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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2261243]I'm not so sure about that. A massage girl once told me she had to give half of her income acquired from up-selling to her 'manager'.
This might have been a sob story but it would't surprise me if it was true. So be prepared that you have to pay her 'manager' too (indirectly) when you take her on a holiday.[/QUOTE]It depends on who you speak to. One girl told me that she gets a 25% cut of the base massage fee and the extras are pocketed by her. Another girl said that she needs to share the extras with her boss. When I asked her how would her boss know what she was doing in the hotel room with the client, she just gave me a wry smile and winked at me. Yet another time, when I fucked a massage girl and gave her a 1,500 PHP tip, she said for me to not tell her company about our extra activity.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2261663]Quick update on this. A forum member advised me that most of the Pinays in the esteemed circles we move in neither have a bank account nor valid ID. This was the case with this chick. Therefore I sent the money to her cousin for collection. She has a valid ID and was able to collect from Western Union. Another problem solved.[/QUOTE]ED, good job. Keep in mind that WU has the strictest ID requirements. Other transfer agents might not be as tough.

On another ID note. Recently I was asked buy an airplane ticket online for a girl and she would pay me back, which she did. The problem after purchase was she didn't have an ID. Short story was she went and got a Barangay picture ID the same day for I think 50 pesos. They had no idea who she was. LOL. It was good enough to get on the plane. Not good enough to pick up money.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2261534]There's one sweetie who has a heart of gold and hasn't mentioned a thing about Christmas or money. She's going to be beneficiary of Engine Driver's benevolent fund. So I asked this girl for her bank account details so I can transfer some money through Western Union. I was a little shocked when she said she doesn't have a bank account. Then it dawned on me that some people are so poor, they have no need for a bank account, living a hand to mouth existence. Like DG said, some girls don't even own a kettle or a rice cooker.

Not a problem. I will send the money to WU in Makati and she can just pick up the cash after showing her ID and the password for the transaction.

Charity is good.[/QUOTE]In my experience "hand to mouth" is also a way of thinking. I have often wondered if, for many of the poor, it's actually learned in the provinces. We eat when the bananas, or mangoes, coconuts, or rice are ready, or when the fish are schooling nearby. When none of these are available, we either borrow from neighbors or go scrounging for the marginally edible stuff. I may be exaggerating a little, but in general I've seen fewer fat Filipinos in rural areas. When life is tied to subsistence farming then the notion of money salted away in a bank account doesn't make much sense. I suspect that aid from the USA During territorial days and from philanthropic and humanitarian sources more recently, especially after disasters, has contributed to a sense of dependency that undermines self-sufficiency in some Filipinos.

Moneygram usually has a better exchange rate and sightly lower fees than WU, but some rural communities may have only WU. I believe ID requirements are about the same for both Moneygram and WU.

They can sometimes be a pain in the ass. I once sent money to a close friend who has two first names. But the agent at my end typed in the second of the names as a middle name. When the agent in the Philippines pulled it up on a screen it showed only the first of the two names, and the Moneygram agent would not turn over the money, because the recipient's ID showed the two first names, instead of the one she saw on her screen. I texted a photo of my receipt, which showed both names, and that seemed to convince the agent. But this all took about 24 hours.

Sometimes people who are otherwise not very influential like to exercise the little power they derive from their access to powerful people, information, or decision points in systems. This may be somewhat exaggerated in the Philippines since power rests disproportionately in the hands of a few people, and average Filipinos are therefore relatively powerless. Organizations and systems in the Philippines are often quite rule-bound, unless you have personal network connections or are willing to bribe or otherwise reward and cajole people.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2261534]Lots of girls I am in contact with are dropping hints that Christmas is fast approaching. A few have been more direct and have said the bills are mounting up, need to travel to the province, mom's had an appendix operation etc and could I help? I've just ignored them and changed to the topic to the weather or have just deleted the rather pesky ones.

There's one sweetie who has a heart of gold and hasn't mentioned a thing about Christmas or money. She's going to be beneficiary of Engine Driver's benevolent fund. So I asked this girl for her bank account details so I can transfer some money through Western Union. I was a little shocked when she said she doesn't have a bank account. Then it dawned on me that some people are so poor, they have no need for a bank account, living a hand to mouth existence. Like DG said, some girls don't even own a kettle or a rice cooker.

Not a problem. I will send the money to WU in Makati and she can just pick up the cash after showing her ID and the password for the transaction.

Charity is good.[/QUOTE]Charity is good?

The problem is although you showed good intentions in helping more often in Philippines it is connotationed as weak, do not care about money, will yield to any and all requests, pussy worshipping fool etc.

Many a time it is not girls fault. It is their family and friends who will tell her to try to get money. Case in point is a very pretty girl I dated before. She was nice, easy going, did not care how much I gave, did not care where I took her. I made the mistake of sending money for her birthday enough to enjoy with her family. Soon after that demands came for this and that and I told her I am not sending money to support her family. Then the demands stopped. She became back to no demands. Of course I send some money for her when I felt like it. The moral is you need to control. It does not matter if she leaves you. There are plenty more.

Those who are trolling for foreigners are essentially looking for money. At first they want to be married and whisked away for a comfortable life. Pretty soon they realize it is just sex mostly. Then they want money for support.

While ago I met a 18 year old girl from Cebu. She had no intention of getting or trying for a job. I understand jobs are hard to come by in Philippines but trying is a must. You see lots of girls working in super markets who seem to be concentrating in working hard and earning money. I told her she needs to look for a job for her future. At my insistence she got a job in a Korean restaurant. Although pay is low she gets experience and self motivation. After few years she got a job in Middle East because of her experience. Every girl I am with same story. I took one girl from the provinces to Manila. There I told her to go in and ask for a job in many of the recruiting businesses by herself. She was interviewed right away by an Arab and offered a job in Saudi Arabia. She was given two options. One is to pay 20000 pesos to arrange passport and other expenses which I believe is the agency commission. Other is she needs pay money every month till it is paid up after she goes to Saudi. I was willing to pay the money. She goes home and tells me she does not want the job. Right now she had a baby with somebody and struggling to get by. I refused request for money. This is the mindset.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2261752]<SNIP> I suspect that aid from the USA During territorial days and from philanthropic and humanitarian sources more recently, especially after disasters, has contributed to a sense of dependency that undermines self-sufficiency in some Filipinos.
<SNIP> [/QUOTE]You can go back further than that SS. Read Rizal's book "Noli me Tangere" to see how the residents depended on handouts from the landowners and the church. It was ingrained then and has persisted for well over the recent 100 plus years.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2261663]Quick update on this. A forum member advised me that most of the Pinays in the esteemed circles we move in neither have a bank account nor valid ID. This was the case with this chick. Therefore I sent the money to her cousin for collection. She has a valid ID and was able to collect from Western Union. Another problem solved.[/QUOTE]I agree. I find direct provision of micro credit to unbanked single moms more effective. Financing is normally capped at 1500 or 3000 p to ensure equitable distribution.

Long Live Capitalism. 👍.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2261906]You can go back further than that SS. Read Rizal's book "Noli me Tangere" to see how the residents depended on handouts from the landowners and the church. It was ingrained then and has persisted for well over the recent 100 plus years.[/QUOTE]I don't want to demean his stature as a martyred novelist, but I wonder if Rizal's recall was somewhat tainted by his own class background. As I recall the family previously owned a substantial estate in Calamba. Then Rizal's father or somebody in the family pissed off Spanish officials and they were stripped of much of their property. So perhaps, reflecting from his experiences in a landowning family, he might recall the handing out to peasants as more generous than it actually was. Obviously speculation on my part, but novelists do have license to depict circumstances in a more romantic light than others might recall.

I've read some accounts from a much earlier period that describe the early Spanish governance structure. They appointed officials, primarily Spanish and a few trusted Mestizos, to govern at all levels on down to the local level. Except they provided them no funds for carrying out their offices. Instead they gave them free hand to collect whatever taxes they could, usually in the form of a percentage of the harvest. Each higher level official then imposed these same tolls on lower level officials. The Spanish set up most of their colonies in an extractive model, getting out as much as possible while expending as little as possible, as opposed to setting up enduring institutions that would permit the locals eventually to be self-governing.

One Spanish cleric from the earliest period described the injustice of the system that extracted these resources from people already living near starvation. So one explanation of history may be that the colony transitioned from one that preyed on the poorest to one that provided charitably to the dependent poor. Another interpretation may be that, from Spanish colonization onward, those that own the land have never really had a first-hand understanding of the lives of the landless.

Having originally cast the scene as dependency, I can see that from another angle it might be depicted as intentionally propagated helplessness.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2262247]

Except they provided them no funds for carrying out their offices. Instead they gave them free hand to collect whatever taxes they could, usually in the form of a percentage of the harvest. Each higher level official then imposed these same tolls on lower level officials.
[/QUOTE]One can say that not much has changed in 300 years. The Barangay Captain's official salary is between 600-1000 PHP a month, but I think they do very nicely in other ways. LOL.

I am currently working on an assignment out of the country where the girls here have no appeal to me and mongering opportunities are shall we say limited.

I have been chatting with a few girls about having them come over but am concerned about the Immigration checks at the airport to get them out of the country. I have read back on some posts on international travel and like everything here it appears to be a mixed bag of outcomes.

I'm looking for some recommendations to make it as smooth as possible and to increase my chances of getting them through and on the airplane.

Should I be with them at the airport or have them travel alone?

Are some ages more a target for questions than others? How about past travel experiences etc. ?

What documentation should I make sure that she has?

They can get visa on arrival here but can also obtain one in advance at the embassy in Manila. Should they get the visa first or rely on visa on arrival. I am leaning to having them get it first.

Is it better that I pay for the ticket or should she do the complete booking in her name? (Some of the girls I'm chatting with about coming here I trust to send airfare directly but not all of them.).

Would I be better off not looking in Phils but looking at girls from Indonesia or Singapore or elsewhere as the hassle of Pina getting past Immigration is to great?

Any other advice or suggestions welcome.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2263976]I am currently working on an assignment out of the country where the girls here have no appeal to me and mongering opportunities are shall we say limited.

Any other advice or suggestions welcome.[/QUOTE]Don't know if it will help but I can at least talk about my experience during my 1st trip in Bali, was in 2016.

I had chatted long time before with an Indo girl studying in KualaLumpur, and when I was on the ground in Bali, I didi chat with her again, and had the idea to propose she come for a week end to meet me there in Bali.

She agreed, so I propose to send money for the ticket but she prefer me buying ot in her name, otherwise she said there is a risk she spend all money.

So I did, on AIr Asia web site, from Ubud where I was, I bought the ticket with her name and email with all her details she gave me by msg. She came at Denpasar the day ater and stayed 2 days with me.

But she was Indo and travel from outside to her country so no great difficulties for customs and any other regulations at airport.

Now I have similar case, going to Phil and chatting with a Phil girl working in Qatar. We agreed to meet in Iloilo, as she will be for two months in Phil between two contracts. I paid a ticket in her name, and expect to meet her in Iloilo early January.

But I ask also to another Phil girl from Makati if she could meet me in Cambodia, and she said she had passport so no issue to fly to Cambodia alone and meet me there. But we didn't organize that up to now. May be later.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2263976]I am currently working on an assignment out of the country where the girls here have no appeal to me and mongering opportunities are shall we say limited.

I have been chatting with a few girls about having them come over but am concerned about the Immigration checks at the airport to get them out of the country. I have read back on some posts

Any other advice or suggestions welcome.[/QUOTE]Check you PMs KG. As you said lots of advice and really depends if the girl has been outside the country before or is a first timer. Now if she was rich / celebrity / politician or some one high who may have or have not committed a crime then they would be allowed out no issues. Just the cuties can be stopped (and I know a few plus OI know airline ground crew who man that area at the airport). I have taken 2 out at the same time before and none I have taken out has ever been stopped but good friends have had issues so a mixed bag.

Also read this as I for one was surprised by the number in the article (some of which I can see why they were stopped).

[URL]http://philippineslifestyle.com/thousands-filipinos-barred-travel/[/URL]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2263976]I am currently working on an assignment out of the country where the girls here have no appeal to me and mongering opportunities are shall we say limited.

I have been chatting with a few girls about having them come over but am concerned about the Immigration checks at the airport to get them out of the country. I have read back on some posts on international travel and like everything here it appears to be a mixed bag of outcomes.

[/QUOTE]I've taken 4 trips leaving the Philippines with a Filipina over the last 7 years. The last 3 with the same girl. The last trip was in 2017. Every time the girl and I have been questioned. Although I easily cleared immigration, when questioning the girl they called me over. Twice (once with each girl) we were taken to a side room and had to sign a document saying that we would return etc. The girls were 23 to 27 at the times of the trips. Both girls had current university student IDs with them. I would recommend that you accompany her particularly if she has a virgin passport.

There was a third girl who lives in Angeles, and I was discussing a possible trip with her. She was emphatic to me that we fly from Manila and not Angeles as she said they very often prohibit girls from leaving in Angeles.

I always gave them several hundred dollars in flash money, but neither girl was ever asked to show it. Both girls always had copies of all flight and hotel reservations. I would doctor the electronic hotel reservation to add the girls name if it didn't show both. Once or twice, they were asked to see the hotels and return flight reservations.

They always asked how long we knew each other and how many times we met. Every time but once they asked if we had photographs together. I had taken multiple trips with both girls in the Philippines. Once they specifically asked my GF where we had been together, and on the list was Baguio. The immigration officer wanted to see pictures in Baguio. My GF was scanning her tablet for Baguio pictures when the officer saw a picture of myself, her parents, and her in front of her home. The officer asked if those were her parents, and when she said yes. The officer stamped her passport and approved her.

[QUOTE=Paul2020;2263999]I always gave them several hundred dollars in flash money, but neither girl was ever asked to show it. Both girls always had copies of all flight and hotel reservations. I would doctor the electronic hotel reservation to add the girls name if it didn't show both. Once or twice, they were asked to see the hotels and return flight reservations.

They always asked how long we knew each other and how many times we met. Every time but once they asked if we had photographs together. I had taken multiple trips with both girls in the Philippines. Once they specifically asked my GF where we had been together, and on the list was Baguio. The immigration officer wanted to see pictures in Baguio. My GF was scanning her tablet for Baguio pictures when the officer saw a picture of myself, her parents, and her in front of her home. The officer asked if those were her parents, and when she said yes. The officer stamped her passport and approved her.[/QUOTE]Its very useful info for me being a newbie in this issue. Thanks for that.

I never taken any girl with me since been requested many times. But this time I got a fall on a 23 yr old uni girl very much keen to visit Thailand since her friends did but she did not. So I m on that. Thinking seriously now being with her family and place that seems like committing for something I don't want. The scenario you have given in this post made me thinking twice.

Happy Hunting.

Can be a problem, even in SE Asia where visa issues are not as strict. Assuming you are talking about a "girl" who is a prostitute, the love of your life is problematic to many people, amongst whom are airline staff, immigration folk and hotel staff. The Thai prostitutes who travel regularly to Singapore oin "business" know the ropes, to take lots of flash cash for shopping and so on. I know of instances where hotel security have raided hotels in Singapore when the man was white and the woman was SE Asia.

You did not say what the destination was. In anything like that, securing the visa is over half the work and doctoring receipts won't work with many Western countries.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2264106]Can be a problem, even in SE Asia where visa issues are not as strict. Assuming you are talking about a "girl" who is a prostitute, the love of your life is problematic to many people, amongst whom are airline staff, immigration folk and hotel staff. The Thai prostitutes who travel regularly to Singapore oin "business" know the ropes, to take lots of flash cash for shopping and so on. I know of instances where hotel security have raided hotels in Singapore when the man was white and the woman was SE Asia.

You did not say what the destination was. In anything like that, securing the visa is over half the work and doctoring receipts won't work with many Western countries.[/QUOTE]Taking a Pinay overseas for a holiday seems like a major headache. Photos with the in-laws, flash cash, medical insurance, newly minted passport, border control interrogations etc seems like a major hassle.

What's wrong with taking your instant girlfriend to Palawan? Seems like a nice place for a holiday. Oh yeah, she still needs valid ID to get on a plane and most don't have one.