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Every since I have been reading these forums. People always complain about some "decline". Be it in LU, the service, the "scene". And not just Germany FKK, but all other forums as well.
Things are just never as good as they "used to be". What it has to do is not with the actual "decline" but a human nature to remember things better than the actually were. And demand more.
So I take all these "decline" reports with a huge grain of salt.
Am I the only one who thinks these threads are about German FKKs and not about some incoherent lunatic political theories? If I need to read inarticulate rants about evils of leftists, I will go to Brietbart. ISG is about sex.
Is there a reason why we need to listen to this nonsense on a continual basis?
Really have no idea how this is passing moderation. Forum rules say no trolling (defined as creating a thread with the sole purpose of starting a dispute) and no proselytizing (espousing own political beliefs).
Truth be told, I would rather listen to Siri's monologues about his Eve. At least they are about sex, and are entertaining in their own way.
[QUOTE=Ctytek;2097371]Every since I have been reading these forums. People always complain about some "decline". Be it in LU, the service, the "scene". And not just Germany FKK, but all other forums as well.
[/QUOTE]Try reading the Thailand forums where guys whine that things aren't as good as they were 20 years ago! 20 years! Imo if things aren't as good in a country then stop going. There are many other monger destination options.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2097429]Try reading the Thailand forums where guys whine that things aren't as good as they were 20 years ago! 20 years! Imo if things aren't as good in a country then stop going. There are many other monger destination options.[/QUOTE]But chances are the decline is not in the lineups, but in their own pants.
[QUOTE=McGrath;2097350]Agree with this. There have been a decline in the overall lineups at almost every club and it has been going on for a while before 1st of July, That is why I actually hope that some clubs will go bust so that the surviving clubs then will have better overall lineups and more people. My last visit was in Frankfurt and Mainhattan and it wasn't much of a party even tough it was a Friday night.[/QUOTE]I think a consolidation of clubs might happen, but also don't forget that many of those establishments are used as money laundering facilities.
Should some clubs close their doors, be prepared to pay higher entry fees and higher overal prices. Wellcum charges E85 entry fee (that's roughly 30% more than the standard German FKK club entry fee of E60-65), and the prices for a girl at Globe are much higher than in Germany at the moment.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2097376]Am I the only one who thinks these threads are about German FKKs and not about some incoherent lunatic political theories? If I need to read inarticulate rants about evils of leftists, I will go to Brietbart. ISG is about sex.
Is there a reason why we need to listen to this nonsense on a continual basis?
Really have no idea how this is passing moderation. Forum rules say no trolling (defined as creating a thread with the sole purpose of starting a dispute) and no proselytizing (espousing own political beliefs).
Truth be told, I would rather listen to Siri's monologues about his Eve. At least they are about sex, and are entertaining in their own way.[/QUOTE]AFAIK, this site is not just about sex, it's about [i]prostitution[/i] and I posted it under General Info in order to not 'pollute' any other threads. If you want sex on the internet, go to a porn website, jerk off, and then come back when you feel better again.
Not everything you disagree with is "trolling" (or "fake news)," I stick to the topic of prostitution and try to make sense of the changing political landscape in Europe and it's effect on prostitution, in particular the future of German FKK clubs.
If you don't like my posts, or if thinking about the future is too difficult or uncomfortable for you, then you're more than free to ignore me. That's what living in a free world is all about: there is very little need for censorship. There is an ignore button (*) next to my username, that way there is no need for the moderators to censor my posts, and your poor delicate snowflake eyes won't have to read any of my "nonsense" posts and be confronted with a thought provoking opinion that you don't agree with. That way you can continue to live in your little safe space 'Friede-Freude-Eierkuche' bubble.
(*) Click on my username in any of my posts, select "View Profile" and then select "Add To Ignore List." Simple as that!
Harry.
I for one do not intend to take up your suggestion to ignore you. That would be a mark of intolerance by me.
I know from our previous discussions that you can make a good reasoned snd interesting case for your political views.
But like Jnpr30, I am bemused as to why you throw out random political slogans with no backup arguments. Are you simply trying to wind up people you regard as snowflakes? Or maybe you don't realise how those slogans sound to some other people?
Anyway, still hope to have a discussion in person someday. I am sure we will reach a consensus (well, sort of, maybe).
An anti snowflake optimist lol
[QUOTE=Ctytek;2097371]Every since I have been reading these forums. People always complain about some "decline". Be it in LU, the service, the "scene". And not just Germany FKK, but all other forums as well.
Things are just never as good as they "used to be". What it has to do is not with the actual "decline" but a human nature to remember things better than the actually were. And demand more.
So I take all these "decline" reports with a huge grain of salt.[/QUOTE]FKKs overall have for my tastes changed for the worse substantially. But Germany still has plenty to offer me. My response is to change which places I go to and how I operate. As in the past, fortune favours the brave and there are experiences to be found as good as any ever were.
There has been an actual decline by my criteria (sharky behaviour, availability of DFK) and that is not looking at the past with rosetinted, as I think many things in life have improved.
But you are right not to worry about reports of things being worse. What counts is what you can find now for yourself.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2097528]But like Jnpr30, I am bemused as to why you throw out random political slogans with no backup arguments. Are you simply trying to wind up people you regard as snowflakes? Or maybe you don't realise how those slogans sound to some other people? [/QUOTE]Then please answer these facts and arguments:
[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2097260]Germany is just plusminus 10 years behind The Netherlands, where the socialists have seriously limited prostitution in cities Amsterdam and Utrecht by closing down designated areas (like in Utrecht), closing down 'massage' parlours, or by buy buying up Red Light houses (with tax money of course!) in Amsterdam. Compared to 20 years ago, the Amsterdam RLD is nowadays just a heavily regulated tourist attraction.
Ask yourself: why do you think places like GT or LR are so full of Dutch people? Why do the Dutch have to escape their 'liberal' leftwing country in order to go to a nice FKK club? Why aren't there (with the exception of YY) a multitude of nice and legal FKK clubs in The Netherlands? Surely there must be a market for a nice club near heavily populated areas like Amsterdam or Rotterdam?
[/QUOTE]Here are some links about what has been happening to the Amsterdam RLD;.
[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/07/amsterdam-crackdown-prostitution-drugs-crime[/URL] (an article from 2008).
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/jan/15/amsterdam-sex-workers-unlikely-victims-gentrification-red-light-district[/URL]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Netherlands#21st_century:_reducing_the_size_of_the_red_light_district[/url]
[quote]More recently, officials have noticed an increase in violence centered on this irregular industry, and have blamed this increase on the illegal immigration of individuals into Amsterdam to participate in the sex industry: "The guys from Eastern Europe bring in young and frightened women; they threaten them and beat them", said a resident of De Wallen.[6] Prostitution has remained connected to criminal activities, which has led the authorities to take several measures, including detailed plans to help the prostitutes quit the sex trade and find other professions.
In 2005 Amma Asante and Karina Schaapman, [b]two councilors for the Labour Party (Netherlands)[/b], wrote a report, "Het onzichtbare zichtbaar gemaakt" (Making the Invisible Visible). Schaapman had once been a prostitute and was getting information about the influx of organized crime and violence into the business. Other reports came out around the same time. They concluded that a large number of prostitutes in Amsterdam were being forced to work and were being abused by pimps and criminal gangs, and that the goals of legalization were failing.[14][15]
In response to the problems associated with the involvement of organized crime into the sex trade, the Dutch government has decided to close numerous prostitution businesses. Concerned about organized crime, money laundering and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], Amsterdam officials under [b]Mayor Cohen denied the license renewals of about 30 brothels in the Amsterdam red light district De Wallen in 2006;[/b] the brothel owners appealed. To counter negative news reports, the district organized an open house day in 2007 and a statue to an unknown sex worker was unveiled, "intended to honor those employed in the industry world-wide."[16] In September 2007 it was announced that [b]the city of Amsterdam was buying several buildings in the red light district[/b] from Charles Geerts in order to close about a third of the windows.[17] [/quote]
And here is a list of al recent (since 1983) mayors of Amsterdam;.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_van_Thijn[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schelto_Patijn[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_Cohen[/URL] (see quote above)
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodewijk_Asscher[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_van_der_Laan[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajsa_Ollongren[/URL]
Hint: [U]all[/U] of them, except for [I]interim[/I] mayor Ollongren, are member of the Dutch Labour Party, the PvdA. Maybe the socialist and leftwing parties allowed prostitution to flourish during the 1970's and 1980's, but this is what the leftwing ideology is like in 2017.
You might be a tourist, but I have lived in Germany for close to 20 years and still have plenty of German friends who all confirm the following:
[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2097260]Nearly all Germans with small businesses that I know are complaining about the tax office, of how much harder they [b]suddenly[/b] are leaning on them for more money.[/QUOTE]The key word is "suddenly" because the tax declaration (filled out by tax consultants) for the small businesses of my friends have been accepted for years, but "suddenly" the tax office doesn't accept them anymore. Since some people here know better, please share with us how much taxes a prostitute will have to pay in Germany. Do you and Jnpr30 have any experience paying taxes in Germany?
And last but not least, I still don't have an answer about why a high tax leftwing Utopia like Sweden has banned all prostitution. How many FKK clubs are there in Stockholm? Where is the nearest RLD in Stockholm?
Wake up dan smell the coffee folks, the good old days of leftwing tolerance for prostitution are over.
Prostitution touches travel, food, economy, healthcare, communications, religion, yadda yadda in addition to politics if you stretch the definition. That doesn't mean the most inane rants touching prostitution in a very tangential way at best but focused on entirely different matters belong in the section about German FKK. Especially when they are repeated ad nauseum with little variance.
And no, I do not object to your writings because I disagree with your politics. I object because this is not the right forum. You seem to think you have uniquely brilliant insights on subjects unrelated to this thread and we should all listen to them, and I can assure you neither is true. If anything, your rants are incoherent, insulting, devoid of substance, repetitive, and most importantly BORING. I am sure most people posting here have their own political view but they have the good sense to keep it to themselves, or articulate those views in the proper forums.
If I want to read other people's political views, I will go to a political site. I don't go to Brietbart or HuffPost or whatever is the European equivalent, and discuss prostitution on those threads. Apparently, time and place have no relevance to you.
Thanks for the blazingly obvious suggestion about ignore button. That button is an addition to moderation. The definition of trolling and proselytizing I provided come straight from the forum rules section, and your posts fit them to a T.
These types of discussions are better done in person with beer.
[QUOTE=McGrath;2097350]Agree with this. There have been a decline in the overall lineups at almost every club and it has been going on for a while before 1st of July, That is why I actually hope that some clubs will go bust so that the surviving clubs then will have better overall lineups and more people. My last visit was in Frankfurt and Mainhattan and it wasn't much of a party even tough it was a Friday night.[/QUOTE]First one went bust a month ago I believe. Villa Marisol. (Or was it another 'villa' club?
New big FKK's just the past 3-4 years: Oceans, Marina, Wellcum, Paradise Saarbrucken. And tons of older clubs have also increased room numbers. There have probably never been more FKK girls around than there are today. Which goes to show hardly anyone has a very good overview especially when it comes to service. As you pretty much must go to the room with over half the girls in a club. Optics is much easier to check up on. And in my opinion that has improved during the past few years (maybe except at Artemis and Palace) as a total over all the clubs. Some more clubs have girls trying to hold back services in groups. But those things are almost always rules to be broken even at the most notorious clubs. Part of the fun with FKK's is not just to go to the right club, but to find new gems. And then you cannot listen to wachos on the internet who's got a completely different tease than you and as self suggested experts just because they have visited a club a few times. The real good service is always something you don't see coming. And it is always something non-mechanical where you get it and the sucker next to you don't.
HH. I totally agree with your last paragraph. The days of positive correlation between European leftish movements and sexual tolerance are long gone.
I m not going to answer your points in details as basically you are pretty much right, in my opinion. And also I don't want to hijack the thread into a political discussion.
Your last post makes your points well. Thank you for taking the time to re-articulate in a different way the rather sweeping original statements.
I know you lived long in Germany. But if you are talking about European politics and social and economic history, I am no tourist: I have lived here (Europe) all my life.
As PL says, best discussed over a beer.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2097572]The days of positive correlation between European leftish movements and sexual tolerance are long gone.[/QUOTE]That's the problem O. That correlation is now negative.