[QUOTE=DrPoon;2103210]What is going on the week of Nov 14th? Impossible to find a hotel in Dsseldorf![/QUOTE]There is a messe, I had to come the 17th November.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2103210]What is going on the week of Nov 14th? Impossible to find a hotel in Dsseldorf![/QUOTE]There is a messe, I had to come the 17th November.
[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2103140]Hello Jnpr30,
Unfortunately English is not my native language, but I try to answer you as well as possible. Basically, I agree with you. But mainly I referred to this part of the "BadinSweet" post:
To dismiss a WG or deny entry, on the grounds that she had refused BBBJ, whereupon there were complaints, I find rather difficult. Imagine what she could do. This is something like a police officer being fired because he is not corrupt. It is also no longer possible to complain as a customer at the reception, because of a girl refused to give BBBJ. I would not do that.
The law says BBBJ is banned and not CBJ is banned.
I do not want to question the decision-making power of management. But I would not fire a WG because it lives up to the law. Another reason should already be found, I agree with you. Above all, a manager has to take care of his operating permit in order to be able to receive customers at all. I think a lot of people here want to have fun in these clubs in the future as well. At least, this is how I am..[/QUOTE]2 NRW clubs just say to their girls they don't want complaints from clients, not more. Girls also want to get business to get money. Win win deal between clubs and girls, but girls can of course provide CBJ to who ask for. In these clubs, no upselling for BJ.
The NRW hotel prices start to get out of whack on Nov. 11. I postponed my trip due to the inflated pricing that week.
Medica: [URL]https://www.messe-duesseldorf.com/[/URL].
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2103264]The NRW hotel prices start to get out of whack on Nov. 11. I postponed my trip due to the inflated pricing that week.[/QUOTE]Move to Hessen.
The registration requirements are mandatory from January, but are voluntary before then. I have been told that girls who have registered have been visited at their place of residence by the authorities, checking on whether the girls are having to pay money over to pimps. That is the way it was put to me. Registration didn't seem to be any worry for the girls concerned.
[QUOTE=RogueNation;2103132]There is a club with a penalty for the girls if they do BBBJ. How to find out? I don't know. If a girl is caught repeatedly she'll be fired. That's what management is telling the girls making it harder to get BBBJ. At least for non regulars. Doesn't affect me.[/QUOTE]Is management telling girls to provide BBBJ to regulars but not to the non-regulars? Or is it the girls who are taking it upon themselves to flout management instructions when it comes to regulars but following the same instructions when they go with non-regulars? How is the girl getting caught repeatedly, or even caught occasionally?
PDP - your English is fine. As for the points you raise: ofc the manager doesnt need to provide the real reason for letting a girl go. Or may be he does but with no witnesses, in which case its his word against the girls.
It'd be interesting to see what other clubs do in response to the club BadIn referred to. They can copy the said clubs policy in an effort to retain their market share, or they can comply with the new law and risk losing some market share; or they can rat on the said club to the police if they think it will do them some good.
Optimist, as you stated, the registration is voluntary now. So, of course the girls you talked to do not worry or concerned about the consequence. The one that have not registered, some of them are afraid of the repercussion of when they get a normal job later on in life. I don't think it's really explained to them, or even us, how the data will be used, which countries and whom will have access to this data. My favorites told me that they are afraid, for example, when they get pulled over by a cop, custom, etc. With their family with them, and then the authority ask about what they do / did etc.
PumDiPum, I hear what you are saying and I wish it is the norm. For the record, I don't even care much about BBBJ so, this rule doesn't even affect me. I was just surprised to hear that this "big" club had such meeting with the girls. I guess when it is the bottom line profit they are dealing with they don't care about the girls.
DrPoon, you have no PM capability. But if you look at clubs I visit, you can probably guess it.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2103359]The registration requirements are mandatory from January, but are voluntary before then. I have been told that girls who have registered have been visited at their place of residence by the authorities, checking on whether the girls are having to pay money over to pimps. That is the way it was put to me. Registration didn't seem to be any worry for the girls concerned.[/QUOTE]It seems that in some lander it is already compulsory if you want to change club for example in Bayern or NRW.
BadinSweet. Yes, the girls who are really worried are likely to put it off, exactly for the reasons you say. My main interest was to hear that the authorities were doing home visits.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2103359]The registration requirements are mandatory from January, but are voluntary before then. I have been told that girls who have registered have been visited at their place of residence by the authorities, checking on whether the girls are having to pay money over to pimps. ...[/QUOTE]Bad news indeed. I take it the visitors themselves do not believe in the pimp charade. They might as well say they've come to check whether girls are not growing magic mushrooms under their kitchen sink. The purpose of those visits was most likely to ascertain that these addresses were not fictional, ie that girls really "lived" there, really paid a rent etc. Such checks are already in place in Germany regardless of prostitution. These rents the girls now have to pay will have to be compensated one way or another. Authorities also want to make sure the number of people registered at a given address is commensurate with that address's housing capacity. I doubt 10 girls registering as tenants of the same room would wash.
I told one of my regulars in Munich I wouldn't mind her registering at my downtown rented flat in Munich for free if it were not for the fact that when I left the country she would be entitled to stay there and if she defaulted on the rent I would have to pay as the rental agreement is on me. The girl said "anyway it wouldn't be good for you because they would say you're a pimp". I hadn't thought of that one but she must have been right. If I don't require the girl to pay me any rent she is a cohabitant, ie I'm her boyfriend/pimp. And if we are both adamant we sleep in separate beds and I'm no getting any money from her they infer I'm still getting paid in sex so I may be in for a charge of sexual abuse. If I have her pay a rent, I'm infringing the rental agreement (no "sub-renting"). These catch 22 situations surely restrict girls' options when it comes to find a cheap way of complying with registration. On the whole Germany is not a country where you can easily find workarounds for legal requirements unless the law has a gaping loophole.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2103396]Is management telling girls to provide BBBJ to regulars but not to the non-regulars? Or is it the girls who are taking it upon themselves to flout management instructions when it comes to regulars but following the same instructions when they go with non-regulars? How is the girl getting caught repeatedly, or even caught occasionally?[/QUOTE]The girls are taking the risk with a well known customer as they probably trust them more to keep quiet about the illegal practice. A non-regular might spread the news within the club by talking loudly to friends with other girls hearing it or telling girls that he got BBBJ from one girl so he wants from her also. That could lead to getting caught. I am with you, otherwise it will be difficult to be caught.
Hello people,
Just once again briefly for information to substantiate my thoughts. An excerpt from the law (google translation).
Law for the protection of persons working in prostitution (prostitution law. ProstSchG) 26 duties towards prostitutes; Restriction of instructions and specifications.
(2) The operator of a prostitution business as well as the persons acting for the operator may not give prostitutes any instructions within the meaning of 3 (1) of the Prostitution Act. Other requirements regarding the nature or extent of the provision of sexual services are also inadmissible.
Hope the link works:
[URL]https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/aktuell.html[/URL]
(who has time in the club can translate everything).
Of course, I do not want to turn the forum into a legal discussion forum. This is just tiring.
In addition, I think and hope that the club managers are already very well advised and know what they are doing and what they should not do.
Seeing the whole thing a bit relaxed will not hurt either. In this sense.
[QUOTE=XXL;2103528]Bad news indeed. I take it the visitors themselves do not believe in the pimp charade. They might as well say they've come to check whether girls are not growing magic mushrooms under their kitchen sink. The purpose of those visits was most likely to ascertain that these addresses were not fictional, ie that girls really "lived" there, really paid a rent etc. Such checks are already in place in Germany regardless of prostitution. These rents the girls now have to pay will have to be compensated one way or another. Authorities also want to make sure the number of people registered at a given address is commensurate with that address's housing capacity. I doubt 10 girls registering as tenants of the same room would wash.
I told one of my regulars in Munich I wouldn't mind her registering at my downtown rented flat in Munich for free if it were not for the fact that when I left the country she would be entitled to stay there and if she defaulted on the rent I would have to pay as the rental agreement is on me. The girl said "anyway it wouldn't be good for you because they would say you're a pimp". I hadn't thought of that one but she must have been right. If I don't require the girl to pay me any rent she is a cohabitant, ie I'm her boyfriend/pimp. And if we are both adamant we sleep in separate beds and I'm no getting any money from her they infer I'm still getting paid in sex so I may be in for a charge of sexual abuse. If I have her pay a rent, I'm infringing the rental agreement (no "sub-renting"). These catch 22 situations surely restrict girls' options when it comes to find a cheap way of complying with registration. On the whole Germany is not a country where you can easily find workarounds for legal requirements unless the law has a gaping loophole.[/QUOTE]Recommend all of us to be careful in the coming months, to provide a address to a girl could be at high risk like meeting girls from the club outside the clubs, over the years so many guys faced challenging issues. We have to wait the stabilization of the situation may be mid 2018 to see how the things are working. Very high pressure and stress on some girls because end of the year is coming fast and they have to decide if they will register or not.
[QUOTE=RogueNation;2103530]The girls are taking the risk with a well known customer as they probably trust them more to keep quiet about the illegal practice. A non-regular might spread the news within the club by talking loudly to friends with other girls hearing it or telling girls that he got BBBJ from one girl so he wants from her also. That could lead to getting caught. I am with you, otherwise it will be difficult to be caught.[/QUOTE]This is sheer speculation and nothing more. The law is unenforcible. The girls aren't subject to arrest or fine even if they "confess. " The men aren't going to be fined because they are going to be behind a closed door, and the complicit girl certainly won't want to report him. And even if she did at best that establishes a he-said-she-said situation.
The only way this law can make a difference is by stoking irrational fear. This BBBJ and BBFS ban will only work if people self-censor based on that irrational fear. Making posts like the above could perhaps make the law a self-fulfilling prophecy, although I doubt men's sexual urges and marketplace forces will allow even that.