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[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1373896]Depends on the bar or the visitor maybe? Never had a girl refuse to go out with me. Took many dozens from many different bars. Pretty sure it's against the rules in a lot of places for them to refuse you, and while I wouldn't want to go with someone who didn't want to go with me, I think they'll have a lot of trouble with the mamasan if they refuse barfines (cherry girls are another story, but that's marked right on their I'd so no problem there).

Sure it could happen, especially at a place like Atlantis. I have seen girls refuse to go out with Koreans and some other older white guys. I'd say at least half of the Pinays I've been with have told me they don't like Koreans, Japanese, black guys and / or Indians. They seem to like to volunteer this information. Asked one girl who I ended up taking a few days why she didn't go with the big spender Korean she was sitting with early. She said "Koreans are bad. Drink okay, but not go out. I always tell them I have mens [period] if they try to barfine me."

YMMV is the key I guess.[/QUOTE]It might be an age thing. I'm 55 and out of the 6 of us there was only one guy younger. I pull young girls in the states on a regular basis. Look at some of my posts on the USA guide for quality.

I had a few mamasans outright tell me that a girl only goes with Koreans. I started asking after getting a few rebuffs. There is no pressure for the girl to barfine. Every mamasan will tell you thats "its up to the girl." I imagine if it were mandatory it would put it into another light as far as the law was concerned. I know of a few stories where a girl ran without any service and the guys were told "All you are paying for is the girls to leave the bar with you." Anything else would be prostitution I guess.

A good play is to engage and buy the mama a few drinks and get her sitting with you. That way you get the lowdown on the girls. They will tell you if they get complaints about them, if they are enthusiastic and if they go with "foreigners"

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1373997]Agreed.

Lots of guys boast how they always go bareback in AC (and everywhere else) but I suspect only a very small percentage actually post about any diseases that they contract. I think the absence of posts does not correlate with the incidence of infections. After all, who wants to admit that they caught something while mongering?[/QUOTE]I have caught stuff while mongering whats so hard confessing to something like that? I go bareback from time to time in AC not always on every girl but once I am with a girl a few days I have done it. The STD clinics in AC are always busy so guys are getting things. The free clinic here in my hometown is always full on STD days. Shot and pills and your back in the game.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1373962]They line up on their day off and get a pap smear in public (in full view of the other girls waiting). That's it. If they pay a little more they can get the pap smear in private.

No HIV testing, no blood testing. And again, if they come up positive for something that doesn't mean they have to quit working, depending on the bar. I knew of at least two girls who absolutely had herpes outbreaks on their pussies and continued working with full knowledge of the German owner.[/QUOTE]It is not a pap smear. Pap smear is used exclusively to detect cervical cancer. They put the smear on a slide and examine under a microscope to detect cancer or pre-cancerous cells. It is done here in USA once a year as regular check up. Nowadays they have vaccinations for cervical cancer because it is caused by human papilloma virus transmitted during sexual enclunter. Men do carry this virus but it does cause any problems to men except for warts in some cases.

Girls in A tell me once a week they need to go for " Hygiene " examination. The nurse most often examines the vagina and if she find anything like redness, smell etc she refers to the Doctor and Doctor will look into it further. Only if some discharge or smell or redness is seen they take a swab. Not sure what they do with the swab. If a girl fails it will be stamped on her report and she is advised to get treatment from other doctors. She is also adviced to stop working or having sex.

Generally what happens is only girls who are fastidious in keep[ing clean and have money to do it go to a specialist and get treated. Most go to the corner pharmacy and get antibiotis. Most go through the whole course. Bars do not stop them from working. She is only advised not to barfine. Sceanario is she waits for two weeks and voila- she passes hygiene test. Women can go a long time with STD without it causing harm. Only the symptoms disappear but rarely the cause. I know of couple of girls who were told to gome home for a month and get treated.

At no time full STD detection and treatment is done. No lab tests are ordered. Having said this there are girls who go to a specialist once a year to get full STD check ups are done and treated if necessary.

So the age old question is why AC girls in perticular and Philippine girls in general readily jump into unprotected sex?

All of these girls are very poor. They feel simple fact to ask the men to wear condoms is degrading suggesting they are dirty girls. Remember they do not consider themselves as common prostitutes.

All men like to have natural sex. Thai women insist on condoms because of the scare a while ago.

[QUOTE=Hutsori; 1373898]The catchphrase they picked up from the Koreans. When Koreans are overseas and are the foreigner themselves they still call everyone [i]waegukin / waeguknom[/i] (foreigner / foreign bastard). They're thin-skinned, point-and-grunt goose steppers and those girls quickly learn they'll lose access to [i]oppa's[/i] Wallet if they're seen mingling with non Ferengis. Of course if you were paying thousands more than market rate why also suffer the humiliation of the girl laughing right at your cock and suffering ED? If you've ever had the misfortune of visiting Korea's no-foreigners-allowed pay-for-play districts you'll find the glass-windows girls turn their backs on you (literally, a 180-degree turn) and the Korean blokes hiss "AIDS" as you pass them in the lanes. It's their land and they can shun who they please. It's no surprise the Koreans have brought this baggage with them; it's a pity some Filipinas, who tend to gregariousness, have picked up this rather detestable character flaw.

What RR mentions about Pinays' dislike of particular groups I've heard also, blacks and Indians in particular.[/QUOTE]I type this as the hottest 20 year old I have ever bedded is laying next to me. Report in Manila thread.

It's easy to pretend that you're some kind of badass when you're country is left to prosper because you have a bodyguard in the US Military. I wonder where they would be today if they had to defend themselves from the north. I can guarantee there wouldn't be a Gangnam area or hookers turning their back on foreigners. I used to do two Korean college students back home. When I think back they were both stuck up. One said that "Pearl of the Orient" was coined for Korean women. I've never seen that association in literature. One was going to let me do her from the rear as I was telling her I didn't want to deal with her shit any longer. I kinda wish I had done it.

I'm not sure if it's any different in Manila than in Angeles but I know a bar owner on Burgos. I saw him last night and he said that they did do testing. Pap smear and full STD check. I know him from mongering in MDE. I didn't press him but he's going to be showing me around Manila the next few days, I'll see if I can get more details. He seemed a little shocked that I even asked that.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1374242]Thai women insist on condoms because of the scare a while ago.[/QUOTE]Where are these Thai women you speak of? I have never met a one. Pro or non-pro.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1374285]Where are these Thai women you speak of? I have never met a one. Pro or non-pro.[/QUOTE]I had 2 NEP area streetwalkers insist on a condom for sex the other day in Bangkok. One even required it for oral.

Though IME 90 percent of them will forgoe the plastic baggie for everything, if they are properly motivated.

Will be in Angeles City in February. Anyone interested in meeting up and sharing info.

My last night in AC was spent with a waitress. She agreed to stay until 4. After a bit of fun and close to 4 she asks when she could leave. I tell her whenever she feels like but there better be a dish of pork adobe, some coffee, and my luggage better be packed when I wake up. We wake up about 9. She asks if she can take a shower. Of course. When she gets all showered and dressed she asks if she can leave and I tell her "of course." She says: "Ok, I will go after I help you pack." She proceeded to fold all why clothes and lay them out on the bed as I watched in awe.

That says it all.

[QUOTE=Maestro Boy;1374305]Will be in Angeles City in February. Anyone interested in meeting up and sharing info.[/QUOTE]Maestro long time no see. I will be in AC around early feb, then off to cebu (not sure yet) and manila. Let me know the dates, I get to AC Jan 30.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1374242]It is not a pap smear. Pap smear is used exclusively to detect cervical cancer.[/QUOTE]The Papanicolaou test (also called Pap smear, Pap test, cervical smear, or smear test) is a screening test used to detect potentially pre-cancerous and cancerous processes in the endocervical canal (transformation zone) of the female reproductive system. Changes can be treated, thus preventing cervical cancer.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1374336]My last night in AC was spent with a waitress. She agreed to stay until 4. After a bit of fun and close to 4 she asks when she could leave. I tell her whenever she feels like but there better be a dish of pork adobe, some coffee, and my luggage better be packed when I wake up. We wake up about 9. She asks if she can take a shower. Of course. When she gets all showered and dressed she asks if she can leave and I tell her "of course." She says: "Ok, I will go after I help you pack." She proceeded to fold all why clothes and lay them out on the bed as I watched in awe.

That says it all.[/QUOTE]FruitNinja,

Yes Waitress in AC have better attuide and more GFE than bar girl, if you don't mind older girl most have baby and extra baggage and they will try harder for you.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1373896]Sure it could happen, especially at a place like Atlantis. I have seen girls refuse to go out with Koreans and some other older white guys. I'd say at least half of the Pinays I've been with have told me they don't like Koreans, Japanese, black guys and / or Indians. They seem to like to volunteer this information. Asked one girl who I ended up taking a few days why she didn't go with the big spender Korean she was sitting with early. She said "Koreans are bad. Drink okay, but not go out. I always tell them I have mens [period] if they try to barfine me."[/QUOTE]Why do they say Koreans are bad?

That's strange since the following report found PI girls had the opposite attitude about Koreans.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1373862]There is definitely an over abundance of Koreans here and they are the favorite sons of the girls. I was shut down quite a few times."I don't go with foreigner." seems to be taught at hooker school. What they mean is they don't go with anyone not Korean. Offered one girl a hefty tip and she was still a no go. Best is to ask the mamma san about the girl you're interested in and if she goes with foreigners otherwise you're going to waste a lot of lady drinks. Good for the girl and the bar, not so for your wallet. The hotter the girl the more likely she doesn't bar fine, is cherry, or only goes with Koreans. Don't waste your time there is no shortage. I've been here for a few days and had at least one girl a day, two on two days. My cock needs a day off.[/QUOTE]What would it take to get a Korean loving hot PI bar girl to go out with a non Korean such as a European or North American?

In Thailand the word is the TGs love Korean & Japanese customers because they are small, quick, pay more & better mannered.

Which is hard to beat. What am I going to do, cut my dick in half? Cum in 5 seconds just to make her happy? Nah.

Left AC January second week. Now back home, and headed Pattaya beg February. Just a few parting thoughts.

Before leaving Pattaya decided read the last ISG 1000 posts (over 600 pages total). Learned nothing special. Most stuff I learned on my own, and have been going here since 1999. OK, here are my stats, posted in the most readable way possible.

[b]DIA gals:[/b] Attempted to contact, three. Successful encounters: zero. One gal almost showed up but canceled the last minute. I have never had luck with DIA Gals. Refuse to put my pic there, so that could be it.

[b]Total time in AC:[/b] About 2. 5 weeks.

[b]Number of bar fines:[/b] One, Lancelot (1900 p). Was it worth it? No.

[b]Number of women:[/b] Had one or two gals a day. Closer to the one side. One day took a rest.

[b]Number of LDs bought:[/b] Just over a handful.

[b]Number of sneakout attempts:[/b] Five. Number successful: One.

[b]Recommended Bars: [/b] The perimeter bars are very nice. Have great gals. Recall EWR in the 1200 - 1500 peso range. If you must pay EWRs go to them !!

[b]Number of financial dealings with touts:[/b] Zero.

[b]Number of times I gave money to beggars:[/b] Three times. Old ladies w / o babies and away from Fields.

[b] Health problems: [/b] Every time I head to AC I get what I call the AC crud. It is just the runny nose, sore throat, etc. Get run down. Due to all the pollution. Same thing happened this trip, and I still have it. Still can't get past that one.

[b]Price for Cialis:[/b] 130 baht for a box of four. Go to a money changer, north of Marg Station but not as far as the intersection. There is a Vit V and Vit C box in the window. She wanted 150, which I know a good price. If you get quantity she will go to 140 and 130 pesos.

[b]Where did I get my gals:[/b] Few from Raymos, Santos. (OK, arguably a bar fine of 700 for ST, but I do not consider this as really BFing, and no drinks / LDs at all.) Mostly I just go from the Street Action. Right on and around Field's Ave. Here is my technique, in logical order.

1. Smile. This is where your lips go up, you look happy, and . . . Oh forget it. Many of you reading this will never understand the concept.

2. As walking past gal, raise hand for a high-5 or low-5 (note: do not raise hand to attempt to strike gal because . . . Oh never mind.)

3. Repeat after me in this order. [b]"Hi." "I love you." "What bar you work at?"[/b]

4. Ask gal a few questions about her bar, just to verify that she really does work at bar. [b]"When your day off?"[/b]

5. [b]"You go with me." [/b] (if ans 'not now', get her cell phone)

Most important is that you need to know [b]how to play with them. [/b] Not look threatening. Humor helps. Personally I am in my 40s and do take care of myself physically, and these factors are in my favor. I got them figure 5 to 6 PM, and after 11:PM. Often took them to Jollee, McDs, Marg Station, or wherever. Have taken as many as four gal, and gotten all their phone numbers for later. Of course, whenever we go anywhere, I pay for everything.

Tho I take pride in being [b]King Cheep Charlie[/b], I have no problems giving gals presents, food, etc.

[b]Amount paid:[/b] 1000 for ST. 1500 for LT. May give an extra 100 for travel.


[b]Remember: The fun is in the hunt . . . and not in being spoon fed. [/b]


[b]Number of duds:[/b] Zero.

[b]Number of problems:[/b] Zero

[b]Best gal:[/b] This is difficult to answer. Will say the one I LIKED the best however, and not the one with the best body. She worked at a place you cannot bar fine for a million pesos or even a million dollars. She works JJ's. Yes, a "real" gal who I could actually have a conversion with, a brain, and was amazing in the sack (and no, do not ask for her cell). I found her as she was going to work. I have absolute respect for her, as not a bar gal, and she was super horny.

[b]Place wanted to go but never did: [/b] High Society. Where the gals FL gals supposedly go after 11:30. OK, once I went inside there, but it was too early and with a gal and place was pretty dead. Second time almost made it there, but there a 100 pesos cover charge, and was just not in the mood. Just grabbed gal on the street. Please if possible give reports on this place !

[b]Diamond Subdivision (or whatever it's called): [/b] Never made it there. Perhaps next time.

[b]Biggest WTF moment:[/b] When I found out one gal I had was a regular BF gal (BF at 1900 pesos) [b]and a [/b]spotlight gal (BF at 3000) on different days . . . at the same bar. It's all in the packaging.

[b]Hotels:[/b] Back the year 2000 I paid 500 to 600 pesos for a reasonable room. Inflation, I get it. However, when I hear of hotels charging buckets of cash in USDs and getting away with it, no wonder prices skyrocketing. Recommend hotels ONLY UNDER 1500 pesos. Yes they are around. And feel free to use shoe leather to find them. There are also plenty of apartments which you can rent monthly in the 1300 to 1500 peso range. Not difficult to find (and do not PM me on this, your PM will be deleted!)

On a side note, feel free to read my Pattaya Hotel report, which I will use for reference when I head back there early February.

[b]Popper's Guide to Hotels in Pattaya[/b]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3145-Popper1-s-Pattya-Hotel-Reports[/url]


[b]Biggest frustration:[/b] Went to the post office to ship vitamins home. Supervisor of post office "We need original receipts." Eyes rolling back of the head: "Fine." Supervisor: "We also need prescription." Popper: [b]"WHAT!" [/b] We got into a big argument. These were Kirkland Vitamins (Costco). Vitamin C, B, Calcium, Magnesium, and Amino Acids. Stated clearly as possible that vitamins need no prescription, and that a child could buy them in any vitamin store at SM Mall. She was a dense as a TSA agent or Fox News viewer. Argument was insane. She then insisted that I go to a doctor to get a prescription. I told her no self-respecting would give a prescription for these than a prescription for Oreo cookies.

* I found out later that Philippines doctors will give a prescription for vitamins. Or for that matter for Oreo Cookies . . . for about 200 pesos.

Anyway, resolved this by going to the other post office at the Medical center which is just over the bridge.

[b]Cool item bought:[/b] A brand new second hand Sony-Ericsson k800i, which was I think made about 2008 for 1000 pesos (if interested in pic google it). Well, it newer than my other Sony-Ericsson cell anyway. Got it across the street from Nepo Mall and has a 3. 5 million px camera.

Here is a pic of a real cutie I had. She 20 years old with a third grade education. Drove me frigging nuts, w/ her texting me like 15 times a day. Good grief.

To respond to below, agreed that many of my gals have strong dislike for Koreans. No idea why. Will prob return to AC next year.

-Popper

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1374806]Why do they say Koreans are bad?

That's strange since the following report found PI girls had the opposite attitude about Koreans.

What would it take to get a Korean loving hot PI bar girl to go out with a non Korean such as a European or North American?

In Thailand the word is the TGs love Korean & Japanese customers because they are small, quick, pay more & better mannered.

Which is hard to beat. What am I going to do, cut my dick in half? Cum in 5 seconds just to make her happy? Nah.[/QUOTE]MONEY. OFFER 10K tip for 2nights and she is yours, if we are talking AC. Personally I would not bother and I would never pay that sort of cash for a korean loving AC bar girl but if you want the answer then that is it. In bars like ICARUS for instance you can find plenty of girls that don't care about your background even though the bar is aimed at the korean customers and the get preference. Same goes for AFTER SCHOOL and TIGHT JEANS (same owner).