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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1356998]She's fucking around with you. She treats you like a dog because you are a safe customer for her. She does what she wants, you wait for her, she goes with other customers and has meals with her friends. You wait. You pay her more or less the regular price. Perfect situation for her. She really found somebody she can take advantage of. My 0, 02$: Change the club. Or at least the girl. Fuck other girls.

HB[/QUOTE]Hb out of curiosty have you ever got multiple free sex from a same girl for no money? I mean purely on love. Would be interesting to know.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1357019]I agree more or less with HB though I think I have a bit more understanding of why the girl may attract you so.[/QUOTE]Hey, don't hurt my feelings! I do understand the situation he's facing, but it will get worse and not better.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1357037]Hey, don't hurt my feelings! I do understand the situation he's facing, but it will get worse and not better.

HB[/QUOTE]Well all I meant was that I have been close to falling for a club girl like ou hero seems to have done. It did not go nearly so far though before I had my realisation of being more or less just a favoured customer. It is so easy to believe oneself "special" if this is what you want to believe. Indeed think the girl's feelings are genuine so far as it goes. But unless one can get over the steep hurdle of ponying up every time you want to stick it in, you are a customer.

AM

[QUOTE=Dufey; 1356992]Then after our booking I think she has some time to sit with me socially. So I wait half hour for her to go shower and re-do her make up. She then comes to me and says another customer has booked her just as she came out of the ladies changing room and he is waiting for her now. She said to him that she wanted to go smoke and came to see me to tell me she was booked again. So she has her smoke and stupidly I point out another customer she knows who comes over to us and she and him chat as I stand with her with my hands around her. She then gives me a kiss on the lips and off she goes. She is away for another 2. 5 hours for I think a 1. 5 hour room booking since again she spends around 30-40 minutes social time sitting with her client and kissing and fondling then after the room her usual half hour showering and re-doing making up. So she makes another minimum 150€ on that booking. I do not know if there were any other extras or tips. So I think she made at least 800€ in the 12-13 hours she was on the club floor. I get told by another popular girl recently written about on the forum a fair bit that she only made 600€ in one week in the same week when I saw her / QUOTE]Dufey,

I would be interested to see what her reaction would be if you tried a different tactic. Instead of pointing out clients for her, when she returns from a long session and sees you waiting on her, point out another girl you want and tell your girl that you are booking an extended time with the other girl. Kiss her and tell her you will see her in a couple of hours. You probably are trying not to play games but if she knows you sit there the entire time she is in a session, she is taking you for granted and you will always be taken advantage of. Even if she doesn't get jealous, she will still know that she is not your only option if she doesn't treat you correctly.

[QUOTE=Burma Jones;1357127]I would be interested to see what her reaction would be if you tried a different tactic. Instead of pointing out clients for her, when she returns from a long session and sees you waiting on her, point out another girl you want and tell your girl that you are booking an extended time with the other girl. Kiss her and tell her you will see her in a couple of hours. You probably are trying not to play games but if she knows you sit there the entire time she is in a session, she is taking you for granted and you will always be taken advantage of. Even if she doesn't get jealous, she will still know that she is not your only option if she doesn't treat you correctly.[/QUOTE]That's a good point! +1 Man, it could be a really interesting tactic with someone who behaves like Dufey's girl. My current favorite would never act like that. She goes from time to time to look for a pray but I am always the first and the last and she spends with me 8/10 hours out of 15 in the club, obviously only charging me for the time in the room and I am still not seeing her outside of the club at the moment.

[QUOTE=CaptCabin;1357026]Heard termas in Rio is the bomb. But for me if I had sponsored flight and accomodation colmbia would be my 1s choice. My god martha of palace certainly was the most beautifull girl I have fucked in my WHOLE life! If I can her for 100 euro in germany I think I might get more than that in Columbia. To bad no sponsored flight and accomodation for me LOL.[/QUOTE]I have been spending all my money in trip all around the world with all the annexes. South America, Asian Far East included. I think the paradise for all mongers were the Eastern European Countries back in the early 90's. That was a paradise where you were getting the best looking girls for free or for a few money in terms of shopping or dinner to a restaurant. Unfortunately it is no longer like that, currently you have to get despersed in the deep country side of Ukrain or Russia to get it. To hard.

If I think from a quality / quantity / price perspective, my opinion is that in this very moment Germany and its FKKs and Sauna Clubs is unbeatable. But then, it is only my opinion and of course as usual it depends on your taste.

[QUOTE=Burma Jones; 1357127]Dufey,

I would be interested to see what her reaction would be if you tried a different tactic. Instead of pointing out clients for her, when she returns from a long session and sees you waiting on her, point out another girl you want and tell your girl that you are booking an extended time with the other girl. Kiss her and tell her you will see her in a couple of hours. You probably are trying not to play games but if she knows you sit there the entire time she is in a session, she is taking you for granted and you will always be taken advantage of. Even if she doesn't get jealous, she will still know that she is not your only option if she doesn't treat you correctly.[/QUOTE]Hi Burma Jones,

It was not my intention to point out clients to her. I just happened to recognise a couple that she has gone with and she had told me that one had a booking. That was the first client who "took" my expected booking since I thought having arrived 3-4 hours before he was due I could get in a session before he did but NO, I did not calculate the fallacy of females gossiping to their friends and wasting so much time in the changing room and the tendency to always be late for every appointment.

The second one was someone that she knew who was a good client of one of her friends and just being me I was being polite to say hey looks there is XX XXXXX who likes such and such. Next thing I know she is chatting to him about where her girl friend was since she was not in the club that night and how his work was etc. She is really socialble.

She says she does not mind at all if I go with other girls. She says she is indifferent. She reminds me every so often that I can book other girls. There was one week when she did not come to the club and I ended up being in her club since my friend wanted to go to the club. So we went. I stayed for maybe 8 hours before I got annoyed and booked a series of 5 girls doing 50€ and 100€ sessions. The next week when sitting together she ask me which girls in the club did I book when she was not there. I would have thought her girlfriends would have told her as I know they do in other cases but she seems to not know. So I said I did her and her and her and those two over there pointing out girls in the club. She just nodded and said ok. Then she moved onto another topic. She really did not mind, no reaction.

I mean when we were driving together we talked about how we met each other and I related some of the bucket list of things that I have done in the clubs and her comment was,"No way in your normal life do you have a chance to do such things." I took what she said as meaning, good for you for having done those things you have wanted to do.

So I take your reverse tactics but I think she would not react at all. If anything after I left she would just go off and find another customer or one of her girlfriends to go gossip to. I know this.

My thanks. This discussion has really helped me firm my mind from the confused state it was in previously. I can beginning to see a path and I can see the things that I could not see before in how we interact.

It was the writing down of what I felt but then also describing what happened as well. It is only when it is in black and white on the screen and re-reading it again with an open mind I can see that the differentiation is not here. She really does not care for me. At best I am just a favoured customer regardless of the many notes and exclamations that I am not a customer to her. As has been said, the fact you are paying the going rates when in the room and not getting anything when out of the club means you are a customer. Not even a friend.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1356998]She's fucking around with you. She treats you like a dog because you are a safe customer for her. She does what she wants, you wait for her, she goes with other customers and has meals with her friends. You wait. You pay her more or less the regular price. Perfect situation for her. She really found somebody she can take advantage of. My 0, 02$: Change the club. Or at least the girl. Fuck other girls.

HB[/QUOTE]Yes! My God man! Please stop being a SIMP for this tute!

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1356998]She's fucking around with you. She treats you like a dog because you are a safe customer for her. She does what she wants, you wait for her, she goes with other customers and has meals with her friends. You wait. You pay her more or less the regular price. Perfect situation for her. She really found somebody she can take advantage of. My 0, 02$: Change the club. Or at least the girl. Fuck other girls.

HB[/QUOTE]Hi HB,

You give some sound advice. I can really see your point of view. I have no idea what concept this girl has of what "friends" are for. On one hand I pay to fuck her but on the other hand we sit together socially and as I have seen gone out together as "friends". I cannot work this one out. She says she does not want a relationship, but wants me as a friend.

From what you have seen is a friend that she can fuck around with and push around with who is a regular customer and pays her a good amount of money albeit she does not an excellent service I must admit.

Given our "dates" have all been chaste affairs of light kisses and the odd tongue kiss here and there and no intimate sex moments then I can conclude I think she really does mean friends. But there are some aspects I find odd as to how she interprets friends. I mean she emails me everyday and sometimes 4-5 times a day saying some inane things. She keeps going on about she does not want a relationship and we are friends then she says she is happy to see me in the club. In the club like I said, she never pushes to go to the room. It is my own volition that asks her to stop and take me as a booking.

One part of me says let us give it some more time and see but another part says leave it alone, come back in a few months and see if the attitude has changed. Right now she is wound up about something that I cannot comprehend and keeps saying we are friends. The tone and topics of what she writes me changes day by day.

If I end it with her then I do give up some really good sex and the "dates" we had planned in late December and into the New Year.

[QUOTE=Dufey; 1357194]Hi Burma Jones,

It was not my intention to point out clients to her. I just happened to recognise a couple that she has gone with and she had told me that one had a booking. That was the first client who "took" my expected booking since I thought having arrived 3-4 hours before he was due I could get in a session before he did but NO, I did not calculate the fallacy of females gossiping to their friends and wasting so much time in the changing room and the tendency to always be late for every appointment.

The second one was someone that she knew who was a good client of one of her friends and just being me I was being polite to say hey looks there is XX XXXXX who likes such and such. Next thing I know she is chatting to him about where her girl friend was since she was not in the club that night and how his work was etc. She is really socialble.

She says she does not mind at all if I go with other girls. She says she is indifferent. She reminds me every so often that I can book other girls. There was one week when she did not come to the club and I ended up being in her club since my friend wanted to go to the club. So we went. I stayed for maybe 8 hours before I got annoyed and booked a series of 5 girls doing 50€ and 100€ sessions. The next week when sitting together she ask me which girls in the club did I book when she was not there. I would have thought her girlfriends would have told her as I know they do in other cases but she seems to not know. So I said I did her and her and her and those two over there pointing out girls in the club. She just nodded and said ok. Then she moved onto another topic. She really did not mind, no reaction.

I mean when we were driving together we talked about how we met each other and I related some of the bucket list of things that I have done in the clubs and her comment was,"No way in your normal life do you have a chance to do such things." I took what she said as meaning, good for you for having done those things you have wanted to do.

So I take your reverse tactics but I think she would not react at all. If anything after I left she would just go off and find another customer or one of her girlfriends to go gossip to. I know this.

My thanks. This discussion has really helped me firm my mind from the confused state it was in previously. I can beginning to see a path and I can see the things that I could not see before in how we interact.

It was the writing down of what I felt but then also describing what happened as well. It is only when it is in black and white on the screen and re-reading it again with an open mind I can see that the differentiation is not here. She really does not care for me. At best I am just a favoured customer regardless of the many notes and exclamations that I am not a customer to her. As has been said, the fact you are paying the going rates when in the room and not getting anything when out of the club means you are a customer. Not even a friend.[/QUOTE]The captain strikes again. All BS, with the same writing style as CaptCabin, Yakob, our past friend Amtripna or whatever. You are not fooling anyone. This is why there has been such a dearth of credible reports lately. I have to admit you keep a nice conversation going with yourself.

[QUOTE=Dufey;1357194]It was the writing down of what I felt but then also describing what happened as well. It is only when it is in black and white on the screen and re-reading it again with an open mind I can see that the differentiation is not here. She really does not care for me. At best I am just a favoured customer regardless of the many notes and exclamations that I am not a customer to her. As has been said, the fact you are paying the going rates when in the room and not getting anything when out of the club means you are a customer. Not even a friend.[/QUOTE]I have been following your saga since your initial post and am glad that you have come to the above realization. You can confirm it by telling her that you like her too much to continue to be a customer so you will not be coming to her club any more (or at least not sessioning with her anymore if, for some reason, you can't stop going to her club) and will only see her outside the club on a non-pay basis, as that is the only way both of you will be able to tell if there is any future for you together. Her reaction will tell you all you need to know about what she considers you.

[QUOTE=CaptCabin; 1357015]Dufey,

I think this relationship with club girls is really hard as you can't even Trust her. I mean you are always questioning her motives. I agree with hessen but to me if you can get a club girl who is young and hot the I think you should just go outside and find yourself a girl on the outside. With these girls you are always questioning their motives and you can never know in front of you it would seem you mean the word to them but in the girls changing room she might call you her poodle number 3.

But serioudly dufey you already know the answer to this. You can't even trust her hence the reason you are posting all this info in this thread. Maybe it is your gut feeling saying you are getting played.

Fuck other girls or just get a real girlfriend on the outside while age is still on your side.[/QUOTE]Hi CaptCabin,

Thank you for your input.

You are actually right. You have somehow highlighted something else that I was too blind to see since I was so infatuated with this girl. I realise that I could not trust her since I was seeing so many inconsistencies and contradictions in what she was saying. Then again it could be she does not think.

I really do like this girl. Like how I began this theme, she pushes so many of my buttons.

She claims that she has a trumatic experience before meeting me what could explain how she is and she says she has a lot going on in her life, but then that does not explain all the odd things she says and does. I cannot believe it. So as you say I am questioning her motives. She has given me a lot of insight into the clubs since she has bought me into her group of friends. That has made me cynical about how things are run.

I do take the point on trying to see a normal girl outside of the clubs. I know a good man from southern Germany who has done that. He has given up the clubs now and he looks so happy in the pictures he sends me of him and his girl. He was a master monger and was so full of life when in the clubs fucking 5-6 girls in between saunas, eating and swimming during a visit. I should follow his lead.

I wish that could happen. I think that would be more straightforward and not as biazzare as what I have experienced with this girl who I think is totally confused and does not know what she wants.

My main pain is giving up a girl that really turns me on and not keeping in contact with her. Avoiding her club is going to tough since my friends really enjoy going there because of the line up. I actually prefer another club so I may end up visiting the clubs alone.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1357019]I finally have to have my say. I agree more or less with HB though I think I have a bit more understanding of why the girl may attract you so. Been close to this myself. In the end though, what I realised, was that as long as you are paying her you are first and foremost a customer. You may well be a favoured / favorite customer but you are still a customer. The only way to move it along is to stop the payment.[/QUOTE]Hi Angus Magee,

This girl is really attractive to me. I would be glad to have her on my arm anyday. I would not call her smart but I think I fell in love with her heart since she was so nice to me and to everyone around her. She does not want to hurt anyone, even those that have done her wrong. The way she can act sometimes can be cold but I think she just does not realise or maybe she is confused. I know she is popular given the guys that book her for extended sessions. I mean the number of times when she is eating a meal and a man would be sitting across from her and he will start talking to her and ask to book her or when I am sitting with her alone together the men that interrupt us to ask her when she is free to be booked.

You are correct, that if I want to book her then I am paying. The interesting thing was at the beginning it was the understanding that this paying aspect would fall away but somehow she changed her mind 2 months in which I still have not fathomed what happened. I guess I will never know the mystery of how the open minded, willing to go out and date me kind of girl who would phone or SMS maybe 1-3 times a week I knew in the first 2 months of seeing her to the more reserved, quiet, protective and distant girl of the last month that writes to me every day and sometimes 5 times a day and somehow needs me to write back to her constantly. Is this me failing the boyfriend test in those first 2 months and now in the circle of doom called friendship in the last month and forever more?

I think it hard for me to spend time in the club when she is there and resist booking her when she sits with me. As you say I still pay so I am really a customer.

I think she takes a break for Christmas and so will I. It will help clear my head.

[QUOTE=CaptCabin;1357020]This is a good benchmark and I totally agree with angus. If she loves you sex would be free.[/QUOTE]Hi CaptCabin,

I agree, if someone loves you then the sex is free. It is how we are hardwired.

[QUOTE=Dufey; 1357205]Hi CaptCabin,

She claims that she has a trumatic experience before meeting me what could explain how she is and she says she has a lot going on in her life, but then that does not explain all the odd things she says and does. I cannot believe it. So as you say I am questioning her motives. She has given me a lot of insight into the clubs since she has bought me into her group of friends. That has made me cynical about how things are run.[/QUOTE]Dufey,

If your not 50 and above you still have a go at finding real gf. Don't be like me realizing now I have to pay to touch a women but to me it is really to late.

Of course there is a lot of inconsistency because she is lying. What she trades with you is peanuts compared to the money you are giving her. She tells you how things work in a club some girls also tell me the same. If you really calculate cost benefit analysis I am very sure she is at the winning side.

You have to understand she may have a kid or probably a husband in romania or wherever ee country she came from. It seems it is quite common among the girls in the club who com from home where their father or husband don't work. Do you know whether she has a husband or a child at home? Can you accept her if she has a child?

But again if you still have time I mean if you are still young then go outside and find a genuine girl. The girls in fkk club are mostly messed up. When you hear how they justify

Themselves for prostituition you will be shocked.

Anyway I am beginning to spend too much time in the club as well. Once I nearly got suckered by fidan thinking a young small hot petite girl would want me. She told me I was actually the man of her dreams as she is looking for someone to share her problems and bla2 but at the end of the day I still pay her 100 euro for well sometime I get 80 minutes but the amount of time and money I spent on her is way more LOL.

Your a good customer to her and I bet with you she doesn't want a relationship considering she basically selling her soul so that she can buy a house and a car in romania and I don't think she would give up all of that for you considering she is giving everything she has of value when she enter this bussiness. How can you blame her if she is manipulating you.