American Politics

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"Which is why the First Amendment must be enforced upon them for it to have any meaning. ".

Spin it how you want, to advocate that a government throw a person in jail; or company in jail for publishing or not publishing opinions, thoughts, facts, is against the 1st Amendment you are fighting to protect.

You are advocating that the GOVERNMENT forces certain businesses to publish stuff on their website, and that they can not regulate themselves.[/QUOTE]Nobody need be thrown in jail. As Big Tech are platforms not publishers according to Section 230, large fines can be levied on them, increasing steeply with each infraction. Soon these fines will reach tens or hundreds of millions. If they are unpaid, the platform itself will be seized by the government, as is the case with a house on which fees and taxes are unpaid for a long period of time, and will be auctioned off to a new owner.

I'm confident that the owners of Big Tech would rather ensure First Amendment rights than potentially face hundreds of millions in fines and the ultimate loss of their platforms.

Alternatively, they may forego Section 230 protections, declare themselves publishers, and leave themselves open to legal action over anything written or said on them.

What they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2799871]hat they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.[/QUOTE]Yeah, look at this nonsense called the Great Virality project.

[URL]https://twitter.com/mtaibbi[/URL]

Taibbi wrote, "I dutifully got the vaccine and all boosters. The Virality Project (VP) shows a clear desire to deamplify or cover up true stories of side effects and is the first thing I've read that's made me think twice about the shot. Trying to force trust, they had the opposite effect."

4. All were characterized as "potential violations" or disinformation "events" by the Virality Project, a sweeping, cross-platform effort to monitor billons of social media posts by Stanford University, federal agencies, and a slew of (often state-funded) NGOs.

31. The Virality Project was specifically not based on "assertions of fact," but public submission to authority, acceptance of narrative, and pronouncements by figures like Anthony Fauci. The project's central / animating concept was, "You can't handle the truth. "

33. "This continual process of seeding doubt and uncertainty in authoritative voices," Graphika wrote, in a report sent to Twitter, "leads to a society that finds it too challenging to identify what's true or false. ".

35. A Cleveland Clinic study showed previous infection offered the "same immunity" as the vaccine, but VP said discovery was susbservient to narrative: "Whether or not. Scientific consensus is changing, 'natural immunity' is a key narrative. Among anti-vaccine activists. ".

34. For this reason, the CDC-partnered project focused often on disinformation "events" involving Fauci, saying "release of Fauci's emails foments distrust," and deriding assertions he "misled the public. ".

30. Even in its final report, VP claimed it was misinformation to suggest the vaccine does not prevent transmission, or that governments are planning to introduce vaccine passports. Both things turned out to be true.

24. The VP in April 2021 mistakenly described "breakthrough" infections as "extremely rare events" that should not be inferred to mean "vaccines are ineffective. ".

26. A few months later: "Breakthrough cases are happening. "

21. VP warned against people "just asking questions," implying it was a tactic "commonly used by spreaders of misinformation. " It also described a "Worldwide Rally for Freedom planned over Telegram" as a disinformation event.

20. The Virality Project helped pioneer the gauging of "disinformation" by audience response. If the post-vaccine death of a black woman named Drene Keyes in Virginia went unnoticed inspired mostly "anti-vaccine" comments on local media, it became a "disinformation" event.

16. VP routinely framed real testimonials about side effects as misinformation, from "true stories" of blood clots from AstraZeneca vaccines to a New York Times story about vaccine recipients who contracted the blood disorder thrombocytopenia.

14. VP told Twitter that "true stories that could fuel hesitancy," including things like "celebrity deaths after vaccine" or the closure of a central NY school due to reports of post-vaccine illness, should be considered "Standard Vaccine Misinformation on Your Platform. "

Add this all up and what you have is a government backed initiative with NGOs and Stanford spreading massive misinformation, downplaying the risk of Covid vaccines, exaggerating their benefits, and all while, big pharma racks up huge $. This is a horrific example of the damage censorship can do.

And poor Matt is back up in Congress and the Dems are hammering him instead of those people lying about Covid and the vaccine. I actually think Covid is going to be a big issue in 2024. The fact that the lab leak and China were downplayed because of dollars thrown at the Biden family and the fact that Desantis and not Trump stood up to these full of shit, dictatorial, medical bureaucrats.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2799871]Nobody need be thrown in jail. As Big Tech are platforms not publishers according to Section 230, large fines can be levied on them, increasing steeply with each infraction. Soon these fines will reach tens or hundreds of millions. If they are unpaid, the platform itself will be seized by the government, as is the case with a house on which fees and taxes are unpaid for a long period of time, and will be auctioned off to a new owner.

I'm confident that the owners of Big Tech would rather ensure First Amendment rights than potentially face hundreds of millions in fines and the ultimate loss of their platforms.

Alternatively, they may forego Section 230 protections, declare themselves publishers, and leave themselves open to legal action over anything written or said on them.

What they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.[/QUOTE]Both, political and hate speech are equally protected. If hate speech is protected under the 1st amendment, and any private ("platform") businesses can prevent those under their own rules and guidelines, would the government fine these businesses and seize their companies as well? You, Chris P or me, can't pick and choose which speech should be allowed and disallowed by private companies.

You would be okay with a government taking over private businesses? This sounds a lot like third world dictatorship stuff than capitalism.

Even if you assume that the government can levy fines on this situation, you wouldn't think a "Big Tech" company would fight this in court?

For better or for worse, big businesses, unlike the average american, have more leverage and deeper pocket to fight these.

And it is the plantiff (s) which has to prove that they have been harmed, which is steep hill to climb. Who would be the plantiff (s)?

Not a single case has made its way to the Supreme Court regarding First Amendment against ANY Social Media companies. This is why I see this as non event.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/700-nypd-riot-cops-mobilized-steel-barriers-deployed-ahead-potential-trump-arrest[/URL]

700 NYPD Riot Cops Mobilized, Steel Barriers Deployed Ahead Of Potential Trump Arrest.

The New York Police Department (NYPD) has mobilized 700 riot cops and deployed steel barricades around the Manhattan Criminal Court in anticipation of civil disorder, should the Manhattan District Attorney's office order the arrest of former President Donald Trump, following a potential grand jury indictment for allegedly paying a former porn star for her silence ahead of his 2016 presidential campaign.

We have a case against Trump by a Soros backed New York the who literally lets criminals off with a slap on the wrist prosecuting a six year old federal charge that is beyond the statue of limitations. This charge was already looked into by the Feds and blown off, and the the's star witnesses are a felon and a porn star.

And so here we go again. You can just imagine what the Democratic douches will say, "It is the law" when in truth there is no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump paid the porn star and when it comes to the law and Democrats, they miraculously are never prosecuted.

The larger point though that the Democratic douches miss is now when Trump runs, you are no longer voting for Trump but against the swamp and for elections where voters and not Soros backed DAs choose who is president.

If you want us to believe the 2020 election was the fairest in history, ha ha, then the Dems should be welcoming Trump running again. The fact that they are pulling this legal crap just shows me what chicken shit cowards they really are, and that they believe that this time they cannot fix an election like the last one.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2799041][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619823/Detransitioner-Chloe-Cole-slams-breast-removal-op-endured-aged-15-child-protection-appeal.html[/URL]

"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "

Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?[/QUOTE]How is this factual reality? The Daily Mail is not the most reliable source and it has a history of publishing inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, so I would not point to it to assert that something is true.

This is a one-sided story in which you never hear from the other side. For all you know, Chloe Cole finds it more worthwhile now to be the poster child for conservatives against gender-affirming care that she is misrepresenting her position about the sex-change operation when she was about to undergo it.

Seems like that Elvis' "700 NYPD Riot Cops" thingy has only been reported by lunatic media so far, but honestly, I don't understand why NYPD shouldn't be prepared to deal with a potentially savage mob after what they did in DC. Does anyone really have any doubts about Trump's stormtroopers' propensity for violence?

[QUOTE=ErsatzJulian;2800415]How is this factual reality? The Daily Mail is not the most reliable source and it has a history of publishing inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, so I would not point to it to assert that something is true.[/QUOTE]Uh sorry, After Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, and the fiascos with Covid, you dumb Dems do not get to say your sources are superior.

[QUOTE=ErsatzJulian;2800415]For all you know, Chloe Cole finds it more worthwhile now to be the poster child for conservatives against gender-affirming care that she is misrepresenting her position about the sex-change operation when she was about to undergo it.[/QUOTE]Here is an article with a link to the lawsuit, you pseudointellectual fool! It took me less than 60 seconds to find it: [URL]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-02/transgender-patients-chloe-cole-lawsuit-against-kaiser-lgbtq-rights[/URL].

And the point of your post was what exactly?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2800542]Uh sorry, After Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, and the fiascos with Covid, you dumb Dems do not get to say your sources are superior.

Here is an article with a link to the lawsuit, you pseudointellectual fool! It took me less than 60 seconds to find it: [URL]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-02/transgender-patients-chloe-cole-lawsuit-against-kaiser-lgbtq-rights[/URL].

And the point of your post was what exactly?[/QUOTE]Evidently you believe that [B]one person's[/B] dissatisfaction with the process means [B]all transgenders[/B] feel the same way.

However, directly from the source you provided is this: "In fact, studies indicate that only 1% to 2% of transgender individuals "detransition," and that often happens because of discrimination and other social pressures, not because the patients genuinely feel they have made a mistake about their gender identity. ".

Weren't you one of the people who said of COVID that since it only has a mortality rate of 1% to 2%, it really isn't that big of a deal. Well, your own source says that only 1% to 2% of transgenders "detransition" so this too ought to be no big deal, right?

Unless, of course, you want to argue that being alive (after detransitioning) is worse than being dead (from COVID).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2800542]Uh sorry, After Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, and the fiascos with Covid, you dumb Dems do not get to say your sources are superior.[/QUOTE]Uh, sorry but all three references here are meaty lunatic cow pies.

Good thing Elvis ignores my posts, I wouldn't want to upset him.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2798078]” My own opinion is that a woman is a person that believes they are a woman.”
Believes they are a what? That is a circular definition.[/QUOTE]In what way is it circular? It's simply a form of self-certification. Let me give you an example to demonstrate how legitimate my position is. Let's say I am dive leader on a cruise boat. Passenger comes onboard and wants to do w his dive computer and dive gear and wants to do the first dive, which is a deep water wreck dive. Who is the best position to assess if the diver can make this dive? Of course, the passenger himself. He is going to sign a liability release to say he has the right skills, and off he goes. Maybe never to come back. Hehe. Would that be circular too?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2798078]
The fact that a man thinks he is a woman or vice versa defines him or her as insane. This insanity was called gender dysphoria and was recognised till a few years ago.
[/QUOTE]No, only a psychiatrist classifies someone as insane. I might think your insane based on your comments, but that's just a subjective opinion, and not grounded in scientific license. Gays were also once classed as insane, people who didn't belive in the bearded one in the sky too. Thank goodness for progress.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2798133]No, a definition is definitive. A woman is an adult female. Period. And a rose by any other name is still a rose.

Belief should have nothing to do with definitions, and the notion an adult female and adult male who thinks they are a woman are the same is insane. Trans men need a name, and they can pick whatever name they want to call themselves, but woman is off limits.

The problem with when you go fooling around with existing definitions of words is tyranny is so easily accomplished. When words and definitions are subjected to opinion, the value of law is quickly eroded, and tyranny is all but ensured.[/QUOTE]A linguistic prescriptivist! I had no idea you were French, Elvis.

"A woman is an adult female. ".
Well, that's one definition of the word, from a biological perspecive. BUt we both know words have multiple definitions. Look up "Male-Female Studded Rod end Joint" for a good example.

"adult male who thinks they are a woman are the same is insane".
Its far from insane if one's definition includes such people.

"Trans men need a name, and they can pick whatever name they want to call themselves, but woman is off limits. ".
Trans men call thmselves men, not women. So yes, I can see how you example would cause confusion.

"The problem with when you go fooling around with existing definitions of words is tyranny is so easily accomplished".
Its hard to keep up at times, I know. I remember when 'woke' simply meant being ethically aware of injustices, but I now learn it means a whole long list things that I never knew I was guity of.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2800130]Yeah, look at this nonsense called the Great Virality project.
[/QUOTE]Great post.

The one thing the authoritarian propagandists have got going for them is that the main stream media wer compliant in these lies and cover ups, so will continue to bury it as best they can. They are bought out just as much as the government is. Its just one big corruption mill.

Comeuppance time is finally here! And we're just getting started. [B]Bust his balls[/B]! His former attorney went to jail for the same stuff. And what goes around comes around. Next!

[URL]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/politics/live-news/trump-indictment-hush-money-stormy-daniels/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2800542]Uh sorry, After Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, and the fiascos with Covid, you dumb Dems do not get to say your sources are superior.

Here is an article with a link to the lawsuit, you pseudointellectual fool! It took me less than 60 seconds to find it: [URL]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-02/transgender-patients-chloe-cole-lawsuit-against-kaiser-lgbtq-rights[/URL].

And the point of your post was what exactly?[/QUOTE]Did you actually read this article? It is mostly an opinion piece that it is kind of beside my point that no one has heard the doctor's side because they have been bound by patient privacy laws.

As for my assertion that citing The Daily Mail does not prove anything, I stand by it because the proof of its shoddy journalism is self-evident in the article because there is no attempt to present the other side's position. And citing the other alleged failings of the media does not excuse the The Daily Mail of shoddy journalism. The failing of one side does not excuse the failing of the other side, so stop with the what-aboutism.

Finally, just knock it off with the insults. It makes you sound like a petulant child and nobody respects that.

More evidence that COVID vaccines cause excess deaths. This is really for Tiny, who appears at least open to reading / watching new evidence:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G1SWjL7gmQ[/URL]

Of course, this will get zero coverage by the corporat ecaptured mainstream media since they are sponsored by Big Pharma too.