their woman. Why would a woman want to have sex with her guy, when it doesn't do much for her? A P4P lady would say, it's her pay. But a married woman or a girlfriend doesn't get paid like this. Her only reason might be the guy being good in bed with her. Which quite often isn't the case. And for this reason I would say that guys are to some extent to blame for this problem. Because guys can learn to be good in bed with their ladies. It's a solvable problem. All you need is some interest and some motivation.[/QUOTE]Last time I checked, women could actually still talk! If she isn't happy with his performance, why doesn't she just say so, in a friendly way of course? You seem to assume that it is always the guy who has to "take care" for the success of sex in a relationship.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1764210]Then you must be a so handsome man Goatscrot! Seriously though I think a lot of it has to do with chemistry and personal attraction. The ladies are human after all, and for a working girl kissing can be considered a more intimate act than giving a BJ or fucking.[/QUOTE]Comparing like with like, it is my experience that I got more P4P girls do DFK in Thailand (or SE Asia in general) than in Europe.

Hookers in Europe almost never allow kissing on the lips and invariably their reason is that such is reserved for lovers only. DFK they might perhaps do for an extra fee. They seem to be able to divide "love" (with their lover only) from "sex" (with is just a job with their clients) and DFK, especially when they are paid for it, becomes part of their job somehow.

European style kissing in Thailand has for long been kind of strange for Thai girls. They just were not "in" to it and found it somewhat "icky". Mouths are for talking and eating (two favourite passtimes for Thai girls), but kissing and oral sex have to be taught to them. On the other hand, kissing does not automatically come with the cultural baggage of "love" we Westerners understand it to have. So Thai pros are more easy to add kissing to their repertoire without reserving that for their Thai boyfriends only. Unless of course they have become so westernized that kissing equals love in their minds.

Many years ago I spend about a week learning a Thai GF how to kiss, DFK and enjoy DATY and BJ. Strangely enough, kissing remained clearly linked to sex in her mind. Kissing her (and DFK even more so) really makes her horny and gets her love juices flowing. That never happend with any European girl I have known.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1764232]Last time I checked, women could actually still talk! If she isn't happy with his performance, why doesn't she just say so, in a friendly way of course? You seem to assume that it is always the guy who has to "take care" for the success of sex in a relationship.[/QUOTE]A lot of guys are so bad in bed that their woman either never has orgasm, or it happens very rarely.

[URL]http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a28359/orgasm-deficit/[/URL]

Which is a very different situation from the way it is for guys. Guys have orgasm virtually 100% of the time. And this is why guys are usually more into sex, than women are.

How is a woman to know that her not having orgasm is a problem, when orgasm was never a part of her experience to begin with? It's not as if women are born with the knowledge that sex is supposed to be pleasant for them. Women rely on their experience to know what's normal or not. And if all of their sexual experience hasn't been that pleasant for them, then that's what becomes normal for them. They don't expect anything different from their guys. And telling their guy about it makes no sense. Why would they tell their guy about something that's "normal"?

The only way to know that something is good or bad is to have both kinds of experiences, so that you can tell the difference. And if your experience is bad every time, then this just becomes normal, and you don't know anything different.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1764093]girls with nose jobs.... I hate these beacons on the front of the face mostly, will sometimes tolerate one, if all other things are good. I don't mind an undetectable nose job, which is less than 10% of them unfortunately.

In Thai Lakhorn (TV soapy series), in the modern day, most of the actresses have a nose job. Its very well accepted. In the old days, like 15 to 20 years ago when I watched these shows to improve my Thai understanding, very few had nose jobs, and I got used to natural beauty looks. Fortunately some older stars return sometimes. Teya who starred in 2000 series "Prissana", still looks good in Lakhorn "Seua", 15 years later. Well over 30 now.[/QUOTE]I prefer natural noses too, but I am not as opposed to a nose job as much as you are as long as it is not totally obvious and calls attention to itself and especially if as you say, "all other things are good."

A while back I reported on a friend of M's, a very sweet Baccara girl, who I used to think I would one day get around to shagging. Between my 2014 and my spring 2015 visit little Dom had a nose job that completely transformed her face so much that I did not recognize her when I first saw her again post operation. Initially she was waving at me from across the room and I had no idea who she was, LOL. I did figure it out though by the time she sprinted over to my table. Prior to the operation Dom had a cute little Thai nose. Now she sports a Tom Cruise high ridge Aquiline nose which just does not fit her round face. It looks just awful on her and sadly I can't see myself shagging her anymore. IMHO her surgeon should be sued for malpractice and I doubt she will recoup the cost of the operation from any increased business although that was the plan. She asked me if I liked her new look. What could say? I told her she looked great.

I get a kick out of the Thai soapies too. M and I like to watch her favorite shows before we boom boom. There are a lot of very attractive actresses on those shows that I would love to meet and I don't care what they cost. 555. I can usually tell who has seen the doctor and who has not, but in a lot of examples, the girls still look pretty good to me. The thing I object to most is silly cones.

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I find a few tequilas can loosen up the inhibitions of plenty of bargirls though, making them suddenly horny and forgetting the possible boyfriend, and suddenly the DFK starts up when they loose themselves. [/QUOTE]Tequila works for my gals. Two shots really warms a girl up and gets her in the mood for love. Of course some girls don't need to loosened up. Ha Ha. But I would rather buy a girl a Tequila than some sugar water. I just wish the Go Go's stocked some high quality aged 100% Blue Agave Tequila like 1921 Reposado or Casa Noble Anejo. Last trip I brought a bottle of Casa Noble with me from the USA wrapped in bubble wrap and plastic in my suitcase. The bottle made the journey intact.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1764210]Then you must be a [I]so handsome man[/I] Goatscrot! Seriously though I think a lot of it has to do with chemistry and personal attraction. The ladies are human after all, and for a working girl kissing can be considered a more intimate act than giving a BJ or fucking..[/QUOTE]Sure there is chemistry involved, but I let's not forget Thais are very visually oriented and to the gals appearance counts for a lot. Grooming also. I am amazed at some of the punters I see out and about. I am shocked any gal would go anywhere near them.