East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2181520]Went back and got a different older provider. Again, very good HJ. These old providers may have been giving HJs for over 20 years now, so they really know what to do. This lady did something with my asshole with her finger and I came hard and suddenly, without warning. Probably the most I came in years. She didn't ask for a tip. So HJs are included in the 258 lingham relief massage.[/QUOTE]Complete waste of money this place. They leave the door open and insist you wear those massage panties. I even think the receptionist keeps checking every 15 minutes that nothing inappropriate happens (I could hear her steps). No handjob or whatsoever. Even the massage is only mediocre at best. And be prepared that your massage room with the door wide open is directly connected to the receptionist area.

I actually complained why there wasn't a handjob. The receptionist (who speaks English) apologized and explained they cannot do it because of the government. To be fair, she told me before the massage that they would have to leave the door open. I guess I should have left then. Didn't want to give a discount so. So I paid 288 RMB for 90 minutes mediocre oil massage.

Avoid this place!

I am new here was visiting Shanghai & was looking to have some Fun, I have been reading the forum for a week now lot of useful info to ponder upon. During my last visit in August 17 I was living at Nanjing Street, Howard Johnson Plaza & Enjoyed some Massages & HJ in Spa's on the street behind. 198 RMB + 100 for HJ That was my First Experience. I got smarter & managed to get a Foot Massage at 60 RMB + HJ for additional 50 RMB enjoyed excellent Oil massage 3rd Day at 198 + HJ + BJ for 150 extra.

Wondering what's the scene now? Looking for suggestions for FS ideally not at MPs. I have managed to get a few direct contacts of Girls from nightlife & spoken to them asking 1200 -1500 for 1 HR ST in my hotel room.

1. Is it safe to call them over to your current Hotel.

2. Can you guys share some more contacts for FS & Good Erotic massages with B2B & Shower + HJ?

I can share my contacts for Mumbai & Shanghai if anyone is interested but I haven't tried services in SH.

Thank you.

Late report.

Went to Judy's with Taz, the environment is not really my thing. Checked out with a Viet girl named Tina for 2 K LT. Very GFE, which was quite nice. That said, if anyone PM's me and wants to go to Judy's Manhattan's, I'd still be up for it.

Going to try some more QQ girls, as there are tons in XuJiaHui area. Prices are usually 400-600/ p, which doesn't seem bad.

I do agree with the consensus that Saunas prices are too high. They've reached the prices of Judy/Manhattan's for ST. They have a low entry price (say 898), but realistically, only a few girls are of that price, and the upsell to higher quality girls is there. If anyone knows a sauna with a fixed price, PM me. If SH prices continue their upward trajectory, then I wouldn't be surprised if we see an exodus similar to Koreans to AC.

IMO, girls charging >1500 ST seems questionable. You literally get better prices in the US (bay area) and better service.

[QUOTE=Fugazi99;2185039]Sorry, was a bit in ahurry yesterday, more detailed.

Can really recommend "ShangHai Nights" which is in the middle of all those bars. Have also been at "Cats" "New York" and "Old Manhattan" but this place was the one I felt treated the best. Also they have the most private backroom.

Just say Hello, to FEI, Stormy and Chun Chun from Mike from Germany. If you want to be save just tell them that you want be be warned once you reached 1000/2000/3000/4000 etc, that's what I always do.

Have fun, I will back there finally in August.[/QUOTE]Wait. What? Asked to be warned once you've reached 1000/2000/3000? If that's not a sign of a rip-off bar, then I don't know what is. Basically, what's been said is that a tab could run up without the patron having any knowledge of it.

[QUOTE=DexXie;2186902]Late report.

Went to Judy's with Taz, the environment is not really my thing. Checked out with a Viet girl named Tina for 2 K LT. Very GFE, which was quite nice. That said, if anyone PM's me and wants to go to Judy's Manhattan's, I'd still be up for it.

Going to try some more QQ girls, as there are tons in XuJiaHui area. Prices are usually 400-600/ p, which doesn't seem bad..[/QUOTE]P2P, mongering, whatever nomenclature you wish to use is no different than the rest of the Chinese economy; dumbbell shaped w / limited "value" in either of the major concentrations. High end of the market; rich local guys don't really pay for GFE, they pay for exclusivity. Hence, the utility they get from a CNY 6,000 shag or a CNY 666,6666 watch is the exclusivity as opposed to the enjoyment or durability of the purchase. Or more to the point, most those guys don't get enjoyment from GFE, they get enjoyment knowing they are having something most people can't afford. The low end of the market is much the same, poor guys paying for a quick turn. They aren't getting GFE either, they just want something that the middle class guy they aspire to be experiences every night. The service provider knows this and can afford to tell them to "hurry up and finish".

The expat / foreigner P2P existed for a longtime in a bubble outside the realities of the economy. It was leveraged by service providers who were agile and lucky enough to develop some basic language skills and mental jujitsu outside their ingrained skill-sets. Market forces both economic and regulatory have made providing P2P for the foreign community more valuable / scarce. Hence I'd advise everyone to stop throwing CNY 400-600 on pushy HJ experiences, and QQ girls who make their money on servicing mass amounts of the mass market.

Get use to paying 1,500 for ST at Manhattan and 2,000 from the independents online. Rain, Nightlifeonline, Massagerepub etc. But more to the point, treat the girls well who make you feel like they want to be there, try to limit the haggling, and things might not return to 2009 normal, but we'll make 2018 a lot more liveable.

Hello all,

New to this forum. Read through a dozen or so pages, everything in here has been super helpful so far. I'm a mid-twenties Asian American visiting Shanghai for roughly two weeks (have just about a week left of my trip). Used to mongering with escorts in DC / NYC, so brand new to the scene in Shanghai.

Touched down last Friday night, slept in and got the itch Saturday. I hadn't done much research prior to arrival, so I decided on going for an escort, albeit with less research than I usually do in the US. Found Wenli quickly on the other site, made contact through Wechat from the info on her website and arranged for an incall, which was in a somewhat hidden location a good walk from the Jing'an Metro stop. Clearly wears makeup, but her face still looks pretty good and body is great. I'm glad that she speaks English, because while I can get by with my Chinese, it obviously wasn't good enough to hold a decent conversation about anything with her. Anyways, got undressed, laid stomach-down on the bed, and she began with some light and sensual caresses with her tongue and fingers all along the back (not sure what that's called). Then told me to flip over and definitely gave one of the better BJs I've had. She introduced me to a cold vs. Hot BJ with some kind of warming / cooling liquid in her mouth. Pretty cool. During this time she did some light kissing, not as much tongue as with most escorts in the States that I'm used to. After a good bit, I couldn't take it any longer and asked for the cover, took her in mish and finished there after a couple of minutes. Gave me a brief massage and told me some jokes in English, which I thought was a nice touch to end the session. I learned then that her hourly rates go by pops (1 pop = 1 hour, 2 pops = 2 hours, etc.) which is new to me. Luckily I'm a one-pop kind of guy LOL. Ended up staying about 80 or so minutes for 1300 RMB. Great session, just what I needed after a long flight and fighting jetlag.

Haven't been able to do too much research since I've been dog-tired seeing the sights, visiting relatives, and adjusting to Chinese air. I know from earlier reports that the sauna scene has been cut down pretty hard in the past year. It's something I really want to do, especially since I can't do outcall or takeout from Manhattan's / Judy's (read somewhere about short stay hotels which could be an option). Found the WeChat info for a Yao Yao at Tang Palace (given 1400/1800/2100/2400) and a Jeff at a Spring or Lotus Spa (not too sure, given 1790/2098/2398). In my brief research couldn't find much info on these, prices seem pretty steep, guess I'll YOLO when I have some alone time Monday afternoon. May also try a MP too at some point if I find one and have time for it, though honestly I'm not sure how to tell if one will give me what I want / what to order on the menu / etc. My trip to SH has been great so far and is definitely going to get more adventurous.

[QUOTE=Heyid;2187089]Hello all,

New to this forum. Read through a dozen or so pages, everything in here has been super helpful so far. I'm a mid-twenties Asian American visiting Shanghai for roughly two weeks (have just about a week left of my trip). Used to mongering with escorts in DC / NYC, so brand new to the scene in Shanghai.

Touched down last Friday night, slept in and got the itch Saturday. I hadn't done much research prior to arrival, so I decided on going for an escort, albeit with less research than I usually do in the US. Found Wenli quickly on the other site, made contact through Wechat from the info on her website and arranged for an incall, which was in a somewhat hidden location a good walk from the Jing'an Metro stop. Clearly wears makeup, but her face still looks pretty good and body is great. I'm glad that she speaks English, because while I can get by with my Chinese, it obviously wasn't good enough to hold a decent conversation about anything with her. Anyways, got undressed, laid stomach-down on the bed, and she began with some light and sensual caresses with her tongue and fingers all along the back (not sure what that's called). Then told me to flip over and definitely gave one of the better BJs I've had. She introduced me to a cold vs. Hot BJ with some kind of warming / cooling liquid in her mouth. Pretty cool. During this time she did some light kissing, not as much tongue as with most escorts in the States that I'm used to. After a good bit, I couldn't take it any longer and asked for the cover, took her in mish and finished there after a couple of minutes. Gave me a brief massage and told me some jokes in English, which I thought was a nice touch to end the session. I learned then that her hourly rates go by pops (1 pop = 1 hour, 2 pops = 2 hours, etc.) which is new to me. Luckily I'm a one-pop kind of guy LOL. Ended up staying about 80 or so minutes for 1300 RMB. Great session, just what I needed after a long flight and fighting jetlag.

Haven't been able to do too much research since I've been dog-tired seeing the sights, visiting relatives, and adjusting to Chinese air. I know from earlier reports that the sauna scene has been cut down pretty hard in the past year. It's something I really want to do, especially since I can't do outcall or takeout from Manhattan's / Judy's (read somewhere about short stay hotels which could be an option). Found the WeChat info for a Yao Yao at Tang Palace (given 1400/1800/2100/2400) and a Jeff at a Spring or Lotus Spa (not too sure, given 1790/2098/2398). In my brief research couldn't find much info on these, prices seem pretty steep, guess I'll YOLO when I have some alone time Monday afternoon. May also try a MP too at some point if I find one and have time for it, though honestly I'm not sure how to tell if one will give me what I want / what to order on the menu / etc. My trip to SH has been great so far and is definitely going to get more adventurous.[/QUOTE]Hujing can book a short time hotel for you. It is 100 rmb for 4 hours. If you're not Chinese, you won't be allowed to book a short time hotel.

First post. Thanks to all who have posted before for your information and guidance. Very helpful.

Based on info from this site I visited Spring Xianxia Lu location. My first occasion went very similar to another report. Started with very good veggie oil massage on back, transitioned to little brother, ass, and balls teasing from behind. She then told me she would get nude. I asked if tip was needed and she said no so I said ok, and she stripped and showered. This is first time I've been in MP where girl stripped completely. The girl was cute, a bit heavier than Chinese beauty standard but fine for me. Plus her ass was great, which came into play next. So I turn over and she straddles me, oils my little brother, and then places him between her ass cheeks and goes for nice long strokes that really got me going. She then did some nice GFE body kissing, continued with HJ and I sucked her nipples. After finishing, showered, and paid 398 RMB at the desk (no tip). Overall was about 70 min including really nice massage and good he. The ass cheek move was memorable.

Second visit (one week later). My plan was to see the same girl and see if I might be able to get some extra play such as BJ / DATY. No expectations, but I was planning to ask. The same girl wasn't working yet, though, so I said I would take anyone available. This time was a significantly different experience. She seemed tired (and actually later during the session complained about being tired). She asked me to get on the table face up, so I thought maybe she prefers to do massage after. I asked and she said she could do my back but she really didn't seem enthusiastic about it so I thought maybe focus on the he and get more mileage. So she did half assed massage of my head and legs, then stepped and showered, and straddled me. Again the little brother in ass cheek move. Seems this might be the only standard? She wouldn't let me play with her tits which was frustrating given that they were hanging right there in front of me, but I never push if they say they don't want (she actually said the shop doesn't allow which is BS, but I got the point). I wasn't that into it as I was disappointed the service level was lower than the first girl. This girls ass was less "plump" so the ass move wasn't quite as enjoyable, but I finished anyway in that position all over her ass. Showered, paid at desk (again 398, no tip). This all took maybe 45 min, so less value for money.

I will probably go again at least once to try the first girl again and maybe one more girl just for comparison. Otherwise I like to try new places just because I don't know what to expect which increases the excitement level (and sometimes the frustration).

One more thing on a separate note. By far the best experience and value for your money for great GFE and enthusiastic sex in Shanghai is Maria from SNG (now no). She is a little older than the other independents in Shanghai, but she looks younger while putting all of her experiences to work to make you feel top of the world. If I didn't have my wife looking at my bank balance everyday, I would be spending all my money on her vs. MPs like Spring. If you see Maria, treat her well. She is absolutely amazing.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2187257]Hujing can book a short time hotel for you. It is 100 rmb for 4 hours. If you're not Chinese, you won't be allowed to book a short time hotel.[/QUOTE]Beverly (previously of SNG) can also book ST hotel (at least for a 2 hour session). Beverly provides wider range of services than most in SH, very enthusiastically. She seemed disappointed when I finished on her back instead of in her mouth.

[QUOTE=JginSH;2187007]P2P, mongering, whatever nomenclature you wish to use is no different than the rest of the Chinese economy; dumbbell shaped w / limited "value" in either of the major concentrations. High end of the market; rich local guys don't really pay for GFE, they pay for exclusivity. Hence, the utility they get from a CNY 6,000 shag or a CNY 666,6666 watch is the exclusivity as opposed to the enjoyment or durability of the purchase. Or more to the point, most those guys don't get enjoyment from GFE, they get enjoyment knowing they are having something most people can't afford. The low end of the market is much the same, poor guys paying for a quick turn. They aren't getting GFE either, they just want something that the middle class guy they aspire to be experiences every night. The service provider knows this and can afford to tell them to "hurry up and finish".

The expat / foreigner P2P existed for a longtime in a bubble outside the realities of the economy. It was leveraged by service providers who were agile and lucky enough to develop some basic language skills and mental jujitsu outside their ingrained skill-sets. Market forces both economic and regulatory have made providing P2P for the foreign community more valuable / scarce. Hence I'd advise everyone to stop throwing CNY 400-600 on pushy HJ experiences, and QQ girls who make their money on servicing mass amounts of the mass market.

Get use to paying 1,500 for ST at Manhattan and 2,000 from the independents online. Rain, Nightlifeonline, Massagerepub etc. But more to the point, treat the girls well who make you feel like they want to be there, try to limit the haggling, and things might not return to 2009 normal, but we'll make 2018 a lot more liveable.[/QUOTE]Please don't talk shit about QQ girls, as I doubt you've seen one. Just like in any other place in the world, some providers offer rushed and poor service. Others do not. As for what type of traffic they see, you're speculating out of your ass. Whenever I make an appointment for a QQ girl (500/600 p), I've never had to wait. Which implies that they are not servicing johns back to back. The reason you are paying 1500ST and going on English language sites is because you don't know Chinese and do not readily have access to the local talent pool. Thus you are paying a premium. Do not think for one second you are getting 'better' service or 'better looking' girls because you are paying "up the dumbbell curve" or some crap.

Which brings me to point #2. Why the fuck, if you are from the US, would you go to Shanghai to monger ST if you can get better value at home? I've been to Judy's and Manhattan. Assuming 1500ST (240 USD) price, the average girl there is about as good looking as an average Bay Area k-girl (220 USD). In my home market, you can get decent looking white girls starting around 250 USD / Hour. 300 USD and you can get good looking ones with good service. 400 USD and you can get the Russian models that tour with excellent service.

Steps on the soapbox.

Now lets talk about price increases. Do you honestly think prices will continue to rise 10-20% YoY? No, because at some point you hit economic impediments. Probably very hard for Chinese locals to swallow in general, but you cannot escape the economic gravity of job / wage growth. At some point, global firms will be wondering why they can't just do most of the hiring in their home countries (for tech firms, its a no brainer nowadays; my company is paying for me to grab knowledge from the Chinese SW Engineers to bring back to the US. Something that would've been ridiculed just 5 years ago). The real bad news will come when Chinese companies start figuring out how to hire in cheaper geos (without pissing off the central gov). Currently, China is still on a debt fueled growth binge. They tried taking the brakes off in 2 H 2015, but that proved disastrous in terms of economic KPI's, so they've been stepping on the gas since 2 H 2016. Currently at 300+% debt: GDP ratio and counting.

Steps off.

[QUOTE=Heyid;2187089]Hello all,

New to this forum. Read through a dozen or so pages, everything in here has been super helpful so far. I'm a mid-twenties Asian American visiting Shanghai for roughly two weeks (have just about a week left of my trip). Used to mongering with escorts in DC / NYC, so brand new to the scene in Shanghai.

Touched down last Friday night, slept in and got the itch Saturday. I hadn't done much research prior to arrival, so I decided on going for an escort, albeit with less research than I usually do in the US. Found Wenli quickly on the other site, made contact through Wechat from the info on her website and arranged for an incall, which was in a somewhat hidden location a good walk from the Jing'an Metro stop. Clearly wears makeup, but her face still looks pretty good and body is great. I'm glad that she speaks English, because while I can get by with my Chinese, it obviously wasn't good enough to hold a decent conversation about anything with her. Anyways, got undressed, laid stomach-down on the bed, and she began with some light and sensual caresses with her tongue and fingers all along the back (not sure what that's called). Then told me to flip over and definitely gave one of the better BJs I've had. She introduced me to a cold vs. Hot BJ with some kind of warming / cooling liquid in her mouth. Pretty cool. During this time she did some light kissing, not as much tongue as with most escorts in the States that I'm used to..[/QUOTE]FWIW Rain also offers incall with a large selection of girls.

Do report back if you give the Saunas a go!

Next time, use the exit on the other side of the hotel, towards the Family Mart. Opposite the cheap restaurant in the covered passageway. No problem, but bit pricey. They will also deliver to your room.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2185890]Decided to be adventurous to see if I could luckily stumble upon a hidden gem. Rode a bicycle around for a couple of hours and found myself on Ya'an road, near Longemont hotel. Behind the hotel there are 2 spa / massage places. Tried the one next to Naan Cat Coffee. Chose the 90 minute oil massage for 388. It was one of the most sensuous massages I've ever gotten. First on the chest. Then when I'm on my back there was lots of ass and groin massage. Then turned over again for entirely balls and shaft massage. I was in heaven. But then suddenly she said she was finished, with no release! I asked about extras, and HJ, and she said there's none of that at their place and said goodbye. This is not the first time this has happened to me. Wtf?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DexXie;2187301]Please don't talk shit about QQ girls, as I doubt you've seen one. Just like in any other place in the world, some providers offer rushed and poor service. Others do not. As for what type of traffic they see, you're speculating out of your ass. Whenever I make an appointment for a QQ girl (500/600 p), I've never had to wait. Which implies that they are not servicing johns back to back. The reason you are paying 1500ST and going on English language sites is because you don't know Chinese and do not readily have access to the local talent pool. Thus you are paying a premium. Do not think for one second you are getting 'better' service or 'better looking' girls because you are paying "up the dumbbell curve" or some crap.

Which brings me to point #2. Why the fuck, if you are from the US, would you go to Shanghai to monger ST if you can get better value at home? I've been to Judy's and Manhattan. Assuming 1500ST (240 USD) price, the average girl there is about as good looking as an average Bay Area k-girl (220 USD). In my home market, you can get decent looking white girls starting around 250 USD / Hour. 300 USD and you can get good looking ones with good service. 400 USD and you can get the Russian models that tour with excellent service.

Steps on the soapbox.

Now lets talk about price increases. Do you honestly think prices will continue to rise 10-20% YoY? No, because at some point you hit economic impediments. Probably very hard for Chinese locals to swallow in general, but you cannot escape the economic gravity of job / wage growth. At some point, global firms will be wondering why they can't just do most of the hiring in their home countries (for tech firms, its a no brainer nowadays; my company is paying for me to grab knowledge from the Chinese SW Engineers to bring back to the US. Something that would've been ridiculed just 5 years ago). The real bad news will come when Chinese companies start figuring out how to hire in cheaper geos (without pissing off the central gov). Currently, China is still on a debt fueled growth binge. They tried taking the brakes off in 2 H 2015, but that proved disastrous in terms of economic KPI's, so they've been stepping on the gas since 2 H 2016. Currently at 300+% debt: GDP ratio and counting.

Steps off.[/QUOTE]Makes sense to me that a hot girl in this market won't do 500.

If you've got game, you might shag a hot girl by dating, but if she turns to prostitution she will figure out how to get more. Foreign mongers are too few to distort the market. Right now, law enforcement and occasional crackdowns are distorting the market.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiWanda;2187481]Next time, use the exit on the other side of the hotel, towards the Family Mart. Opposite the cheap restaurant in the covered passageway. No problem, but bit pricey. They will also deliver to your room.[/QUOTE]Thanks SW. What extras are available?

As mentioned recently, girls that will book short time hotels for the session include Beverly, Hujing, Maria, and also Wenli. You can tell them where you are staying and they will find a short time hotel nearby. If you are nice to them during the first session then all of them will cut their price for subsequent sessions if you ask.

After the stormy weather, in the shop seems to go not further than BJ. Hotel delivery to the Longmont comes down to negotiations and chemistry I think.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2187641]Thanks SW. What extras are available?.[/QUOTE]